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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:50 am

drerx7 wrote:
How far out are the schedules accurate right now?


Generally speaking, the next calendar month.
 
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Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:59 am

Heard a rumor that UA is looking into adding more frequencies and routes out of SLC. Has anyone else heard anything about potential additions as well?
 
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Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:32 am

drerx7 wrote:
How far out are the schedules accurate right now?


January 4th
 
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:54 am

Here is some interesting information about the week leading into Thanksgiving.

On Thursday, Friday and Saturday of this past week UA's total passenger count per day was between 197k and 198k passengers.
On this past Sunday over 201k passengers flew on UA.
On yesterday (Monday) and today (Tuesday) we there 191k passengers each day.
Finally on tomorrow (Wednesday) day before Thanksgiving UA only has 195k passengers on the books.

Coming home after Thanksgiving Sunday is the busiest day with another 204k passengers on the books, but other than that people seem to be taking their time to come back home.

What is surprising is at least for UA this past Sunday was our busiest travel day of this holiday and last week more people flew UA Thursday, Friday, and Saturday than we have booked for tomorrow the day before Thanksgiving.

All in all this 11 day period is the busiest UA has been since March.
 
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:26 am

PVG flights again include a stop in Seoul, South Korea for a crew change.
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:13 am

Another forum states 320 N419UA is to be leased to FlyBosnia. Been stored in TUS since 10/6.
https://simpleflying.com/flybosnia-united-a320-lease/
 
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Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:07 am

Looking to raise more cash.

Issued prospectus on sale of ~25mil new shares. Hopes to raise approx $1bil.
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Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:14 pm

LAXintl wrote:
PVG flights again include a stop in Seoul, South Korea for a crew change.


What went wrong. Something with the crew?
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Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:48 pm

UPlog wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
PVG flights again include a stop in Seoul, South Korea for a crew change.


What went wrong. Something with the crew?

More than likely crew were having problems with the regulatory processes when arriving in PVG i.e. testing, quarantining, following hotel guidelines during layover. During times like this its easy to complain about something to the union and have change reversed back to old ways, like in this case.
 
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Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:29 pm

UPlog wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
PVG flights again include a stop in Seoul, South Korea for a crew change.


What went wrong. Something with the crew?


Yes. All airlines are being lodged at an airport hotel that has been designated by the government of China. UA ALPA inspected the hotel and rejected it as suitable.....but it was essentially the only 'choice'. ALPA has been documenting issues with the hotel for the past several weeks, and things finally came to a head last week. The decision was made to pull all aircrew out of PVG, and resume the one-stop version. Previous trips were stopping in ICN, and I think they are going back to that.

International destinations normally have a Customs line dedicated to aircrew. PVG did not, and it was taking crews up to two hours to clear Customs and Immigration. Then into a van driven by someone in a bio-hazard suit over to the hotel, to sit in line and wait on the van for rooms to open up. One of our crews arrived over at the hotel, and they were the sixth van in line. CA went up to the first van in line (a KLM crew) and they reported they had been sitting in the van for six hours waiting for their rooms. By the time the UA crew got their rooms, they experienced a five hour wait on the van, in the hotel parking lot. Once assigned a room, crews are escorted in a back door, up an elevator, and to their rooms. Not provided any room key, instructed to remain inside their hotel room the entire layover, and meals delivered to a tray outside the room door at a preset time, three times/day by someone in a bio hazard suit.

ALPA and the company finally agreed the situation was unacceptable and untenable, and decided to pull everyone out. Apparently being worked at multiple levels (State Department, etc.), but until a more reasonable solution is available, the one-stop option will be the avenue into PVG.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:43 am

United's gotten approval from the FAA to carry well-above-normal amounts of dry ice in airplanes and today started flying dedicated vaccine flights from pharmaceutical factories to distribution points in the U.S. to have Pfizer's COVID vaccine ready to go when the FDA gives the green light.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/united-beg ... 1606512293

It looks like UA 2793, UA 2821, and UA 2782 were all extra sections today out of BRU for ORD that I would guess were vaccine flights.
 
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Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:17 am

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United's gotten approval from the FAA to carry well-above-normal amounts of dry ice in airplanes and today started flying dedicated vaccine flights from pharmaceutical factories to distribution points in the U.S. to have Pfizer's COVID vaccine ready to go when the FDA gives the green light.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/united-beg ... 1606512293

It looks like UA 2793, UA 2821, and UA 2782 were all extra sections today out of BRU for ORD that I would guess were vaccine flights.

Belgium will be the vaccine hub for the EU and Africa, so I would expect to see a huge increase in vaccine flights to BRU.

https://www.scmp.com/video/coronavirus/ ... europe-and
 
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Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:19 pm

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United's gotten approval from the FAA to carry well-above-normal amounts of dry ice in airplanes and today started flying dedicated vaccine flights from pharmaceutical factories to distribution points in the U.S. to have Pfizer's COVID vaccine ready to go when the FDA gives the green light.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/united-beg ... 1606512293

It looks like UA 2793, UA 2821, and UA 2782 were all extra sections today out of BRU for ORD that I would guess were vaccine flights.


I can not delve too deep into this subject because of Sensitive Security Information. All I am at liberty to say is there are restrictions on when and how United can exceed dry ice limitations. This is not a free for all (meaning fleet wide we can not load up an aircraft with dry ice then launch it) no that is not how this will work. There are strict guidelines and limitations in place on when United can exceed and how United can exceed those limitations that we must adhere to. I can't go into further details about the limitations or the movement of specific vaccines on certain flights just know this the safety of our passengers and crew is Uniteds highest priority and will NOT be compromised at all to move a vaccine.

United has been working with the FAA, Aircraft manufactures, IATA, FDA, DOT, Drug manufactures, United TechOps, United Cargo, United Flight Ops, Airport Operations and other divisions within the company, since early June to first get this to get a program in place, then submit everything for government approval. It is good to know once the FDA has approved one or more of these vaccines United has the equipment and people in place to safely ship these vaccines, we are ready to go.
 
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Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:36 pm

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FAA waiver allows up to 15,000lbs dry ice on 777 flights between BRU and ORD with dry ice packed in termperature controlled boxes ( https://www.softboxsystems.com/parcel-shippers/ )

There are some crew procedures including the requirement that APU and packs be operational for dispatch and the packs run to maintain CO2 levels. Crews also must observe that they don't begin to exhibits any symptoms associated with CO2 over exposure.


I guess people simply choose to not pay attention to Sensitive Security Information. You might want to reconsider posting specific information on the movement of the vaccine including type of equipment. United Corporate Security is all over this including providing security to make sure no shipment or part of a shipment goes missing from the moment United takes possession of a shipment until the moment we deliver the shipment.
I have no problem posting some insider information as long as it isn't Sensitive Security Information. But posting specific information about the movement of the vaccine/s on United Airlines, about the waivers, type of equipment to be used, dates when these shipments will take place simply because you have access to the information could get you into major trouble if you are a UA employee. I would advise you end this here people do not need to know anymore information on how United is moving these vaccines except to know it is being done safely and securely.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:59 pm

:sarcastic: :sarcastic:

Nothing too secret about these flights when WSJ and others write articles about them, their flight status can be viewed on united.com, the cargo website and the Brussels airport site.

Add for those with a bit of aviation insight, the info is available on flight tracking sites, plus as the other random info posted on the internet (like right here on A.net), Twitter , facebook, etc.

Heck, I bet airlines themselves start posting stuff themselves about transporting the vaccines to make use of the PR.
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Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:15 pm

jayunited wrote:
UPlog wrote:
FAA waiver allows up to 15,000lbs dry ice on 777 flights between BRU and ORD with dry ice packed in termperature controlled boxes ( https://www.softboxsystems.com/parcel-shippers/ )

There are some crew procedures including the requirement that APU and packs be operational for dispatch and the packs run to maintain CO2 levels. Crews also must observe that they don't begin to exhibits any symptoms associated with CO2 over exposure.


I guess people simply choose to not pay attention to Sensitive Security Information. You might want to reconsider posting specific information on the movement of the vaccine including type of equipment. United Corporate Security is all over this including providing security to make sure no shipment or part of a shipment goes missing from the moment United takes possession of a shipment until the moment we deliver the shipment.
I have no problem posting some insider information as long as it isn't Sensitive Security Information. But posting specific information about the movement of the vaccine/s on United Airlines, about the waivers, type of equipment to be used, dates when these shipments will take place simply because you have access to the information could get you into major trouble if you are a UA employee. I would advise you end this here people do not need to know anymore information on how United is moving these vaccines except to know it is being done safely and securely.


Someone better tell United Corporate Security to scrub the flights (operated by 777-224 N78009, oops, too specific?) off FA then. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /EBBR/KORD
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:15 am

Off-topic but has UA opened bookings for their planned IAD-LOS flight?
 
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Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:26 am

Agreed, LAXintl and Spacepope – all of this is in the linked Wall Street Journal article.
 
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Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:10 pm

Anyone know why the January schedule wasn’t put out last night?
 
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Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:33 am

Good question. Seems like it tends to show up on the last day of the month or even a couple of days into the next month. If I were CSR (customer service rep), the last thing I would want would be a schedule drop on the Saturday night of a holiday weekend.

Family get togethers at Thanksgiving can also trigger vacation planning. Will be interesting to see what falls out.
 
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Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:59 am

It was a short holiday week for WHQ, pretty typical for network planning and other departments to not work on Friday after thanksgiving. Corporate America slows down a lot between Thanksgiving and New Year's Day.
 
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Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:41 am

I’m back to the NB narrow body First Class seat.

1: it has been discussed for ages now that UA is hard at work at the seat design and layout for a NB First lie flat. Whatever is unveiled must be somewhat better than Mint or the same style Diamond seat AA uses, the same seat that UA is ripping out fleet wide (at least until Covid-19 struck) - is the expectation that it will not be a modified off-the-shelf design? Resemble the details of Polaris (especially for the sake of the A321XLR flying across the pond?)

2: As for floor space, the countless RT’s to the west coast, I have yet to see the F cabin have one empty seat (same thing on 4 trips this summer). Perhaps they were mostly all upgrades? But before Covid-19 and even before the minor spruce up of the F cabin on the 757, getting a last minute (within a week of travel) it was impossible to get you and a partner seats together, or get a seat period! And at a time when most of F seats were likely sold.
(Why I LOVE the 787-10 to LA and sometimes SFO and I will pay for that!)

3: Pre Covid UA was ALL about the premium loyalists. (Hence the 76L, etc) Even the whole newly refurbished used A319’s felt premium all the way through.
Will this upper segment of the market still be their target 4 years from now? Be the airline of choice for premium passengers? (But without a true Global First, which for me is fine given Polaris)

Given that, how much less nose to tail floor space is there on the MAX10 vs 752? How many less E+ and E would their be given the MAX10 is shorter?

IMHO: a flat bed F between hubs and some quick turns (even on 3.5 hour flights) IMHO: whether you lay flat or not, it’s a huge step up for F over a recliner. Ex: flying EWR to Denver or Las Vegas, a lie flat F would be amazing!

Last: someone mentioned above that seeing a route operated by a 739 is often a place holder? Why would that be and what would it likely be swapped for?

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Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:47 am

Vaccine info

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/nation ... utType=amp

Says United has permission to carry 15,000 of CO2, five times the normal limit.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... cases.html

Says United started flying charter flights on Thursday from Brussels to O’Hare which is convenient to Pfizer facilities.
 
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Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:17 pm

VC10er wrote:
I’m back to the NB narrow body First Class seat.

1: it has been discussed for ages now that UA is hard at work at the seat design and layout for a NB First lie flat. Whatever is unveiled must be somewhat better than Mint or the same style Diamond seat AA uses, the same seat that UA is ripping out fleet wide (at least until Covid-19 struck) - is the expectation that it will not be a modified off-the-shelf design? Resemble the details of Polaris (especially for the sake of the A321XLR flying across the pond?)

2: As for floor space, the countless RT’s to the west coast, I have yet to see the F cabin have one empty seat (same thing on 4 trips this summer). Perhaps they were mostly all upgrades? But before Covid-19 and even before the minor spruce up of the F cabin on the 757, getting a last minute (within a week of travel) it was impossible to get you and a partner seats together, or get a seat period! And at a time when most of F seats were likely sold.
(Why I LOVE the 787-10 to LA and sometimes SFO and I will pay for that!)

3: Pre Covid UA was ALL about the premium loyalists. (Hence the 76L, etc) Even the whole newly refurbished used A319’s felt premium all the way through.
Will this upper segment of the market still be their target 4 years from now? Be the airline of choice for premium passengers? (But without a true Global First, which for me is fine given Polaris)

Given that, how much less nose to tail floor space is there on the MAX10 vs 752? How many less E+ and E would their be given the MAX10 is shorter?

IMHO: a flat bed F between hubs and some quick turns (even on 3.5 hour flights) IMHO: whether you lay flat or not, it’s a huge step up for F over a recliner. Ex: flying EWR to Denver or Las Vegas, a lie flat F would be amazing!

Last: someone mentioned above that seeing a route operated by a 739 is often a place holder? Why would that be and what would it likely be swapped for?

Thanks

Its something I noticed over the years and someone on here stated its often a placeholder aircraft on schedules that are not finalized. My assumption is because its the most numerous in the fleet.
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Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:45 pm

Denver and Houston will be the first 737 Max bases starting in Q1 2021.
 
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Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:14 pm

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It was a short holiday week for WHQ, pretty typical for network planning and other departments to not work on Friday after thanksgiving. Corporate America slows down a lot between Thanksgiving and New Year's Day.

AA, AS, B6, and DL had all extended their interim schedules to February (March for DL) before the Thanksgiving week, so I think that poster was wondering why UA didn't follow the same lead.
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Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:45 am

Transporting vaccine can't be too secret as a news reporter posted the United bulletin about it three days ago

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https://twitter.com/BrianSumers/status/ ... 4363788288
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UAX Update:

E175:
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CR2:
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Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:24 pm

The most qiuet I’ve seen this thread in a long time.

Guessing January schedule update is imminent?
 
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Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:34 pm

sldispatcher wrote:
The most qiuet I’ve seen this thread in a long time.

Guessing January schedule update is imminent?


Everyone’s out except for UA. I guess they are holding out hope.
 
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Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:25 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
sldispatcher wrote:
The most qiuet I’ve seen this thread in a long time.

Guessing January schedule update is imminent?


Everyone’s out except for UA. I guess they are holding out hope.

It's been tough trying to figure out what the airlines are doing lately. They've generally been pushing out bigger schedules than they end up actually flying, but I have to assume they're going to start running into a lot of complicated variables (i.e. increased positive tests from crews, cancelations due to surging caseloads, increased travel restrictions, etc.) in the coming weeks and months that are likely to cause disruptions. Obviously DL blew it last week, but I don't think they'll be the last ones to have a scheduling meltdown.
 
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Someone better tell United Corporate Security to scrub the flights (operated by 777-224 N78009, oops, too specific?) off FA then. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /EBBR/KORD


You can joke around all you want it won't be a joke when someone posts future flight schedules, truck schedules, vaccine locations and/or other seemingly innocent security sensitive information surrounding the movement and distribution of these vaccines. I would hate to see people loose their jobs but don't take my word for it below are links to public articles showing how serious this situations is and how serious all companies involved in the shipping and distribution of this vaccine are. United's Corporate security has now gone so far as to hire security firms to provide security for these shipments while they are in our possession. People posting internal pilot bulletins and other internal messaging on this topic are on a slippery slope. I'm telling you corporate security is all over this be careful what internal information you post on social media because it could provide critical information to those who would seek to disrupt the supply chain or steal a shipment and you don't even know it.

I'm just trying to give people a warning because I would hate to see a person loose their job over a social media post that looks harmless but unknowingly provides critical information.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-v ... 1603278002
https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/CO ... et/589223/
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-p ... promise-20
 
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Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:24 am

jayunited wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Someone better tell United Corporate Security to scrub the flights (operated by 777-224 N78009, oops, too specific?) off FA then. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /EBBR/KORD


You can joke around all you want it won't be a joke when someone posts future flight schedules, truck schedules, vaccine locations and/or other seemingly innocent security sensitive information surrounding the movement and distribution of these vaccines. I would hate to see people loose their jobs but don't take my word for it below are links to public articles showing how serious this situations is and how serious all companies involved in the shipping and distribution of this vaccine are. United's Corporate security has now gone so far as to hire security firms to provide security for these shipments while they are in our possession. People posting internal pilot bulletins and other internal messaging on this topic are on a slippery slope. I'm telling you corporate security is all over this be careful what internal information you post on social media because it could provide critical information to those who would seek to disrupt the supply chain or steal a shipment and you don't even know it.

I'm just trying to give people a warning because I would hate to see a person loose their job over a social media post that looks harmless but unknowingly provides critical information.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-v ... 1603278002
https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/CO ... et/589223/
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-p ... promise-20


If UA really reads this website I got a few suggestions for them I would be more than happy to share!
 
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Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:16 am

I’m just a bit uncomfortable with any of them selling flights on a schedule they know they aren’t going to fly.
I get all the reasons before someone flames me.
It just has a bit of a feeling of bait and switch.

I have Jan/Feb/Mar travel booked and already guess which ones will hold and which ones won’t
 
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Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:24 am

How many more CRJ 550s to come along?
 
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Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:29 am

sldispatcher wrote:
I’m just a bit uncomfortable with any of them selling flights on a schedule they know they aren’t going to fly.
I get all the reasons before someone flames me.
It just has a bit of a feeling of bait and switch.

I have Jan/Feb/Mar travel booked and already guess which ones will hold and which ones won’t


I know it sucks, but with unpredictable demand the airlines all have to cast a pretty wide net, and then focus on the areas that have the best potential to make money. If you've ever watched Deadliest Catch, it's a similar process to captains launching prospect pots just to see what areas have crab.

The airlines certainly are getting no joy out of the process, but it is a fight for survival. No one knows where the demand is or will be until a couple of weeks before departure time - if they are lucky.
 
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Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:26 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
jayunited wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Someone better tell United Corporate Security to scrub the flights (operated by 777-224 N78009, oops, too specific?) off FA then. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /EBBR/KORD


You can joke around all you want it won't be a joke when someone posts future flight schedules, truck schedules, vaccine locations and/or other seemingly innocent security sensitive information surrounding the movement and distribution of these vaccines. I would hate to see people loose their jobs but don't take my word for it below are links to public articles showing how serious this situations is and how serious all companies involved in the shipping and distribution of this vaccine are. United's Corporate security has now gone so far as to hire security firms to provide security for these shipments while they are in our possession. People posting internal pilot bulletins and other internal messaging on this topic are on a slippery slope. I'm telling you corporate security is all over this be careful what internal information you post on social media because it could provide critical information to those who would seek to disrupt the supply chain or steal a shipment and you don't even know it.

I'm just trying to give people a warning because I would hate to see a person loose their job over a social media post that looks harmless but unknowingly provides critical information.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-v ... 1603278002
https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/CO ... et/589223/
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-p ... promise-20


If UA really reads this website I got a few suggestions for them I would be more than happy to share!


I am not sure why everyone is digging at jayunited for simply urging caution about posting security sensitive information that only internal personnel would be privy to. I do not interpret jay's post be a finger wagging exercise...
While I am sure the likes of Scott Kirby are not digging through A.Net Forum threads, rest assured employees within their corporate security division are. That's what they are paid to do. Search the internet for specific information pertaining to their company... Thing is, its not hard to do... I have Google searched aviation topics and have been directed to A.Net in the first 2-3 hits. Beyond that, it's not like no airline employee has ever destroyed their career over a social media post before... But, as the saying goes... you can lead a horse to water...

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Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:19 am

gdavis003 wrote:
redrooster3 wrote:
UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:

CR2:
N450AW returned to flying with Air Wisconsin
N471CA exited ROW in EvoBlu livery

CR5:
N540GJ returned to flying with GoJet

CR7:
N516LR ferried TUS

E175:
N86316 now in 70-seat Version 3 config
N85351 now in 70-seat Version 3 config



The 70 seat conversion is a simple 6 seat removal, 1 row from the back left side. And 2 rows on the right, I wish they'd use that now empty space for more legroom for the passengers but I guess for now, this is just a quick hot fix.


I might have missed it but what is the reason for removing those 6 seats?

to comply with the ALPA contract.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:11 am

Hello Everyone,
I hope you’re all well.

I seem to have lost the plot on one topic: Polaris refurbishments. Since the pandemic struck, I am sure that I read UA stopped all refurbishments to 772’s and 789’s. However I heard that refurbishments have restarted. I’m unsure I believe that given the cost. But, on one hand many of these aircraft are sitting idle and it might be better long term to refit now versus taking aircraft out of service, and a potentially faster way to complete all the WB’s scheduled for refurbishment?

Does anyone know for sure one way or another?

Last question is: are all the 787-10’s been delivered?

Thanks,
R
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:46 am

77H wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
jayunited wrote:

You can joke around all you want it won't be a joke when someone posts future flight schedules, truck schedules, vaccine locations and/or other seemingly innocent security sensitive information surrounding the movement and distribution of these vaccines. I would hate to see people loose their jobs but don't take my word for it below are links to public articles showing how serious this situations is and how serious all companies involved in the shipping and distribution of this vaccine are. United's Corporate security has now gone so far as to hire security firms to provide security for these shipments while they are in our possession. People posting internal pilot bulletins and other internal messaging on this topic are on a slippery slope. I'm telling you corporate security is all over this be careful what internal information you post on social media because it could provide critical information to those who would seek to disrupt the supply chain or steal a shipment and you don't even know it.

I'm just trying to give people a warning because I would hate to see a person loose their job over a social media post that looks harmless but unknowingly provides critical information.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-v ... 1603278002
https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/CO ... et/589223/
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-p ... promise-20


If UA really reads this website I got a few suggestions for them I would be more than happy to share!


I am not sure why everyone is digging at jayunited for simply urging caution about posting security sensitive information that only internal personnel would be privy to. I do not interpret jay's post be a finger wagging exercise...
While I am sure the likes of Scott Kirby are not digging through A.Net Forum threads, rest assured employees within their corporate security division are. That's what they are paid to do. Search the internet for specific information pertaining to their company... Thing is, its not hard to do... I have Google searched aviation topics and have been directed to A.Net in the first 2-3 hits. Beyond that, it's not like no airline employee has ever destroyed their career over a social media post before... But, as the saying goes... you can lead a horse to water...

77H

To add to this: there is nothing wrong with posting information that is publicly available, but information that is internal and relates to security sensitive information is not permitted. We have a specific rule relating to this, and it's something we take seriously. If it's available on a public source, then by all means feel free to discuss, but if it isn't, please exercise appropriate discretion. Just keep in mind that not everyone who reads these forums does so with good intentions.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:19 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
jayunited wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Someone better tell United Corporate Security to scrub the flights (operated by 777-224 N78009, oops, too specific?) off FA then. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /EBBR/KORD


You can joke around all you want it won't be a joke when someone posts future flight schedules, truck schedules, vaccine locations and/or other seemingly innocent security sensitive information surrounding the movement and distribution of these vaccines. I would hate to see people loose their jobs but don't take my word for it below are links to public articles showing how serious this situations is and how serious all companies involved in the shipping and distribution of this vaccine are. United's Corporate security has now gone so far as to hire security firms to provide security for these shipments while they are in our possession. People posting internal pilot bulletins and other internal messaging on this topic are on a slippery slope. I'm telling you corporate security is all over this be careful what internal information you post on social media because it could provide critical information to those who would seek to disrupt the supply chain or steal a shipment and you don't even know it.

I'm just trying to give people a warning because I would hate to see a person loose their job over a social media post that looks harmless but unknowingly provides critical information.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-v ... 1603278002
https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/CO ... et/589223/
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-p ... promise-20


If UA really reads this website I got a few suggestions for them I would be more than happy to share!

I know from speaking to people in CO marketing, that they followed some of these threads. I can't imagine that someone at Willis Tower doesn't keep an eye on things. Companies pay a lot of money for focus groups and surveys of customers and the public. We may not be completely unbiased on this site, but our opinions are free, so it would be a waste not to look from time to time.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:29 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
jayunited wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Someone better tell United Corporate Security to scrub the flights (operated by 777-224 N78009, oops, too specific?) off FA then. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /EBBR/KORD


You can joke around all you want it won't be a joke when someone posts future flight schedules, truck schedules, vaccine locations and/or other seemingly innocent security sensitive information surrounding the movement and distribution of these vaccines. I would hate to see people loose their jobs but don't take my word for it below are links to public articles showing how serious this situations is and how serious all companies involved in the shipping and distribution of this vaccine are. United's Corporate security has now gone so far as to hire security firms to provide security for these shipments while they are in our possession. People posting internal pilot bulletins and other internal messaging on this topic are on a slippery slope. I'm telling you corporate security is all over this be careful what internal information you post on social media because it could provide critical information to those who would seek to disrupt the supply chain or steal a shipment and you don't even know it.

I'm just trying to give people a warning because I would hate to see a person loose their job over a social media post that looks harmless but unknowingly provides critical information.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-v ... 1603278002
https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/CO ... et/589223/
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-p ... promise-20


If UA really reads this website I got a few suggestions for them I would be more than happy to share!

They read the website...unfortunately I know from first hand experience. 20 years ago I did an internship in my collegiate days and posted something here on a.net that was skating on revealing some privileged upcoming route announcement...my boss pulled me in her office within 15 minutes to politely remind me of the policies.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:36 pm

jayunited is right on and I agree, corporate security IS LOOKING at social media and people have been fired, are being fired and more will be fired!

jetmatt777 you analogy using the Greatest Catch is actually right on and the best I've seen publicly!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:03 pm

sldispatcher wrote:
I’m just a bit uncomfortable with any of them selling flights on a schedule they know they aren’t going to fly.
I get all the reasons before someone flames me.
It just has a bit of a feeling of bait and switch.

I have Jan/Feb/Mar travel booked and already guess which ones will hold and which ones won’t


I know, I think it is crazy and making customers mad. For example, around Thanksgiving I was watching and many OMA-EWR and OMA-SFO flights were way over 50% full before they were canned. I think they are really making customers mad and since 95% of people flying are not elites, they are not doing themselves a service to pick up future customers. Schedules need to be pushed out 60 days in advance very min, not 30 days.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:09 pm

joeljack wrote:
sldispatcher wrote:
I’m just a bit uncomfortable with any of them selling flights on a schedule they know they aren’t going to fly.
I get all the reasons before someone flames me.
It just has a bit of a feeling of bait and switch.

I have Jan/Feb/Mar travel booked and already guess which ones will hold and which ones won’t


I know, I think it is crazy and making customers mad. For example, around Thanksgiving I was watching and many OMA-EWR and OMA-SFO flights were way over 50% full before they were canned. I think they are really making customers mad and since 95% of people flying are not elites, they are not doing themselves a service to pick up future customers. Schedules need to be pushed out 60 days in advance very min, not 30 days.


We are now 3 weeks behind delta and the only carrier not to update the schedule. It didn’t really make sense. Not to mention, Delta already has their February schedule out.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:29 pm

joeljack wrote:
sldispatcher wrote:
I’m just a bit uncomfortable with any of them selling flights on a schedule they know they aren’t going to fly.
I get all the reasons before someone flames me.
It just has a bit of a feeling of bait and switch.

I have Jan/Feb/Mar travel booked and already guess which ones will hold and which ones won’t


I know, I think it is crazy and making customers mad. For example, around Thanksgiving I was watching and many OMA-EWR and OMA-SFO flights were way over 50% full before they were canned. I think they are really making customers mad and since 95% of people flying are not elites, they are not doing themselves a service to pick up future customers. Schedules need to be pushed out 60 days in advance very min, not 30 days.

United STILL hasn't updated their January interim schedule yet, when AA, AS, DL, and B6 all did so 2-3 weeks ago. What's taking so long at UA?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:45 pm

AC4500 wrote:
joeljack wrote:
sldispatcher wrote:
I’m just a bit uncomfortable with any of them selling flights on a schedule they know they aren’t going to fly.
I get all the reasons before someone flames me.
It just has a bit of a feeling of bait and switch.

I have Jan/Feb/Mar travel booked and already guess which ones will hold and which ones won’t


I know, I think it is crazy and making customers mad. For example, around Thanksgiving I was watching and many OMA-EWR and OMA-SFO flights were way over 50% full before they were canned. I think they are really making customers mad and since 95% of people flying are not elites, they are not doing themselves a service to pick up future customers. Schedules need to be pushed out 60 days in advance very min, not 30 days.

United STILL hasn't updated their January interim schedule yet, when AA, AS, DL, and B6 all did so 2-3 weeks ago. What's taking so long at UA?


Even F9 did so too 3 weeks ago. NK even did theirs!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:19 pm

If you think Kirby doesn't read these threads you are sorely mistaken. He might not log on every day and view every post, but he is probably the biggest airline enthusiast that happens to be a CEO.

I've met several execs over the years at United/Continental and through casual conversation more than you'd think are huge aviation buffs. They might not act like it as a professional suit-and-tie their main priority is running the company without emotion, but they definitely all have had some enthusiasm for aviation. There are other companies that pay more and are more stable for executives than airlines, most are in the airlines because they enjoy it. And most probably occasionally read these forums.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:34 pm

UA is probably taking the approach of putting out 1 schedule change and trying to stick to it. There probably isn’t a whole of forward bookings after the holidays anyways, and that has probably even slowed down even more with cases surging and states locking down. I’ve seen a ton of of complaints, even on here, of airlines changing an itinerary so many times...so every airline has their own strategy.

This next schedule update will go farther into February than most of the past months, which typically just went until around the end of the month.

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