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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:30 am

tnair1974 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Who will buy the A333s when they are retired? They are only 20 years old.


I heard on this forum that AA's A333s were previous generation and have some short comings. I can't remember exact words but I believe they are range limited. Maybe someone else could tell you more and exact, I have to do with my memory.

Plus with the new 251T A330s and cheap second hand market for A330, I doubt there is a market for AA's A333 except for partings.

I still believe these aircraft could fly AA's Hawaii routes instead of A321s and B757s. 9 A333 for Hawaii routes only could concentrate the mechanics and parts for this type of aircraft only in one market with one hub (PHX) and two other stations/hubs (LAX and HNL).

Yes, very early A330s had less range than later models (ask Aer Lingus how their older birds were sometime challenged to get from Ireland to even ORD, let alone the west coast). But AA's A330-300s also have P&W engines. P&W power is a tiny sub fleet within AA which is enough of a headache, but IIRC P&W engines on older widebodies is less desirable on the second hand market (anyone more knowledgeable confirm/refute). This all said, AA has repeatedly postponed A333 retirement over the years, as they have still shown to be useful enough. Despite their shortcomings, seems it was deemed to use them until they get closer to the end of their lifespans. Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, AA was scheduled to start retiring A333s and older AA 772s around 2023. Of course this all may be out the window now, but we will see.

Compared to the A333s, AA's A332s have three advantages in that they are more numerous, are significantly younger and have RR power. Unless there's a good deal to sell, guessing the A332s may at most be parked (if that) but not retired.

As a side note, about a year ago (?) AA's oldest current A320s had their retirement delayed which was apparently due to the MAX situation (AA has already retired A320s that were even more elderly [ex-HP birds]).

We did to an upgrade to the 333s when they came in for their first HMV, put a heavy duty landing on them and some other items.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:12 am

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N342AN ferried to VQQ on 11 March. Looks like the beginning of the rapid retirement of all 16 x 767 by the end of May due to the coronavirus draw down.


Not yet...N342AN flew on to DFW today and is scheduled to PHL tomorrow.

Good catch. I wonder what took them to VQQ for three days?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:37 am

American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:51 am

Ishrion wrote:
American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.

What happened to DFW-HKG and MIA-GRU? How many 77Ws will remain in the air. The 77W is the flagship of the fleet.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:57 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.

What happened to DFW-HKG and MIA-GRU? How many 77Ws will remain in the air. The 77W is the flagship of the fleet.


DFW-HKG is suspended until July 2 while MIA-GRU is suspended until I believe May 6.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:18 am

Does the coronavirus mean we have an increased chance of getting upgraded to Business Class on the few remaining international flights?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:03 am

Ishrion wrote:
American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.


Does that means they are putting on hold the deliveries of the new 788s, the newest ones from the second batch ordered two years ago?

Speaking of the current widebody fleet:

67 777s (20 77Ws and 47 77Es)
42 787s (20 788s and 22 789s)
16 767s (all 763s)
24 A330s (9 A333s and 15 A332s)

Do the math, that's a total of 149 widebody planes in the fleet currently, 133 if you don't count the 763s. Of the 135 widebodies they are grounding, those certainly include the 16 767s now all scheduled for retirement before this summer. So that means, if my math is correct, 14 widebodies will remain in service, which is more than enough to cover the routes mentioned: DFW-LHR, DFW-NRT (3x weekly) and MIA-LHR.
Am I missing something?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:07 am

American 767 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.


Does that means they are putting on hold the deliveries of the new 788s, the newest ones from the second batch ordered two years ago?

Speaking of the current widebody fleet:

67 777s (20 77Ws and 47 77Es)
42 787s (20 788s and 22 789s)
16 767s (all 763s)
24 A330s (9 A333s and 15 A332s)

Do the math, that's a total of 149 widebody planes in the fleet currently, 133 if you don't count the 763s. Of the 135 widebodies they are grounding, those certainly include the 16 767s now all scheduled for retirement before this summer. So that means, if my math is correct, 14 widebodies will remain in service, which is more than enough to cover the routes mentioned: DFW-LHR, DFW-NRT (3x weekly) and MIA-LHR.
Am I missing something?


My bad, not sure how I missed the one digit...

So it looks like there should be some domestic widebodies continuing for now.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:19 am

American 767 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.


Does that means they are putting on hold the deliveries of the new 788s, the newest ones from the second batch ordered two years ago?

Speaking of the current widebody fleet:

67 777s (20 77Ws and 47 77Es)
42 787s (20 788s and 22 789s)
16 767s (all 763s)
24 A330s (9 A333s and 15 A332s)

Do the math, that's a total of 149 widebody planes in the fleet currently, 133 if you don't count the 763s. Of the 135 widebodies they are grounding, those certainly include the 16 767s now all scheduled for retirement before this summer. So that means, if my math is correct, 14 widebodies will remain in service, which is more than enough to cover the routes mentioned: DFW-LHR, DFW-NRT (3x weekly) and MIA-LHR.
Am I missing something?


Didn't AA just start to receive the second order of B788?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:19 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.


My bad, not sure how I missed the one digit...

So it looks like there should be some domestic widebodies continuing for now.


It would have to be that, because it's not going to take 14 frames to operate 2 daily and 1 3x weekly long-haul flights!! That should only need 3 frames, right?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:22 pm

American 767 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.


Does that means they are putting on hold the deliveries of the new 788s, the newest ones from the second batch ordered two years ago?

Speaking of the current widebody fleet:

67 777s (20 77Ws and 47 77Es)
42 787s (20 788s and 22 789s)
16 767s (all 763s)
24 A330s (9 A333s and 15 A332s)

Do the math, that's a total of 149 widebody planes in the fleet currently, 133 if you don't count the 763s. Of the 135 widebodies they are grounding, those certainly include the 16 767s now all scheduled for retirement before this summer. So that means, if my math is correct, 14 widebodies will remain in service, which is more than enough to cover the routes mentioned: DFW-LHR, DFW-NRT (3x weekly) and MIA-LHR.
Am I missing something?


Seems like you got it. Good detail of the breakdown. This is just incredible. And yeah, 14 widebodies is actually way too many needed to operate the remaining long-haul services; as I just posted, seems they'd only need 3, so as Ishrion said, they must be planning to continue some domestic widebody ops.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:41 pm

Ishrion wrote:
American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.


This is not right. AA has not suspended MIA-GRU or MIA-SCL, both widebody routes. MIA-EZE is the one suspended, as well as all routes to Argentina, DFW to SCL and GRU, LAX to GRU, reduced frequencies on the JFK-GRU route and made MIA-MVD seasonal on the Southern summer. Not sure about GIG.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:56 pm

dcajet wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.


This is not right. AA has not suspended MIA-GRU or MIA-SCL, both widebody routes. MIA-EZE is the one suspended, as well as all routes to Argentina, DFW to SCL and GRU, LAX to GRU, reduced frequencies on the JFK-GRU route and made MIA-MVD seasonal on the Southern summer. Not sure about GIG.


Both MIA-GRU and SCL are suspended until May 6.

Straight from the horse's mouth:
http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

South America, effective March 16
Suspending service from JFK and MIA to Rio de Janeiro (GIG) and Georgetown, Guyana (GEO)
Suspending service from DFW, JFK and MIA to São Paulo (GRU)
Suspending service from DFW and MIA to:
Chile: Santiago (SCL)
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:35 pm

Ishrion wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.


This is not right. AA has not suspended MIA-GRU or MIA-SCL, both widebody routes. MIA-EZE is the one suspended, as well as all routes to Argentina, DFW to SCL and GRU, LAX to GRU, reduced frequencies on the JFK-GRU route and made MIA-MVD seasonal on the Southern summer. Not sure about GIG.


Both MIA-GRU and SCL are suspended until May 6.

Straight from the horse's mouth:
http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

South America, effective March 16
Suspending service from JFK and MIA to Rio de Janeiro (GIG) and Georgetown, Guyana (GEO)
Suspending service from DFW, JFK and MIA to São Paulo (GRU)
Suspending service from DFW and MIA to:
Chile: Santiago (SCL)


My apologies, had not caught up with yesterday's additional cancellations. I stand corrected.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:51 pm

chonetsao wrote:
American 767 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.


Does that means they are putting on hold the deliveries of the new 788s, the newest ones from the second batch ordered two years ago?

Speaking of the current widebody fleet:

67 777s (20 77Ws and 47 77Es)
42 787s (20 788s and 22 789s)
16 767s (all 763s)
24 A330s (9 A333s and 15 A332s)

Do the math, that's a total of 149 widebody planes in the fleet currently, 133 if you don't count the 763s. Of the 135 widebodies they are grounding, those certainly include the 16 767s now all scheduled for retirement before this summer. So that means, if my math is correct, 14 widebodies will remain in service, which is more than enough to cover the routes mentioned: DFW-LHR, DFW-NRT (3x weekly) and MIA-LHR.
Am I missing something?


Didn't AA just start to receive the second order of B788?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_fleet

Not according to wiki, to this day March 15th 2020. Maybe they have, but wiki hasn't updated that. Wiki did update, however, the decision to accelerate the retirement of the remaining 757s and 767s, a decision made a few days ago.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:02 pm

American 767 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
American 767 wrote:

Does that means they are putting on hold the deliveries of the new 788s, the newest ones from the second batch ordered two years ago?

Speaking of the current widebody fleet:

67 777s (20 77Ws and 47 77Es)
42 787s (20 788s and 22 789s)
16 767s (all 763s)
24 A330s (9 A333s and 15 A332s)

Do the math, that's a total of 149 widebody planes in the fleet currently, 133 if you don't count the 763s. Of the 135 widebodies they are grounding, those certainly include the 16 767s now all scheduled for retirement before this summer. So that means, if my math is correct, 14 widebodies will remain in service, which is more than enough to cover the routes mentioned: DFW-LHR, DFW-NRT (3x weekly) and MIA-LHR.
Am I missing something?


Didn't AA just start to receive the second order of B788?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_fleet

Not according to wiki, to this day March 15th 2020. Maybe they have, but wiki hasn't updated that. Wiki did update, however, the decision to accelerate the retirement of the remaining 757s and 767s, a decision made a few days ago.


No, it looks like the first new 787-8, N870AX, hasn't been delivered yet.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... x#2426f96b
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:24 am

cathay747 wrote:
American 767 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.


Does that means they are putting on hold the deliveries of the new 788s, the newest ones from the second batch ordered two years ago?

Speaking of the current widebody fleet:

67 777s (20 77Ws and 47 77Es)
42 787s (20 788s and 22 789s)
16 767s (all 763s)
24 A330s (9 A333s and 15 A332s)

Do the math, that's a total of 149 widebody planes in the fleet currently, 133 if you don't count the 763s. Of the 135 widebodies they are grounding, those certainly include the 16 767s now all scheduled for retirement before this summer. So that means, if my math is correct, 14 widebodies will remain in service, which is more than enough to cover the routes mentioned: DFW-LHR, DFW-NRT (3x weekly) and MIA-LHR.
Am I missing something?


Seems like you got it. Good detail of the breakdown. This is just incredible. And yeah, 14 widebodies is actually way too many needed to operate the remaining long-haul services; as I just posted, seems they'd only need 3, so as Ishrion said, they must be planning to continue some domestic widebody ops.


My DFW-ORD day trip last week were on 789 and 788. All equipment was serving domestic cities - the furthest being HNL.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:05 am

Ishrion wrote:

No, it looks like the first new 787-8, N870AX, hasn't been delivered yet.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... x#2426f96b


Looks like it's on its way to DFW from PAE now.

Also, some earlier discussion last week was that AA might speed up Oasis. Any further confirmation on this? Are these upgrades already "paid for" or would they delay to safe cash, too?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:16 am

illinicmi wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

No, it looks like the first new 787-8, N870AX, hasn't been delivered yet.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... x#2426f96b


Looks like it's on its way to DFW from PAE now.

Also, some earlier discussion last week was that AA might speed up Oasis. Any further confirmation on this? Are these upgrades already "paid for" or would they delay to safe cash, too?


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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:35 am

A332 N282AY ferried PHL-PIT for short-term storage:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9619

A332 N285AY ferrying CLT-PIT for short-term storage:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9621
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:21 am

Now it would be a great opportunity to speed up Oasis. Especially focus on the 321! The MAX issue had slowed down things a lot.

Not sure how expensive it is though.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:54 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Now it would be a great opportunity to speed up Oasis. Especially focus on the 321! The MAX issue had slowed down things a lot.

Not sure how expensive it is though.


This was just asked and answered above a few hours ago. Airlines aren't going to spend any money during this crisis except that which is absolutely critical for immediate needs. Think of it this way...if you lost your income (which I certainly hope you don't!), would you proceed with a planned renovation project for your home? (or work on completing one that was in progress?)
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:20 pm

A333 N270AY scheduled to ferry CLT-PIT for short-term storage:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9626
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:00 am

B763 N388AA is en route SFO to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N388AA
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:36 am

2 x B772; N785AN and N790AN, are scheduled to ferry to ROW tomorrow for storage.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:41 am

772s to ROW now? Even if it is storage, thats a place not so far off in the future for the oldest frames for retirement. N770AN will be around 25 years old when 2023 rolls around
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:40 pm

B772 N785AN ferried DFW to ROW for storage.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N785AN
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:28 pm

Todays movements to TUL most likely for storage

N804AN 788 AA9653 ORD-TUL
N807AA 788 AA9659 DFW-TUL
N753AN 772 AA9654 MIA-TUL
N830AN 789 AA9668 DFW-TUL
N801AC 788 AA9655 DFW-TUL
N794AN 772 AA9651 JFK-TUL
N789AN 772 AA9656 JFK-TUL
N177AN 752 AA9672 PHL-TUL

I'm not sure where they will be parked, taxiway Bravo north of 08/26, east of 18L/36R was used for MAX storage during taxiway reconstruction last fall.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:13 pm

alasizon wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
FSDan wrote:

You'll continue to see 788s fly between hubs (perhaps even increasingly as the fleet grows and more hubs get them), and probably select other domestic routes on a seasonal basis. I don't know that AA will put them on routes as short as MIA-MCO that 763s have flown in the past, but we'll see... In particular, I'd expect to continue seeing them in SFO and LAS at least occasionally from the likes of DFW, ORD, MIA, and PHL.

How can AA fill a 763 on MIA-SFO if SFO isn’t even a hub?


Demand and connections, you don't need a hub on both ends to fill a widebody. AA also fills widebodies on PHX-HNL, PHL-SFO, CLT-PUJ, CLT-MCO, DFW-MCO, all of which don't require a widebody for the range.



Your rebuttal fails when you say you don't need hubs to fill a widebody and every example you give comes from an AA hub.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:21 pm

rbavfan wrote:
alasizon wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
How can AA fill a 763 on MIA-SFO if SFO isn’t even a hub?


Demand and connections, you don't need a hub on both ends to fill a widebody. AA also fills widebodies on PHX-HNL, PHL-SFO, CLT-PUJ, CLT-MCO, DFW-MCO, all of which don't require a widebody for the range.



Your rebuttal fails when you say you don't need hubs to fill a widebody and every example you give comes from an AA hub.


Their rebuttal says ‘you don’t need a hub on both ends,’ which is correct.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:59 pm

Ishrion wrote:
American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.


Not really as there are no flights allowed to Japan or UK right now.& DFW-NRT would take at least 2 to operate it.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:03 pm

rbavfan wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.


Not really as there are no flights allowed to Japan or UK right now.& DFW-NRT would take at least 2 to operate it.


At the time I miscounted. There are around 150 widebodies. Additionally, that post was when AA announced they would only operate three long-haul routes.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:05 pm

BigPlaneGuy13 wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
alasizon wrote:

Demand and connections, you don't need a hub on both ends to fill a widebody. AA also fills widebodies on PHX-HNL, PHL-SFO, CLT-PUJ, CLT-MCO, DFW-MCO, all of which don't require a widebody for the range.



Your rebuttal fails when you say you don't need hubs to fill a widebody and every example you give comes from an AA hub.


Their rebuttal says ‘you don’t need a hub on both ends,’ which is correct.


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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:09 pm

Has GIG been suspended?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:23 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Has GIG been suspended?


Yes. AA is only flying to NRT and LHR as its remaining long-haul destinations
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:32 am

B772 N790AN ferried JFK to ROW for storage.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N790AN
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:02 am

Are there any F100s still stored at ROW?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:53 am

AAs new A321NEO, N416AN, delivered 2-28-20, was placed into service today.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:05 pm

Todays enroute/scheduled flights to TUL for storage:

N768AN 772 AA9646 JFK-TUL
N777AN 772 AA9677 JFK-TUL
N791AN 772 AA9675 MIA-TUL
N796AN 772 AA9671 MIA-TUL
N717AN 77W AA9645 JFK-TUL
N751AN 772 AA9648 JFK-TUL
N731AN 77W AA9650 MIA-TUL
N733AR 77W AA9653 MIA-TUL
N726AN 77W AA9651 JFK-TUL
N735AT 77W AA9649 JFK-TUL
N725AN 77W AA9652 LAX-TUL

And a fresh A21N delivery from BHM, AA9707 is due today as well.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:52 pm

It should be abundantly clear why so many routes have been suspended, so please let's avoid those discussions. This thread is for discussion on the fleet, not for route suspensions.

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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:12 pm

AAs next A321NEO, N417AN, is making it's delivery flight BFM-TUL on flt# AAL9707, now, Mar. 20.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:26 pm

Can / should AA and other carriers use this time for heavy checks even if the aircraft isn't due yet?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:49 pm

AAlaxfan wrote:
Can / should AA and other carriers use this time for heavy checks even if the aircraft isn't due yet?


With what money?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:18 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
AAlaxfan wrote:
Can / should AA and other carriers use this time for heavy checks even if the aircraft isn't due yet?


With what money?

Good point. But let's say a heavy check is due by the end of 2020, why not do it now while the plane is idle vs. taking it out of service later in the year. It still has to have the work done and that money is going to be spent anyway, plus it keeps the mechanics working.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:33 pm

AAlaxfan wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
AAlaxfan wrote:
Can / should AA and other carriers use this time for heavy checks even if the aircraft isn't due yet?


With what money?

Good point. But let's say a heavy check is due by the end of 2020, why not do it now while the plane is idle vs. taking it out of service later in the year. It still has to have the work done and that money is going to be spent anyway, plus it keeps the mechanics working.

The idea is to conserve cash, heavy checks cost millions. And then you run into the problem of hangar space too. Then no work later in the year to keep the lines going.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:43 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
AAlaxfan wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

With what money?

Good point. But let's say a heavy check is due by the end of 2020, why not do it now while the plane is idle vs. taking it out of service later in the year. It still has to have the work done and that money is going to be spent anyway, plus it keeps the mechanics working.

The idea is to conserve cash, heavy checks cost millions. And then you run into the problem of hangar space too. Then no work later in the year to keep the lines going.

With the reduction in flying the check is likely to get pushed back into 2021, potentially much farther into 2021.
 
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Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:06 pm

silentbob wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
AAlaxfan wrote:
Good point. But let's say a heavy check is due by the end of 2020, why not do it now while the plane is idle vs. taking it out of service later in the year. It still has to have the work done and that money is going to be spent anyway, plus it keeps the mechanics working.

The idea is to conserve cash, heavy checks cost millions. And then you run into the problem of hangar space too. Then no work later in the year to keep the lines going.

With the reduction in flying the check is likely to get pushed back into 2021, potentially much farther into 2021.

Depends. Airbus heavy are based on dates, Boeing is usually both.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:31 pm

jgcotter wrote:
B763 N388AA is en route SFO to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N388AA


As a frequently MIA-PHL and MIA-LAS traveler I say "Good riddance" :wave:
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:58 am

row44seatk wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
B763 N388AA is en route SFO to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N388AA


As a frequently MIA-PHL and MIA-LAS traveler I say "Good riddance" :wave:


I'd go out of my way (flying domestic first) to take the 763 on MIA-PHL and MIA-LAS. Way better than the 321s.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:41 pm

Looks like five A330s moved to San Salvador SAL/MSLP in February. Are these lease returns or scheduled heavy maintenance?

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