AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Ishrion · Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:31 pm

2019 Thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1411811

This Year:
- More A321neos to be delivered (expected to have 32 by the end of 2020)
- More 763s will be retired (expected to have 6 by the end of 2020)
- First batch of new 788s to be delivered.
- E-190s set to be retired
- More 738s and A321s set to receive Project Oasis configurations.

Runway28L · Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:10 pm

From the prior thread:

Runway28L wrote:
A21N (likely N410AN) scheduled to ferry XFW-BGR-PIT tomorrow for delivery and induction.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707

Delivery flight has been canceled.

Miamiairport · Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:46 pm

I thought AA's fleet plan was updated so that all 763s will be gone by the end of 2020(?)

brooklynchris13 · Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:44 pm

One potential item to add to the list at the top, additional used A319s are expected this year and/or next? I recall the rumor about the Alaska frames (up to 10?) but don't know if there are any other used frames that AA has its eyes on out there?

Also, how many 788s are expected this year from the new order?

anymaninfc · Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:40 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
One potential item to add to the list at the top, additional used A319s are expected this year and/or next? I recall the rumor about the Alaska frames (up to 10?) but don't know if there are any other used frames that AA has its eyes on out there?

Also, how many 788s are expected this year from the new order?

I believe Alaska is going to need those 10 A319s at least until their MAX aircraft are delivered and integrated into their fleet. AA has been projecting receiving 12 B788s in 2020, and 10 in 2021.

WA707atMSP · Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:28 am

Some pre-Max grounding fleet plans showed some A320 retirements in 2020.

If the Max returns to service, will A320 retirements resume?

STS133 · Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:52 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
I thought AA's fleet plan was updated so that all 763s will be gone by the end of 2020(?)

I recently did an economy flight SFO-MIA on the 763 and I actually think I will miss it. It’s a surprisingly comfortable aircraft in economy.

Runway28L · Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:56 pm

A21N N410AN now scheduled to ferry XFW-PIT tomorrow for delivery and induction.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707

Boston757 · Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:06 pm

The 767-300 is last of actual space and comfortable seats with good size tray tables. 767-300 is on flt 383 MIA-SFO-MIA in January.

Boston757 · Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:11 pm

I have been told that some of the MAX deliveries have been converted into 787's. Not sure if they are the 8 or 9 nor how many. A bit off topic but does anyone know when AA moves in March,I believe T-1 ( or pier, from what the agents are calling it) will the 777-200/300 be accommodated. Terminal D it cant and has shown up and they had to round up all the passengers and go over to the international terminal to where the inbound had to go.

N62NA · Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:32 pm

STS133 wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
I thought AA's fleet plan was updated so that all 763s will be gone by the end of 2020(?)

I recently did an economy flight SFO-MIA on the 763 and I actually think I will miss it. It’s a surprisingly comfortable aircraft in economy.

That SFO-MIA 763 will shift to LAX-MIA in a few months and AA will go to a bizarre schedule on SFO-MIA with departures at 7:05am, 10:48pm and 12:45am.

Boston757 · Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:43 pm

383 MIA-SFO is a killer at 0655 departure the last month and part of this month.At least 0710 sounds better.

Runway28L · Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:21 am

A21N N408AN scheduled to ferry XFW-PIT-TUL on Saturday for delivery and induction.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707

Any idea why 408 is planned to go directly to Tulsa after clearing customs in Pittsburgh?

SXDFC · Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:23 am

Forgive me if this has been mentioned in the other thread. What’s the odds of AA converting or ordering the A320NEO itself?

anymaninfc · Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:14 am

Runway28L wrote:
A21N N408AN scheduled to ferry XFW-PIT-TUL on Saturday for delivery and induction.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707

Any idea why 408 is planned to go directly to Tulsa after clearing customs in Pittsburgh?

Just a guess, but with AA receiving quite a number more A321NEOs in 2020 (20) and 2021 (18), perhaps they want a second station to have delivery and induction capability for this fleet type. An alternative speculation would be that with the MAXs grounded, that fleet is currently not accumulating hours towards heavy maintenance, and will probably not need much for the next couple of years. That would leave manpower at Tulsa without a workload, thus the reason to move some additional workload to Tulsa.

bluecrew · Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:09 am

SXDFC wrote:
Forgive me if this has been mentioned in the other thread. What’s the odds of AA converting or ordering the A320NEO itself?

I doubt it. Last AAL fleet A320 was delivered in 2005 to AWE. They didn't get any after the AWE/USA merger, just hung on to their handful of newer frames and all of their older, 1997-99 vintage frames.
I gather the economics on the A21N outstrip the A20N by a good deal, probably a marginal difference in fuel burn, same crew cost (depending on config), and you get more seats.

Expect more and more A21Ns, and probably many A321-XR's, especially to replace the 75/76 platform.

Runway28L · Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:14 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
A21N N408AN scheduled to ferry XFW-PIT-TUL on Saturday for delivery and induction.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707

Any idea why 408 is planned to go directly to Tulsa after clearing customs in Pittsburgh?

Just a guess, but with AA receiving quite a number more A321NEOs in 2020 (20) and 2021 (18), perhaps they want a second station to have delivery and induction capability for this fleet type. An alternative speculation would be that with the MAXs grounded, that fleet is currently not accumulating hours towards heavy maintenance, and will probably not need much for the next couple of years. That would leave manpower at Tulsa without a workload, thus the reason to move some additional workload to Tulsa.

Good point. I would also add it’s possible that PIT could simply be out of hangar space right now as their main hangar can only hold three aircraft at once, and I know for sure there’s currently an A320 in there right now for some kind of repair. They do have another hangar but it’s really difficult to fit an entire Airbus into that one and therefore it isn’t used much at all from what I’ve been told.

Who knows, perhaps we will see tomorrow.

alasizon · Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:24 pm

DeltaMD95 wrote:
Could you or anyone knowledgeable with AA’s PHX fleet ops kindly confirm all widebody routes? Thank you.

Nov/Dec had PHX-DFW on 787 and 777 depending on the days; PHX-ORD was up to 3x 787 depending on the day. 330s rotated in and out on PHL or CLT depending on the week. For the summer all you'll have is PHX-LHR on the 772.

anymaninfc wrote:

Just a guess, but with AA receiving quite a number more A321NEOs in 2020 (20) and 2021 (18), perhaps they want a second station to have delivery and induction capability for this fleet type. An alternative speculation would be that with the MAXs grounded, that fleet is currently not accumulating hours towards heavy maintenance, and will probably not need much for the next couple of years. That would leave manpower at Tulsa without a workload, thus the reason to move some additional workload to Tulsa.

I agree its likely to have a second station doing inductions. The heavy MX angle doesn't really work since the usage of all the other N/B fleets went up due to the MAX being OOS so that just moved up some of the heavy MX for those frames.

bluecrew wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
Forgive me if this has been mentioned in the other thread. What’s the odds of AA converting or ordering the A320NEO itself?

I doubt it. Last AAL fleet A320 was delivered in 2005 to AWE. They didn't get any after the AWE/USA merger, just hung on to their handful of newer frames and all of their older, 1997-99 vintage frames.
I gather the economics on the A21N outstrip the A20N by a good deal, probably a marginal difference in fuel burn, same crew cost (depending on config), and you get more seats.

Expect more and more A21Ns, and probably many A321-XR's, especially to replace the 75/76 platform.

The 320N still in theory has a place if the MAX doesn't RTS because there is a waste of aircraft time and capital if you're only ever going to fill 130-160 seats on a 321N. The 76 platform will mostly entirely be replaced by the 788 and there is no reason for it not to be. The 757 platform is of course a 1-for-1 replacement when it comes to the XLRs.

American 767 · Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:33 pm

alasizon wrote:
The 757 platform is of course a 1-for-1 replacement when it comes to the XLRs.

They say now that the last 757 will leave the fleet by the end of 2025. The last ex-US 757 will leave end of 2021, the last LAA 757 will leave end of 2025, just to clarify.
I think that they made plans,at this point, to match the 757 retirements with the delivery schedules of the all new A321XLRs. (NEOs of course). If they ever resume a second daily JFK-CDG flight chances are it will be an A321NeoXLR, in the middle of the 20s, same with BOS-CDG if that one ever comes back.

flyboy80 · Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:19 pm

All the America West 757s are gone now right? Are all of the remaining ex LUS/LAA 757s in an international configuration?

PRAirbus · Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:32 pm

How many B767-300s are left? I read somewhere about several being retired in late 2019. Anyone knows the current headcount and the upcoming retirement projections? Thanks!

chepos · Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:20 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
All the America West 757s are gone now right? Are all of the remaining ex LUS/LAA 757s in an international configuration?

EX HP 757 fleet is gone, LUS 757’s operate with a domestic first cabin. They fly routes such as PHX-LIH/DFW/PHL/CLT, etc.

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anymaninfc · Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:51 pm

PRAirbus wrote:
How many B767-300s are left? I read somewhere about several being retired in late 2019. Anyone knows the current headcount and the upcoming retirement projections? Thanks!

I count 17 B767-300s remaining. Have seen no update to when these will be retired....perhaps as the B-788s arrive, starting this year.

flyboy80 · Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:39 am

But what about the LAA 757s? And I thought LUS had some internationally configured 757s at one point they used from PHL? I'm probably wrong and maybe thinking the 767s. I do know that at one point LAA had a sizable fleet of domestic 757s...remember flying one from DFW to PDX in the early 2000s.

chepos · Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:54 am

flyboy80 wrote:
But what about the LAA 757s? And I thought LUS had some internationally configured 757s at one point they used from PHL? I'm probably wrong and maybe thinking the 767s. I do know that at one point LAA had a sizable fleet of domestic 757s...remember flying one from DFW to PDX in the early 2000s.

I believe the remaining LAA 757 fleet have a long haul Business class cabin. The LUS Envoy equipped fleet is now being used for domestic operations retrofitted with a domestic F cabin.

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miaami · Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:27 am

This site gets updated occasionally and was recently updated in November 2019.

https://sites.google.com/site/newamericanfleet/

miaami · Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:42 am

Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?

https://twitter.com/rafi602/status/1213927149956026368?s=21

Are aircraft losing big sheets of paint already?

catdaddy63 · Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:18 am

miaami wrote:
Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?

https://twitter.com/rafi602/status/1213927149956026368?s=21

Are aircraft losing big sheets of paint already?

The 738 in the picture was delivered with the new livery. Very possibly this was some type of defect in preparation or materials.

N649DL · Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:27 am

chepos wrote:
flyboy80 wrote:
All the America West 757s are gone now right? Are all of the remaining ex LUS/LAA 757s in an international configuration?

EX HP 757 fleet is gone, LUS 757’s operate with a domestic first cabin. They fly routes such as PHX-LIH/DFW/PHL/CLT, etc.

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They have to be gone as the ex-AW 757 were mostly from the 1980s. There were several ex-US 757 that were originally delivered to Eastern and are gone as well. Most of the AA 757s staying put are from the late 1990s and Early 2000s with the exception of a few delivered between 1993 and 1995. They’ll need them with the ban on the MAX right now.

AA321T · Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:39 am

catdaddy63 wrote:
miaami wrote:
Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?

https://twitter.com/rafi602/status/1213927149956026368?s=21

Are aircraft losing big sheets of paint already?

The 738 in the picture was delivered with the new livery. Very possibly this was some type of defect in preparation or materials.

That aircraft was just repainted with a new paint they’re testing that gets it’s metallic sheen from a source that isn’t mica. Clearly they’re having some issues with it. xJonNYC has a thread regarding it.

DeltaMD95 · Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:10 am

chepos wrote:
flyboy80 wrote:
All the America West 757s are gone now right? Are all of the remaining ex LUS/LAA 757s in an international configuration?

EX HP 757 fleet is gone, LUS 757’s operate with a domestic first cabin. They fly routes such as PHX-LIH/DFW/PHL/CLT, etc.

How long is it expected that AA will continue these 757 services from PHX? Particularly DFW?

717atOGG · Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:30 am

Any update on the status of the rumored A332 cabin refresh? I'll be flying on one in April from PHL to CLT and was just curious what my chances are of getting one with the updated IFE screens in Y.

alasizon · Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:07 am

DeltaMD95 wrote:
chepos wrote:
flyboy80 wrote:
All the America West 757s are gone now right? Are all of the remaining ex LUS/LAA 757s in an international configuration?

EX HP 757 fleet is gone, LUS 757’s operate with a domestic first cabin. They fly routes such as PHX-LIH/DFW/PHL/CLT, etc.

How long is it expected that AA will continue these 757 services from PHX? Particularly DFW?

There will be more info once the 2020 fleet plan update is released later this month. For now, at least through 2021.

anymaninfc · Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:37 am

Parts are being received at Boeing, Everett, for AA's next B787-8. Anxiously awaiting what registry will be assigned. Should be N842_ _. We'll see.

anymaninfc · Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:39 am

Oh, and AA's next (?) A321NEO, N411AN, was seen at Hamburg in c/s but sans engines on Jan. 6.

Ishrion · Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:35 am

77W N734AR is being ferried from DFW to MLB. What kind of maintenance?

aacun · Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:54 am

I just got off one of those birds. My understanding is they are going on for the new Altlas galley retrofit. That’s what I was told by another flight att.

Runway28L · Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:26 am

A couple of updates for the B738 fleet. If someone is able to confirm these, that would be much appreciated:

- N979AN is currently in TUL for the Oasis mod but it will be the first 737 with the additional changes to First Class which were announced several months back. N955NN is also in TUL for this mod and it is the first B738 with in-seat AVOD to get Oasis.

- N870NN ferried DFW-TUL 1/6 and N915NN (TWA retro livery) ferried PIT-GSO 1/7 - both are also getting the updated version of the 737 Oasis cabin.

AA321T · Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:40 am

Ishrion wrote:
77W N734AR is being ferried from DFW to MLB. What kind of maintenance?

Modifying the galleys from AA Standard to Atlas Standard. The 77W is the last fleet to be modified following the 757, 737, 767, and 772.

Jo8338 · Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:13 am

chepos wrote:
flyboy80 wrote:
All the America West 757s are gone now right? Are all of the remaining ex LUS/LAA 757s in an international configuration?

EX HP 757 fleet is gone, LUS 757’s operate with a domestic first cabin. They fly routes such as PHX-LIH/DFW/PHL/CLT, etc.

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That’s not correct; N938UW and N939UW are ex HP birds and still flying. They are from 1994.

Jo8338 · Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:14 am

Runway28L wrote:
A couple of updates for the B738 fleet. If someone is able to confirm these, that would be much appreciated:

- N979AN is currently in TUL for the Oasis mod but it will be the first 737 with the additional changes to First Class which were announced several months back. N955NN is also in TUL for this mod and it is the first B738 with in-seat AVOD to get Oasis.

- N870NN ferried DFW-TUL 1/6 and N915NN (TWA retro livery) ferried PIT-GSO 1/7 - both are also getting the updated version of the 737 Oasis cabin.

Is N955NN definitely loosing seatback IFE?

N628AU · Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:07 am

Jo8338 wrote:
That’s not correct; N938UW and N939UW are ex HP birds and still flying. They are from 1994.

No, both are ex-US -2B7 models. Former N625VJ and N626AU.

AA321T · Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:18 am

Jo8338 wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
A couple of updates for the B738 fleet. If someone is able to confirm these, that would be much appreciated:

- N979AN is currently in TUL for the Oasis mod but it will be the first 737 with the additional changes to First Class which were announced several months back. N955NN is also in TUL for this mod and it is the first B738 with in-seat AVOD to get Oasis.

- N870NN ferried DFW-TUL 1/6 and N915NN (TWA retro livery) ferried PIT-GSO 1/7 - both are also getting the updated version of the 737 Oasis cabin.

Is N955NN definitely loosing seatback IFE?

Yes

anymaninfc · Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:25 pm

AAs next ex-Frontier A319, N775XF, is scheduled to fly GYR to CLT today. This is the 8th ex-Frontier aircraft. I expect it will be another month at CLT in prep for revenue service.

anymaninfc · Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:25 pm

I must have missed it, but B767-323 N385AM was flown to ROW for retirement on 1-6-2020. That leaves 16 of this type remaining in the active fleet.

anymaninfc · Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:44 pm

Runway28L wrote:
A21N N410AN now scheduled to ferry XFW-PIT tomorrow for delivery and induction.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9707

Aircraft N410AN has been prepped for service and is headed to LAX, Jan. 16.

alasizon · Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:24 pm

The new fleet plan is out for 2020, no big changes.

https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com/st ... 7c65508a5f

Only interesting part to me is that they still haven't figured out what they are doing with Mesa. There are still 5-7 planes that AA is allowed to pull from the contract because of YV's performance but they haven't yet due to a lack of available lift from other carriers to replace it. I had hoped the 2020 fleet plan would show what their plans were in that regard (plus YV's contract begins to expire January 1st, 2021 so other carriers should hopefully be taking their spot).

TXRoadMan · Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:30 pm

Interesting that the A321(ceo) count is one less than in the Q3 update. I’m guessing that’s the JFK incident frame. Does that signal a w/o, or just an acknowledgment that it’s in ‘liability limbo’ and may be OTS for some time?

Also, the CR9 count is one fewer than Q3. One, single Mesa frame withdrawn or delay in new deliveries from BBD?

heretothere · Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:43 pm

TXRoadMan wrote:
Interesting that the A321(ceo) count is one less than in the Q3 update. I’m guessing that’s the JFK incident frame. Does that signal a w/o, or just an acknowledgment that it’s in ‘liability limbo’ and may be OTS for some time?

Also, the CR9 count is one fewer than Q3. One, single Mesa frame withdrawn or delay in new deliveries from BBD?

The CR9 reduction versus Q3 is from Mesa:

http://investor.mesa-air.com/news-relea ... n-airlines

Looks like the YE2020 E175 count went up by 6 to 195 versus last quarter. Anyone know which carrier is getting more? I haven’t seen AA order any additional shells so maybe they’ll come from the existing Republic order?

Varsity1 · Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:08 pm

What is the delivery schedule on the Envoy 175's?

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