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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:35 pm

miaami wrote:
2 AA 330s on their way from SAL to ELP to ROW today 4/8/20

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9607

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9608


Why the stop at ELP?

Does an A330-200, N279AY, going to ROW indicate anything? Parking or retirement, that is.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:15 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
miaami wrote:
2 AA 330s on their way from SAL to ELP to ROW today 4/8/20

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9607

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9608


Why the stop at ELP?

Does an A330-200, N279AY, going to ROW indicate anything? Parking or retirement, that is.

Clearing customs?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:51 am

silentbob wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
miaami wrote:
2 AA 330s on their way from SAL to ELP to ROW today 4/8/20

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9607

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9608


Why the stop at ELP?

Does an A330-200, N279AY, going to ROW indicate anything? Parking or retirement, that is.

Clearing customs?


Indeed likely CBP for the crew.

Going to ROW doesn't indicate anything other than it being stored. The 332s are likely not being retired.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:26 am

I noticed that JonNYC has posted that AA is committed to receiving A321NEOs scheduled for delivery this year. Anybody know if the same is true for the B788s scheduled for delivery this year? And yes, I realize with the coronavirus, schedules may slip. Thanks!
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:39 pm

An interesting route map of cargo only flights using 77w and 789 aircraft.

https://www.aacargo.com/downloads/World_Map_Cargo_Only_Flights_Final.pdf

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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:37 pm

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An interesting route map of cargo only flights using 77w and 789 aircraft.

https://www.aacargo.com/downloads/World_Map_Cargo_Only_Flights_Final.pdf

Gabep


Thanks for sharing. That is interesting. DFW-DUB was surprising. I wonder if SEL and PVG will be from DFW or LAX.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:01 pm

jmw99ttu wrote:
gabep wrote:
An interesting route map of cargo only flights using 77w and 789 aircraft.

https://www.aacargo.com/downloads/World_Map_Cargo_Only_Flights_Final.pdf

Gabep


Thanks for sharing. That is interesting. DFW-DUB was surprising. I wonder if SEL and PVG will be from DFW or LAX.


According to JonNYC, it’s rumored to be LAX-ICN-PVG-LAX to avoid Chinese quarantine procedures
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:07 pm

So the 757 and 767 are officially never coming back?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:16 pm

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So the 757 and 767 are officially never coming back?


Nothing official yet just parked for now as far as I know, just waiting game to see how this unfolds, unless someone can correct that
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:18 pm

ACA772LR wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
So the 757 and 767 are officially never coming back?


Nothing official yet just parked for now as far as I know, just waiting game to see how this unfolds, unless someone can correct that


The 767s are confirmed retired. The LAA 757s are still up in the air.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:32 pm

alasizon wrote:
ACA772LR wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
So the 757 and 767 are officially never coming back?


Nothing official yet just parked for now as far as I know, just waiting game to see how this unfolds, unless someone can correct that


The 767s are confirmed retired. The LAA 757s are still up in the air.


What does LAA stand for?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:35 pm

Why did someone mess up the fleet wiki?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:36 pm

ACA772LR wrote:
alasizon wrote:
ACA772LR wrote:

Nothing official yet just parked for now as far as I know, just waiting game to see how this unfolds, unless someone can correct that


The 767s are confirmed retired. The LAA 757s are still up in the air.


What does LAA stand for?

Legacy American Airlines or AA before the merger.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:41 pm

AAlaxfan wrote:
ACA772LR wrote:
alasizon wrote:

The 767s are confirmed retired. The LAA 757s are still up in the air.


What does LAA stand for?

Legacy American Airlines or AA before the merger.


Oh ok thank you! They merged with America West right?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:56 pm

ACA772LR wrote:
AAlaxfan wrote:
ACA772LR wrote:

What does LAA stand for?

Legacy American Airlines or AA before the merger.


Oh ok thank you! They merged with America West right?

American Airlines merged with US Airways. US airways merged with America West back in the mid 2000’s.


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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:19 pm

It appears that AA will use the 788 on all trans-Atlantic flights once they resume this summer.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1248 ... 74307?s=20
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:09 am

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It appears that AA will use the 788 on all trans-Atlantic flights once they resume this summer.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1248 ... 74307?s=20


It would surprise me if all TATL flights went 788 for the whole of S20... Unless AA's already planning on loading further cuts this weekend, they don't have enough 788s to cover everything that's currently loaded for July/August/September. June seems possible though, since a lot more flights are currently set to come back in July.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:16 am

sp98 wrote:
It appears that AA will use the 788 on all trans-Atlantic flights once they resume this summer.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1248 ... 74307?s=20


Specifically for the resumptions on June 4.

This includes JFK and RDU to LHR which are two airports that have never seen the AA 787.
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:14 am

FSDan wrote:
sp98 wrote:
It appears that AA will use the 788 on all trans-Atlantic flights once they resume this summer.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1248 ... 74307?s=20


It would surprise me if all TATL flights went 788 for the whole of S20... Unless AA's already planning on loading further cuts this weekend, they don't have enough 788s to cover everything that's currently loaded for July/August/September. June seems possible though, since a lot more flights are currently set to come back in July.

European flights that are scheduled to resume in June will resume on the 787 8, not necessarily these flights will all continue to operate with that fleet for the long run.


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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:38 am

So if AA's going all 788, what's going to happen to all the A332s? Keep them parked?
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:10 am

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So if AA's going all 788, what's going to happen to all the A332s? Keep them parked?


Unless I'm missing something, it's the A333s which are reportedly being retired, not the A332s.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:23 am

Ishrion wrote:
sp98 wrote:
It appears that AA will use the 788 on all trans-Atlantic flights once they resume this summer.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1248 ... 74307?s=20


Specifically for the resumptions on June 4.

This includes JFK and RDU to LHR which are two airports that have never seen the AA 787.


That’s going to be interesting, since neither of those crew bases have flight attendants qualified on the 787, and there’s no 787 pilot base in New York. Doesn’t seem practical to start training crews on new aircraft, so are they planning on deadheading crews from other bases to operate these flights, I wonder?
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:09 am

NYCAAer wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
sp98 wrote:
It appears that AA will use the 788 on all trans-Atlantic flights once they resume this summer.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1248 ... 74307?s=20


Specifically for the resumptions on June 4.

This includes JFK and RDU to LHR which are two airports that have never seen the AA 787.


That’s going to be interesting, since neither of those crew bases have flight attendants qualified on the 787, and there’s no 787 pilot base in New York. Doesn’t seem practical to start training crews on new aircraft, so are they planning on deadheading crews from other bases to operate these flights, I wonder?


RDU still shows up as B772 in June as of now.

JFK shows 3 daily, one daily B772 and two daily B77W.

ORD 3 daily shows 1 daily B772 and 2 daily B789

DFW 4 dailys shows 2 B772 and 2B77W

MIA 1 daily B77W and LAX 2 daily B77W.

So I don't understand the original tweet. If AA is planning to use B787 on all routes, it is not reflected in the system yet. I understand many B777 based cabin crew are also trained on B789. So cabin crew should not be the issue. However, I don't know about flight deck crew. Maybe someone can tell us more.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:29 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
aerace wrote:
So if AA's going all 788, what's going to happen to all the A332s? Keep them parked?


Unless I'm missing something, it's the A333s which are reportedly being retired, not the A332s.


Right, so I am curious what's going to happen to the 332s that normally run TATL.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:32 pm

chonetsao wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Specifically for the resumptions on June 4.

This includes JFK and RDU to LHR which are two airports that have never seen the AA 787.


That’s going to be interesting, since neither of those crew bases have flight attendants qualified on the 787, and there’s no 787 pilot base in New York. Doesn’t seem practical to start training crews on new aircraft, so are they planning on deadheading crews from other bases to operate these flights, I wonder?


RDU still shows up as B772 in June as of now.

JFK shows 3 daily, one daily B772 and two daily B77W.

ORD 3 daily shows 1 daily B772 and 2 daily B789

DFW 4 dailys shows 2 B772 and 2B77W

MIA 1 daily B77W and LAX 2 daily B77W.

So I don't understand the original tweet. If AA is planning to use B787 on all routes, it is not reflected in the system yet. I understand many B777 based cabin crew are also trained on B789. So cabin crew should not be the issue. However, I don't know about flight deck crew. Maybe someone can tell us more.


The original tweet says, “and you will see that reflected in the published schedules from the company sometime this weekend.”
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:38 pm

aerace wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
aerace wrote:
So if AA's going all 788, what's going to happen to all the A332s? Keep them parked?


Unless I'm missing something, it's the A333s which are reportedly being retired, not the A332s.


Right, so I am curious what's going to happen to the 332s that normally run TATL.

If the tweet is true I assume they will remain parked and stored, to return into the fleet at a later date (unlike the A333s).
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:46 pm

When does SA return from MIA? Some of those routes were 763 for the remainder of the year. Will they go 772 or 788, or will the 332s come to MIA?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:34 pm

chonetsao wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Specifically for the resumptions on June 4.

This includes JFK and RDU to LHR which are two airports that have never seen the AA 787.


That’s going to be interesting, since neither of those crew bases have flight attendants qualified on the 787, and there’s no 787 pilot base in New York. Doesn’t seem practical to start training crews on new aircraft, so are they planning on deadheading crews from other bases to operate these flights, I wonder?


RDU still shows up as B772 in June as of now.

JFK shows 3 daily, one daily B772 and two daily B77W.

ORD 3 daily shows 1 daily B772 and 2 daily B789

DFW 4 dailys shows 2 B772 and 2B77W

MIA 1 daily B77W and LAX 2 daily B77W.

So I don't understand the original tweet. If AA is planning to use B787 on all routes, it is not reflected in the system yet. I understand many B777 based cabin crew are also trained on B789. So cabin crew should not be the issue. However, I don't know about flight deck crew. Maybe someone can tell us more.



Good Morning. Just want to remind/suggest that looking at any schedule for more than a month out right now is,honestly, a waste of time. (Domestic or International) As AA has shared on their website and in social media channels, along with quite a few posters on this site and in this forum, AA is making almost weekly changes to flight schedules, routing, A/C types, etc. AA has shared internally the guidance that JonNYC mentioned in his tweet and it will take time for all that to be reflected in any sort of public facing schedule.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:58 pm

All 767/757 training has stopped at AA. Simulator instructors are being re-assigned to different fleets as are the check airmen. Sounds as thought both the 757 and the 767 are toast.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:07 pm

I don't have or use any social media, so can somebody tell me who this "JonNYC" person is I keep seeing referred to and who I gather is some kind of rather accurate fortune-teller about AA??
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:10 pm

496TFS wrote:
All 767/757 training has stopped at AA. Simulator instructors are being re-assigned to different fleets as are the check airmen. Sounds as thought both the 757 and the 767 are toast.


I, along with many others, will mourn if the 757's really are kaput. I'm so sad they're disappearing all over like 747's. :hissyfit: :sigh: :tombstone:
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:52 pm

cathay747 wrote:
I don't have or use any social media, so can somebody tell me who this "JonNYC" person is I keep seeing referred to and who I gather is some kind of rather accurate fortune-teller about AA??


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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:37 pm

Ishrion wrote:
The original tweet says, “and you will see that reflected in the published schedules from the company sometime this weekend.”


brooklynchris13 wrote:
Good Morning. Just want to remind/suggest that looking at any schedule for more than a month out right now is,honestly, a waste of time. (Domestic or International) As AA has shared on their website and in social media channels, along with quite a few posters on this site and in this forum, AA is making almost weekly changes to flight schedules, routing, A/C types, etc. AA has shared internally the guidance that JonNYC mentioned in his tweet and it will take time for all that to be reflected in any sort of public facing schedule.


Yes you are right. I should check again next week to see how the new schedule works.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:00 pm

chonetsao wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Specifically for the resumptions on June 4.

This includes JFK and RDU to LHR which are two airports that have never seen the AA 787.


That’s going to be interesting, since neither of those crew bases have flight attendants qualified on the 787, and there’s no 787 pilot base in New York. Doesn’t seem practical to start training crews on new aircraft, so are they planning on deadheading crews from other bases to operate these flights, I wonder?


RDU still shows up as B772 in June as of now.

JFK shows 3 daily, one daily B772 and two daily B77W.

ORD 3 daily shows 1 daily B772 and 2 daily B789

DFW 4 dailys shows 2 B772 and 2B77W

MIA 1 daily B77W and LAX 2 daily B77W.

So I don't understand the original tweet. If AA is planning to use B787 on all routes, it is not reflected in the system yet. I understand many B777 based cabin crew are also trained on B789. So cabin crew should not be the issue. However, I don't know about flight deck crew. Maybe someone can tell us more.


I’m a F/A based at JFK, we have precious few who are qualified on the 787, as the aircraft was not planned to operate from New York until 2023 or so, when the next batch of 789s arrive on the property. The base has been exclusively 777 for the past year and a half, so there are no pilots qualified on it in New York. So making JFK go 787 is an operational nightmare, with deadheading in crews from other bases. It also doesn’t seem like a good way to conserve cash, if you have to start training 1500 flight attendants at the drop of a hat, and then there’s pilot training which is lengthy.

What I suspect, since we can only see part of the message, is that all transatlantic flights out of PHL will temporarily be 787-8, since the crews are qualified. PHL will only be operating LHR, MAD and ZRH until the end of October. The message says all transatlantic flying “will be done with the 787-8, including PHL-LHR.” PHL-LHR has been flown with the A330-300, and ZRH is the 788 anyway. So that represents a logical change. PHL-MAD on a 787-8 would be logical, since DFW has been using the type there and the outstation is used to the equipment.
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:14 pm

NYCAAer wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:

That’s going to be interesting, since neither of those crew bases have flight attendants qualified on the 787, and there’s no 787 pilot base in New York. Doesn’t seem practical to start training crews on new aircraft, so are they planning on deadheading crews from other bases to operate these flights, I wonder?


RDU still shows up as B772 in June as of now.

JFK shows 3 daily, one daily B772 and two daily B77W.

ORD 3 daily shows 1 daily B772 and 2 daily B789

DFW 4 dailys shows 2 B772 and 2B77W

MIA 1 daily B77W and LAX 2 daily B77W.

So I don't understand the original tweet. If AA is planning to use B787 on all routes, it is not reflected in the system yet. I understand many B777 based cabin crew are also trained on B789. So cabin crew should not be the issue. However, I don't know about flight deck crew. Maybe someone can tell us more.


I’m a F/A based at JFK, we have precious few who are qualified on the 787, as the aircraft was not planned to operate from New York until 2023 or so, when the next batch of 789s arrive on the property. The base has been exclusively 777 for the past year and a half, so there are no pilots qualified on it in New York. So making JFK go 787 is an operational nightmare, with deadheading in crews from other bases. It also doesn’t seem like a good way to conserve cash, if you have to start training 1500 flight attendants at the drop of a hat, and then there’s pilot training which is lengthy.

What I suspect, since we can only see part of the message, is that all transatlantic flights out of PHL will temporarily be 787-8, since the crews are qualified. PHL will only be operating LHR, MAD and ZRH until the end of October. The message says all transatlantic flying “will be done with the 787-8, including PHL-LHR.” PHL-LHR has been flown with the A330-300, and ZRH is the 788 anyway. So that represents a logical change. PHL-MAD on a 787-8 would be logical, since DFW has been using the type there and the outstation is used to the equipment.

aside from a couple of JFK-LHR flights, I really don't think AA will operate any TATL flight this summer out of JFK. I'm sure they can always rotate through 787 crew from other bases for 1 or 2 flights.
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:51 pm

NYCAAer wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:

That’s going to be interesting, since neither of those crew bases have flight attendants qualified on the 787, and there’s no 787 pilot base in New York. Doesn’t seem practical to start training crews on new aircraft, so are they planning on deadheading crews from other bases to operate these flights, I wonder?


RDU still shows up as B772 in June as of now.

JFK shows 3 daily, one daily B772 and two daily B77W.

ORD 3 daily shows 1 daily B772 and 2 daily B789

DFW 4 dailys shows 2 B772 and 2B77W

MIA 1 daily B77W and LAX 2 daily B77W.

So I don't understand the original tweet. If AA is planning to use B787 on all routes, it is not reflected in the system yet. I understand many B777 based cabin crew are also trained on B789. So cabin crew should not be the issue. However, I don't know about flight deck crew. Maybe someone can tell us more.


I’m a F/A based at JFK, we have precious few who are qualified on the 787, as the aircraft was not planned to operate from New York until 2023 or so, when the next batch of 789s arrive on the property. The base has been exclusively 777 for the past year and a half, so there are no pilots qualified on it in New York. So making JFK go 787 is an operational nightmare, with deadheading in crews from other bases. It also doesn’t seem like a good way to conserve cash, if you have to start training 1500 flight attendants at the drop of a hat, and then there’s pilot training which is lengthy.

What I suspect, since we can only see part of the message, is that all transatlantic flights out of PHL will temporarily be 787-8, since the crews are qualified. PHL will only be operating LHR, MAD and ZRH until the end of October. The message says all transatlantic flying “will be done with the 787-8, including PHL-LHR.” PHL-LHR has been flown with the A330-300, and ZRH is the 788 anyway. So that represents a logical change. PHL-MAD on a 787-8 would be logical, since DFW has been using the type there and the outstation is used to the equipment.


Would it be possible to continue the current effort that AA has shared where no A/A are RON in NYC in terms of JFK TATL Ops? Something like ORD-LHR-JFK-LHR-ORD routings or PHL-LHR-JFK-LHR-PHL? You would have to have crews overnight in NYC but they would not have to be NYC based crews to operate? Or would that violate the contracts of the pilot and/or FA groups?
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:19 pm

Yes, it could be possible that they have out-of-base crews work a 6-day trip to cover flights out of JFK and RDU. JFK is supposed to be operating CDG and MAD on July 7, as well. I believe that JFK-CDG will restart on the planned date, because it’s only one of 2 stations that will be serving CDG along with DFW. Prior to COVID-19, those were the 2 most profitable destinations served from CDG. With everything going on, who knows what will be profitable in the near future, if business travel is curtailed by corporate clients.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:03 am

I thought all AA F/A's were trained on all aircraft types. Was that ever the case?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:57 am

aerace wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
aerace wrote:
So if AA's going all 788, what's going to happen to all the A332s? Keep them parked?


Unless I'm missing something, it's the A333s which are reportedly being retired, not the A332s.


Right, so I am curious what's going to happen to the 332s that normally run TATL.


Heard a story awhile back that AA would eventually put the A332's on the DFW - Hawaii routes,
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Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:45 am

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I thought all AA F/A's were trained on all aircraft types. Was that ever the case?


Very few in NY are trained on the 787.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:19 am

NYCAAer wrote:
I’m a F/A based at JFK, we have precious few who are qualified on the 787, as the aircraft was not planned to operate from New York until 2023 or so, when the next batch of 789s arrive on the property. The base has been exclusively 777 for the past year and a half, so there are no pilots qualified on it in New York. So making JFK go 787 is an operational nightmare, with deadheading in crews from other bases. It also doesn’t seem like a good way to conserve cash, if you have to start training 1500 flight attendants at the drop of a hat, and then there’s pilot training which is lengthy.


It's not really the nightmare you think given the circumstances. The flights in and out of NYC are unlikely to be full even with reduced schedules so the deadhead is less problematic. Also, AA will almost certainly be paying for more crews than the schedule will require for an extended time, so the marginal cost is probably less than you think. And... if they're going to be paying crews with very little flying in the schedule until the passengers come back, they might as well use that time to train the NYC-based crews on the 787. AA has to keep most of its staff employed as part of the bailout they'll be getting from the U.S. Treasury.

As others have pointed out, it wouldn't be that odd if they were to run the flights as something like ORD-JFK-LHR or PHL-JFK-CDG. They could probably even do them as 3-day trips with 3 pilots. A bonus would be that the short hops would keep more pilots current with most of the widebody fleet parked for the time being.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:42 am

ScottB wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
I’m a F/A based at JFK, we have precious few who are qualified on the 787, as the aircraft was not planned to operate from New York until 2023 or so, when the next batch of 789s arrive on the property. The base has been exclusively 777 for the past year and a half, so there are no pilots qualified on it in New York. So making JFK go 787 is an operational nightmare, with deadheading in crews from other bases. It also doesn’t seem like a good way to conserve cash, if you have to start training 1500 flight attendants at the drop of a hat, and then there’s pilot training which is lengthy.


It's not really the nightmare you think given the circumstances. The flights in and out of NYC are unlikely to be full even with reduced schedules so the deadhead is less problematic. Also, AA will almost certainly be paying for more crews than the schedule will require for an extended time, so the marginal cost is probably less than you think. And... if they're going to be paying crews with very little flying in the schedule until the passengers come back, they might as well use that time to train the NYC-based crews on the 787. AA has to keep most of its staff employed as part of the bailout they'll be getting from the U.S. Treasury.

As others have pointed out, it wouldn't be that odd if they were to run the flights as something like ORD-JFK-LHR or PHL-JFK-CDG. They could probably even do them as 3-day trips with 3 pilots. A bonus would be that the short hops would keep more pilots current with most of the widebody fleet parked for the time being.


Those would be 6 day trips at a minimum. Overnight in JFK then Europe overnight 24 hours then overnight in JFK
 
DanDun
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:51 am

There are over 800 out of the 2700 NYC based flight attendants qualified on the 787 if they decided to run a few out of JFK.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:53 am

ScottB wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
I’m a F/A based at JFK, we have precious few who are qualified on the 787, as the aircraft was not planned to operate from New York until 2023 or so, when the next batch of 789s arrive on the property. The base has been exclusively 777 for the past year and a half, so there are no pilots qualified on it in New York. So making JFK go 787 is an operational nightmare, with deadheading in crews from other bases. It also doesn’t seem like a good way to conserve cash, if you have to start training 1500 flight attendants at the drop of a hat, and then there’s pilot training which is lengthy.


It's not really the nightmare you think given the circumstances. The flights in and out of NYC are unlikely to be full even with reduced schedules so the deadhead is less problematic. Also, AA will almost certainly be paying for more crews than the schedule will require for an extended time, so the marginal cost is probably less than you think. And... if they're going to be paying crews with very little flying in the schedule until the passengers come back, they might as well use that time to train the NYC-based crews on the 787. AA has to keep most of its staff employed as part of the bailout they'll be getting from the U.S. Treasury.

As others have pointed out, it wouldn't be that odd if they were to run the flights as something like ORD-JFK-LHR or PHL-JFK-CDG. They could probably even do them as 3-day trips with 3 pilots. A bonus would be that the short hops would keep more pilots current with most of the widebody fleet parked for the time being.


You make some great points.

However, given the current situation, we have no idea if the Union would agree that such 6 days multi sectors trip is a good idea. And we have no idea if any of the US/EU government wants to implement 7 or 14 days quarantine rule for passenger jet crew or not. So from the regulatory point of view, it is a nightmare. AA needs to talk to the Unions and it needs to consider possible regulatory changes ahead.

thus in my personal opinion, I think for June and July flying, the more straightforward planning the better. The less involve with out of base flying the better.
 
Boston757
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:06 pm

There a 100’s if FAs based in Miami that are 787. Since the aircraft was to arrive last fall to MVD then it was pushed to 2020 very senior and all seniority’s had been getting trained. Not to mention Miami is a hot spot for new hires who are trained on the 787.
 
NYCAAer
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:18 pm

chonetsao wrote:
ScottB wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
I’m a F/A based at JFK, we have precious few who are qualified on the 787, as the aircraft was not planned to operate from New York until 2023 or so, when the next batch of 789s arrive on the property. The base has been exclusively 777 for the past year and a half, so there are no pilots qualified on it in New York. So making JFK go 787 is an operational nightmare, with deadheading in crews from other bases. It also doesn’t seem like a good way to conserve cash, if you have to start training 1500 flight attendants at the drop of a hat, and then there’s pilot training which is lengthy.


It's not really the nightmare you think given the circumstances. The flights in and out of NYC are unlikely to be full even with reduced schedules so the deadhead is less problematic. Also, AA will almost certainly be paying for more crews than the schedule will require for an extended time, so the marginal cost is probably less than you think. And... if they're going to be paying crews with very little flying in the schedule until the passengers come back, they might as well use that time to train the NYC-based crews on the 787. AA has to keep most of its staff employed as part of the bailout they'll be getting from the U.S. Treasury.

As others have pointed out, it wouldn't be that odd if they were to run the flights as something like ORD-JFK-LHR or PHL-JFK-CDG. They could probably even do them as 3-day trips with 3 pilots. A bonus would be that the short hops would keep more pilots current with most of the widebody fleet parked for the time being.


You make some great points.

However, given the current situation, we have no idea if the Union would agree that such 6 days multi sectors trip is a good idea. And we have no idea if any of the US/EU government wants to implement 7 or 14 days quarantine rule for passenger jet crew or not. So from the regulatory point of view, it is a nightmare. AA needs to talk to the Unions and it needs to consider possible regulatory changes ahead.

thus in my personal opinion, I think for June and July flying, the more straightforward planning the better. The less involve with out of base flying the better.


I had never thought of that- you make a very good point about what might happen with self-quarantining after a trip.

The other thing that I would think would make more sense is to have some of the 77Ws operating to LHR for cargo capacity alone, even if passenger numbers aren’t very high. The supply chain of essential goods has to continue. The 787-8s don’t have the cargo capacity of the 777s, obviously. AA is currently operating all-cargo flights and all of them are 77W/772.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:40 pm

I am under the impression what was posted is applicable to the PHL base.. The current two TA flights in operation, DFW/MIA-LHR are operating using the 77W. The current cargo flights out of JFK to LHR are on the 77E.

Plus it would be kind of odd to just call out PHL-LHR, more routes than that would be impacted that don’t currently see the 787. Just my interpretation, the whole message was not posted so a lot of guessing room.


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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:48 pm

Ishrion wrote:
sp98 wrote:
It appears that AA will use the 788 on all trans-Atlantic flights once they resume this summer.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1248 ... 74307?s=20


Specifically for the resumptions on June 4.

This includes JFK and RDU to LHR which are two airports that have never seen the AA 787.


JFK has seen the B789 twice, once as a scheduled stop from CDG to DFW. That said, the B789 would make more sense to and from LHR if the B772 and B77W aren't going to be used (use of the B77W was because of first class). RDU, however, has never seen the B788 or B789.

That said, it would make more sense out of PHL and CLT to use the A332.

As for the B772, I could see some being permanently retired.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:03 am

It could be there a market for the 330-200 (I think AA owns these) for a freighter conversion and if AA could sell those to raise capital it could be a win win as AA could further simply it's fleet and gain capital. 2 types of WB and 3 engine types. Plus park a handful of the 777-200ER and bring them back if the need arrises in the short term.
 
Detroit313
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:23 am

Could someone please explain to me why they are oasis retrofitting brand new 321 with screens and are not focusing exclusively first on older legacy US 321 that do not have powerports?

Or maybe the one they did is just going to be the prototype?

But still, why bother if you haven't finished the legacy US fleet yet?

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