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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:49 am

Once the 757s are gone, will AA have any narrowbody that can fly EGE-MIA with a reasonable load? I typically fly this route once each year and the 757 usually has around 150 pax on my flights. For the first time this year we took off counter flow on runway 7. The pilot said it was due to our weight.

I would assume if the A319, A320, 737-800 or A321 (CEO or NEO) could do it they would already have put one of them on the route. So I guess it comes down to weather the 737 MAX 8 (assuming RTS) or A321XLR has the takeoff and climb performance to be able to do it. I'm ignoring widebodies because I can't imagine it would be economical to fly that route with 150 pax on a 788 or larger.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:51 am

chepos wrote:
alasizon wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
They can’t get rid of the 757. It is the only narrowbody with enough range to do MIA-BSB. They say the 738 doesn’t have enough range. The A332 is too big.

The 767s are also needed for South American flights from MIA.


Well, AA disagrees with you.

MIA-BSB will likely go to the 321NEO

As far as the 767 routes from MIA, those will likely go 788.

If the MAX is in the air by 2021, (when the 757 is scheduled to leave the fleet) I would assume the MAX would take over MIA-BSB. It was the aircraft scheduled to take over the route, obviously the grounding changed that.


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I forgot about the MAX being scheduled originally but I believe it will still be the NEO in the long run as it can carry a bit more payload on the distance, particularly cargo and all the bags that come with the MIA VFR markets.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:30 am

Who will buy the six USAir 757s based at PHX?
They were built in 1994 and 1995 so they are still a bit too young to be scrapped.

I wonder if UA will buy some of the 767s.
 
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AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:38 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Who will buy the six USAir 757s based at PHX?
They were built in 1994 and 1995 so they are still a bit too young to be scrapped.

I wonder if UA will buy some of the 767s.


Why would they, it’s not like they (UA) are in need of WB lift for the foreseeable future. They are also affected by this.


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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:02 am

Well that’s tragic. Was hoping to ride on one within retirement to Vail or something. Guess that’s not happening no more.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:52 am

Will AA sell a 757 to Glenn Beck to replace his 1966 DC-9? That plane is now 54 years old.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:31 am

And the A333s soldier on.

I assume the domestic 757s will be the first to go?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:13 pm

IAmGaroott wrote:
And the A333s soldier on.

I assume the domestic 757s will be the first to go?


The A333's are being kept because of their EIS year.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:40 pm

Aren’t there 16 B767s still operating at AA? Does anyone have a handy list of the routes they were supposed to operate on? Would all the B787 Asia cuts be sufficient to handle all the planned summer B767 routes?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:45 pm

onwFan wrote:
Aren’t there 16 B767s still operating at AA? Does anyone have a handy list of the routes they were supposed to operate on? Would all the B787 Asia cuts be sufficient to handle all the planned summer B767 routes?


MIA-MVD (gone until Dec when 788 takes over)
MIA-COR (now gone 2 months early)
PHL-TXL/DBV/BUD, additionally planned switch to 763 on MAN-PHL

Some domestic routes as well.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:48 pm

Ishrion wrote:
onwFan wrote:
Aren’t there 16 B767s still operating at AA? Does anyone have a handy list of the routes they were supposed to operate on? Would all the B787 Asia cuts be sufficient to handle all the planned summer B767 routes?


MIA-MVD (gone until Dec when 788 takes over)
MIA-COR (now gone 2 months early)
PHL-TXL/DBV/BUD, additionally planned switch to 763 on MAN-PHL

Some domestic routes as well.

Thanks. Seems like they shouldn’t have any issues...
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:58 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Who will buy the six USAir 757s based at PHX?
They were built in 1994 and 1995 so they are still a bit too young to be scrapped.

I wonder if UA will buy some of the 767s.


Doubt it. UA is in the same boat as the rest of the industry, and has an even larger international portfolio and exposure, than AA. UA has already announced it will park planes before the COVID19 situation worsened. I think it is inevitable that UA will probably remove some 763s from the fleet, potentially even permanently, even if some of them are fully paid for.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:57 pm

 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:00 pm

alasizon wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Breaking News

All 767 GONE by May of this year.

All 757 gone by 2021.

They can’t get rid of the 757. It is the only narrowbody with enough range to do MIA-BSB. They say the 738 doesn’t have enough range. The A332 is too big.

The 767s are also needed for South American flights from MIA.


Well, AA disagrees with you.

MIA-BSB will likely go to the 321NEO

As far as the 767 routes from MIA, those will likely go 788.


Also, if the global economic fallout from this crisis is sustained, AA may simply decide that they'll serve BSB by connecting their passengers to GOL flights from other Brazilian airports. FWIW, I think the MAX -8 might be able to make it on MIA-BSB... Wasn't GOL planning to fly that nonstop?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:44 pm

onwFan wrote:
Aren’t there 16 B767s still operating at AA? Does anyone have a handy list of the routes they were supposed to operate on? Would all the B787 Asia cuts be sufficient to handle all the planned summer B767 routes?


The originally planned summer schedule (which you can still see on aa.com for another day or two until they load the updates) had the following 763 flights scheduled:

MIA-LAX x1
MIA-PHL x1
MIA-JFK x1
MIA-SJU x1
MIA-GYE x1
MIA-LIM x1
MIA-MVD x1
PHL-MIA x1
PHL-MAN x1
PHL-LIS x1
PHL-TXL x1
PHL-BUD x1
PHL-DBV x1

That flying would have required 11 frames, with presumably one or two spares as well.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:00 pm

Because I'm a nerd, here's the list of the 757 routes that were originally planned for S20 (going by current June schedules). There may be fewer updates to these routes, but I'm sure there will be some...

Domestic 752s:
SFO-PHX x2 (eastbound only)
LAS-CLT x1 (eastbound only)
PHX-DFW x1
PHX-CLT x2
PHX-DCA x1 (eastbound only)
PHX-PHL x5
PHX-CUN x1
PHX-LIH x1
DFW-PHX x1
DFW-CUN x1
CLT-PHX x2
CLT-PHL x1 (northbound only)
DCA-LAS x1 (westbound only)
PHL-SFO x2 (westbound only)
PHL-PHX x4

That utilizes 9 out of 10 frames.

International 752s:
DFW-LAS x2
DFW-MIA x4
DFW-CLT x1
DFW-PHL x4
DFW-JFK x2
DFW-BOS x2
DFW-LIM x1
MIA-DFW x4
MIA-MCO x2
MIA-PHL x1
MIA-CUN x1
MIA-GYE x1
MIA-LIM x2
MIA-BSB x1
CLT-DFW x1
CLT-PHL x2
CLT-STT x1
CLT-SXM x2
PHL-DFW x4
PHL-MIA x1
PHL-MCO x1
PHL-CLT x2
PHL-BOS x1
PHL-CMN x3 weekly
PHL-KEF x1
PHL-SNN x1
PHL-EDI x1

That utilizes 21 out of 24 frames.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:29 pm

So what happens to the crews?
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:25 pm

    MohawkWeekend wrote:
    So what happens to the crews?


    Sent home with pay and eventually they get trained into any aircraft in the fleet their seniority can hold.
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:01 pm

    N342AN ferried to VQQ on 11 March. Looks like the beginning of the rapid retirement of all 16 x 767 by the end of May due to the coronavirus draw down.
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:02 pm

    Why is AA ditching all flights to Buenos Aires ? Even Miami to EZE are toast
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:07 pm

    jfk777 wrote:
    Why is AA ditching all flights to Buenos Aires ? Even Miami to EZE are toast

    According to Coronavirus thread, Argentina is imposing restriction on foreign national travelling to the country.
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:18 pm

    jfk777 wrote:
    Why is AA ditching all flights to Buenos Aires ? Even Miami to EZE are toast


    Argentina stopped US air travel
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:32 pm

    blacksoviet wrote:
    I wonder if UA will buy some of the 767s.


    ATSG (and its subsidiary Cargo Aircraft Management) have options on basically all of them. They will be converted to freighters over the next couple of years and dry-leased to Amazon, UPS and others. The newest ones may find their way into the fleet of ATSG's Omni Air International charter carrier, which already has one of them. Omni actually makes them very nice inside, with thick padded seats, unlike the crap we're sitting in on the majors today.
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:35 pm

    jgcotter wrote:
    N342AN ferried to VQQ on 11 March. Looks like the beginning of the rapid retirement of all 16 x 767 by the end of May due to the coronavirus draw down.


    Huh. Usually they just go straight to the desert if they're being retired, or briefly to TUL.
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:48 pm

    Out of all the legacy airlines, American has the smallest fleet of 757s. When was the first one delivered?

    At least one of the former AA 757s is now owned by the US Department of Justice.
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:25 am

    What a waste. Some 763's aren't even legal in DFW yet.

    Why are no older A320's, 772's or 738's going?
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:32 am

    1989worstyear wrote:
    What a waste. Some 763's aren't even legal in DFW yet.

    Why are no older A320's, 772's or 738's going?

    What do you mean legal?

    The older 738s must be kept because of the MAX 8 grounding and the MD-83 retirement.
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:42 am

    1989worstyear wrote:
    What a waste. Some 763's aren't even legal in DFW yet.

    Why are no older A320's, 772's or 738's going?


    Because the 763s were always set to be retired before the older 772s.

    That was always the plan, they're just now accelerating it.

    The 788 will replace the 763 anyway while the new 789s will replace some 772s and A333s.
     
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    Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:47 am

    Those 767s will have Amazon livery on them shortly.
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:55 am

    blacksoviet wrote:
    1989worstyear wrote:
    What a waste. Some 763's aren't even legal in DFW yet.

    Why are no older A320's, 772's or 738's going?

    What do you mean legal?

    The older 738s must be kept because of the MAX 8 grounding and the MD-83 retirement.

    He means the legal drinking age in Texas, 21 years old.
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:09 am

    Who will buy the A333s when they are retired? They are only 20 years old.
     
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    Re: American Airlines Widebody Fleet Renewal

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:48 am

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    Didn’t see it discussed anywhere so delete if necessary.

    American currently has its most recent batch of 787s slated to replace the 767-300ER, the A330-300, and the older 777-200ERs, plus allow for modest growth. That leaves a couple dozen slightly newer 777-200ERs (the -300ERs will stay) and the A330-200, which are early 2010s builds I believe.

    What will American do down the road to replace these? They are fond of the 787 but will they put all their eggs in the 787 basket? Does the A330neo have a chance at replacing these, especially with the 330 type already at AA?


    AA opted out of their A350 purchase last year in favor of purchasing more 788s, if I'm not mistaken. I would seriously doubt that AA would purchase the A330neo, barring a push by those AA pilots rated on the 332/333.
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:12 am

    A 787 has been showing up on AA2683 DFW-SFO-DFW round trip (daily xTuesday) since March 5. AA2683 had been mostly A321/738 up until that point. I was surprised that even during this crisis, demand between DFW and SFO warranted a 788. I wonder how many other flights will see a short turn upgauge with no flights to Asia or Europe.
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:23 am

    ctrabs0114 wrote:
    A 787 has been showing up on AA2683 DFW-SFO-DFW round trip (daily xTuesday) since March 5. AA2683 had been mostly A321/738 up until that point. I was surprised that even during this crisis, demand between DFW and SFO warranted a 788. I wonder how many other flights will see a short turn upgauge with no flights to Asia or Europe.


    Very few now. The domestic widebody upgauages were due to the China cuts with the airlines banking on Spring Break travelers to fill them. That isn't happening now.
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:25 am

    What is the delivery schedule for the 788s from the last order?
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:34 am

    ctrabs0114 wrote:
    A 787 has been showing up on AA2683 DFW-SFO-DFW round trip (daily xTuesday) since March 5. AA2683 had been mostly A321/738 up until that point. I was surprised that even during this crisis, demand between DFW and SFO warranted a 788. I wonder how many other flights will see a short turn upgauge with no flights to Asia or Europe.


    Sometime last month AA was running a 772 for about a week on DFW-SFO replacing a 738.
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:04 am

    alasizon wrote:
    ctrabs0114 wrote:
    A 787 has been showing up on AA2683 DFW-SFO-DFW round trip (daily xTuesday) since March 5. AA2683 had been mostly A321/738 up until that point. I was surprised that even during this crisis, demand between DFW and SFO warranted a 788. I wonder how many other flights will see a short turn upgauge with no flights to Asia or Europe.


    Very few now. The domestic widebody upgauages were due to the China cuts with the airlines banking on Spring Break travelers to fill them. That isn't happening now.


    According to Flightradar24, a 788 is still scheduled for AA2683 through next weekend. But, yeah, I guess with demand plummeting, I guess we won't see too many oddball WB flights on AA for the foreseeable future.
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:39 am

    planecane wrote:
    What is the delivery schedule for the 788s from the last order?


    The first, N870AX, is showing "Ready for delivery", so I guess it's in AAs ballpark when they pick it up. The second, I'd guess, is probably about a month or so later. Later in the Spring they will be arriving more closely.
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:44 am

    anymaninfc wrote:
    planecane wrote:
    What is the delivery schedule for the 788s from the last order?


    The first, N870AX, is showing "Ready for delivery", so I guess it's in AAs ballpark when they pick it up. The second, I'd guess, is probably about a month or so later. Later in the Spring they will be arriving more closely.

    How are AA pilots transported to North Charleston and Everett to pick up the 788s? Do they just fly non-rev to SEA or CLT or does Boeing send a BBJ or an Embraer Legacy to ORD to pick them up?
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:57 pm

    Ishrion wrote:
    1989worstyear wrote:
    What a waste. Some 763's aren't even legal in DFW yet.

    Why are no older A320's, 772's or 738's going?


    Because the 763s were always set to be retired before the older 772s.

    That was always the plan, they're just now accelerating it.

    The 788 will replace the 763 anyway while the new 789s will replace some 772s and A333s.


    Having a small subfleet is expensive to maintain. That's why the E190s are also being retired. Plus there's a demand from cargo carriers for newer 763s so this would be a good time to get rid of them.
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:04 pm

    blacksoviet wrote:
    anymaninfc wrote:
    planecane wrote:
    What is the delivery schedule for the 788s from the last order?


    The first, N870AX, is showing "Ready for delivery", so I guess it's in AAs ballpark when they pick it up. The second, I'd guess, is probably about a month or so later. Later in the Spring they will be arriving more closely.

    How are AA pilots transported to North Charleston and Everett to pick up the 788s? Do they just fly non-rev to SEA or CLT or does Boeing send a BBJ or an Embraer Legacy to ORD to pick them up?

    If pilots need to get to Charleston they would fly into CHS.


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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:07 pm

    blacksoviet wrote:
    Who will buy the A333s when they are retired? They are only 20 years old.


    I heard on this forum that AA's A333s were previous generation and have some short comings. I can't remember exact words but I believe they are range limited. Maybe someone else could tell you more and exact, I have to do with my memory.

    Plus with the new 251T A330s and cheap second hand market for A330, I doubt there is a market for AA's A333 except for partings.

    I still believe these aircraft could fly AA's Hawaii routes instead of A321s and B757s. 9 A333 for Hawaii routes only could concentrate the mechanics and parts for this type of aircraft only in one market with one hub (PHX) and two other stations/hubs (LAX and HNL).
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:48 pm

    chonetsao wrote:
    blacksoviet wrote:
    Who will buy the A333s when they are retired? They are only 20 years old.


    I still believe these aircraft could fly AA's Hawaii routes instead of A321s and B757s. 9 A333 for Hawaii routes only could concentrate the mechanics and parts for this type of aircraft only in one market with one hub (PHX) and two other stations/hubs (LAX and HNL).


    Hmmmm, interesting idea, but I'm not so sure LIH could take a 333. Also not sure PHX-OGG/KOA has enough traffic (yet) to support a widebody.
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:01 pm

    cathay747 wrote:
    chonetsao wrote:
    blacksoviet wrote:
    Who will buy the A333s when they are retired? They are only 20 years old.


    I still believe these aircraft could fly AA's Hawaii routes instead of A321s and B757s. 9 A333 for Hawaii routes only could concentrate the mechanics and parts for this type of aircraft only in one market with one hub (PHX) and two other stations/hubs (LAX and HNL).


    Hmmmm, interesting idea, but I'm not so sure LIH could take a 333. Also not sure PHX-OGG/KOA has enough traffic (yet) to support a widebody.


    I don't know. But worth trying for HNL at least. Maybe peak time for OGG/KOA too.
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:06 am

    Guess this most recent world event buys time for the new middle as the 737 replacement.
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:32 am

    chonetsao wrote:
    blacksoviet wrote:
    Who will buy the A333s when they are retired? They are only 20 years old.


    I heard on this forum that AA's A333s were previous generation and have some short comings. I can't remember exact words but I believe they are range limited. Maybe someone else could tell you more and exact, I have to do with my memory.

    Plus with the new 251T A330s and cheap second hand market for A330, I doubt there is a market for AA's A333 except for partings.

    I still believe these aircraft could fly AA's Hawaii routes instead of A321s and B757s. 9 A333 for Hawaii routes only could concentrate the mechanics and parts for this type of aircraft only in one market with one hub (PHX) and two other stations/hubs (LAX and HNL).

    Yes, very early A330s had less range than later models (ask Aer Lingus how their older birds were sometime challenged to get from Ireland to even ORD, let alone the west coast). But AA's A330-300s also have P&W engines. P&W power is a tiny sub fleet within AA which is enough of a headache, but IIRC P&W engines on older widebodies is less desirable on the second hand market (anyone more knowledgeable confirm/refute). This all said, AA has repeatedly postponed A333 retirement over the years, as they have still shown to be useful enough. Despite their shortcomings, seems it was deemed to use them until they get closer to the end of their lifespans. Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, AA was scheduled to start retiring A333s and older AA 772s around 2023. Of course this all may be out the window now, but we will see.

    Compared to the A333s, AA's A332s have three advantages in that they are more numerous, are significantly younger and have RR power. Unless there's a good deal to sell, guessing the A332s may at most be parked (if that) but not retired.

    As a side note, about a year ago (?) AA's oldest current A320s had their retirement delayed which was apparently due to the MAX situation (AA has already retired A320s that were even more elderly [ex-HP birds]).
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:46 am

    blacksoviet wrote:
    Who will buy the six USAir 757s based at PHX?
    They were built in 1994 and 1995 so they are still a bit too young to be scrapped.

    I wonder if UA will buy some of the 767s.


    Actually there are 10 legacy USAir B757s still based in PHX.
     
    anymaninfc
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:48 am

    jgcotter wrote:
    N342AN ferried to VQQ on 11 March. Looks like the beginning of the rapid retirement of all 16 x 767 by the end of May due to the coronavirus draw down.


    Not yet...N342AN flew on to DFW today and is scheduled to PHL tomorrow.
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:50 am

    cathay747 wrote:
    Also not sure PHX-OGG/KOA has enough traffic (yet) to support a widebody.


    That's just a revenue management tweak to funnel a little more connecting traffic thru PHX instead of DFW or LAX. So long as you're not forcing extra hours of travel from backtracking, or aggressive timing causing misconnects, connecting passengers don't pay much attention to where they connect.
     
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    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

    Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:56 am

    anymaninfc wrote:
    blacksoviet wrote:
    Who will buy the six USAir 757s based at PHX?
    They were built in 1994 and 1995 so they are still a bit too young to be scrapped.

    I wonder if UA will buy some of the 767s.


    Actually there are 10 legacy USAir B757s still based in PHX.

    Only six of them were originally delivered to USAir. The rest were sold to US Airways by ATA and North American.
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