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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:57 pm

Why didn’t Doug Parker order A320neos as part of the recent A321NEO order? AA has a fleet of only 48 A320s.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:11 am

arielwar wrote:
I wonder if the new A321 long ranch aircraft they ordered recent will have AVOD ?


AA has committed to AVOD on long-haul flights. I'm pretty sure the 321LR will get AVOD.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 12:24 am

arielwar wrote:
I wonder if the new A321 long ranch aircraft they ordered recent will have AVOD ?

I really hope so. I don't like the BYOD because it's bad on my phone battery and having the charging cord in the way.

I won't be surprised if they said no AVOD to save weight and cost... :(

Lucky AA can't oasisfy the XLR for TATL services
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:06 am

I would be curious to utilization data on the AVOD/PTV systems on short-haul. Yes, we all love it. But I would bet they have data that shows actual use and it's probably pretty low. You factor in obsolesence and cost..... I would imagine they sampled customer preferences and found in-seat power to be more of a decider on booking than an AVOD system.

When I fly I usually see people glued to their phones or tablets with the AVOD on the home screen and not touched... or perhaps just the map up.... even on long-haul. Heck, most people are asleep.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:10 am

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Why didn’t Doug Parker order A320neos as part of the recent A321NEO order? AA has a fleet of only 48 A320s.


It's somewhat redundant with the 737-800 & -8. And AA loves 321s.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:43 am

AA's soon to be newest B787-8, N870AX, made it's first test flights yesterday, Mar.3.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:38 am

Are the 788s replacing the 767s?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:35 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Are the 788s replacing the 767s?


Why didn’t Doug Parker order A320neos as part of the recent A321NEO order? AA has a fleet of only 48 A320s.

I believe the operating costs of the 321 are near the 320 yet can carry more paxs hence why airlines are ordering variants of the 321 in mass. The next batch of 788s will replace all 763s. I can't remember but a few might be for route expansion. The 789s will replace the A333s and eventually the oldest 772s, now more than 20 years old.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:49 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Are the 788s replacing the 767s?


Why didn’t Doug Parker order A320neos as part of the recent A321NEO order? AA has a fleet of only 48 A320s.

I believe the operating costs of the 321 are near the 320 yet can carry more paxs hence why airlines are ordering variants of the 321 in mass. The next batch of 788s will replace all 763s. I can't remember but a few might be for route expansion. The 789s will replace the A333s and eventually the oldest 772s, now more than 20 years old.


They ordered a mix of A321NEOs and 737MAX8's with that intention.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:16 am

Yes

blacksoviet wrote:
Are the 788s replacing the 767s?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:46 am

Miamiairport wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Are the 788s replacing the 767s?


Why didn’t Doug Parker order A320neos as part of the recent A321NEO order? AA has a fleet of only 48 A320s.

I believe the operating costs of the 321 are near the 320 yet can carry more paxs hence why airlines are ordering variants of the 321 in mass. The next batch of 788s will replace all 763s. I can't remember but a few might be for route expansion. The 789s will replace the A333s and eventually the oldest 772s, now more than 20 years old.

Don Carty probably regrets not ordering more 763s in 2002. Now AA is stuck buying expensive 788s.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:18 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Are the 788s replacing the 767s?


Why didn’t Doug Parker order A320neos as part of the recent A321NEO order? AA has a fleet of only 48 A320s.

I believe the operating costs of the 321 are near the 320 yet can carry more paxs hence why airlines are ordering variants of the 321 in mass. The next batch of 788s will replace all 763s. I can't remember but a few might be for route expansion. The 789s will replace the A333s and eventually the oldest 772s, now more than 20 years old.

Don Carty probably regrets not ordering more 763s in 2002. Now AA is stuck buying expensive 788s.


The 763s need replacement, no matter what the replacement is, it costs money.

The 788 is a very flexible modern product and far more efficient across the network.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:14 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Are the 788s replacing the 767s?


Why didn’t Doug Parker order A320neos as part of the recent A321NEO order? AA has a fleet of only 48 A320s.

I believe the operating costs of the 321 are near the 320 yet can carry more paxs hence why airlines are ordering variants of the 321 in mass. The next batch of 788s will replace all 763s. I can't remember but a few might be for route expansion. The 789s will replace the A333s and eventually the oldest 772s, now more than 20 years old.

Don Carty probably regrets not ordering more 763s in 2002. Now AA is stuck buying expensive 788s.



AA ordered the number of 763 & 777-200ER that worked for them. AA is not Delta, with a huge Continental European system needing point to point service from JFK & Atlanta. AA ordered 772 because most of their European flights are to London Heathrow, they also needed the bigger plane for Tokyo, Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo.

In the early 2000's AA was also looking at Asian expansion, he 777 helped AA fly to China from DFW and Chicago. Flying 767 to Asia would be challenging.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:29 pm

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Yes

blacksoviet wrote:
Are the 788s replacing the 767s?


Any predictions/insight on whether 788s will eventually be used on the select domestic routes that the 763s are sometimes used on or are the 763s only being used domestically for capacity needs caused by the MAX grounding?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:55 pm

AA 788 service from MIA is already loaded to GIG and MVD effective Jan 7th, 2021. The domestic segments are not loaded yet; they will probably originate in ORD/PHL/DFW before continuing from MIA to Deep South and viceversa. MIA will see 1 or 2 daily 772 to BOS to support BOS-LHR. Interestingly enough, the 763 seems almost completely gone in early 2021; MIA-LIM all 757, MIA-GYE 738/757, no more 767 on MIA-SJU, MIA-CUN. A few per day to JFK and PHL. I am sure it's all under review. Wondering when MIA-LIM will get widebody service in 2021.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:57 pm

The 763s have been regularly used for day turns out of MIA to JFK, PHL, ORD, DFW, SFO, LAS and even at times CLT. I assume you will see similar routings with the 788.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:38 pm

The E-190s will no longer be retired by the end of summer 2020 due to MAX groundings and A321neo delivery delays.

17 of 20 E-190s will fly through the end of 2020.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... 190-fleet/
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:51 pm

planecane wrote:
Any predictions/insight on whether 788s will eventually be used on the select domestic routes that the 763s are sometimes used on or are the 763s only being used domestically for capacity needs caused by the MAX grounding?


You'll continue to see 788s fly between hubs (perhaps even increasingly as the fleet grows and more hubs get them), and probably select other domestic routes on a seasonal basis. I don't know that AA will put them on routes as short as MIA-MCO that 763s have flown in the past, but we'll see... In particular, I'd expect to continue seeing them in SFO and LAS at least occasionally from the likes of DFW, ORD, MIA, and PHL.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:11 pm

FSDan wrote:
planecane wrote:
Any predictions/insight on whether 788s will eventually be used on the select domestic routes that the 763s are sometimes used on or are the 763s only being used domestically for capacity needs caused by the MAX grounding?


You'll continue to see 788s fly between hubs (perhaps even increasingly as the fleet grows and more hubs get them), and probably select other domestic routes on a seasonal basis. I don't know that AA will put them on routes as short as MIA-MCO that 763s have flown in the past, but we'll see... In particular, I'd expect to continue seeing them in SFO and LAS at least occasionally from the likes of DFW, ORD, MIA, and PHL.

How can AA fill a 763 on MIA-SFO if SFO isn’t even a hub?
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:14 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
FSDan wrote:
planecane wrote:
Any predictions/insight on whether 788s will eventually be used on the select domestic routes that the 763s are sometimes used on or are the 763s only being used domestically for capacity needs caused by the MAX grounding?


You'll continue to see 788s fly between hubs (perhaps even increasingly as the fleet grows and more hubs get them), and probably select other domestic routes on a seasonal basis. I don't know that AA will put them on routes as short as MIA-MCO that 763s have flown in the past, but we'll see... In particular, I'd expect to continue seeing them in SFO and LAS at least occasionally from the likes of DFW, ORD, MIA, and PHL.

How can AA fill a 763 on MIA-SFO if SFO isn’t even a hub?


Demand and connections, you don't need a hub on both ends to fill a widebody. AA also fills widebodies on PHX-HNL, PHL-SFO, CLT-PUJ, CLT-MCO, DFW-MCO, all of which don't require a widebody for the range.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:16 pm

MIA is a big AA hub, and SFO-MIA is a fair-sized market. The 767 is only 1 of 4 AA flights a day. UA shows just 1x 737 on the route next Monday.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:27 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Don Carty probably regrets not ordering more 763s in 2002. Now AA is stuck buying expensive 788s.


Why would Don Carty care? He hasn't been with AA since 2003.

Further, even if they had ordered them back then (with what money? The whole US airline industry was hurting severely in 2002), they'd still be in a position of needing to replace them soon-ish anyway.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 6:53 pm

hOMSaR wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Don Carty probably regrets not ordering more 763s in 2002. Now AA is stuck buying expensive 788s.


Why would Don Carty care? He hasn't been with AA since 2003.

Further, even if they had ordered them back then (with what money? The whole US airline industry was hurting severely in 2002), they'd still be in a position of needing to replace them soon-ish anyway.

Buying more 763s back then would have bought AA more time. They could have waited to replace them until Boeing launches their 763/753 replacement aircraft, instead of ordering 788s now which have too much range for most 767 routes.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:20 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
hOMSaR wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Don Carty probably regrets not ordering more 763s in 2002. Now AA is stuck buying expensive 788s.


Why would Don Carty care? He hasn't been with AA since 2003.

Further, even if they had ordered them back then (with what money? The whole US airline industry was hurting severely in 2002), they'd still be in a position of needing to replace them soon-ish anyway.

Buying more 763s back then would have bought AA more time. They could have waited to replace them until Boeing launches their 763/753 replacement aircraft, instead of ordering 788s now which have too much range for most 767 routes.

I think the bigger issue is AA failed to properly update and maintain their 763 fleet. UA and DL have many 763 that are as old as AA's and yet they have no issues continuing to fly them.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:55 pm

alasizon wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
FSDan wrote:

You'll continue to see 788s fly between hubs (perhaps even increasingly as the fleet grows and more hubs get them), and probably select other domestic routes on a seasonal basis. I don't know that AA will put them on routes as short as MIA-MCO that 763s have flown in the past, but we'll see... In particular, I'd expect to continue seeing them in SFO and LAS at least occasionally from the likes of DFW, ORD, MIA, and PHL.

How can AA fill a 763 on MIA-SFO if SFO isn’t even a hub?


Demand and connections, you don't need a hub on both ends to fill a widebody. AA also fills widebodies on PHX-HNL, PHL-SFO, CLT-PUJ, CLT-MCO, DFW-MCO, all of which don't require a widebody for the range.


Oh AA has no issues filling not only 763s and 772s but 773s as well. I've seen where AA has upgauged to a 773 to DFW and even MCO rather than presumably have a large number of bumps. Now what kind of yields does AA get?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:59 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
hOMSaR wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Don Carty probably regrets not ordering more 763s in 2002. Now AA is stuck buying expensive 788s.


Why would Don Carty care? He hasn't been with AA since 2003.

Further, even if they had ordered them back then (with what money? The whole US airline industry was hurting severely in 2002), they'd still be in a position of needing to replace them soon-ish anyway.

Buying more 763s back then would have bought AA more time. They could have waited to replace them until Boeing launches their 763/753 replacement aircraft, instead of ordering 788s now which have too much range for most 767 routes.


Back in 2002 other than Southwest airlines had stopped buying planes. In 2004 LUS decided it's future rested upon lot's of RJs and I believe that's where the E190s came in. AA took delivery of it's final 763 in 2003. It also stopped it's narrow body renewal plan by the halt of new 738s. It wasn't until 2008 when it announced it's massive fleet renewal plan as part of an out of court turnaround plan, which failed due to problems with labor.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:16 pm

Austin787 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
hOMSaR wrote:

Why would Don Carty care? He hasn't been with AA since 2003.

Further, even if they had ordered them back then (with what money? The whole US airline industry was hurting severely in 2002), they'd still be in a position of needing to replace them soon-ish anyway.

Buying more 763s back then would have bought AA more time. They could have waited to replace them until Boeing launches their 763/753 replacement aircraft, instead of ordering 788s now which have too much range for most 767 routes.

I think the bigger issue is AA failed to properly update and maintain their 763 fleet. UA and DL have many 763 that are as old as AA's and yet they have no issues continuing to fly them.

Is Tom Horton at fault for failing to perform adequate maintenance on the 763 fleet or was the current situation created by Gerard Arpey?

Most of the AA 767 fleet is less than 20 years old. That is very young even for a blue chip airline like American Airlines. I love the 787 however it is not optimized for domestic or transatlantic routes.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:22 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
FSDan wrote:
planecane wrote:
Any predictions/insight on whether 788s will eventually be used on the select domestic routes that the 763s are sometimes used on or are the 763s only being used domestically for capacity needs caused by the MAX grounding?


You'll continue to see 788s fly between hubs (perhaps even increasingly as the fleet grows and more hubs get them), and probably select other domestic routes on a seasonal basis. I don't know that AA will put them on routes as short as MIA-MCO that 763s have flown in the past, but we'll see... In particular, I'd expect to continue seeing them in SFO and LAS at least occasionally from the likes of DFW, ORD, MIA, and PHL.

How can AA fill a 763 on MIA-SFO if SFO isn’t even a hub?


As a major business and tourism destination, San Francisco has huge inbound traffic from all over the world. With SFO having very limited nonstop options to Latin America, I'm sure AA has no problem routing connections from Brazil, Argentina, Peru, Jamaica, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, etc. to SFO over MIA. Add in the gate and runway capacity constraints that SFO has, and it makes a lot of sense for even non-hub airlines like AA and DL to use widebodies there as demand warrants. Sometimes the service is scheduled, and sometimes it's just opportunistic near-in upgauging (e.g. DL generally schedules JFK-SFO as an all-752 route, but it's not at all uncommon to see one frequency upgauged to a 763 here and there).

Other major tourism destinations like LAS, PHX, and MCO also tend to see scheduled widebody service coinciding with peak season (which happens to be winter, when airlines have slack in their widebody fleets anyway due to reduced transatlantic and transpacific demand).
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 8:29 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
hOMSaR wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Don Carty probably regrets not ordering more 763s in 2002. Now AA is stuck buying expensive 788s.


Why would Don Carty care? He hasn't been with AA since 2003.

Further, even if they had ordered them back then (with what money? The whole US airline industry was hurting severely in 2002), they'd still be in a position of needing to replace them soon-ish anyway.

Buying more 763s back then would have bought AA more time. They could have waited to replace them until Boeing launches their 763/753 replacement aircraft, instead of ordering 788s now which have too much range for most 767 routes.


How was anybody in 2002 supposed to know what airplanes would be on offer in 2020?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:23 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Austin787 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Buying more 763s back then would have bought AA more time. They could have waited to replace them until Boeing launches their 763/753 replacement aircraft, instead of ordering 788s now which have too much range for most 767 routes.

I think the bigger issue is AA failed to properly update and maintain their 763 fleet. UA and DL have many 763 that are as old as AA's and yet they have no issues continuing to fly them.

Is Tom Horton at fault for failing to perform adequate maintenance on the 763 fleet or was the current situation created by Gerard Arpey?

Most of the AA 767 fleet is less than 20 years old. That is very young even for a blue chip airline like American Airlines. I love the 787 however it is not optimized for domestic or transatlantic routes.


Could they have had tunnel vision on the 1986 EIS of the 763 type? That would explain keeping the 772's, which are from 1999-2002ish, until the wings fall off.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:54 am

blacksoviet wrote:
hOMSaR wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Don Carty probably regrets not ordering more 763s in 2002. Now AA is stuck buying expensive 788s.


Why would Don Carty care? He hasn't been with AA since 2003.

Further, even if they had ordered them back then (with what money? The whole US airline industry was hurting severely in 2002), they'd still be in a position of needing to replace them soon-ish anyway.

Buying more 763s back then would have bought AA more time. They could have waited to replace them until Boeing launches their 763/753 replacement aircraft, instead of ordering 788s now which have too much range for most 767 routes.



"too much range" isnt a thing, the 788 is a much much better aircraft economically than the 763, lower overall casm and much more fuel efficient, granted there isn't a need to fly widebodies domestically these days
 
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Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:27 am

1989worstyear wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Austin787 wrote:
I think the bigger issue is AA failed to properly update and maintain their 763 fleet. UA and DL have many 763 that are as old as AA's and yet they have no issues continuing to fly them.

Is Tom Horton at fault for failing to perform adequate maintenance on the 763 fleet or was the current situation created by Gerard Arpey?

Most of the AA 767 fleet is less than 20 years old. That is very young even for a blue chip airline like American Airlines. I love the 787 however it is not optimized for domestic or transatlantic routes.


Could they have had tunnel vision on the 1986 EIS of the 763 type? That would explain keeping the 772's, which are from 1999-2002ish, until the wings fall off.


Funny, I don't recall any wings falling off.
 
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Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:06 pm

Since AA rid itself of the older 763s the reliability of these a/c seems to have improved. Yes they still look 1980s vintage inside. When the 762s came towards the end of their life the dispatch reliability sunk. A two class 757 with domestic F seating would get regularly subbed for a 3 class 762.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:23 pm

sargester wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
hOMSaR wrote:

Why would Don Carty care? He hasn't been with AA since 2003.

Further, even if they had ordered them back then (with what money? The whole US airline industry was hurting severely in 2002), they'd still be in a position of needing to replace them soon-ish anyway.

Buying more 763s back then would have bought AA more time. They could have waited to replace them until Boeing launches their 763/753 replacement aircraft, instead of ordering 788s now which have too much range for most 767 routes.



"too much range" isnt a thing, the 788 is a much much better aircraft economically than the 763, lower overall casm and much more fuel efficient, granted there isn't a need to fly widebodies domestically these days


You are right. Except B763 has 28J and B788 only 19J/20J depends on routes. I hope AA will increase the B788 J count to 28J again.
 
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Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:25 pm

AA flies 787-9 or 777 to places where they need more J.

787-8 works perfect the way it is.
 
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Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:52 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
Since AA rid itself of the older 763s the reliability of these a/c seems to have improved. Yes they still look 1980s vintage inside. When the 762s came towards the end of their life the dispatch reliability sunk. A two class 757 with domestic F seating would get regularly subbed for a 3 class 762.

AA still has three of the older 763s delivered in 1995. They were supposed to be retired this year but I wonder if they might be kept around longer due to the MAX crisis and the JFK runway closure.
 
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Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:36 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
Since AA rid itself of the older 763s the reliability of these a/c seems to have improved. Yes they still look 1980s vintage inside. When the 762s came towards the end of their life the dispatch reliability sunk. A two class 757 with domestic F seating would get regularly subbed for a 3 class 762.

AA still has three of the older 763s delivered in 1995. They were supposed to be retired this year but I wonder if they might be kept around longer due to the MAX crisis and the JFK runway closure.


What JFK runway closure in 2020?
 
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Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:41 am

jbs2886 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
Since AA rid itself of the older 763s the reliability of these a/c seems to have improved. Yes they still look 1980s vintage inside. When the 762s came towards the end of their life the dispatch reliability sunk. A two class 757 with domestic F seating would get regularly subbed for a 3 class 762.

AA still has three of the older 763s delivered in 1995. They were supposed to be retired this year but I wonder if they might be kept around longer due to the MAX crisis and the JFK runway closure.


What JFK runway closure in 2020?


Not to mention, you don't keep planes for a runway closure... makes no sense.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:54 am

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granted there isn't a need to fly widebodies domestically these days


The fact that all of the US3 still fly widebodies domestically seems to indicate there is still a need for them (with UA even maintaining a dedicated 19-strong subfleet of high density domestic 772s). With airports like SFO, LAX, EWR, and JFK likely to be gate constrained and/or slot controlled well into the future, airlines have to find one way or another to get more capacity into these markets as demand grows. Also, hub-to-hub widebodies do help facilitate the cargo operations of the US3.

One further factor that I think will continue to promote the use of widebodies on domestic flights is that several major tourism destinations peak with their best weather in the winter months, when transatlantic and transpacific long haul is way down. That helps the US3 improve their year-round fleet utilization with turns to destinations like LAS, PHX, and MCO (plus international short haul destinations like MBJ, PUJ, and CUN).
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:22 am

blacksoviet wrote:
FSDan wrote:
planecane wrote:
Any predictions/insight on whether 788s will eventually be used on the select domestic routes that the 763s are sometimes used on or are the 763s only being used domestically for capacity needs caused by the MAX grounding?


You'll continue to see 788s fly between hubs (perhaps even increasingly as the fleet grows and more hubs get them), and probably select other domestic routes on a seasonal basis. I don't know that AA will put them on routes as short as MIA-MCO that 763s have flown in the past, but we'll see... In particular, I'd expect to continue seeing them in SFO and LAS at least occasionally from the likes of DFW, ORD, MIA, and PHL.

How can AA fill a 763 on MIA-SFO if SFO isn’t even a hub?


That 767-300 is always full!!! Lots of Deep South America connections both ways !
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:51 pm

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AA's soon to be newest B787-8, N870AX, made it's first test flights yesterday, Mar.3.


N870AX flew a second test flight yesterday, Mar. 11.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:53 pm

AAs soon to be A321NEO, N417AN, made it's first flight yesterday, Mar. 11, from BFM-BFM.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:36 am

Breaking News

All 767 GONE by May of this year.

All 757 gone by 2021.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:01 am

Detroit313 wrote:
Breaking News

All 767 GONE by May of this year.

All 757 gone by 2021.

Source please?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:05 am

Detroit313 wrote:
Breaking News

All 767 GONE by May of this year.

All 757 gone by 2021.

They can’t get rid of the 757. It is the only narrowbody with enough range to do MIA-BSB. They say the 738 doesn’t have enough range. The A332 is too big.

The 767s are also needed for South American flights from MIA.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:10 am

If this goes on much longer expect the E190 and A330 to get retired earlier too.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:12 am

AAlaxfan wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Breaking News

All 767 GONE by May of this year.

All 757 gone by 2021.

Source please?

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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:13 am

AAlaxfan wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Breaking News

All 767 GONE by May of this year.

All 757 gone by 2021.

Source please?


https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1238291670699069449
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:38 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Breaking News

All 767 GONE by May of this year.

All 757 gone by 2021.

They can’t get rid of the 757. It is the only narrowbody with enough range to do MIA-BSB. They say the 738 doesn’t have enough range. The A332 is too big.

The 767s are also needed for South American flights from MIA.


Well, AA disagrees with you.

MIA-BSB will likely go to the 321NEO

As far as the 767 routes from MIA, those will likely go 788.
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AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:42 am

alasizon wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Breaking News

All 767 GONE by May of this year.

All 757 gone by 2021.

They can’t get rid of the 757. It is the only narrowbody with enough range to do MIA-BSB. They say the 738 doesn’t have enough range. The A332 is too big.

The 767s are also needed for South American flights from MIA.


Well, AA disagrees with you.

MIA-BSB will likely go to the 321NEO

As far as the 767 routes from MIA, those will likely go 788.

If the MAX is in the air by 2021, (when the 757 is scheduled to leave the fleet) I would assume the MAX would take over MIA-BSB. It was the aircraft scheduled to take over the route, obviously the grounding changed that.


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