jbs2886 wrote:

Ishrion wrote:

Jetport wrote:

Looks like it is confirmed that old 737's, A330-300's and E-190's are all going away in addition to 767's and 757's.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusiv ... 55347.html

76 737-800s delivered up until 2001

It says "a batch of 76 737-800s" - I wonder if this means a batch of the 76 or the batch is 76.

That wording indicates to me that all 76 will be retired earlier than planned. Otherwise, "a batch of THE 76 737-800s" would be more appropriate if only some of the 76 were being retired.

Jeremy

xtreme make over for American..

This is huge! AAs fleet age is about to plummet further

UA748i wrote:

This is huge! AAs fleet age is about to plummet further

A320/19 and B77R are very old..

They'll be smaller, but they'll also be streamlined. Hopefully that'll help them claw out of this hole easier.

Still hope they can somehow manage to trade off the MAX and go all 319/320/321 long-term.

At this point what is the value in keeping the A332s? They are spread across 3 hubs and there is only 15. Do we see these getting replaced by 788s too?

danipawa wrote:

UA748i wrote:

This is huge! AAs fleet age is about to plummet further

A320/19 and B77R are very old..

AA already has the youngest fleet out if the majors.

illinicmi wrote:

They'll be smaller, but they'll also be streamlined. Hopefully that'll help them claw out of this hole easier.

Still hope they can somehow manage to trade off the MAX and go all 319/320/321 long-term.

Why do you hope this? Single aisle, 6 across narrow bodies are essentially all the same, Max and Neo are equally uncomfortable in coach. Single aisle, 6 across narrow bodies are the my least favorite aircraft to fly and there is virtually no difference between the 737-X, A32X, 757, 727, DC8 (I remember those from my youth), etc. One of the more depressing recent developments in aviation is more use of 6 across narrow bodies on very long flights, this is borderline torture.

Nicknuzzii wrote:

At this point what is the value in keeping the A332s? They are spread across 3 hubs and there is only 15. Do we see these getting replaced by 788s too?

The majority is PHL and CLT.

Nicknuzzii wrote:

At this point what is the value in keeping the A332s? They are spread across 3 hubs and there is only 15. Do we see these getting replaced by 788s too?

Why get rid of the A332? They serve TATL routes at a competitive cost still. There is still plenty of parts for the A332. Also I thought it was PHL and CLT not PHX.

PHLspecial wrote:

Nicknuzzii wrote:

At this point what is the value in keeping the A332s? They are spread across 3 hubs and there is only 15. Do we see these getting replaced by 788s too?

Why get rid of the A332? They serve TATL routes at a competitive cost still. There is still plenty of parts for the A332. Also I thought it was PHL and CLT not PHX.

PHX saw a 333 on HNL flights at certain times of the year not a 332

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PHLspecial wrote:

Nicknuzzii wrote:

At this point what is the value in keeping the A332s? They are spread across 3 hubs and there is only 15. Do we see these getting replaced by 788s too?

Why get rid of the A332? They serve TATL routes at a competitive cost still. There is still plenty of parts for the A332. Also I thought it was PHL and CLT not PHX.

My bad may only be 2 than but I was under the impression they were doing domestic runs with it through PHX.

If UA doesn’t make any retirements will UA actually bigger than AA?

SJU and MCO would see them seasonally. Two pilot bases are CLT and PHL.

AA's newest B788, N870AX, ferried to TUL today, I assume to be parked?

anymaninfc wrote:

AA's newest B788, N870AX, ferried to TUL today, I assume to be parked?

From where?

Boof02671 wrote:

anymaninfc wrote:

AA's newest B788, N870AX, ferried to TUL today, I assume to be parked?

From where?

From DFW.

Im still thinking they can get some A320/321NEO , 737MAX NTU from others airlines and maybe adding some A332 (Jet Aiways) more to balance this massive retirement

danipawa wrote:

Im still thinking they can get some A320/321NEO , 737MAX NTU from others airlines and maybe adding some A332 (Jet Aiways) more to balance this massive retirement

Is that really necessary? If I recall, AA has over 40 more deliveries of 787 types. They need to downsize, and these deliveries will gradually come online presumably as the market slowly recovers the next few years. Things aren’t going to be the same right away. More aircraft aren’t going to be needed - hence the early retirements.

AA's next to last B767-300, N347AN is now enroute to ROW. N348AN is the last of this fleet type. Makes one feel old when you're around to greet new aircraft, only to blink and find yourself watching as they fly into retirement.

Jetport wrote:

illinicmi wrote:

They'll be smaller, but they'll also be streamlined. Hopefully that'll help them claw out of this hole easier.

Still hope they can somehow manage to trade off the MAX and go all 319/320/321 long-term.

Why do you hope this? Single aisle, 6 across narrow bodies are essentially all the same, Max and Neo are equally uncomfortable in coach. Single aisle, 6 across narrow bodies are the my least favorite aircraft to fly and there is virtually no difference between the 737-X, A32X, 757, 727, DC8 (I remember those from my youth), etc. One of the more depressing recent developments in aviation is more use of 6 across narrow bodies on very long flights, this is borderline torture.

There is a night and day difference in comfort. They are not all essentially the same. Try sitting in a window seat on a 737 then jump on a 321.

Sure I know that's not a reason in itself to retire a fleet, but why can't I hope for it?

A321 N979UY ferrying PIT-CLT for storage exit(?)
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9607

Official, major retirements:

AA retiring Aircraft.
Earliest 737-800 (qty 76)
Oldest A330 (qty 9 A330-300)
757-200 (qty 34)
767-300ER (qty 16)
E-190 (qty 20)
https://onemileatatime.com/american-air ... -737-a330/

Several types permanently retired.

Lightsaber

Not counting the aircraft slated for retirement, the oldest aircraft in mainline AAs fleet will be N770AN and N801AW, both at 21 years old

lightsaber wrote:

Official, major retirements:

AA retiring Aircraft.
Earliest 737-800 (qty 76)
Oldest A330 (qty 9 A330-300)
757-200 (qty 34)
767-300ER (qty 16)
E-190 (qty 20)
https://onemileatatime.com/american-air ... -737-a330/

Several types permanently retired.

Lightsaber

Thanks!!

Surprise to see so many B738 go. I would thought it is easier to start the A320 retirement as the oldest was almost 20 years old now. I did not expect so many B738!

Thank you again for update.

lightsaber wrote:

Official, major retirements:

AA retiring Aircraft.
Earliest 737-800 (qty 76)
Oldest A330 (qty 9 A330-300)
757-200 (qty 34)
767-300ER (qty 16)
E-190 (qty 20)
https://onemileatatime.com/american-air ... -737-a330/

Several types permanently retired.

Lightsaber

Makes sense, and seems like the right move, sad as that is.

The article also mentions they're considering parking some 50-seaters, presumably a necessity due to scope as well as the demand factors. I'd expect all the ERJ-140s to be re-parked ASAP, and maybe the CRJ-200s as well. Does AA's scope clause have anything in it about the mix of larger RJs relative to mainline, or just total RJs vs mainline? I wonder if they'll need to park some CR7s and/or CR9s as well as 50-seaters...

It will certainly be interesting to see the effects of these drastic drawdowns on the network. Given that the 738s are spread across all hubs, I would think that the reductions could look something like what we've seen with the MAXs, with low performing routes/frequencies cut across the network (JFK-SAN/LAS are probably permanent goners now, with newer routes like AUS-SJC/BOS and DFW-OAK, and longer routes like LAX-MSY/IND/CMH/SDF/BDL in jeopardy as well, plus frequency reductions on many other routes from PHX, DFW, ORD, and MIA). The E-190s going will probably result in reduced frequency on the shuttle operations, with a mix of E75s and 319s taking over. On the transatlantic front, I'd imagine the cumulative retirement of 757s, 767s, and 333s will result in AA pulling out of a bunch of secondary markets. Goodbye CMN, KEF, SNN, EDI, TXL, KRK, BUD, DBV, and maybe even MAN, LIS, and/or PRG. It will be interesting to see whether 332s, 787s, or 772s take over PHL and CLT to LHR. In South America, I'm guessing BSB will be gone, and LIM will have to be replaced with some combination of 738s and 788s as that was an all-757/767 station previously. We already know MVD has been made winter-seasonal.

chonetsao wrote:

Surprise to see so many B738 go. I would thought it is easier to start the A320 retirement as the oldest was almost 20 years old now. I did not expect so many B738!

The 738s they're retiring are ~20 years old as well. Delivered between 1999 and 2001.

danipawa wrote:

Im still thinking they can get some A320/321NEO , 737MAX NTU from others airlines and maybe adding some A332 (Jet Aiways) more to balance this massive retirement

They have both Maxs and A321Neos on order. They won’t get anymore 332s. They want to simplify not complicate the fleet

Weren't the first batch of 738s held-over as a stop-gap for MAX capacity?

From what I see, some of these retirements are to shed older excess aircraft, but also to roll-back anything that was extended out to cover for the MAX.

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:

Weren't the first batch of 738s held-over as a stop-gap for MAX capacity?

From what I see, some of these retirements are to shed older excess aircraft, but also to roll-back anything that was extended out to cover for the MAX.

Yes all the planes they kept longer was broken size of the Max

lightsaber wrote:

Official, major retirements:

AA retiring Aircraft.
Earliest 737-800 (qty 76)
Oldest A330 (qty 9 A330-300)
757-200 (qty 34)
767-300ER (qty 16)
E-190 (qty 20)
https://onemileatatime.com/american-air ... -737-a330/

Several types permanently retired.

Lightsaber

I have to imagine most, if not all of the remaining 763s have a future as freighters.

Will the rest of the aircraft be cut up where they currently stand or will they be flown to a proper recycling facility?

No surprise here. If air travel recovers quickly (which I don't expect) and issues with the MAX continue I expect the retirement of 738s might slow down. I'm also surprised the 48 A320s weren't on the chopping block as well as some of the older 772. However, if air travel recovers very slowly I think we will will see more retirements and/or delivery deferments.

lightsaber wrote:

Official, major retirements:

AA retiring Aircraft.
Earliest 737-800 (qty 76)
Oldest A330 (qty 9 A330-300)
757-200 (qty 34)
767-300ER (qty 16)
E-190 (qty 20)
https://onemileatatime.com/american-air ... -737-a330/

Several types permanently retired.

Lightsaber

I thought retiring the A320s made sense, since there are just 48 of them compared to 100+ A319s, 200+ A321s, and 300+ 738s. AA is simplifying its fleet and retiring A320s would remove a subtype.

FSDan wrote:

The 738s they're retiring are ~20 years old as well. Delivered between 1999 and 2001.

Are they still good for converting into freighters? Or too much hours/cycles for that?

anymaninfc wrote:

AA's next to last B767-300, N347AN is now enroute to ROW. N348AN is the last of this fleet type. Makes one feel old when you're around to greet new aircraft, only to blink and find yourself watching as they fly into retirement.

And yes, N348AN is now enroute to ROW. Thus the B767 era at American Airlines comes to a close.

AA still has two A330-300s, N272AY and N274AY, undergoing heavy maintenance in San Salvador. Wondering if they will be moved directly to ROW upon completion of that work. And of course, one A330-300, N270AY was parked at PIT on 3-18.

UA748i wrote:

Not counting the aircraft slated for retirement, the oldest aircraft in mainline AAs fleet will be N770AN and N801AW, both at 21 years old

Not quite! As the A320 seem to soldier on, N647AW would be the oldest aircraft in AAs fleet, just shy of 22,5 years old.

lightsaber wrote:

Official, major retirements:

AA retiring Aircraft.
Earliest 737-800 (qty 76)
Oldest A330 (qty 9 A330-300)
757-200 (qty 34)
767-300ER (qty 16)
E-190 (qty 20)
https://onemileatatime.com/american-air ... -737-a330/

Several types permanently retired.

Lightsaber

Any indication that Delta will buy these aircraft?

CriticalPoint wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

Official, major retirements:

AA retiring Aircraft.
Earliest 737-800 (qty 76)
Oldest A330 (qty 9 A330-300)
757-200 (qty 34)
767-300ER (qty 16)
E-190 (qty 20)
https://onemileatatime.com/american-air ... -737-a330/

Several types permanently retired.

Lightsaber

Any indication that Delta will buy these aircraft?

Why, airlines are shrinking. DL themselves are parking planes.


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MIflyer12 wrote:

Boof02671 wrote:

danipawa wrote:

A320/19 and B77R are very old..

AA already has the youngest fleet out if the majors.

I guess you're not considering Alaska or JetBlue (nor Spirit or Frontier) as major.

They aren’t

CriticalPoint wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

Official, major retirements:

AA retiring Aircraft.
Earliest 737-800 (qty 76)
Oldest A330 (qty 9 A330-300)
757-200 (qty 34)
767-300ER (qty 16)
E-190 (qty 20)
https://onemileatatime.com/american-air ... -737-a330/

Several types permanently retired.

Lightsaber

Any indication that Delta will buy these aircraft?

If a delta is retiring planes and cutting flights why would they spend money to buy used planes that would cost millions to convert the interiors?

danipawa wrote:

Im still thinking they can get some A320/321NEO , 737MAX NTU from others airlines and maybe adding some A332 (Jet Aiways) more to balance this massive retirement

Why do you assume AA wants to maintain their current fleet size? The US airlines wanted to reduce capacity even before COVID. AA will be significantly smaller after this. Also keep in mind that as soon as the MAX is approved, AA is going to gain an additional ~50ish airframes over night, so it's not a complete loss.

Austin787 wrote:

I thought retiring the A320s made sense, since there are just 48 of them compared to 100+ A319s, 200+ A321s, and 300+ 738s. AA is simplifying its fleet and retiring A320s would remove a subtype.

It may make more sense to cast off the 738s as they might have stronger resale value with Amazon gobbling them up for freighter conversions. "Simplifying fleet types" by getting rid of the A320 would be of limited benefit considering the number of A319s and A321s still on property.

lightsaber wrote:

Official, major retirements:

AA retiring Aircraft.
Earliest 737-800 (qty 76)
Oldest A330 (qty 9 A330-300)
757-200 (qty 34)
767-300ER (qty 16)
E-190 (qty 20)
https://onemileatatime.com/american-air ... -737-a330/

Several types permanently retired.

Lightsaber

The 757-200 is still in the schedule for MIA-EGE in January 2021. Wasn't the official announcement retiring them by May 2021?

chepos wrote:

CriticalPoint wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

Official, major retirements:

AA retiring Aircraft.
Earliest 737-800 (qty 76)
Oldest A330 (qty 9 A330-300)
757-200 (qty 34)
767-300ER (qty 16)
E-190 (qty 20)
https://onemileatatime.com/american-air ... -737-a330/

Several types permanently retired.

Lightsaber

Any indication that Delta will buy these aircraft?

Why, airlines are shrinking. DL themselves are parking planes.


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Why? Because Delta buys used airplanes of course.......

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planecane wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

Official, major retirements:

AA retiring Aircraft.
Earliest 737-800 (qty 76)
Oldest A330 (qty 9 A330-300)
757-200 (qty 34)
767-300ER (qty 16)
E-190 (qty 20)
https://onemileatatime.com/american-air ... -737-a330/

Several types permanently retired.

Lightsaber

The 757-200 is still in the schedule for MIA-EGE in January 2021. Wasn't the official announcement retiring them by May 2021?

Yes summer of 2021

Lots of people here weren't around during the airline bloodbath days of 2001 to 2004. Even with the huge give backs in 2003 AA never made money again save for a quarter or two until post bankruptcy. The AA of 2011 looked like nothing like the AA of 2000. Few could have imagined the way AA cut routes during those years. On the US side LGA was significantly downsized and PIT once the crown jewel was de-hubbed as well as LAS.

Lots of unknowns here about how deep the economic downfall will be and how long the recovery will be.

planecane wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

Official, major retirements:

AA retiring Aircraft.
Earliest 737-800 (qty 76)
Oldest A330 (qty 9 A330-300)
757-200 (qty 34)
767-300ER (qty 16)
E-190 (qty 20)
https://onemileatatime.com/american-air ... -737-a330/

Several types permanently retired.

Lightsaber

The 757-200 is still in the schedule for MIA-EGE in January 2021. Wasn't the official announcement retiring them by May 2021?

They have not updated their schedule for aircraft just frequencies.

Boof02671 wrote:

planecane wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

Official, major retirements:

AA retiring Aircraft.
Earliest 737-800 (qty 76)
Oldest A330 (qty 9 A330-300)
757-200 (qty 34)
767-300ER (qty 16)
E-190 (qty 20)
https://onemileatatime.com/american-air ... -737-a330/

Several types permanently retired.

Lightsaber

The 757-200 is still in the schedule for MIA-EGE in January 2021. Wasn't the official announcement retiring them by May 2021?

Yes summer of 2021

They are now going sooner than 2021.

planecane wrote:

The 757-200 is still in the schedule for MIA-EGE in January 2021. Wasn't the official announcement retiring them by May 2021?

I assume you realize that any future schedule you see for American is good for maybe 3-4 days out. January is not on anyone's radar.

Ronaldo747 wrote:

FSDan wrote:

The 738s they're retiring are ~20 years old as well. Delivered between 1999 and 2001.

Are they still good for converting into freighters? Or too much hours/cycles for that?

Just a quick one-off comparison:
LN 199 AA N901AN del 7 FEB 1999, 59436 hours 24272 cycles as of 11 JUL 2019
LN 184 WN N723SW del 1 FEB 1999, 71506 hours 42152 cycles as of 1 JUL 2019

The soon to be ex AA 738's will make fine freighters with a lot of life left.