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Curiousflyer
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:49 pm

UA748i wrote:
Some of the comments on that NYT comment board are pretty disgusting.



I would rephrase this as "a lot of passengers hate AA and it shows in the NYT comments, there must be a reason for this".

This is a great occasion for them to return their 737 Max, as part of a fleet streamlining. But I am not sure they will have the balls to do it, when they need to please the government.

It is however striking to see how little hope they have to see traffic recovering anytime soon with all those retirements. Reconstituting their huge fleet with new aircraft after retiring so many older ones would take at least five years, do they even have aircraft on order?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:00 pm

Curiousflyer wrote:
UA748i wrote:
Some of the comments on that NYT comment board are pretty disgusting.



I would rephrase this as "a lot of passengers hate AA and it shows in the NYT comments, there must be a reason for this".

This is a great occasion for them to return their 737 Max, as part of a fleet streamlining. But I am not sure they will have the balls to do it, when they need to please the government.

It is however striking to see how little hope they have to see traffic recovering anytime soon with all those retirements. Reconstituting their huge fleet with new aircraft after retiring so many older ones would take at least five years, do they even have aircraft on order?


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UA748i
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:04 pm

Curiousflyer wrote:
UA748i wrote:
Some of the comments on that NYT comment board are pretty disgusting.



This is a great occasion for them to return their 737 Max, as part of a fleet streamlining. But I am not sure they will have the balls to do it, when they need to please the government.


Considering that (I think it was) 40x MAX 8s were deferred indefinitely, and that growth in the near term is stifled, AA approaching AS and inquiring about their 30x A320neos would be a lower risk alternative to the MAX. Perhaps even a trade (if that is possible?) Get rid of the ones currently built and use the deferred slots for something else from Boeing (787s?)

As a frontline employee, discussion with customers about the MAX has revealed that the majority of them would avoid the aircraft. Personally, I believe other aircraft should be highly consider. I think the projected A220-500 would be a fantastic domestic workhorse for AA.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:19 pm

UA748i wrote:
Curiousflyer wrote:
UA748i wrote:
Some of the comments on that NYT comment board are pretty disgusting.



This is a great occasion for them to return their 737 Max, as part of a fleet streamlining. But I am not sure they will have the balls to do it, when they need to please the government.


Considering that (I think it was) 40x MAX 8s were deferred indefinitely, and that growth in the near term is stifled, AA approaching AS and inquiring about their 30x A320neos would be a lower risk alternative to the MAX. Perhaps even a trade (if that is possible?) Get rid of the ones currently built and use the deferred slots for something else from Boeing (787s?)

As a frontline employee, discussion with customers about the MAX has revealed that the majority of them would avoid the aircraft. Personally, I believe other aircraft should be highly consider. I think the projected A220-500 would be a fantastic domestic workhorse for AA.


Honestly.... when people start flying again, they'll be more concerned that the aircraft is germ free than the plane type.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:38 pm

More aircraft slated to enter PIT tomorrow for storage:

AA9609 PHX-PIT 320
AA9610 PHX-PIT A320 N657AW
AA9611 PHX-PIT A320 N655AW
AA9612 PHL-PIT A319 N713UW
AA9613 EWR-PIT A321 N538UW
AA9614 DCA-PIT A319 N826AW
AA9615 PHL-PIT A320 N649AW
AA9617 PHX-PIT A320 N661AW
AA9618 DEN-PIT A320 N654AW
AA9619 ORD-PIT A321 N188US
AA9620 PHL-PIT A320 N122US
AA9621 PHL-PIT 319
AA9622 CLT-PIT A321 N979UY
AA9623 DCA-PIT A320 N650AW
AA9641 PHL-PIT E190 N953UW
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:56 pm

Sooner787 wrote:
UA748i wrote:
Curiousflyer wrote:

This is a great occasion for them to return their 737 Max, as part of a fleet streamlining. But I am not sure they will have the balls to do it, when they need to please the government.


Considering that (I think it was) 40x MAX 8s were deferred indefinitely, and that growth in the near term is stifled, AA approaching AS and inquiring about their 30x A320neos would be a lower risk alternative to the MAX. Perhaps even a trade (if that is possible?) Get rid of the ones currently built and use the deferred slots for something else from Boeing (787s?)

As a frontline employee, discussion with customers about the MAX has revealed that the majority of them would avoid the aircraft. Personally, I believe other aircraft should be highly consider. I think the projected A220-500 would be a fantastic domestic workhorse for AA.


Honestly.... when people start flying again, they'll be more concerned that the aircraft is germ free than the plane type.


This right here, the max is now old and irrelevant news to folks now.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:54 am

AA9624 ORD-PIT A321 N192UW
AA9626 CLT-PIT A321 N521UW
AA9657 JFK-PIT A321 N110AN
AA9670 DCA-PIT A321 N133AN
AA9671 DFW-PIT A321 N119NN
AA9673 DFW-PIT A321 N125AA
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:25 pm

They have installed power ports on almost all A320s in the past 10-11 months. Good job.

I don't understand why right after the merger around 2013-2016 they couldn't do the same with the LUS 321. They could have installed power ports at every seat in less than a year. I know they didn't do it because they were planning a full retrofit, but look at where we are now. It is 2020 and they have retrofitted only 3 LUS 321. Had they done a simple power port installation back in 2014-2015 when they did all the 319s, all the 321s would have had power ports for the past 5-6 years now. The investment would totally be worth it even if you eventually have to strip everything for the Oasis retrofit. Who knows how long it will take now for retrofits to start again.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:01 pm

Is AA9643 PHL-ROW B752 a retirement flight?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9643
 
JohanTally
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:10 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Is AA9643 PHL-ROW B752 a retirement flight?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9643


AA announced the 757s will be stored and could return to service if demand recovers faster than expected. A few might be officially retired/scrapped but most will be in long-term storage.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:14 pm

Runway28L wrote:
More aircraft slated to enter PIT tomorrow for storage:

AA9609 PHX-PIT 320
AA9610 PHX-PIT A320 N657AW
AA9611 PHX-PIT A320 N655AW
AA9612 PHL-PIT A319 N713UW
AA9613 EWR-PIT A321 N538UW
AA9614 DCA-PIT A319 N826AW
AA9615 PHL-PIT A320 N649AW
AA9617 PHX-PIT A320 N661AW
AA9618 DEN-PIT A320 N654AW
AA9619 ORD-PIT A321 N188US
AA9620 PHL-PIT A320 N122US
AA9621 PHL-PIT 319
AA9622 CLT-PIT A321 N979UY
AA9623 DCA-PIT A320 N650AW
AA9641 PHL-PIT E190 N953UW


Wonder how much life those A320s have left.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:24 pm

asuflyer wrote:
Video of TUL with all the AA ac stored.
https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/stat ... 4898572298

The following aircraft are being retired at ROW today.
763: N390AA, N391AA, N396AN, N399AN N343AN N344AN N346AN N350AN
752: N175AN, N692AN,
E90: N949UW, N956UW N957UW

N394AN which was previously retired is being ferried to ILN before cargo refit for CAM.


Amazing video. Someone commented "better hope there are no tornadoes" in TUL during this time. I'd say they're more than correct.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:16 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Is AA9643 PHL-ROW B752 a retirement flight?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9643

Yes it’s being retired.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:25 pm

JohanTally wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Is AA9643 PHL-ROW B752 a retirement flight?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9643


AA announced the 757s will be stored and could return to service if demand recovers faster than expected. A few might be officially retired/scrapped but most will be in long-term storage.


Does that apply to both the LAA and LUS 757s?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:02 am

airzona11 wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
More aircraft slated to enter PIT tomorrow for storage:

AA9609 PHX-PIT 320
AA9610 PHX-PIT A320 N657AW
AA9611 PHX-PIT A320 N655AW
AA9612 PHL-PIT A319 N713UW
AA9613 EWR-PIT A321 N538UW
AA9614 DCA-PIT A319 N826AW
AA9615 PHL-PIT A320 N649AW
AA9617 PHX-PIT A320 N661AW
AA9618 DEN-PIT A320 N654AW
AA9619 ORD-PIT A321 N188US
AA9620 PHL-PIT A320 N122US
AA9621 PHL-PIT 319
AA9622 CLT-PIT A321 N979UY
AA9623 DCA-PIT A320 N650AW
AA9641 PHL-PIT E190 N953UW


Wonder how much life those A320s have left.

I don't know of the cycles/hours of older AA A320s. But looks like the oldest active AA A320s (before the pandemic anyway) are from 1997 up (a batch of even older AA A320s have already been retired to GYR for scrapping). Any reliability issues aside, I would guess they still have a good number of cycles/hours left. In comparison, the oldest current DL A320 was built in 1990; before the pandemic, DL was apparently not looking at retiring older A320s until roughly the 2023 timeframe.

About a year(?) ago AA's oldest current A320s had their retirement postponed, apparently due to the MAX groundings.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:18 am

N649DL wrote:
asuflyer wrote:
Video of TUL with all the AA ac stored.
https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/stat ... 4898572298

The following aircraft are being retired at ROW today.
763: N390AA, N391AA, N396AN, N399AN N343AN N344AN N346AN N350AN
752: N175AN, N692AN,
E90: N949UW, N956UW N957UW

N394AN which was previously retired is being ferried to ILN before cargo refit for CAM.


Amazing video. Someone commented "better hope there are no tornadoes" in TUL during this time. I'd say they're more than correct.

In 1948, Tinker AFB at nearby Oklahoma City was hit by not one but two tornadoes. Numerous military aircraft and other equipment/structures were damaged or destroyed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Tink ... _tornadoes

A thunderstorm producing grapefruit size hail over stored aircraft would be a big headache in itself.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:25 am

List of aircraft being stored at PIT, subject to change as many of these are only scheduled so far and flights are still being added last-minute.

E190
N944UW N945UW N946UW N947UW N948UW N950UW
N952UW N953UW N958UW N961UW N963UW N965UW
N967UW

A319
N703UW N713UW N732US N807AW N808AW N810AW N814AW N818AW N819AW N825AW N826AW N829AW N833AW N8001N N9002U N8009T N9016 N70020 N9621H N9022G

A320
N122US N649AW N650AW N654AW N655AW N657AW
N668AW

A321
N162UW N169UW N188US N192UW N193UW N107NN N110AN N112AN N119NN N120EE N125AA N133AN N521UW N537UW N538UW N539UW N560UW N583UW N584UW N918US N920US N979UY

A321neo
N402AN N406AN

A330-200
N281AY N282AY N285AY N286AY N292AY

A330-300
N270AY
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:47 am

I have seen pictures from TUL of stored aircraft, anyone have photos from PIT?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:24 am

American 767 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American Airlines is grounding 135 WIDEBODY aircraft... if you count the 763s, there are currently 139 widebody aircraft in AA’s fleet, meaning only 4 widebody aircraft will be in service to fly the only three long-haul routes that will be served: DFW-LHR/NRT and MIA-LHR.


Does that means they are putting on hold the deliveries of the new 788s, the newest ones from the second batch ordered two years ago?

Speaking of the current widebody fleet:

67 777s (20 77Ws and 47 77Es)
42 787s (20 788s and 22 789s)
16 767s (all 763s)
24 A330s (9 A333s and 15 A332s)

Do the math, that's a total of 149 widebody planes in the fleet currently, 133 if you don't count the 763s. Of the 135 widebodies they are grounding, those certainly include the 16 767s now all scheduled for retirement before this summer. So that means, if my math is correct, 14 widebodies will remain in service, which is more than enough to cover the routes mentioned: DFW-LHR, DFW-NRT (3x weekly) and MIA-LHR.
Am I missing something?

American uses widebodies on flights like, PHL-SFO, LAX, MCO, CLT, CUN, SJU, PHX
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:53 am

Runway28L wrote:
List of aircraft being stored at PIT, subject to change as many of these are only scheduled so far and flights are still being added last-minute.

E190
N944UW N945UW N946UW N947UW N948UW N950UW
N952UW N953UW N958UW N961UW N963UW N965UW
N967UW

A319
N703UW N713UW N732US N807AW N808AW N810AW N814AW N818AW N819AW N825AW N826AW N829AW N833AW N8001N N9002U N8009T N9016 N70020 N9621H N9022G

A320
N122US N649AW N650AW N654AW N655AW N657AW
N668AW

A321
N162UW N169UW N188US N192UW N193UW N107NN N110AN N112AN N119NN N120EE N125AA N133AN N521UW N537UW N538UW N539UW N560UW N583UW N584UW N918US N920US N979UY

A321neo
N402AN N406AN

A330-200
N281AY N282AY N285AY N286AY N292AY

A330-300
N270AY


Runway28L, do you know if there is a list available for aircraft parked at TUL? and ROW (parked, not retired)?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:10 am

FSDan wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Is AA9643 PHL-ROW B752 a retirement flight?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9643


AA announced the 757s will be stored and could return to service if demand recovers faster than expected. A few might be officially retired/scrapped but most will be in long-term storage.


Does that apply to both the LAA and LUS 757s?


The statement I saw did not differentiate between LUS and LAA. N184AN flew to ROW yesterday but it is not one of the oldest in the fleet so I feel that it could be stored for now and then determine it's fate.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:13 am

JohanTally wrote:
FSDan wrote:
JohanTally wrote:

AA announced the 757s will be stored and could return to service if demand recovers faster than expected. A few might be officially retired/scrapped but most will be in long-term storage.


Does that apply to both the LAA and LUS 757s?


The statement I saw did not differentiate between LUS and LAA. N184AN flew to ROW yesterday but it is not one of the oldest in the fleet so I feel that it could be stored for now and then determine it's fate.


As best I can figure, only N938UW and N203UW from LUS remain active...excepting N206UW and N207UW, both undergoing maint. at BFM.
Likewise on the LAA side, N191AN and N175AN remain active. I suspect those four may be parked tomorrow, and N206UW and N207UW parked when they emerge from maint.
Note: these are just my beliefs, I have no inside sources.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:10 am

204 ferried to ROS for retirement yesterday
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:20 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
FSDan wrote:

Does that apply to both the LAA and LUS 757s?


The statement I saw did not differentiate between LUS and LAA. N184AN flew to ROW yesterday but it is not one of the oldest in the fleet so I feel that it could be stored for now and then determine it's fate.


As best I can figure, only N938UW and N203UW from LUS remain active...excepting N206UW and N207UW, both undergoing maint. at BFM.
Likewise on the LAA side, N191AN and N175AN remain active. I suspect those four may be parked tomorrow, and N206UW and N207UW parked when they emerge from maint.
Note: these are just my beliefs, I have no inside sources.


Do you happen to know the status of N205UW? I just flew that ship back in Sept. and figured it was likely my last-ever flight on a 757. Just curious what's happened to it as I've not seen that ship # listed anywhere yet.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:35 pm

cathay747 wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
JohanTally wrote:

The statement I saw did not differentiate between LUS and LAA. N184AN flew to ROW yesterday but it is not one of the oldest in the fleet so I feel that it could be stored for now and then determine it's fate.


As best I can figure, only N938UW and N203UW from LUS remain active...excepting N206UW and N207UW, both undergoing maint. at BFM.
Likewise on the LAA side, N191AN and N175AN remain active. I suspect those four may be parked tomorrow, and N206UW and N207UW parked when they emerge from maint.
Note: these are just my beliefs, I have no inside sources.


Do you happen to know the status of N205UW? I just flew that ship back in Sept. and figured it was likely my last-ever flight on a 757. Just curious what's happened to it as I've not seen that ship # listed anywhere yet.

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https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N20 ... /KPHX/KROW
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:01 pm

This is **SPECULATION ONLY** but some of AA's 777s and 737s are over 20 years old now, what are the chances some of these first frames will never return to service?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:15 pm

AA747123 wrote:
This is **SPECULATION ONLY** but some of AA's 777s and 737s are over 20 years old now, what are the chances some of these first frames will never return to service?


All depends on how fast service rebounds, but probably a chance for a few aircraft. I think domestic service will come back faster than international, so maybe odds are greater for some 772s to sit. Although, the 772 and 737 will probably start up again before the 767 (obviously), 757, E190, or 333.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:21 pm

AA747123 wrote:
This is **SPECULATION ONLY** but some of AA's 777s and 737s are over 20 years old now, what are the chances some of these first frames will never return to service?


Twenty years old isn't old for AA/DL/UA. They have - in the last decade - routinely operated hundreds of aircraft older than that. If oil stays cheap after the virus effect diminishes - maybe because the Russians and Saudis are still fighting it out, or because the Canadian government is paying Albertans to pump completely uneconomic tar sands oil - old aircraft may have life yet,
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:51 pm

AA747123 wrote:
This is **SPECULATION ONLY** but some of AA's 777s and 737s are over 20 years old now, what are the chances some of these first frames will never return to service?


I think its probably best to retain the 737-800 for now. The older 777-200ER are due to go in three years anyway, so Id say they are more susceptible
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:00 pm

AA sent two more B737-800's to ROW today, Mar.27, acft N909AN and N913AN.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:06 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
AA sent two more B737-800's to ROW today, Mar.27, acft N909AN and N913AN.


Looks like these are both 20 years old.

How old are their oldest 738s, and are there any other 738s at ROW for storage?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:06 pm

Have the A330-300s flown their last flights or should we expect them to return? What would happen to hubs like PHL and CLT that are reliant on them?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:10 pm

alpine1989 wrote:
Looks like five A330s moved to San Salvador SAL/MSLP in February. Are these lease returns or scheduled heavy maintenance?

Alpine1989


Scheduled maintenance.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:13 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Have the A330-300s flown their last flights or should we expect them to return? What would happen to hubs like PHL and CLT that are reliant on them?


So far, only one, N270AY, has been placed into storage at PIT. Further plans for this sub-fleet are unknown at this time.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:19 pm

illinicmi wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
AA sent two more B737-800's to ROW today, Mar.27, acft N909AN and N913AN.


Looks like these are both 20 years old.

How old are their oldest 738s, and are there any other 738s at ROW for storage?


Oldest B737-800 is N901AN, delivered 7-2-99. I've only seen seven B737-800 go to ROW, but I believe these are retirements, not storage.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:33 pm

AA747123 wrote:
This is **SPECULATION ONLY** but some of AA's 777s and 737s are over 20 years old now, what are the chances some of these first frames will never return to service?


The first tranche of 738s was supposed to be gone by now anyway, but they were kept on filling in for the MAX debacle. Looks like the early ones have about 60,000 hours on them, so plenty of life for freighter conversion.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:54 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
illinicmi wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
AA sent two more B737-800's to ROW today, Mar.27, acft N909AN and N913AN.


Looks like these are both 20 years old.

How old are their oldest 738s, and are there any other 738s at ROW for storage?


Oldest B737-800 is N901AN, delivered 7-2-99. I've only seen seven B737-800 go to ROW, but I believe these are retirements, not storage.


Thanks, that's what I was getting at. If any 738s are going to ROW, I'm guessing odds are they will be retired instead of stored, especially if they are older.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:52 pm

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but with the arrival of AA1797 (N191AN) into LAS last evening it appears as if 757 service at AA has ceased - at least for now.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:21 pm

Qantas59 wrote:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but with the arrival of AA1797 (N191AN) into LAS last evening it appears as if 757 service at AA has ceased - at least for now.


Looks like one 757 ferry from BFM to ROW tomorrow, and a whole pile of 20+ year old 738s scheduled tomorrow, too.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:13 am

Anymaninfc, I don't have a list for ROW or TUL available. Apologies.

Updated list for PIT as of today. Starred "*" ones I missed or were ferried in on short notice.

E190
N944UW N945UW N946UW N947UW N948UW N950UW N951UW* N952UW N953UW N954UW* N958UW N961UW N963UW N965UW N967UW

A319
N703UW N709UW* N713UW N732US N806AW* N807AW N808AW N810AW N814AW N815AW* N818AW N819AW N821AW* N825AW N826AW N829AW N833AW N8001N N9002U N8009T N9016 N70020 N9621H N9022G N12028*

A320
N122US N649AW N650AW N654AW N655AW N657AW N668AW N679AW*

A321
N162UW N169UW N188US N192UW N193UW N107NN N110AN N112AN N116AN* N119NN N120EE N125AA N133AN N521UW N537UW N538UW N539UW N560UW N580UW* N583UW N584UW N918US N919US* N920US N921US* N979UY

A321neo
N402AN N406AN N409AA* N416AN*

A330-200
N281AY N282AY N285AY N286AY N292AY

A330-300
N270AY
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:24 am

A few hours ago Tulsa experienced a hailstorm that produced hail the size of a tennis ball. The storm affected nearby Owasso which is directly north of the Tulsa International Airport. It is not known at this time if any ac were damaged. Nevertheless this is only the beginning of the severe weather season in Tulsa.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:02 am

Can AA pickup some A321NEO returned by Interjet Mexico this days ?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:46 am

danipawa wrote:
Can AA pickup some A321NEO returned by Interjet Mexico this days ?


AA still has 53 A321NEOs on order, plus 50 A321XLRs. I know most airlines like to maintain configuration control of their fleets, plus there is unplanned expense when switching aircraft from one airline's maintenance program to another airline's program. For those reasons, plus others I may not be aware of, I doubt there would be interest by AA in taking on Interjet aircraft.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:19 am

I wonder with all of the fleet retirements how many Eagle aircraft will have to be taken out of service due to pilot scope?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:37 am

Idiots. That's why you don't park in the midwest and southeast (hello Delta with all the planes at BHM). Get them out to MHV, GYR, ROW, MZJ still has room.

asuflyer wrote:
A few hours ago Tulsa experienced a hailstorm that produced hail the size of a tennis ball. The storm affected nearby Owasso which is directly north of the Tulsa International Airport. It is not known at this time if any ac were damaged. Nevertheless this is only the beginning of the severe weather season in Tulsa.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:41 am

Looks like 10 more 737's are planned to ferry to ROW today.
N917AN, N914AN, N905AN, N915AN, N916AN, N926AN, N906AN, N902AN, N920AN, N927AN.
Guessing there will be more throughout the week.

Also, TUL is getting quite a few 737's today: N920NN, N335PH, N989AN, N871NN, N990AN, N971NN, N891NN, N991AN.
I believe quite a few of these are going in for heavy maintenance, but some are going for storage. Notably, none of the 737's going to TUL so far are the late 90's/early 2000's builds (2nd batch of deliveries started in 2009), which so far are being stored in ROW.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:39 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:

As best I can figure, only N938UW and N203UW from LUS remain active...excepting N206UW and N207UW, both undergoing maint. at BFM.
Likewise on the LAA side, N191AN and N175AN remain active. I suspect those four may be parked tomorrow, and N206UW and N207UW parked when they emerge from maint.
Note: these are just my beliefs, I have no inside sources.


Do you happen to know the status of N205UW? I just flew that ship back in Sept. and figured it was likely my last-ever flight on a 757. Just curious what's happened to it as I've not seen that ship # listed anywhere yet.

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https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N20 ... /KPHX/KROW


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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:41 pm

illinicmi wrote:
AA747123 wrote:
This is **SPECULATION ONLY** but some of AA's 777s and 737s are over 20 years old now, what are the chances some of these first frames will never return to service?


All depends on how fast service rebounds, but probably a chance for a few aircraft. I think domestic service will come back faster than international, so maybe odds are greater for some 772s to sit. Although, the 772 and 737 will probably start up again before the 767 (obviously), 757, E190, or 333.


Friend, the 763's are toast. Those aren't being stored, they've been retired earlier than planned. Kaput.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:44 pm

n7371f wrote:
Idiots. That's why you don't park in the midwest and southeast (hello Delta with all the planes at BHM). Get them out to MHV, GYR, ROW, MZJ still has room.

asuflyer wrote:
A few hours ago Tulsa experienced a hailstorm that produced hail the size of a tennis ball. The storm affected nearby Owasso which is directly north of the Tulsa International Airport. It is not known at this time if any ac were damaged. Nevertheless this is only the beginning of the severe weather season in Tulsa.


Yep...I didn't think about hail when I posted earlier about the danger of tornado's wiping out a large # of aircraft in one swoop. But I bet a big factor in AA using TUL as a parking lot is cost...I bet they don't have to pay anything at TUL...or if so, it's probably a small fraction of what they'd have to pay at one of the desert locales.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:51 pm

I saw a few people on Twitter last night saying the 757s are now being retired, not just stored. Has anyone else heard this? Nothing like taking taking off in a 757.

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