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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:27 am

Yes. America West Management.

Detroit313 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why they are oasis retrofitting brand new 321 with screens and are not focusing exclusively first on older legacy US 321 that do not have powerports?

Or maybe the one they did is just going to be the prototype?

But still, why bother if you haven't finished the legacy US fleet yet?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:49 am

n7371f wrote:
Yes. America West Management.

Detroit313 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why they are oasis retrofitting brand new 321 with screens and are not focusing exclusively first on older legacy US 321 that do not have powerports?

Or maybe the one they did is just going to be the prototype?

But still, why bother if you haven't finished the legacy US fleet yet?


There must be SOME kind of reason?

They can't be that stupid.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:52 am

Why are people discussing staffing routes in the fleet thread?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:00 am

Could we see the ex-AA A333s slotted as good candidates for freighter conversion?
Airbus offers the A330P2F program centered around the -300 model.
The first conversion was an even older frame (ex-LTU, ~24 yrs) than all of the ex-AA A333s (~20 yrs) and have same engine type.

 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:34 am

Detroit313 wrote:
n7371f wrote:
Yes. America West Management.

Detroit313 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why they are oasis retrofitting brand new 321 with screens and are not focusing exclusively first on older legacy US 321 that do not have powerports?

Or maybe the one they did is just going to be the prototype?

But still, why bother if you haven't finished the legacy US fleet yet?


There must be SOME kind of reason?

They can't be that stupid.


In my personal opinion, the whole Oasis project is stupid. It happened in the most unfortunate time.

The reason they were doing Oasis, was due to the idea of streamline the whole fleet of A321 and B738. The new A321NEO and B738MAX come with denser capacity and no-AVOD slim seats. So the management thought it is a great time of starting to retrofit the A321CEO and B738NG so that when A321NEO and B738MAX comes, the aircraft would have similar capacity and the whole fleet would be streamlined. Also, the management believed that Airlines Will Never Loose Money Again (AWNLMA), and the market will expand forever, so it seemed a good idea to add 12 seats each aircraft (average 7% capacity rise without adding aircraft), but they have to move AVOD to save money...

Now, look back, the whole Oasis project is waste of money and total disaster.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:03 pm

AAlaxfan wrote:
Why are people discussing staffing routes in the fleet thread?


Because it relates to the fleet in terms of aircraft types.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:10 pm

chonetsao wrote:
In my personal opinion, the whole Oasis project is stupid. It happened in the most unfortunate time.

The reason they were doing Oasis, was due to the idea of streamline the whole fleet of A321 and B738. The new A321NEO and B738MAX come with denser capacity and no-AVOD slim seats. So the management thought it is a great time of starting to retrofit the A321CEO and B738NG so that when A321NEO and B738MAX comes, the aircraft would have similar capacity and the whole fleet would be streamlined. Also, the management believed that Airlines Will Never Loose Money Again (AWNLMA), and the market will expand forever, so it seemed a good idea to add 12 seats each aircraft (average 7% capacity rise without adding aircraft), but they have to move AVOD to save money...

Now, look back, the whole Oasis project is waste of money and total disaster.


I forgot about Parker's quote about how "Airlines Will Never Loose Money Again"; it was stupid to have said it, and that's been borne out as there was bound to be some calamity which would hit the industry and make past downturns like 9/11 and 2008 look like a dinner party. Also totally agree with you about Oasis, and seeing what DL in particular has been doing with their interiors (specifically IFE), it was truly a stupid idea. The two biggest mistakes made by Parker and/or AA management in general IMHO (well, maybe two of the top five).
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:04 pm

The original OASIS plan was to do the LUS first, but this fall with the MAX grounding showing no end in sight they pivoted and with LF in the upper 80% they needed the additional "Aircraft" adding those 12 seats created.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:55 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why they are oasis retrofitting brand new 321 with screens and are not focusing exclusively first on older legacy US 321 that do not have powerports?

Or maybe the one they did is just going to be the prototype?

But still, why bother if you haven't finished the legacy US fleet yet?


I’m sure the one they are doing is the prototype. It has to fly for a certain period to certify it before it can be done on the other A321S. I’m sure this is all on hold now tho. More A321Ls (LUS) would have been retrofitted by now but because of the MAX debacle that put a hold on their plans. Now with COVID-19 in the mix this has become another roadblock.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:26 pm

AAPramugari14 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why they are oasis retrofitting brand new 321 with screens and are not focusing exclusively first on older legacy US 321 that do not have powerports?

Or maybe the one they did is just going to be the prototype?

But still, why bother if you haven't finished the legacy US fleet yet?


I’m sure the one they are doing is the prototype. It has to fly for a certain period to certify it before it can be done on the other A321S. I’m sure this is all on hold now tho. More A321Ls (LUS) would have been retrofitted by now but because of the MAX debacle that put a hold on their plans. Now with COVID-19 in the mix this has become another roadblock.


That makes sense. Thank you. I was sure there was a reason behind that move.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:31 pm

cathay747 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
In my personal opinion, the whole Oasis project is stupid. It happened in the most unfortunate time.

The reason they were doing Oasis, was due to the idea of streamline the whole fleet of A321 and B738. The new A321NEO and B738MAX come with denser capacity and no-AVOD slim seats. So the management thought it is a great time of starting to retrofit the A321CEO and B738NG so that when A321NEO and B738MAX comes, the aircraft would have similar capacity and the whole fleet would be streamlined. Also, the management believed that Airlines Will Never Loose Money Again (AWNLMA), and the market will expand forever, so it seemed a good idea to add 12 seats each aircraft (average 7% capacity rise without adding aircraft), but they have to move AVOD to save money...

Now, look back, the whole Oasis project is waste of money and total disaster.


I forgot about Parker's quote about how "Airlines Will Never Loose Money Again"; it was stupid to have said it, and that's been borne out as there was bound to be some calamity which would hit the industry and make past downturns like 9/11 and 2008 look like a dinner party. Also totally agree with you about Oasis, and seeing what DL in particular has been doing with their interiors (specifically IFE), it was truly a stupid idea. The two biggest mistakes made by Parker and/or AA management in general IMHO (well, maybe two of the top five).


The current legacy AA 321 has like 12-14 seats LESS than Delta's 321.

Even the Oasis 321 has a couple of seats LESS than Delta's 321.

So your argument is invalid.

Why is it OK for Delta to have 196 seats on the 321 and not for AA. AA is a business. They have to compete. Delta is in most cases the legacy airline that always adds more seats and then the rest follow the trend. For some reason just because they keep the screens you guys don't complain.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:36 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
In my personal opinion, the whole Oasis project is stupid. It happened in the most unfortunate time.

The reason they were doing Oasis, was due to the idea of streamline the whole fleet of A321 and B738. The new A321NEO and B738MAX come with denser capacity and no-AVOD slim seats. So the management thought it is a great time of starting to retrofit the A321CEO and B738NG so that when A321NEO and B738MAX comes, the aircraft would have similar capacity and the whole fleet would be streamlined. Also, the management believed that Airlines Will Never Loose Money Again (AWNLMA), and the market will expand forever, so it seemed a good idea to add 12 seats each aircraft (average 7% capacity rise without adding aircraft), but they have to move AVOD to save money...

Now, look back, the whole Oasis project is waste of money and total disaster.


I forgot about Parker's quote about how "Airlines Will Never Loose Money Again"; it was stupid to have said it, and that's been borne out as there was bound to be some calamity which would hit the industry and make past downturns like 9/11 and 2008 look like a dinner party. Also totally agree with you about Oasis, and seeing what DL in particular has been doing with their interiors (specifically IFE), it was truly a stupid idea. The two biggest mistakes made by Parker and/or AA management in general IMHO (well, maybe two of the top five).


The current legacy AA 321 has like 12-14 seats LESS than Delta's 321.

Even the Oasis 321 has a couple of seats LESS than Delta's 321.

So your argument is invalid.

Why is it OK for Delta to have 196 seats on the 321 and not for AA. AA is a business. They have to compete. Delta is in most cases the legacy airline that always adds more seats and then the rest follow the trend. For some reason just because they keep the screens you guys don't complain.


Despite the added seats, Delta still maintained IFE and apparently 31 inches of pitch on the A321 unlike Oasis’ 30 inches of pitch?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:39 pm

AAPramugari14 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why they are oasis retrofitting brand new 321 with screens and are not focusing exclusively first on older legacy US 321 that do not have powerports?

Or maybe the one they did is just going to be the prototype?

But still, why bother if you haven't finished the legacy US fleet yet?


I’m sure the one they are doing is the prototype. It has to fly for a certain period to certify it before it can be done on the other A321S. I’m sure this is all on hold now tho. More A321Ls (LUS) would have been retrofitted by now but because of the MAX debacle that put a hold on their plans. Now with COVID-19 in the mix this has become another roadblock.

They have done several LUS A321s I believe
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:00 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
n7371f wrote:
Yes. America West Management.

Detroit313 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why they are oasis retrofitting brand new 321 with screens and are not focusing exclusively first on older legacy US 321 that do not have powerports?

Or maybe the one they did is just going to be the prototype?

But still, why bother if you haven't finished the legacy US fleet yet?


There must be SOME kind of reason?

They can't be that stupid.

This is team Tempe we're talking about. They can be and most always are THAT STUPID.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:39 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
AAPramugari14 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why they are oasis retrofitting brand new 321 with screens and are not focusing exclusively first on older legacy US 321 that do not have powerports?

Or maybe the one they did is just going to be the prototype?

But still, why bother if you haven't finished the legacy US fleet yet?


I’m sure the one they are doing is the prototype. It has to fly for a certain period to certify it before it can be done on the other A321S. I’m sure this is all on hold now tho. More A321Ls (LUS) would have been retrofitted by now but because of the MAX debacle that put a hold on their plans. Now with COVID-19 in the mix this has become another roadblock.

They have done several LUS A321s I believe


Yes, they have done like 4 LUS 321 so far.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:01 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why they are oasis retrofitting brand new 321 with screens and are not focusing exclusively first on older legacy US 321 that do not have powerports?

Or maybe the one they did is just going to be the prototype?

But still, why bother if you haven't finished the legacy US fleet yet?

Was that particular A321 due for major maintenance?
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:02 am

Which legacy AA 32B was given Oasis?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:59 am

Does anyone know when the 757/767s will be exiting the fleet? Or has a date not been announced yet?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:12 am

ACA772LR wrote:
Does anyone know when the 757/767s will be exiting the fleet? Or has a date not been announced yet?

All 767s are retired as are the 757s, some of the 757s might come back
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:45 am

Boof02671 wrote:
ACA772LR wrote:
Does anyone know when the 757/767s will be exiting the fleet? Or has a date not been announced yet?

All 767s are retired as are the 757s, some of the 757s might come back

Will any of the USAir 757s come back?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:10 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Will any of the USAir 757s come back?

Highly unlikely...
The ex-US 757s that mostly did PHX runs did not get the glass cockpit updates the AA ones received.
AA sold the ex-US simulator (i.e. the one in CLT without glass cockpit updates) to ATI recently as well.
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:17 am

KFTG wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Will any of the USAir 757s come back?

Highly unlikely...
The ex-US 757s that mostly did PHX runs did not get the glass cockpit updates the AA ones received.
AA sold the ex-US simulator (i.e. the one in CLT without glass cockpit updates) to ATI recently as well.

Some of the 757s will be back and retired summer of 2021.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:24 am

Boof02671 wrote:
KFTG wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Will any of the USAir 757s come back?

Highly unlikely...
The ex-US 757s that mostly did PHX runs did not get the glass cockpit updates the AA ones received.
AA sold the ex-US simulator (i.e. the one in CLT without glass cockpit updates) to ATI recently as well.

Some of the 757s will be back and retired summer of 2021.


I hope it is the LAA ones coming back...not those LUS ones... :cloudnine:
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:34 pm

chonetsao wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
KFTG wrote:
Highly unlikely...
The ex-US 757s that mostly did PHX runs did not get the glass cockpit updates the AA ones received.
AA sold the ex-US simulator (i.e. the one in CLT without glass cockpit updates) to ATI recently as well.

Some of the 757s will be back and retired summer of 2021.


I hope it is the LAA ones coming back...not those LUS ones... :cloudnine:


The LUS were initially set to retire by the of this year so I'm sure they are permanently grounded (at least for AA). I guess if demand comes back on some of the Western Europe locations (other than LHR, CDG, MAD) we might see the return of the some of the LAAs.
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:45 pm

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I am under the impression what was posted is applicable to the PHL base.. The current two TA flights in operation, DFW/MIA-LHR are operating using the 77W. The current cargo flights out of JFK to LHR are on the 77E.

Plus it would be kind of odd to just call out PHL-LHR, more routes than that would be impacted that don’t currently see the 787. Just my interpretation, the whole message was not posted so a lot of guessing room.


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I think you could be right.

Last night when I checked June schedule. AA still shows B772 and B77W for most LHR-USA rotations with the exception of ORD B789 and CLT/PHL on A333. The frequency is definitely updated to the new schedule.

I will check again tomorrow to see if it is fully updated or not. But I was surprised to see CLT/PHL on A333 for June last night. It can't be final yet. Will be interesting to see once the full schedule is uploaded.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:46 pm

KFTG wrote:
Could we see the ex-AA A333s slotted as good candidates for freighter conversion?
Airbus offers the A330P2F program centered around the -300 model.
The first conversion was an even older frame (ex-LTU, ~24 yrs) than all of the ex-AA A333s (~20 yrs) and have same engine type.


Possibly, however the program was churning conversions out at the rate of demand which, even before the virus, was pretty low. The facility wasn’t anywhere near capacity, unlike the 3 767 conversion lines.
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:19 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Some of the 757s will be back and retired summer of 2021.


I hope it is the LAA ones coming back...not those LUS ones... :cloudnine:


The LUS were initially set to retire by the of this year so I'm sure they are permanently grounded (at least for AA). I guess if demand comes back on some of the Western Europe locations (other than LHR, CDG, MAD) we might see the return of the some of the LAAs.


The LUS birds were actually adjusted to a Aug 2021 retirement date last year when the decision was made to keep them to be able to support DFW900 and CLT700 despite the MAX and NEO delays.

That being said, I don't expect them back.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:24 pm

I have to say, I flew on an Oasis 321 and it was very nice.

The bins were like nothing I have ever seen on a narrowbody airplane in the US. They were enormous. Did Airbus make those bins specifically for AA? It is really shocking how big they are.

Also, power and USB ports at every seat.

The tablet holders are pretty neat too and I like how the USB port is right next to the tablet holder.

Personally, I like Delta's 321. Delta does not have tablet holders with USB ports next to them, their overhead bins as not as big and impressive as AA's and the exit rows at 2L&R and 3L&R do not have as much space as AA offers.

Not to mention that Delta's AFT lavs are tiny and squeezed INSIDE the AFT galley. You have to go through the flight attendants' work space in order to get to the lav which is not nice. I am glad AA has kept the lavs out of the AFT galley.
 
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:11 am

Sooner787 wrote:
aerace wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:

Unless I'm missing something, it's the A333s which are reportedly being retired, not the A332s.


Right, so I am curious what's going to happen to the 332s that normally run TATL.


Heard a story awhile back that AA would eventually put the A332's on the DFW - Hawaii routes,
Maybe LAX- Hawaii as well


I would be shocked if the A332 is based at DFW, which I don't think has ever seen that type operating out of that base (the only time you'd really see the A332/333 at DFW is on a NFL charter from PHL or CLT). It makes no sense to deploy the A332 on DFW-Hawaii routes when the 777 and 787 are based at DFW.
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:25 am

Only PHL and CLT have A330 Pilot bases.
 
 
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N293AY scheduled to ferry to ROW tomorrow from CLT. Right now it's parked at gate A12
 
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:07 pm

I guess its better to store the A332 at ROW instead of PHL and CLT?
And I'm assuming this is even for longer term?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:10 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
n7371f wrote:
Yes. America West Management.

Detroit313 wrote:
Could someone please explain to me why they are oasis retrofitting brand new 321 with screens and are not focusing exclusively first on older legacy US 321 that do not have powerports?

Or maybe the one they did is just going to be the prototype?

But still, why bother if you haven't finished the legacy US fleet yet?


There must be SOME kind of reason?

They can't be that stupid.


Active disdain for their customers is the only thing I can think of.

That being said, in terms of seat comfort, the LUS A321s are vastly superior to the LAA A321s and the trashed A321s.
 
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:34 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
I guess its better to store the A332 at ROW instead of PHL and CLT?
And I'm assuming this is even for longer term?


ROW only gets about 15 inches of rain per year which I think anything more than a couple months of storage make it worthwhile. Recently TUL had a significant hailstorm and numerous aircraft needed inspection but I'm not aware of the damage. Probably best to limit the chances of weather damaging stored aircraft.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:28 am

Of AA's last two "active" B757s, N172AJ was moved TUL to ROW on 4-9, while N173AN continues in heavy maint. at BFM.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:06 am

Detroit313 wrote:
I have to say, I flew on an Oasis 321 and it was very nice.

The bins were like nothing I have ever seen on a narrowbody airplane in the US. They were enormous. Did Airbus make those bins specifically for AA? It is really shocking how big they are.

Also, power and USB ports at every seat.

The tablet holders are pretty neat too and I like how the USB port is right next to the tablet holder.

Personally, I like Delta's 321. Delta does not have tablet holders with USB ports next to them, their overhead bins as not as big and impressive as AA's and the exit rows at 2L&R and 3L&R do not have as much space as AA offers.

Not to mention that Delta's AFT lavs are tiny and squeezed INSIDE the AFT galley. You have to go through the flight attendants' work space in order to get to the lav which is not nice. I am glad AA has kept the lavs out of the AFT galley.


All these differences allowed for a more uniformed experience in coach. This why majority of Rows on delta 321s have 31 or more inches of legroom. If u want more room get comfort plus. Delta has a usb on the screen that I use for my tablet in the very rare case that I use it.

Also delta 321 have 192 I saw a previous poster say delta has 196.
 
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Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:00 am

LawAndOrder wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
I have to say, I flew on an Oasis 321 and it was very nice.

The bins were like nothing I have ever seen on a narrowbody airplane in the US. They were enormous. Did Airbus make those bins specifically for AA? It is really shocking how big they are.

Also, power and USB ports at every seat.

The tablet holders are pretty neat too and I like how the USB port is right next to the tablet holder.

Personally, I like Delta's 321. Delta does not have tablet holders with USB ports next to them, their overhead bins as not as big and impressive as AA's and the exit rows at 2L&R and 3L&R do not have as much space as AA offers.

Not to mention that Delta's AFT lavs are tiny and squeezed INSIDE the AFT galley. You have to go through the flight attendants' work space in order to get to the lav which is not nice. I am glad AA has kept the lavs out of the AFT galley.


All these differences allowed for a more uniformed experience in coach. This why majority of Rows on delta 321s have 31 or more inches of legroom. If u want more room get comfort plus. Delta has a usb on the screen that I use for my tablet in the very rare case that I use it.

Also delta 321 have 192 I saw a previous poster say delta has 196.


That's still MORE seats than on LAA, LUS and Oasis 321.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:08 am

AA has updated its schedule for MAY re LHR flights.

AA80/81 from/to DFW will be operated by B788 between 7th/8th [**outbound/return] May and 2nd/3rd June as the sole daily flight between DFW and LHR. It will be switched to B772 from 3rd/4th June.
The other flight between USA and UK on AA from and to MIA remain B77W for now.

Also CLT/PHL-LHR in June/July still shown as A333 as of now.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:18 pm

JohanTally wrote:
N293AY scheduled to ferry to ROW tomorrow from CLT. Right now it's parked at gate A12


Three A330-200s moving to ROW today, 4-15.

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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:48 pm

How much longer are the A332s hanging around? I know they aren’t supposed to leave anytime soon but now they are a slight oddball in the fleet.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:53 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
How much longer are the A332s hanging around? I know they aren’t supposed to leave anytime soon but now they are a slight oddball in the fleet.


AA's fleet of fifteen A330-200s range from 6 yrs to 11 yrs in age, kind of young to retire. My theory is, AA is going to park them until they see how quickly traffic returns and where they can use them effectively in their network.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:05 pm

I would think the 332's will fly CLT/PHL-LHR routes as they offer a PE cabin versus the 333 which appears to have been retired.
As to when that service will resume will be a couple months away and once established it will be easy to get these aircraft back to flying and with crew bases currently in CLT and PHL, it would be beneficial to have the aircraft on that premium route.
It traditionally also flies to CDG from both cities so easy use of this subfleet to those two key markets.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:13 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
How much longer are the A332s hanging around? I know they aren’t supposed to leave anytime soon but now they are a slight oddball in the fleet.

Yeah but you still have A330 pilots around. Sure its small but they work well for TATL routes. I can't see AA getting rid of them anytime soon. Sure it's doesn't have the same fuel burn as the B789 but still competitive.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:32 pm

Parker said on CNBC today saying they are waiting on FAA approval to remove seats from some wide body planes for cargo purposes.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:39 pm

deltaffindfw wrote:
Parker said on CNBC today saying they are waiting on FAA approval to remove seats from some wide body planes for cargo purposes.


That's interesting. I guess it means all the seats on the plane would be removed, but would be interesting if they did a "combi" on them.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:58 pm

N62NA wrote:
deltaffindfw wrote:
Parker said on CNBC today saying they are waiting on FAA approval to remove seats from some wide body planes for cargo purposes.


That's interesting. I guess it means all the seats on the plane would be removed, but would be interesting if they did a "combi" on them.


Oy, that just sounds like an insane barrel of worms. How do you properly protect the cargo while not restricting exit routes? How do you control flammability issues? The FAs have fume hoods, but do you have enough for the passengers?

I think we'll see them leave the premium seats on like other airlines have done, since those take a bit more to take out.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:58 pm

N62NA wrote:
deltaffindfw wrote:
Parker said on CNBC today saying they are waiting on FAA approval to remove seats from some wide body planes for cargo purposes.


That's interesting. I guess it means all the seats on the plane would be removed, but would be interesting if they did a "combi" on them.


I doubt they'd would ask or get approval for a combi. This is likely to just increase their volume on the cargo only flights they're currently operating.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:56 pm

N62NA wrote:
deltaffindfw wrote:
Parker said on CNBC today saying they are waiting on FAA approval to remove seats from some wide body planes for cargo purposes.


That's interesting. I guess it means all the seats on the plane would be removed, but would be interesting if they did a "combi" on them.

Not permissible, one it’s unsafe and two the plane was never certified in that configuration

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