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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:15 pm
by codc10
calpsafltskeds wrote:
The below story shows that UA and NZ have traded LHR slots with
UA dropping 11pm arvl, adding 1050am arrival
UA dropping 11:05pm dept, adding 320pm departure.
These would seem to be superior times, but does it mean the AM eastbound from IAD or EWR would be cancelled?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indust ... p=12364828


Those slot times don't match any existing UA service... I believe UA has some legacy slots from the Pan Am deal that have been leased/traded to other carriers over the years. I wonder if this could be one of those slot pairs? The times are illogical for (resumed) NZ-metal service without a 24:05 RON, though... very interesting. A 3:20pm departure slot fills a midday gap in the LHR-EWR schedule, or could potentially result in a retimed UA SFO-LHR-SFO service to better connect with UA/NZ SFO-AKL-SFO.

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:14 pm
by UAL777UK
jayunited wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
The below story shows that UA and NZ have traded LHR slots with
UA dropping 11pm arvl, adding 1050am arrival
UA dropping 11:05pm dept, adding 320pm departure.
These would seem to be superior times, but does it mean the AM eastbound from IAD or EWR would be cancelled?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indust ... p=12364828


Pre-COVID I thought UA latest departure left LHR around 8:30PM heading to EWR? I also thought our AM departures from the US arrived at LHR around 9PM? I could be wrong but I don't remember an 11:05pm departure out of LHR or an 11pm arrival on UA.


In all my years in flying UA in and out of LHR (since 1995) I have never seen a 11.05pm departure, that has to be an error.

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:14 pm
by adamblang
I know we hashed this out a year or so ago but I can't find it –

Does the NZ/UA JV cover only NZ<->US service or does it extend to transportation continuing on to Europe?

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:17 pm
by onwFan
codc10 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
The below story shows that UA and NZ have traded LHR slots with
UA dropping 11pm arvl, adding 1050am arrival
UA dropping 11:05pm dept, adding 320pm departure.
These would seem to be superior times, but does it mean the AM eastbound from IAD or EWR would be cancelled?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indust ... p=12364828


Those slot times don't match any existing UA service... I believe UA has some legacy slots from the Pan Am deal that have been leased/traded to other carriers over the years. I wonder if this could be one of those slot pairs? The times are illogical for (resumed) NZ-metal service without a 24:05 RON, though... very interesting. A 3:20pm departure slot fills a midday gap in the LHR-EWR schedule, or could potentially result in a retimed UA SFO-LHR-SFO service to better connect with UA/NZ SFO-AKL-SFO.

NZ is not resuming LHR service. They announced the intention to withdraw from LHR completely earlier this year.

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:44 pm
by Humberside
11pm is one time when LHR slots are freely available. I suspect UA have obtained the slots to swap with NZ, which NZ will immediately surrender back to the slot coordinator. Probably a legal reason behind it so it's technically a slot swap

Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:28 pm
by wernerga3
So on the united 763, in the back left there are crew rest seats in coach with leg rests. They're only available to purchase on shorter non intl flights, but I am not aware of any flights they have with the 763 domestically. Does anyone know of any?

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I know they fly the 752, 753 and 772 domestically. But I haven't seen the 763 and really want to try out these interesting seats. The only seats in coach with leg rests.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:43 pm
by HNLSLCPDX
Yes.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:45 pm
by wernerga3
HNLSLCPDX wrote:
Yes.

Awesome! Do you have any examples of a route so I can try it out?

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:53 pm
by LAXintl

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:53 pm
by Starfuryt
Looking at FR24 right now there are 3 763s in the air, IAH-ORD, ORD-IAH, and DEN-ORD

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:54 pm
by jetskipper
They are only regularly scheduled on positioning flights between hubs. Most likely to see them on IAH-ORD, ORD-EWR and EWR-IAH.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:57 pm
by wernerga3
Thanks for the replies guys! Seems like they're flying the old config on the IAH-ORD legs which doesn't have those rest seats. Still researching

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:04 pm
by TWAGuy
In August the 763 is scheduled on EWR-IAH/LAX, IAH-ORD, all 1 roundtrip per day

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:10 pm
by bpat777
They run a 763ER EWR-LAX also.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:39 pm
by COEWRMSY
I'm booked next week EWR-IAH with a 763 each way, so I've been watching the app each day to see the configurations. This week on that route has been a mix of the Hi-J Polaris 763 with the seating chart you posted above, and the previous 2-1-2 BF configuration. I don't know if the footrest seats are on all versions of the 763 (I'm guessing not), so not only would you have to catch the 763 on the route, but you'd have to catch the right aircraft. But all variants are showing up here and there on domestic runs, at least as long as TATL is mostly stopped, so you might be able to catch one.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:49 pm
by wernerga3
So it appears that all the combinations are flying the old config which doesn’t offer the legrest seat. I looked at
EWR-LAX LAX-EWR
IAH-ORD ORD-IAH
EWR-IAH IAH-EWR

I wonder where the new config 763 is flying at all right now. Technically there are 3 configs. 2 are new with the rest seats, and 1 is the old config.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:49 pm
by atcsundevil
wernerga3 wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys! Seems like they're flying the old config on the IAH-ORD legs which doesn't have those rest seats. Still researching

All of the aircraft in this configuration are currently stored, and have been since late March. When they'll return to storage and where they'll operate is anyone's guess.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:57 pm
by wernerga3
atcsundevil wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys! Seems like they're flying the old config on the IAH-ORD legs which doesn't have those rest seats. Still researching

All of the aircraft in this configuration are currently stored, and have been since late March. When they'll return to storage and where they'll operate is anyone's guess.

Well that answers that! Looks like I’ll have to wait to see if there is a domestic flight when they come out of storage. Might get lucky with a repositioning flight.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:05 pm
by atcsundevil
wernerga3 wrote:
Well that answers that! Looks like I’ll have to wait to see if there is a domestic flight when they come out of storage. Might get lucky with a repositioning flight.

I have no inside knowledge on this, but I wouldn't anticipate this happening anytime soon. Given the grim outlook for business travel, this configuration may not even return to service, despite it being a new configuration. It's hard to imagine how it could be in any way profitable in the foreseeable future. If I were a betting man (which I'm not, so take this with a grain of salt), I would anticipate these aircraft being reconfigured into a more profitable configuration. It's possible they might even be retired completely. Delta just finished a multi million dollar overhaul of its 777 fleet at the beginning of the year, and now it appears they'll be gone before the end of the year. The conventional reasoning that an aircraft has just been retrofitted and therfore has a long life in the fleet seems to have gone out the window these days.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:20 pm
by redrooster3
wernerga3 wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys! Seems like they're flying the old config on the IAH-ORD legs which doesn't have those rest seats. Still researching

All of the aircraft in this configuration are currently stored, and have been since late March. When they'll return to storage and where they'll operate is anyone's guess.

Well that answers that! Looks like I’ll have to wait to see if there is a domestic flight when they come out of storage. Might get lucky with a repositioning flight.


The only active High-J aircraft flying around is 6452 (N652UA) as she was getting her polaris mod done right when Covid19 hit the world. Keep an eye on her and her whereabouts as she does many hub-to-hub runs. IAH has most, if not all of the High-Js stored around the airport but i don't see them being brought back to service anytime soon

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:54 pm
by ordbosewr
redrooster3 wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
All of the aircraft in this configuration are currently stored, and have been since late March. When they'll return to storage and where they'll operate is anyone's guess.

Well that answers that! Looks like I’ll have to wait to see if there is a domestic flight when they come out of storage. Might get lucky with a repositioning flight.


The only active High-J aircraft flying around is 6452 (N652UA) as she was getting her polaris mod done right when Covid19 hit the world. Keep an eye on her and her whereabouts as she does many hub-to-hub runs. IAH has most, if not all of the High-Js stored around the airport but i don't see them being brought back to service anytime soon


Looks like she is planned to fly ORD-MCO in about 30min from now (6:30pm CT) as UA563
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N652UA

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:17 pm
by FSDan
FWIW, the high-J 763 fleet wasn't scheduled to operate domestic sectors even before COVID. It's just too premium-heavy for most (all?) domestic markets (I don't know if it could work on EWR-SFO/LAX in normal times, but I couldn't see UA scheduling it regularly on hub-to-hub repositioning flights).

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:22 pm
by jayunited
wernerga3 wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys! Seems like they're flying the old config on the IAH-ORD legs which doesn't have those rest seats. Still researching


Researching or trying to nail this down will prove to be futile because UA rotates the standard 30J configuration in and out of service to avoid expensive maintenance when an aircraft is stored. This applies to the 763 stored at ORD, IAH, IAD, and EWR only not the 763s stored at ROW. So there is a mixture of standard Polaris and Diamond equipped 763s flying around because they both have similar seating capacity.

As far as the high J's go (763 equipped with 46J and 22 PE), 99% of those are in storage. There is one a singular frame flying around which just went through Polaris/E modifications. It looks like UA will fly her domestically for a few round trips may put her in storage after August 10th. So your chances of flying on a high J 763 is slim to almost none during this crisis.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:44 pm
by wernerga3
Interesting there is one still flying around for the next 10 days. The million dollar question is which route and when..

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:48 pm
by Cointrin330
The 763s with the expanded Polaris cabin and smaller economy section were rolled out for the EWR-LHR, EWR-ZRH, ORD-LHR routes, and were also planned for some East Coast to AMS (not sure if they were going to be operated on IAD-ZRH, or the IAD/EWR-GVA routes as well). There is one 767-300ER operating EWR-LAX rotations (there are 3 flights a day right now) but only one is a 763.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:51 pm
by dc10co
wernerga3 wrote:
So on the united 763, in the back left there are crew rest seats in coach with leg rests. They're only available to purchase on shorter non intl flights, but I am not aware of any flights they have with the 763 domestically. Does anyone know of any?

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I know they fly the 752, 753 and 772 domestically. But I haven't seen the 763 and really want to try out these interesting seats. The only seats in coach with leg rests.


All of the 767’s have these crew rest seats not just the high J 767’s. On any 767’s with the new Polaris seats they are always the last two rows on the A/B side and for the 767’s with the older CO Diamond seats they are in 16/17AB. The seats are usually not available on the seat map until 24-48 hours before departure. Used to wait and snatch them up anytime I was flying positive space domestically as they are super comfy! As was said they’re chiefly used on hub to hub flights to cycle frames around the system, but they sometimes do one off other domestic legs.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:05 am
by wernerga3
dc10co wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:
So on the united 763, in the back left there are crew rest seats in coach with leg rests. They're only available to purchase on shorter non intl flights, but I am not aware of any flights they have with the 763 domestically. Does anyone know of any?

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I know they fly the 752, 753 and 772 domestically. But I haven't seen the 763 and really want to try out these interesting seats. The only seats in coach with leg rests.


All of the 767’s have these crew rest seats not just the high J 767’s. On any 767’s with the new Polaris seats they are always the last two rows on the A/B side and for the 767’s with the older CO Diamond seats they are in 16/17AB. The seats are usually not available on the seat map until 24-48 hours before departure. Used to wait and snatch them up anytime I was flying positive space domestically as they are super comfy! As was said they’re chiefly used on hub to hub flights to cycle frames around the system, but they sometimes do one off other domestic legs.

On the diamond 763s, where the crew rest seats are 16/17 a/b, are these the older cloth economy seats, or are they all the updated leather ones?

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:23 am
by wernerga3
I see on sat Aug 1st UA 1899 IAH-ORD 763 seems to have a Polaris first but no premium plus. Strange, because on the fleet site, this layout isn't shown. Is it still 16/17 A/B?

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Every other flight I looked up uses the old diamond setup.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:59 am
by CarlosSi
My gosh.

This plane is a large private jet.... so much room for themselves for a lot of people.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:14 am
by OB1504
Those seats are reminiscent of the legendary row 17 “super seat” on AA’s 763s. Those were repurposed old generation business class recliners also used for crew rest and sold as economy on flights under 8 hours.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:26 am
by dc10co
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wernerga3 wrote:
I see on sat Aug 1st UA 1899 IAH-ORD 763 seems to have a Polaris first but no premium plus. Strange, because on the fleet site, this layout isn't shown. Is it still 16/17 A/B?

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Every other flight I looked up uses the old diamond setup.

The only 767’s with Premium Plus are the high J frames. There was no change in capacity or configuration when the Polaris mods occurred except for the crew rest seats getting moved to the back. For the seat map you referenced it would be the last two rows on the A/B side I believe it’s 41/42AB. The frames with the Diamond J seats I believe were all updated to the leather Y interior but I’m not 100% on that. If not the crew seat is identical though just with the old CO checkered blue fabric instead of the leather.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:29 am
by dc10co
OB1504 wrote:
Those seats are reminiscent of the legendary row 17 “super seat” on AA’s 763s. Those were repurposed old generation business class recliners also used for crew rest and sold as economy on flights under 8 hours.

They are extremely reminiscent of the old AA J/domestic first seats and the recline/legrest controls even have the signature upside down comma shape that was ubiquitous at AA

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:57 am
by N62NA
OB1504 wrote:
Those seats are reminiscent of the legendary row 17 “super seat” on AA’s 763s. Those were repurposed old generation business class recliners also used for crew rest and sold as economy on flights under 8 hours.



I was lucky enough to sit in row 17 twice. MIA-LAX and EWR-MIA. Was really nice having the one row private cabin.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:12 am
by xxcr
i miss flying on a the 767! one of my favorite planes! i flew on a 764 from EWR-SJU a few years back in J, and it so was so quiet and secluded. only downside to the 764.....lack of lavatories....only 5 lavs smh!!

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:13 am
by United1
wernerga3 wrote:
I see on sat Aug 1st UA 1899 IAH-ORD 763 seems to have a Polaris first but no premium plus. Strange, because on the fleet site, this layout isn't shown. Is it still 16/17 A/B?

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Every other flight I looked up uses the old diamond setup.


That's the 30 Polaris and 184 Y class configuration....ie the 76A It doesn't have a premium plus cabin and the crew rest seats are 40 & 41 AB. There are 14 of them in the fleet and they make up the bulk of the 767 fleet currently flying.

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:34 am
by Delta350
United is dropping ExpressJett. They’ll consolidate all of their E145 operations into CommutAir.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:53 am
by GoSharks
wernerga3 wrote:
dc10co wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:
So on the united 763, in the back left there are crew rest seats in coach with leg rests. They're only available to purchase on shorter non intl flights, but I am not aware of any flights they have with the 763 domestically. Does anyone know of any?

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I know they fly the 752, 753 and 772 domestically. But I haven't seen the 763 and really want to try out these interesting seats. The only seats in coach with leg rests.


All of the 767’s have these crew rest seats not just the high J 767’s. On any 767’s with the new Polaris seats they are always the last two rows on the A/B side and for the 767’s with the older CO Diamond seats they are in 16/17AB. The seats are usually not available on the seat map until 24-48 hours before departure. Used to wait and snatch them up anytime I was flying positive space domestically as they are super comfy! As was said they’re chiefly used on hub to hub flights to cycle frames around the system, but they sometimes do one off other domestic legs.

On the diamond 763s, where the crew rest seats are 16/17 a/b, are these the older cloth economy seats, or are they all the updated leather ones?

Leather on my flight Jan 1.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:19 pm
by Cointrin330
xxcr wrote:
i miss flying on a the 767! one of my favorite planes! i flew on a 764 from EWR-SJU a few years back in J, and it so was so quiet and secluded. only downside to the 764.....lack of lavatories....only 5 lavs smh!!


The 767-400ER is a nice ride. Feels big, smooth ride. You're right, in CO, then UA configuration, there always seemed to be not enough lavs. The plane though is a hangar queen and at both CO and UA was known for triggering lengthy delays. Right now, all 16 are in storage and rumor has it, none of the UA 767-400s are coming back unless travel picks up meaningfully in 2021. They have not been "Polaris'd" and still sport the CO Business First seat though the Economy class cabin (there is no Premium Plus on the 764 at UA) was refurbished a while back with leather seats and updated AVOD.

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:21 pm
by danipawa
is United taking the rest of A319 pending from easyjet ? 18 listed

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:19 pm
by wernerga3
United1 wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:
I see on sat Aug 1st UA 1899 IAH-ORD 763 seems to have a Polaris first but no premium plus. Strange, because on the fleet site, this layout isn't shown. Is it still 16/17 A/B?

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Every other flight I looked up uses the old diamond setup.


That's the 30 Polaris and 184 Y class configuration....ie the 76A It doesn't have a premium plus cabin and the crew rest seats are 40 & 41 AB. There are 14 of them in the fleet and they make up the bulk of the 767 fleet currently flying.


Thanks, I didn't even realize this was the 30/184, but you're right! Maybe I can jump on this one!


Edit: doesn't look like the seats are available. And on the chart there is no row 42 on the left but there is on the right. I'm guessing this has to do with the larger space for the crew rest seats on the left.

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:25 pm
by Scarebus34
UA intends to start more than 25 international routes in September.

ORD-TLV/AMS
IAH-AMS/FRA
SFO-MUC

ORD-FRA, SFO-LHR goes daily

LAX-SYD and ORD-HKG 3x weekly

BOM/DEL to restart.

SJU-ORD/IAD
EWR-STT

And many more Latin America restarts.

https://hub.united.com/2020-07-31-unite ... 51493.html

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:50 pm
by United1
wernerga3 wrote:
United1 wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:
I see on sat Aug 1st UA 1899 IAH-ORD 763 seems to have a Polaris first but no premium plus. Strange, because on the fleet site, this layout isn't shown. Is it still 16/17 A/B?

Image


Every other flight I looked up uses the old diamond setup.


That's the 30 Polaris and 184 Y class configuration....ie the 76A It doesn't have a premium plus cabin and the crew rest seats are 40 & 41 AB. There are 14 of them in the fleet and they make up the bulk of the 767 fleet currently flying.


Thanks, I didn't even realize this was the 30/184, but you're right! Maybe I can jump on this one!


Edit: doesn't look like the seats are available. And on the chart there is no row 42 on the left but there is on the right. I'm guessing this has to do with the larger space for the crew rest seats on the left.


Either the seats have already been nabbed or, more likely, not released for assignment yet. 42 AB was removed on the left side to allow for additional pitch for the crew rest seats.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:53 pm
by wernerga3
United1 wrote:
wernerga3 wrote:
United1 wrote:

That's the 30 Polaris and 184 Y class configuration....ie the 76A It doesn't have a premium plus cabin and the crew rest seats are 40 & 41 AB. There are 14 of them in the fleet and they make up the bulk of the 767 fleet currently flying.


Thanks, I didn't even realize this was the 30/184, but you're right! Maybe I can jump on this one!


Edit: doesn't look like the seats are available. And on the chart there is no row 42 on the left but there is on the right. I'm guessing this has to do with the larger space for the crew rest seats on the left.


Either the seats have already been nabbed or, more likely, not released for assignment yet. 42 AB was removed on the left side to allow for additional pitch for the crew rest seats.


They must have been taken. The plane is pretty full. All the Polaris seats are gone for example, and they were almost all available as of yesterday. And it leaves in about 24hrs.

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:42 pm
by dmstorm22
Scarebus34 wrote:
UA intends to start more than 25 international routes in September.

ORD-TLV/AMS
IAH-AMS/FRA
SFO-MUC

ORD-FRA, SFO-LHR goes daily

LAX-SYD and ORD-HKG 3x weekly

BOM/DEL to restart.

SJU-ORD/IAD
EWR-STT

And many more Latin America restarts.

https://hub.united.com/2020-07-31-unite ... 51493.html


Nice to see, but still so curious as to who is flying on these routes on a day-to-day basis. I guess there is a certain amount of VFR, and the cargo still flows, but man these are going to be some real dogs of flights in terms of LF and yield you have to imagine.

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:53 pm
by CriticalPoint
dmstorm22 wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
UA intends to start more than 25 international routes in September.

ORD-TLV/AMS
IAH-AMS/FRA
SFO-MUC

ORD-FRA, SFO-LHR goes daily

LAX-SYD and ORD-HKG 3x weekly

BOM/DEL to restart.

SJU-ORD/IAD
EWR-STT

And many more Latin America restarts.

https://hub.united.com/2020-07-31-unite ... 51493.html


Nice to see, but still so curious as to who is flying on these routes on a day-to-day basis. I guess there is a certain amount of VFR, and the cargo still flows, but man these are going to be some real dogs of flights in terms of LF and yield you have to imagine.


United is already flying cargo on all these routes with no passengers. Might as well get some money to move people too.

Re: Does United fly the 763 domestic at all?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:25 pm
by Ziyulu
Are Rows 43 and 44 considered Economy Plus?

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:33 pm
by cosyr
CriticalPoint wrote:
dmstorm22 wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
UA intends to start more than 25 international routes in September.

ORD-TLV/AMS
IAH-AMS/FRA
SFO-MUC

ORD-FRA, SFO-LHR goes daily

LAX-SYD and ORD-HKG 3x weekly

BOM/DEL to restart.

SJU-ORD/IAD
EWR-STT

And many more Latin America restarts.

https://hub.united.com/2020-07-31-unite ... 51493.html


Nice to see, but still so curious as to who is flying on these routes on a day-to-day basis. I guess there is a certain amount of VFR, and the cargo still flows, but man these are going to be some real dogs of flights in terms of LF and yield you have to imagine.


United is already flying cargo on all these routes with no passengers. Might as well get some money to move people too.

Except that they might not be able to do both. If they are flying cargo in the cabin, they can't fly passengers. Maybe they're beyond that type of thing, after the peak of the shut down, but hopefully belly cargo and a few passengers makes up the revenue that cabin cargo would have. I assume almost all options lose money, so which loses least. Seems more like they are trying to defend markets for later on.

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:55 pm
by sldispatcher
From the looks, I’d say there are some corporate clients that may be signalling a need as well.

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:23 pm
by jayunited
cosyr wrote:
Except that they might not be able to do both. If they are flying cargo in the cabin, they can't fly passengers. Maybe they're beyond that type of thing, after the peak of the shut down, but hopefully belly cargo and a few passengers makes up the revenue that cabin cargo would have. I assume almost all options lose money, so which loses least. Seems more like they are trying to defend markets for later on.


You are correct with passengers there can be no cargo in the cabin. For UA cargo in the cabin was limited to the over head bins only. UA never allowed cargo in the seats or removed any seats from aircraft, and we were not running cargo in the cabin on every cargo flight. For the most part cargo in cabin was limited to destinations like FRA, LHR, HKG, NRT, and on occasion PVG and CTU. But UA is running cargo flights to multiple destinations in Asia, the South Pacific, South and Central America, Europe, the Middle East, and India. With passenger loads being so light in some cases UA can fit all the bags in the bulk pit on some international flights and still carry a full belly of cargo. In other cases we only using around 2 LD3's worth of bags plus the bulk pit. Opening up these flights to customers will cost UA a little bit more money in the form of flight attendants (however on cargo in cabin flights UA staff them with 4 FA's for fire protection). But the addition of FA's on these flights won't make or break the bottom line.

Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:04 pm
by MIflyer12
jayunited wrote:
But the addition of FA's on these flights won't make or break the bottom line.


Are UA FA counts set by contract by type, or can UA go right down to the FAA minimum?