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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:24 pm

Tulsa should be busy for a while... Showing 14 772s, 15 NGs, 5 757s, 9 77Ws, 7 788s, and 12 789s going out of service this morning for hail inspections.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:38 pm

It would appear that the airlines are bracing for a very slow return of flying. There could be an acceleration of retirement for older 738s, all 757s, A320s, E190s, 333s and older 772s. AA will cut capacity by 80% for May.

While business travel may return to some normal level leisure travel at least for the remainder of this year if not 2021 might be in the dumps. All these a/c won't be needed.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:49 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
It would appear that the airlines are bracing for a very slow return of flying. There could be an acceleration of retirement for older 738s, all 757s, A320s, E190s, 333s and older 772s. AA will cut capacity by 80% for May.

While business travel may return to some normal level leisure travel at least for the remainder of this year if not 2021 might be in the dumps. All these a/c won't be needed.


Nobody knows what will happen. It all depends on how quickly the virus gets under control. I'd actually suspect that leisure travel comes back faster. Businesses will be in cost control mode for a while as the economy grows again from the bottom. Many people that had to cancel leisure trips will want to have a "make up trip." Also after being forced to basically stay home for weeks or months there will be a desire to go somewhere.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:03 pm

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100 737s already have Oasis interiors...

And according to the site, N191AN is the only 757 that isn’t retired? So is American actually retiring all 757s?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:10 pm

Speaking of Oasis did AA delay the A321 oasis before virus?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:01 pm

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Speaking of Oasis did AA delay the A321 oasis before virus?


Can't speak for the A321's, but a number of 737's are currently in GSO that ferried there as recently as this past week; this is one of the stations where the modifications are done, but I suspect at least some of these are simply there for storage.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:05 pm

Ishrion wrote:
miaami wrote:


100 737s already have Oasis interiors...

And according to the site, N191AN is the only 757 that isn’t retired? So is American actually retiring all 757s?


If they didn't go to ROW there is a fair chance they will soldier on. I do think the LUS 752's are done.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:18 pm

catdaddy63 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
miaami wrote:


100 737s already have Oasis interiors...

And according to the site, N191AN is the only 757 that isn’t retired? So is American actually retiring all 757s?


If they didn't go to ROW there is a fair chance they will soldier on. I do think the LUS 752's are done.


I'm counting 8 LAA B757s at either TUL or BFM, plus N191AN. Guess time will tell whether or not they are utilized again.
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:54 pm

Boof02671 wrote:


I believe those two were LUS, acft N206UW and N207UW, not included in the number I counted.

Included in my count are: N172AJ, N173AN, N176AA, N177AN, N187AN, N188AN, N190AA, N191AN (at LAS) and N195AN.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:59 pm

What about the insurance of those aircrafts, are they hung?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:56 pm

The speed at which air travel returns sort of depends on who you are. Employees in businesses which have have suffered through little or no effects will get back to traveling. My wife works for a financial services firm. Management has said that they anticipate no lay-offs, as long as financial markets remain open.

If a leisure flyer hasn't seen a loss of income, he is probably looking to travel this summer, since airlines, cruise lines, hotels, rental car, etc. will probably offer value pricing. My son tells me that many of his friends have had family vacations for spring break canceled, and they are now planning summer vacations.

It will be businesses affected by COVID-19, such as retail, restaurants, and consumer goods manufacturing, that will probably be restrained with travel for the rest of 2020 and possibly the first half of 2021.

Of course, anyone who has lost a job or had hours cut due to COVID-19 will not be traveling, absent a death or family emergency. That could very well last well into 2021 or even 2022.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:58 am

row44seatk wrote:
jgcotter wrote:
B763 N388AA is en route SFO to ROW for retirement.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N388AA


As a frequently MIA-PHL and MIA-LAS traveler I say "Good riddance" :wave:


I'm inclined to agree, since I wasn't as overwhelmed with the 763 when I flew PHL-MIA last summer as I was with the 788 (though I'm glad I got to cross a 767 off my "bucket list" of planes I'd love to fly on).
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:34 am

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n7371f wrote:
Idiots. That's why you don't park in the midwest and southeast (hello Delta with all the planes at BHM). Get them out to MHV, GYR, ROW, MZJ still has room.

asuflyer wrote:
A few hours ago Tulsa experienced a hailstorm that produced hail the size of a tennis ball. The storm affected nearby Owasso which is directly north of the Tulsa International Airport. It is not known at this time if any ac were damaged. Nevertheless this is only the beginning of the severe weather season in Tulsa.


Yep...I didn't think about hail when I posted earlier about the danger of tornado's wiping out a large # of aircraft in one swoop. But I bet a big factor in AA using TUL as a parking lot is cost...I bet they don't have to pay anything at TUL...or if so, it's probably a small fraction of what they'd have to pay at one of the desert locales.


Having a MX base at TUL certainly helps as well; same with PIT.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:44 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
n7371f wrote:
Idiots. That's why you don't park in the midwest and southeast (hello Delta with all the planes at BHM). Get them out to MHV, GYR, ROW, MZJ still has room.



Yep...I didn't think about hail when I posted earlier about the danger of tornado's wiping out a large # of aircraft in one swoop. But I bet a big factor in AA using TUL as a parking lot is cost...I bet they don't have to pay anything at TUL...or if so, it's probably a small fraction of what they'd have to pay at one of the desert locales.


Having a MX base at TUL certainly helps as well; same with PIT.


That's why I said what I did about TUL.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:01 pm

Looks like AA sent another five B737-800s to ROW for retirement. I believe they have 77 of the 1999-2001 vintage -800s, of which they have retired 22 in the last week.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:23 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
Looks like AA sent another five B737-800s to ROW for retirement. I believe they have 77 of the 1999-2001 vintage -800s, of which they have retired 22 in the last week.

They are also storing planes at ROS, doesn’t necessarily mean they are being retired.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:32 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
Looks like AA sent another five B737-800s to ROW for retirement. I believe they have 77 of the 1999-2001 vintage -800s, of which they have retired 22 in the last week.

They are also storing planes at ROS, doesn’t necessarily mean they are being retired.


True, my statements are mere speculation...about these high time acft which are not receiving the new seats or overhead storage bins.,,except AA has stated they were going to start parking these aircraft...but again, I am merely speculating.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:38 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
Looks like AA sent another five B737-800s to ROW for retirement. I believe they have 77 of the 1999-2001 vintage -800s, of which they have retired 22 in the last week.

They are also storing planes at ROS, doesn’t necessarily mean they are being retired.


True, my statements are mere speculation...about these high time acft which are not receiving the new seats or overhead storage bins.,,except AA has stated they were going to start parking these aircraft...but again, I am merely speculating.


The 20 that were originally going to be retired at end of year were pushed back indefinitely (in part due to NEO and MAX delays but also plans for domestic growth) so I highly doubt that they are being retired, ROW is just being used for storage right now and the only real retirements right now are the 767s.
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:40 pm

And some of the 757s and all the 190s
 
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:46 pm

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And some of the 757s and all the 190s


Officially the 190s are just listed as parked I believe. My understanding is the pilots have not been given the option to transfer to another equipment type which would be required if the fleet was actually fully labeled as retired.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:51 pm

The company has stated they are retired. They are waiting for the dust to settle on the 600 early retirements, and VLOAs to see what will be required of who is moving to what fleet once the dust settles.
 
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:28 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
The company has stated they are retired. They are waiting for the dust to settle on the 600 early retirements, and VLOAs to see what will be required of who is moving to what fleet once the dust settles.


As someone who's employeed with MQ, I am getting very little information on the matter.

Do you have any sources or breakdowns on retirements besides other employees? :O
 
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:37 pm

Your Envoy nor mainline. I have sources on the Association side.

Isom put out a new video, looks like they are working on a buyout for all groups, and there is one in each Association contract.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:54 pm

alasizon wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
They are also storing planes at ROS, doesn’t necessarily mean they are being retired.


True, my statements are mere speculation...about these high time acft which are not receiving the new seats or overhead storage bins.,,except AA has stated they were going to start parking these aircraft...but again, I am merely speculating.


The 20 that were originally going to be retired at end of year were pushed back indefinitely (in part due to NEO and MAX delays but also plans for domestic growth) so I highly doubt that they are being retired, ROW is just being used for storage right now and the only real retirements right now are the 767s.


Yeah, I'd be shocked if those were actually retired. AA's long range fleet plan anticipated there being nearly 50 MAXes on property right now and clearly there isn't. I don't see those 738s going anywhere permanently until AA has a better idea what the economic recovery from this disaster is going to look like.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:53 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
alasizon wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:

True, my statements are mere speculation...about these high time acft which are not receiving the new seats or overhead storage bins.,,except AA has stated they were going to start parking these aircraft...but again, I am merely speculating.


The 20 that were originally going to be retired at end of year were pushed back indefinitely (in part due to NEO and MAX delays but also plans for domestic growth) so I highly doubt that they are being retired, ROW is just being used for storage right now and the only real retirements right now are the 767s.


Yeah, I'd be shocked if those were actually retired. AA's long range fleet plan anticipated there being nearly 50 MAXes on property right now and clearly there isn't. I don't see those 738s going anywhere permanently until AA has a better idea what the economic recovery from this disaster is going to look like.


I wouldn't be surprised if AA reversed course again on these 738s... If they were initially kept in service longer than planned due to the MAX grounding and AA's desire to keep growing in the short term, then in my opinion the necessity for keeping them is now gone. AA should retire them now, and then hopefully by the time they're looking to grow again they'll start receiving MAXs once more. Depending on how things go at Boeing, AA may even start receiving MAXs again before they want to be in growth mode...
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:45 am

A332 N290AY scheduled to ferry CLT-PIT tomorrow to be parked.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9614
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:50 am

anymaninfc wrote:
Looks like AA sent another five B737-800s to ROW for retirement. I believe they have 77 of the 1999-2001 vintage -800s, of which they have retired 22 in the last week.


Counting at this time of the day (5:45 pm, PST), the numbers reflect a total of twelve B737-800s parked at ROW today, for who-knows-what reason, with a total of 29 parked in the last week.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:05 am

FSDan wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
alasizon wrote:

The 20 that were originally going to be retired at end of year were pushed back indefinitely (in part due to NEO and MAX delays but also plans for domestic growth) so I highly doubt that they are being retired, ROW is just being used for storage right now and the only real retirements right now are the 767s.


Yeah, I'd be shocked if those were actually retired. AA's long range fleet plan anticipated there being nearly 50 MAXes on property right now and clearly there isn't. I don't see those 738s going anywhere permanently until AA has a better idea what the economic recovery from this disaster is going to look like.


I wouldn't be surprised if AA reversed course again on these 738s... If they were initially kept in service longer than planned due to the MAX grounding and AA's desire to keep growing in the short term, then in my opinion the necessity for keeping them is now gone. AA should retire them now, and then hopefully by the time they're looking to grow again they'll start receiving MAXs once more. Depending on how things go at Boeing, AA may even start receiving MAXs again before they want to be in growth mode...

I suppose part of the question is how much does it cost to retire them now, how much would it cost to make that decision in two months, and how much visibility do they have to the MAX return to service?

Presumably retirement would involve work that costs $ and risks human contact, which would be better to avoid until later.
If the MAX is back in service within 6 months for sure these aircraft are surplus to requirements.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:24 am

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I suppose part of the question is how much does it cost to retire them now, how much would it cost to make that decision in two months, and how much visibility do they have to the MAX return to service?

Presumably retirement would involve work that costs $ and risks human contact, which would be better to avoid until later.
If the MAX is back in service within 6 months for sure these aircraft are surplus to requirements.


Agreed, but I don't think it's coincidence these were "parked" in ROW as opposed to other sites where AA is parking aircraft. I'll bet they at least suspect these planes may not be needed again.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:23 am

Looks like 4 A333's will be headed to ROW for storage over the next 2 days: 271, 273, 276 and 277.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:32 pm

The economy will soon be toast. Air travel won't see very, very weak demand well after this is all over. I expect to see all E190s, 757s and A320s gone for good as well as older 738s, 772s and A319s. Some of that 80% capacity cut by May will be permanent.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:43 pm

illinicmi wrote:
KD5MDK wrote:
I suppose part of the question is how much does it cost to retire them now, how much would it cost to make that decision in two months, and how much visibility do they have to the MAX return to service?

Presumably retirement would involve work that costs $ and risks human contact, which would be better to avoid until later.
If the MAX is back in service within 6 months for sure these aircraft are surplus to requirements.


Agreed, but I don't think it's coincidence these were "parked" in ROW as opposed to other sites where AA is parking aircraft. I'll bet they at least suspect these planes may not be needed again.


It seems like AA's Fleet strategy is growing more clear by the day, even though it does not appear to have been publicly shared:
-- Bring forward all planned retirements that were already anticipated (short-term)-- E190; B763; B757 (except perhaps a few 757 frames required for certain operations)
-- Bring forward all planned retirements planned longer-term (that would have not been needed had there been growth)-- Early 738s; A330-300s, early 772s; maybe A332s

The interesting side effect of this is that there are orders in place to replace these aircraft which will start to be delivered right as travel demands start to ramp up.

--B737 Max8 to replace the early 737s
--A321 NEOs and A321XLRs to replace B757 flying and others
--B788 and B789 to replace the A332, A333, and Early B772 (along with options available if flying not only returns but starts to grow)

-- my questions for those who likely have greater insight...
1) Is it possible that after the early 738s are gone (if that happens) does it become bad enough that the A320s start be considered for retirement?
2) Is there language in the contracts that allow AA to not comply with the number of regional A/C permitted as a % of mainline due to circumstances like this?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:15 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
illinicmi wrote:
KD5MDK wrote:
I suppose part of the question is how much does it cost to retire them now, how much would it cost to make that decision in two months, and how much visibility do they have to the MAX return to service?

Presumably retirement would involve work that costs $ and risks human contact, which would be better to avoid until later.
If the MAX is back in service within 6 months for sure these aircraft are surplus to requirements.


Agreed, but I don't think it's coincidence these were "parked" in ROW as opposed to other sites where AA is parking aircraft. I'll bet they at least suspect these planes may not be needed again.


It seems like AA's Fleet strategy is growing more clear by the day, even though it does not appear to have been publicly shared:
-- Bring forward all planned retirements that were already anticipated (short-term)-- E190; B763; B757 (except perhaps a few 757 frames required for certain operations)
-- Bring forward all planned retirements planned longer-term (that would have not been needed had there been growth)-- Early 738s; A330-300s, early 772s; maybe A332s

The interesting side effect of this is that there are orders in place to replace these aircraft which will start to be delivered right as travel demands start to ramp up.

--B737 Max8 to replace the early 737s
--A321 NEOs and A321XLRs to replace B757 flying and others
--B788 and B789 to replace the A332, A333, and Early B772 (along with options available if flying not only returns but starts to grow)

-- my questions for those who likely have greater insight...
1) Is it possible that after the early 738s are gone (if that happens) does it become bad enough that the A320s start be considered for retirement?
2) Is there language in the contracts that allow AA to not comply with the number of regional A/C permitted as a % of mainline due to circumstances like this?


There is no indication currently that any of the A330s, 777s or 738s are being retired so the fleet plan is not as clear as you think it is.

As far as scope clause goes, yes there is a force majeure allowance for up to 15 months. That is why AA was going to have to park a few RJs by June in order to remain scope compliant from.the MAX issue. Since the important portion of the scope count anyhow is tied to narrowbody aircraft, there will be very small adjustments.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:20 pm

747fan wrote:
Looks like 4 A333's will be headed to ROW for storage over the next 2 days: 271, 273, 276 and 277.


Good call. N273AY and N276AY are headed to ROW now. 3-30. Also, A332 N290AY is headed to PIT today, 3-30.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:24 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
illinicmi wrote:
KD5MDK wrote:
I suppose part of the question is how much does it cost to retire them now, how much would it cost to make that decision in two months, and how much visibility do they have to the MAX return to service?

Presumably retirement would involve work that costs $ and risks human contact, which would be better to avoid until later.
If the MAX is back in service within 6 months for sure these aircraft are surplus to requirements.


-- my questions for those who likely have greater insight...
1) Is it possible that after the early 738s are gone (if that happens) does it become bad enough that the A320s start be considered for retirement?
2) Is there language in the contracts that allow AA to not comply with the number of regional A/C permitted as a % of mainline due to circumstances like this?


Interestingly, I think AA management thought about to retire the A320 when the merger was completed. Because the fleet was ageing and the number was a minority among AA fleet in that time. But with the S80 retire imminently and the aviation market set for growth, AA management decided to hold onto A320 fleet. It was a correct decision at that time.

Now, as things going, I actually think AA should retire the A320 instead of B738. Several reasons I can think of. The B738 is such a large fleet so it is easier and cheaper to manage. Plus the A320 flight crew can transition to A319/A321/A330 without any issue. It would take longer for airbus crew to be trained on B738 if they need.

I am sure other posters might know better on those issues. Yet I feel now it is time to retire the A320 fleet and hold on to the B738 a little bit longer, of course depending on the recovery of aviation market post corona.

To your second question, I don't have an answer. But I seemed to remember there was some fighting between management and union about contract so that the E90 jet was configured to a certain number of seats to meet the requirement. So I would like to think there is some sort of contractual requirement. But I don't know. Someone else might know better. However, I would say if mainline is suffering post coronavirus, regional would be too.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:56 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
illinicmi wrote:
KD5MDK wrote:
I suppose part of the question is how much does it cost to retire them now, how much would it cost to make that decision in two months, and how much visibility do they have to the MAX return to service?

Presumably retirement would involve work that costs $ and risks human contact, which would be better to avoid until later.
If the MAX is back in service within 6 months for sure these aircraft are surplus to requirements.


Agreed, but I don't think it's coincidence these were "parked" in ROW as opposed to other sites where AA is parking aircraft. I'll bet they at least suspect these planes may not be needed again.


It seems like AA's Fleet strategy is growing more clear by the day, even though it does not appear to have been publicly shared:
-- Bring forward all planned retirements that were already anticipated (short-term)-- E190; B763; B757 (except perhaps a few 757 frames required for certain operations)
-- Bring forward all planned retirements planned longer-term (that would have not been needed had there been growth)-- Early 738s; A330-300s, early 772s; maybe A332s

The interesting side effect of this is that there are orders in place to replace these aircraft which will start to be delivered right as travel demands start to ramp up.

--B737 Max8 to replace the early 737s
--A321 NEOs and A321XLRs to replace B757 flying and others
--B788 and B789 to replace the A332, A333, and Early B772 (along with options available if flying not only returns but starts to grow)

-- my questions for those who likely have greater insight...
1) Is it possible that after the early 738s are gone (if that happens) does it become bad enough that the A320s start be considered for retirement?
2) Is there language in the contracts that allow AA to not comply with the number of regional A/C permitted as a % of mainline due to circumstances like this?

There were/ are no plans to retire the 332s, only ones were the 333s
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:17 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
The economy will soon be toast. Air travel won't see very, very weak demand well after this is all over. I expect to see all E190s, 757s and A320s gone for good as well as older 738s, 772s and A319s. Some of that 80% capacity cut by May will be permanent.


With all due respect, media sourced sensationalism and talk of doom on the matter is unnecessary and overreaching.

The economy is not "toast", and will bounce back. The airlines will be smaller when this is all over, sure, but adaptation is something that is seldom considered by pundits on soapboxes.

E190s, A330s, older 737-800s and 777-200ERs retired? Sure. Might make sense.

I dont see any reason to be retiring A320 subtypes right now.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:30 pm

UA748i wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
The economy will soon be toast. Air travel won't see very, very weak demand well after this is all over. I expect to see all E190s, 757s and A320s gone for good as well as older 738s, 772s and A319s. Some of that 80% capacity cut by May will be permanent.


With all due respect, media sourced sensationalism and talk of doom on the matter is unnecessary and overreaching.

The economy is not "toast", and will bounce back. The airlines will be smaller when this is all over, sure, but adaptation is something that is seldom considered by pundits on soapboxes.


So, his remarks are 'media-sourced sensationalism' and your confidence the economy will bounce back (in a relevant time) is based in what?

U.S. carriers don't adapt very well (or quickly) outside of bankruptcy. Want to retire ~200 mainline planes? That's 2,600-2,800 pilots you don't need. Make major cuts to a subfleet and set off a cascade of pilot training even as the carrier shrinks. It's a business with big, long-lived assets: there's no magic wand to turn 100 5-year old A321s into A220s. Don't think retirements will be quickly backfilled by new deliveries: AA isn't going to have the free cash flow nor credit to buy a couple hundred new planes in the next three years.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:24 pm

The economy is in fact burnt toast. Yes ask the 130,000 Macy’s workers with much more to come. The economy just isn’t going to open on a dime if this goes another 30 days. It doesn’t work that way,
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:14 am

After retirement, does anyone have any clue as to, how viable are these AA A333s? If they were to ever be used as potential feedstock in the freighter conversion market, and possibly fulfil their role as cargo aircraft in the future.

Considering the fact that, the oldest examples in the fleet; is merely showing 20 years of age. This therefore, makes it the perfect candidate for these aircraft to enrol their second lease of life as freighter aircraft. We've already seen, the vast majority of former AA 757 and 767 aircraft, re-emerging through the skies as freighter aircraft, flying for the likes of Amazon and DHL. So could we expect the same future for the A333s?

I'm pretty sure these old girls, still have plenty of life left in them, after flying countless TATL routes such as LHR, FCO, VCE and even ATH throughout their career which they established in AA.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:18 am

BOEING777EK wrote:
After retirement, does anyone have any clue as to, how viable are these AA A333s? If they were to ever be used as potential feedstock in the freighter conversion market, and possibly fulfil their role as cargo aircraft in the future.

Considering the fact that, the oldest examples in the fleet; is merely showing 20 years of age. This therefore, makes it the perfect candidate for these aircraft to enrol their second lease of life as freighter aircraft. We've already seen, the vast majority of former AA 757 and 767 aircraft, re-emerging through the skies as freighter aircraft, flying for the likes of Amazon and DHL. So could we expect the same future for the A333s?

I'm pretty sure these old girls, still have plenty of life left in them, after flying countless TATL routes such as LHR, FCO, VCE and even ATH throughout their career which they established in AA.

They are not retiring the 333s.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:49 pm

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747fan wrote:
Looks like 4 A333's will be headed to ROW for storage over the next 2 days: 271, 273, 276 and 277.


Good call. N273AY and N276AY are headed to ROW now. 3-30. Also, A332 N290AY is headed to PIT today, 3-30.


And today, Mar 31, N271AY and N277AY are enroute to ROW.
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:14 pm

In addition, N275AY and N278AY are also enroute to ROW currently, along with N271AY and N277AY
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:58 pm

Looks like it is confirmed that old 737's, A330-300's and E-190's are all going away in addition to 767's and 757's.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusiv ... 55347.html
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:14 pm

Jetport wrote:
Looks like it is confirmed that old 737's, A330-300's and E-190's are all going away in addition to 767's and 757's.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusiv ... 55347.html


76 737-800s delivered up until 2001
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:25 pm

Jetport wrote:
Looks like it is confirmed that old 737's, A330-300's and E-190's are all going away in addition to 767's and 757's.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusiv ... 55347.html


Unfortunately, not the least shocking think I have seen today. To summarize, that's about 156 Aircraft to be retired, but approximately 225 Aircraft to be delivered over the next 5 years. This is not only a net increase in frames, but also a major increase in seats-- especially when you combine deliveries with reconfigurations of the 738s and 321s. It seems likely that additional tweaks to the fleet plan will be announced, especially if there is a delay in the rebound of passenger numbers from the current crisis. Those tweaks can be: deferred deliveries; additional retirements; delayed reconfigurations, or some combination of the three. Will be very interesting to see how that goes. Its also going to be interesting to see just how this translates to American Eagle fleet plans, now that formal retirements instead of temporary parking are on the table.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:28 pm

This is all so fascinating to see unfold. AA’s average fleet age is certainly going to dip once the dust settles. Question: will we see such drastic retirements occurring among the other US3?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:35 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Jetport wrote:
Looks like it is confirmed that old 737's, A330-300's and E-190's are all going away in addition to 767's and 757's.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusiv ... 55347.html


76 737-800s delivered up until 2001


It says "a batch of 76 737-800s" - I wonder if this means a batch of the 76 or the batch is 76.

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