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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:44 am

All AA 767/757 ground school Instructors and simulator instructors are being reassigned to different fleets. Yes, it’s official, the 767/757 fleet is DOA.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:21 am

Detroit313 wrote:
https://sites.google.com/site/newamericanfleet/

This website just updated it says 127 737 have been reconfigured as of now. And 5 321.


Which 5 321’s only shows 150, 161, and 162
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:36 am

Jo8338 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
https://sites.google.com/site/newamericanfleet/

This website just updated it says 127 737 have been reconfigured as of now. And 5 321.


Which 5 321’s only shows 150, 161, and 162


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the other two are 156 and 578.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:30 pm

All the aircraft in TUL are being inspected following 2 storms in the last 3 days, one with small hail.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:13 pm

496TFS wrote:
All AA 767/757 ground school Instructors and simulator instructors are being reassigned to different fleets. Yes, it’s official, the 767/757 fleet is DOA.


So sad about the 757. What I thought was likely my last flight on one back in Sept. has now become the final one. All due to the fact that with living in PHX, and nowhere to go anyway, flying a UA or DL 757 ain't gonna happen. :grumpy: :hissyfit: :tombstone:
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:25 pm

Somebody knows the reg of the 76 B738?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:40 pm

cathay747 wrote:
496TFS wrote:
All AA 767/757 ground school Instructors and simulator instructors are being reassigned to different fleets. Yes, it’s official, the 767/757 fleet is DOA.


So sad about the 757. What I thought was likely my last flight on one back in Sept. has now become the final one. All due to the fact that with living in PHX, and nowhere to go anyway, flying a UA or DL 757 ain't gonna happen. :grumpy: :hissyfit: :tombstone:


I thought the original plan is to keep some LAA International B757s for a little bit longer. So now the firm plan is to retire the entire fleet?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:56 pm

danipawa wrote:
Somebody knows the reg of the 76 B738?


901 thru 978, less 911 and 977 are the 1999-2001 builds.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:46 pm

danipawa wrote:
Somebody knows the reg of the 76 B738?

N901AN - N976AN.
Kind of hard to believe they only outlived the Super 80 by 7 months.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:48 pm

That’s right I forgot about the write off 977
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:55 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
danipawa wrote:
Somebody knows the reg of the 76 B738?


901 thru 978, less 911 and 977 are the 1999-2001 builds.

To be fair, in the pilot crew news Robert said they would look at future demand and determine how the fleet would look going forward. There was a possibility to accelerate the retirement of the earlier build 737. Reuters stated based on that comment those 737 would be retired.


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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:06 pm

Jo8338 wrote:
danipawa wrote:
Somebody knows the reg of the 76 B738?

N901AN - N976AN.
Kind of hard to believe they only outlived the Super 80 by 7 months.


The other poster stated aircraft N901AN (3AA) thru N978AN (3DL), which is correct because AA skipped N911AN and aircraft N977AN (3DK) was written off in Kingston in 2009.

N977AN is also notable because it was the last aircraft to be destroyed in an accident by a major US passenger carrier.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:31 pm

OB1504 wrote:
Jo8338 wrote:
danipawa wrote:
Somebody knows the reg of the 76 B738?

N901AN - N976AN.
Kind of hard to believe they only outlived the Super 80 by 7 months.


The other poster stated aircraft N901AN (3AA) thru N978AN (3DL), which is correct because AA skipped N911AN and aircraft N977AN (3DK) was written off in Kingston in 2009.

N977AN is also notable because it was the last aircraft to be destroyed in an accident by a major US passenger carrier.


Delta and United have both written off airplanes in accidents since then.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:41 pm

JBirdAV8r wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
Jo8338 wrote:
N901AN - N976AN.
Kind of hard to believe they only outlived the Super 80 by 7 months.


The other poster stated aircraft N901AN (3AA) thru N978AN (3DL), which is correct because AA skipped N911AN and aircraft N977AN (3DK) was written off in Kingston in 2009.

N977AN is also notable because it was the last aircraft to be destroyed in an accident by a major US passenger carrier.


Delta and United have both written off airplanes in accidents since then.



AA has also written off one for certain and possibly two pending the outcome of what happens to that A321 at JFK.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:40 am

Delta and United have both written off airplanes in accidents since then.


Correct.
For Delta N909DL (MD-88 landing in the snowstorm at LGA in 2015) and N664US (747-400 that suffered hail damage flying through Chinese airspace in 2015) were both written off.

United had N26123 — the hard landing 757-200 incident at EWR in June 2019 — written off.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:13 am

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
JBirdAV8r wrote:
OB1504 wrote:

The other poster stated aircraft N901AN (3AA) thru N978AN (3DL), which is correct because AA skipped N911AN and aircraft N977AN (3DK) was written off in Kingston in 2009.

N977AN is also notable because it was the last aircraft to be destroyed in an accident by a major US passenger carrier.


Delta and United have both written off airplanes in accidents since then.



AA has also written off one for certain and possibly two pending the outcome of what happens to that A321 at JFK.

Supposedly Airbus is going to replace the wing. It’s in the insurance company’s hand now.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:28 am

Posted this in the network thread, but these changes pertain to AA's fleet.

More updates to AA's long-haul network just loaded in minutes ago and are available on aa.com. This includes the first scheduled 772 service for CLT.

(!) CLT-MUC resumption July 7 confirmed 772 launch replacing A332
(!) CLT-LHR resumption July 7 going 772 replacing A333
DFW-LIM pushed back to Oct 25 - still 788 replacing 752
PHL-LHR resumption June 4 - 788 replacing A333

Pics of the booking if anyone needs it: https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1254278981429403648
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:20 am

arielwar wrote:
I wonder if the new A321 long ranch aircraft they ordered recent will have AVOD ?


Those are suppose to operate to Europe and some longer routes like ANC and south America. Can you imagine if in 2020 they arrive with no AVOD.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:15 am

Ishrion wrote:
Posted this in the network thread, but these changes pertain to AA's fleet.

More updates to AA's long-haul network just loaded in minutes ago and are available on aa.com. This includes the first scheduled 772 service for CLT.

(!) CLT-MUC resumption July 7 confirmed 772 launch replacing A332
(!) CLT-LHR resumption July 7 going 772 replacing A333
DFW-LIM pushed back to Oct 25 - still 788 replacing 752
PHL-LHR resumption June 4 - 788 replacing A333

Pics of the booking if anyone needs it: https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1254278981429403648


Interesting. I see that AA’s website isn’t taking premium economy bookings on the 772 yet.

I’ll kinda miss the A333 - it was like an old friend on my LHR-CLT flights...
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:37 am

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
arielwar wrote:
I wonder if the new A321 long ranch aircraft they ordered recent will have AVOD ?


Those are suppose to operate to Europe and some longer routes like ANC and south America. Can you imagine if in 2020 they arrive with no AVOD.

The A321XLRs aren’t scheduled to be at AA until 2023. The plane isn’t built nor certified yet.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:51 am

Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:55 am

tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s

Cost too much to reconfigure the 321T. Plan is to use the 777 and when demand increases for premium service for the 321T to resume. And not all the 757s are going to be retired yet.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:01 pm

tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s


Or they could just operate aircraft with domestic F, like UA will be doing.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-pu ... lie-flats/

It's not like there's a shortage of AA narrowbody aircraft with transcon range.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:22 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s


Or they could just operate aircraft with domestic F, like UA will be doing.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-pu ... lie-flats/

It's not like there's a shortage of AA narrowbody aircraft with transcon range.


That’s actually what triggered this thought on my part. I do expect ua to bring it back after this.

Also, I fully expect 757s to never come back for aa. Why else would they run displacement bid for all the 757 pilots?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:40 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s

Cost too much to reconfigure the 321T. Plan is to use the 777 and when demand increases for premium service for the 321T to resume. And not all the 757s are going to be retired yet.


Use the 777? Wouldn't that lose even more $$$$ than the A321T?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:55 pm

Swadian wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s

Cost too much to reconfigure the 321T. Plan is to use the 777 and when demand increases for premium service for the 321T to resume. And not all the 757s are going to be retired yet.


Use the 777? Wouldn't that lose even more $$$$ than the A321T?


They might need the cargo space?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:03 pm

tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s

With traffic down, the 102 seat A321T is an ideal airplane on JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO. Maybe temporarily classify the J seats as MCE. Using 757 or 767, if AA had kept them, would be more costly than the A321T.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:54 pm

Swadian wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s

Cost too much to reconfigure the 321T. Plan is to use the 777 and when demand increases for premium service for the 321T to resume. And not all the 757s are going to be retired yet.


Use the 777? Wouldn't that lose even more $$$$ than the A321T?

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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:55 pm

Austin787 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s

With traffic down, the 102 seat A321T is an ideal airplane on JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO. Maybe temporarily classify the J seats as MCE. Using 757 or 767, if AA had kept them, would be more costly than the A321T.

There are no JFK-SFO flights for months
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:52 pm

Austin787 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s

With traffic down, the 102 seat A321T is an ideal airplane on JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO. Maybe temporarily classify the J seats as MCE. Using 757 or 767, if AA had kept them, would be more costly than the A321T.


An A321T is only "ideal" when there are enough folks paying the full J and F fares to make up for the high CASM of such a low-density aircraft... If you don't need or can't fill the premium seats, it's way cheaper to operate a much lighter A319.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:40 pm

FSDan wrote:
Austin787 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s

With traffic down, the 102 seat A321T is an ideal airplane on JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO. Maybe temporarily classify the J seats as MCE. Using 757 or 767, if AA had kept them, would be more costly than the A321T.


An A321T is only "ideal" when there are enough folks paying the full J and F fares to make up for the high CASM of such a low-density aircraft... If you don't need or can't fill the premium seats, it's way cheaper to operate a much lighter A319.

I believe the Hollywood contracts require a number of premium seats.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:22 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Austin787 wrote:
With traffic down, the 102 seat A321T is an ideal airplane on JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO. Maybe temporarily classify the J seats as MCE. Using 757 or 767, if AA had kept them, would be more costly than the A321T.


An A321T is only "ideal" when there are enough folks paying the full J and F fares to make up for the high CASM of such a low-density aircraft... If you don't need or can't fill the premium seats, it's way cheaper to operate a much lighter A319.

I believe the Hollywood contracts require a number of premium seats.


It is a real question at this point, how much corporate spend you will get out of hollywood A Listers when there is 20% unemployment.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:58 pm

FSDan wrote:
Austin787 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s

With traffic down, the 102 seat A321T is an ideal airplane on JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO. Maybe temporarily classify the J seats as MCE. Using 757 or 767, if AA had kept them, would be more costly than the A321T.


An A321T is only "ideal" when there are enough folks paying the full J and F fares to make up for the high CASM of such a low-density aircraft... If you don't need or can't fill the premium seats, it's way cheaper to operate a much lighter A319.


The A319 is probably the best aircraft for every domestic route remaining at this point, but I wonder if they have enough to go around.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:22 am

tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s


I could see them use a few on MIA - LAX that is the next most premium route in the country and they used it this past Christmas with some success.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:25 am

OB1504 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Austin787 wrote:
With traffic down, the 102 seat A321T is an ideal airplane on JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO. Maybe temporarily classify the J seats as MCE. Using 757 or 767, if AA had kept them, would be more costly than the A321T.


An A321T is only "ideal" when there are enough folks paying the full J and F fares to make up for the high CASM of such a low-density aircraft... If you don't need or can't fill the premium seats, it's way cheaper to operate a much lighter A319.


The A319 is probably the best aircraft for every domestic route remaining at this point, but I wonder if they have enough to go around.


The 319 only has 8F no way it’s premium heavy enough for transcon
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:01 am

OB1504 wrote:

The A319 is probably the best aircraft for every domestic route remaining at this point, but I wonder if they have enough to go around.


I was wondering around CLT yesterday and they had a CLT-DFW go out with 183 booked on an A321. At least some of these routes they're filling up, albeit at significantly reduced frequencies. Heck most routes aren't taking more than an Eagle 175.

Also one of my buddies crunched the TSA numbers and this past week had 85,000 more passengers than last week fwiw
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:32 am

Kestrel333 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Posted this in the network thread, but these changes pertain to AA's fleet.

More updates to AA's long-haul network just loaded in minutes ago and are available on aa.com. This includes the first scheduled 772 service for CLT.

(!) CLT-MUC resumption July 7 confirmed 772 launch replacing A332
(!) CLT-LHR resumption July 7 going 772 replacing A333
DFW-LIM pushed back to Oct 25 - still 788 replacing 752
PHL-LHR resumption June 4 - 788 replacing A333

Pics of the booking if anyone needs it: https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1254278981429403648


Interesting. I see that AA’s website isn’t taking premium economy bookings on the 772 yet.

I’ll kinda miss the A333 - it was like an old friend on my LHR-CLT flights...

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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:16 am

Jo8338 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s


I could see them use a few on MIA - LAX that is the next most premium route in the country and they used it this past Christmas with some success.

I believe it was tried and stopped
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:38 am

airplanedaj wrote:
OB1504 wrote:

The A319 is probably the best aircraft for every domestic route remaining at this point, but I wonder if they have enough to go around.


I was wondering around CLT yesterday and they had a CLT-DFW go out with 183 booked on an A321. At least some of these routes they're filling up, albeit at significantly reduced frequencies. Heck most routes aren't taking more than an Eagle 175.

Also one of my buddies crunched the TSA numbers and this past week had 85,000 more passengers than last week fwiw


There are quite few flights showing seriously over booked on AA's TATL flights in May. But we all know many of those people will not be travelling as things stand.

Yes, but I do agree with you, domestic flights in US will see more and more travellers as of now. A certain degree of rebound is in sight. The question is by how much.

Please update again when you have more news and figures. Your numbers are very valuable (even though the sample is small in the grand picture).
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:39 am

Even with 20% unemployment as long as there's no health interventions Hollywood will go on. Hollywood flourished in the 1930s. Hollywood can provide low cost content and the masses will consume. But entertainment contracts along won't justify flying the 321T. There could be a re-configuration to 4 seats in F, a smaller J cabin, less MCE seats and then more steerage seats.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:47 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
Even with 20% unemployment as long as there's no health interventions Hollywood will go on. Hollywood flourished in the 1930s. Hollywood can provide low cost content and the masses will consume. But entertainment contracts along won't justify flying the 321T. There could be a re-configuration to 4 seats in F, a smaller J cabin, less MCE seats and then more steerage seats.


Depends on the contractual requirement and cost.

It might be more cost effective to leave the A321T unchanged than spend more money on aircraft reconfiguration. Capacity can be adjusted by reducing frequency or deploy a different aircraft. Reconfiguration is not all the answers.

In a post-COVID19 world, for a short period of time, non-stop option will command price premium as people could be afraid of transiting in hubs and changing airplane. Thus the LAX-JFK A321T will do well. It is a configuration have the above-average-flyer in mind. Of course there will be short term traffic number downward pressure. But the yield will be making a faster return than average flying. For someone who can afford a J or F non-stop seats on AA's A321T, they will continue to fly this configuration as they can see the attraction of less people per square footage for this aircraft compare with let us say a normal A321.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:16 pm

Jo8338 wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
FSDan wrote:

An A321T is only "ideal" when there are enough folks paying the full J and F fares to make up for the high CASM of such a low-density aircraft... If you don't need or can't fill the premium seats, it's way cheaper to operate a much lighter A319.


The A319 is probably the best aircraft for every domestic route remaining at this point, but I wonder if they have enough to go around.


The 319 only has 8F no way it’s premium heavy enough for transcon


From what I've seen, most premium cabins aren't going out full to begin with.

Boof02671 wrote:
Jo8338 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s


I could see them use a few on MIA - LAX that is the next most premium route in the country and they used it this past Christmas with some success.

I believe it was tried and stopped


It was only ever scheduled for a few weeks from the very beginning.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:50 pm

JohanTally wrote:
Another hail event in TUL requiring inspections of aircraft according to JonNYC


And another hail event forecasted today with destructive hail possible. Hoping it misses the airport.

https://twitter.com/MikeCollierWX/statu ... 5594674183
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:07 pm

jholio wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
Another hail event in TUL requiring inspections of aircraft according to JonNYC


And another hail event forecasted today with destructive hail possible. Hoping it misses the airport.

https://twitter.com/MikeCollierWX/statu ... 5594674183


It's almost like AA is fishing for a massive insurance payout. But man, major damage to all those planes could also kill their recovery.

If I were their insurer I'd make them move some, at least for a couple months.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:28 pm

illinicmi wrote:
jholio wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
Another hail event in TUL requiring inspections of aircraft according to JonNYC


And another hail event forecasted today with destructive hail possible. Hoping it misses the airport.

https://twitter.com/MikeCollierWX/statu ... 5594674183


It's almost like AA is fishing for a massive insurance payout. But man, major damage to all those planes could also kill their recovery.

If I were their insurer I'd make them move some, at least for a couple months.


They have moved some 777s to BFM.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:30 pm

illinicmi wrote:
jholio wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
Another hail event in TUL requiring inspections of aircraft according to JonNYC


And another hail event forecasted today with destructive hail possible. Hoping it misses the airport.

https://twitter.com/MikeCollierWX/statu ... 5594674183


It's almost like AA is fishing for a massive insurance payout. But man, major damage to all those planes could also kill their recovery.

If I were their insurer I'd make them move some, at least for a couple months.


Seriously. Anywhere but Oklahoma in the spring,despite the potential parking fee and maintenance proximity advantage.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:21 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
illinicmi wrote:
jholio wrote:

And another hail event forecasted today with destructive hail possible. Hoping it misses the airport.

https://twitter.com/MikeCollierWX/statu ... 5594674183


It's almost like AA is fishing for a massive insurance payout. But man, major damage to all those planes could also kill their recovery.

If I were their insurer I'd make them move some, at least for a couple months.


They have moved some 777s to BFM.


Not much of an improvement weather-wise! "Tornado Alley" north/south in the Midwest isn't the only area with violent weather this time of year...as I see it, basically any location east/west between the NM/TX border and the east coast is a potential Disneyland for severe storms with hail and potential to spawn tornado's. Kinda like an inverted T of bad areas. I know there's only so much room at the "usual suspects" desert locales like ROW, MZJ, VCV, MHV, etc., but airlines out to be looking at more alternatives, in partnership with multiple airports, for parking on currently-unneeded/inactive (due to depressed activity) runways/taxiways/ramps at places like PHX (including AZA!...tons of space!), TUS, ABQ, YUM, LAS, RNO, airports in Central Calif., OAK, hell, even the Pac. Northwest and into Idaho & Montana. Seems there's tons of places that could be used where there's virtually no danger of such violent weather.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:39 pm

New 788 delivery scheduled for today.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KPAE/KDFW
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:12 pm

miaami wrote:
New 788 delivery scheduled for today.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KPAE/KDFW


Wonder if this one, N871AY, will go into storage after initial delivery prep, as did N870AX. Anybody know their plan?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:29 pm

Some things revealed today:

- E190/763 officially retired
- 757A333 set to be gone by year-end.
- ""We will continue to assess further reductions as we move forward," says American CEO Doug Parker on further fleet decisions."
- "The levers to go down farther," says American CFO Kerr on further fleet reductions. "Possibilities include the A330-200s for fleet simplification, as well as older 737-800s. Maybe A320s."

https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/12 ... 3061893120

Additionally, here's AA's enhanced business class on its new 787-8s:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... ing-787-8/

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