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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:53 pm

they have made so many variations to the fleet plan that we don't even know what will happen..
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:16 pm

"A fond farewell to five fantastic fleets"

American has officially retired the Embraer E190 and Boeing 767 fleets, which were originally scheduled to retire by the end of 2020. The airline has also accelerated the retirement of its Boeing 757s and Airbus A330-300s. Additionally, American is retiring 19 Bombardier CRJ200 aircraft operated by PSA Airlines.


http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:46 pm

and nothing on the 737NG...

acceleterated retirement of 757 and 333 but when..

seems they are thinking better and calm
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:50 pm

danipawa wrote:
and nothing on the 737NG...

acceleterated retirement of 757 and 333 but when..

seems they are thinking better and calm

They are not retiring a full fleet, that’s why and the 76 738s will be going.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:07 pm

danipawa wrote:
and nothing on the 737NG...

acceleterated retirement of 757 and 333 but when..

seems they are thinking better and calm


The 757 and 333 are gone... AA has said they are retired!
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:14 pm

the article said: E190 B767 officially retired, B757 and A333 accelerated but not saying bout its inmediately .

PSA operates 31 CRJ200 right now, 19 going.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:52 pm

So what does that leave American’s mainline fleet as then?

  • A320 family (ceo and neo)
  • 737 family (NG and MAX)
  • A330-200
  • 777 family
  • 787 family

It will be interesting to see if the A330-200s survive or if there is another round of simplification further down the track.

Then what do we have in the regional fleet:

  • ERJ-140/-145 (Envoy, Piedmont)
  • E175 (Envoy, Republic, SkyWest)
  • CRJ-700/-900 (Mesa, PSA, SkyWest)

I wonder if there will be any rationalisation coming of regional operators (sorry first time in this thread so I may well have missed a lot of commentary!)

danipawa wrote:
the article said: E190 B767 officially retired, B757 and A333 accelerated but not saying bout its inmediately .

PSA operates 31 CRJ200 right now, 19 going.

American’s press release paints a different picture: http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx
It sounds like the departure of the 757 and A330-300 is imminent. As for the number of CRJ200s, they say:
19 CRJ200s in the fleet as of Jan. 1, 2020.


Can anyone provide more clarity?

V/F
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:32 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:

danipawa wrote:
the article said: E190 B767 officially retired, B757 and A333 accelerated but not saying bout its inmediately .

PSA operates 31 CRJ200 right now, 19 going.

American’s press release paints a different picture: http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx
It sounds like the departure of the 757 and A330-300 is imminent. As for the number of CRJ200s, they say:
19 CRJ200s in the fleet as of Jan. 1, 2020.


Can anyone provide more clarity?

V/F


From TPG:

Overall, the Fort Worth, Texas-based carrier has retired 80 Airbus, Boeing and Embraer jets from its fleet as the coronavirus pandemic continues to take a harsh toll on air travel. It has bid adieu to not only its 767s and 757s, but also to its Airbus A330-300s and Embraer E190s, American said Thursday. All four types are already parked and will not return to passenger service.


https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... virus/amp/

Presumably all retired and won’t operate any more pax flights for AA.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:21 pm

danipawa wrote:
the article said: E190 B767 officially retired, B757 and A333 accelerated but not saying bout its inmediately .

PSA operates 31 CRJ200 right now, 19 going.

Accelerated means moved forward which they did with the 333s are all in ROS and are retired.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:22 pm

the 757 and 767 are dead! crab rave time! at least this pandemic has given us one good thing
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:40 pm

I think the A320s are next on the chopping block. Given the criticism by the media on local governments opening up their economy you can bet companies aren't going to have anyone traveling soon. 25%-30% unemployment means 90% of leisure travel is toast. AA (or any other airline) is going to need far, far fewer planes.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:40 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
danipawa wrote:
the article said: E190 B767 officially retired, B757 and A333 accelerated but not saying bout its inmediately .

PSA operates 31 CRJ200 right now, 19 going.

Accelerated means moved forward which they did with the 333s are all in ROS and are retired.


Actually, N274AY is still in El Salvador undergoing maintenance. Suspect when that is complete it may go to ELP and then on to ROW.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:46 pm

danipawa wrote:
the article said: E190 B767 officially retired, B757 and A333 accelerated but not saying bout its inmediately .

PSA operates 31 CRJ200 right now, 19 going.


PAA don’t have that many 200s. A good number of them have been retired and sold already. We have 19 left until today.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:47 pm



Caught AA's latest 788 arriving at DFW yesterday. Anyone know what the plan is for this bird? Is she gonna be parked until the madness subsides?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 12:43 am

musman9853 wrote:
the 757 and 767 are dead! crab rave time! at least this pandemic has given us one good thing


The economy cabins sucked but now the alternative is a 737 with a cramped plastic interior. Nothing to celebrate here.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 1:18 am

Thanks to all, so 76 NG are going as well..

there are A320Neo, 737MAX and B789 on the second hand market for the recovery.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 3:10 am

Jo8338 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s


I could see them use a few on MIA - LAX that is the next most premium route in the country and they used it this past Christmas with some success.


At least one MIA-LAX r/t used the 773, so I'd think a 321T would be a logical fit for that route if the demand doesn't warrant a 773 or even a 788/9.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 3:16 am

musman9853 wrote:
the 757 and 767 are dead! crab rave time! at least this pandemic has given us one good thing


Lack of AVOD and other on-board amenities notwithstanding, I'll probably miss the 757s more than the 767s in the AA fleet. I always enjoyed seeing those 757s arriving from the West Coast and ANC into DFW.

The more I think about it, it strikes me three of the fleet-types I've flown on AA over the last year or so - the MD80, 757 and 767 - are no longer part of the AA fleet.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 9:05 am

Miamiairport wrote:
I think the A320s are next on the chopping block. Given the criticism by the media on local governments opening up their economy you can bet companies aren't going to have anyone traveling soon. 25%-30% unemployment means 90% of leisure travel is toast. AA (or any other airline) is going to need far, far fewer planes.


Agree. That is what we have discussed here for a while now. The A320 was to be retired following the merger but got delayed as the market was up.

Sad to say with the aging A320 (some were delivered in 1998!), it makes sense to retire them when needed.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 12:29 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
Jo8338 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Here is a question, what is aa plan for jfk lax and sfo once this is over? A321t seems like too premium of an aircraft in a bad economy. Especially on jfk sfo. 757 and 767 are out of service. Maybe aa should reconfigure those a321s


I could see them use a few on MIA - LAX that is the next most premium route in the country and they used it this past Christmas with some success.


At least one MIA-LAX r/t used the 773, so I'd think a 321T would be a logical fit for that route if the demand doesn't warrant a 773 or even a 788/9.


I believe those are typically more about aircraft utilization because the TPAC routes require two frames. The route does have premium demand but probably not to use the 321T exclusively. If the 332 returns it could backfill routes needing additional premium product.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 1:27 pm

To Summarize: (as someone asked above):
AA Mainline Fleet changes:
All E190s retired
All B757s retired
All B763s retired
All A330-300 retired

Earliest 76* B738 retired over the next year (number may fluctuate based on economic conditions)

Regional Impacts:
All CR2 Retired
XX E140 Retired (does anyone have this number?)

That leaves a mainline fleet of 871 currently (large number of which are parked but expected to return)

According to the Earnings Call yesterday. the following are possibilities for retirement (in some manner) should the recovery be slower than anticipated:
A320
A330-200
Additional Aircraft based on lease expiration dates and other economic factors

Aircraft on Order:
--76 B737 MAX 8 (of which 24 are currently grounded due to FAA order)
--53 A321 NEO
--50 A321 XLR
--20 B788
--25 B789

total outstanding orders: 224

Note: if the original 76 B738 retirements number holds, that would result in a mainline fleet of about 1019 aircraft after deliveries of the A321XLR are completed (2025). With the Oasis modifications to the B738 and A321 fleets resulting in a significant increase in capacity, I am very curious about the next shoe to drop for the fleet. Especially given that the impacts one-three years out are largely unknown. I think the fleet plans for the next 12-36 months will be very much in flux but will definitely be interesting to watch AA (and others) try to hedge their bets a bit about just what steps they will take next and what the fleet will ultimately look like.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 3:37 pm

danipawa wrote:
Thanks to all, so 76 NG are going as well..

there are A320Neo, 737MAX and B789 on the second hand market for the recovery.


The quote from the Earnings call had 42 of the Block 1 (the 76 mentioned here)737s as "identified" as well as some of the A320s as possible next round fleet reductions. These are the older and most differentiated 737s in the fleet. That said, that was yesterday, even today things might be different. Lots of changes still to come. The airline itself still has 76 Max on order waiting delivery and 24 parked before the Covid-19 groundings Boeing has built around 10 or so I believe (that number was speculative in my meeting yesterday, may be incorrect). Plus a large number of A321s and just took 6 or so Frontier A319s on leases so incoming capacity is, I would imagine sufficient. It seems the big goal right now is reducing fleet where simplification and reducing forward costs would be achieved.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 3:44 pm

I would think if load factors remain anemic we are going to see many of these deliveries deferred. As it is now a/c are only doing a couple of segments a day. Seems as though AA will have much smaller fleet needs.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 3:45 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
To Summarize: (as someone asked above):
AA Mainline Fleet changes:
All E190s retired
All B757s retired
All B763s retired
All A330-300 retired

Earliest 76* B738 retired over the next year (number may fluctuate based on economic conditions)

Regional Impacts:
All CR2 Retired
XX E140 Retired (does anyone have this number?)

That leaves a mainline fleet of 871 currently (large number of which are parked but expected to return)

According to the Earnings Call yesterday. the following are possibilities for retirement (in some manner) should the recovery be slower than anticipated:
A320
A330-200
Additional Aircraft based on lease expiration dates and other economic factors

Aircraft on Order:
--76 B737 MAX 8 (of which 24 are currently grounded due to FAA order)
--53 A321 NEO
--50 A321 XLR
--20 B788
--25 B789

total outstanding orders: 224

Note: if the original 76 B738 retirements number holds, that would result in a mainline fleet of about 1019 aircraft after deliveries of the A321XLR are completed (2025). With the Oasis modifications to the B738 and A321 fleets resulting in a significant increase in capacity, I am very curious about the next shoe to drop for the fleet. Especially given that the impacts one-three years out are largely unknown. I think the fleet plans for the next 12-36 months will be very much in flux but will definitely be interesting to watch AA (and others) try to hedge their bets a bit about just what steps they will take next and what the fleet will ultimately look like.


As the later part of these deliveries are made, I think some of the remaining fleet is in replacement mode by that point, which was originally planned. So A320s, the Block 1 737s (the first 76 aircraft), and some of the early 777s being replaced with the orders you listed. The A330-200s are a bit of a tough one to figure out. They are relatively new aircraft, still have long terms payments, and aren't closing in on major maintenance, but they will be the only 15 A330s operating, which makes them a bit less efficient. As you said, fleet in flux for a while, with new numbers being crunched daily.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 3:53 pm

FRNT787 wrote:
As the later part of these deliveries are made, I think some of the remaining fleet is in replacement mode by that point, which was originally planned. So A320s, the Block 1 737s (the first 76 aircraft), and some of the early 777s being replaced with the orders you listed. The A330-200s are a bit of a tough one to figure out. They are relatively new aircraft, still have long terms payments, and aren't closing in on major maintenance, but they will be the only 15 A330s operating, which makes them a bit less efficient. As you said, fleet in flux for a while, with new numbers being crunched daily.


That is true. In any normal circumstances, A332 would be a great seasonal aircraft in AA's fleet: summer for European seasonal route and winter for Latin America route up gauges or Hawaii flying. But this is not the normal times. I would like to think AA should park them for now until the time is right. But retirement would be a step too far as there are still 10 years or so time left for these frames, unless AA can find a great buyer?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 4:53 pm

FRNT787 wrote:
danipawa wrote:
Thanks to all, so 76 NG are going as well..

there are A320Neo, 737MAX and B789 on the second hand market for the recovery.


The quote from the Earnings call had 42 of the Block 1 (the 76 mentioned here)737s as "identified" as well as some of the A320s as possible next round fleet reductions. These are the older and most differentiated 737s in the fleet. That said, that was yesterday, even today things might be different. Lots of changes still to come. The airline itself still has 76 Max on order waiting delivery and 24 parked before the Covid-19 groundings Boeing has built around 10 or so I believe (that number was speculative in my meeting yesterday, may be incorrect). Plus a large number of A321s and just took 6 or so Frontier A319s on leases so incoming capacity is, I would imagine sufficient. It seems the big goal right now is reducing fleet where simplification and reducing forward costs would be achieved.

Those F9 A319s are all in fleet flying already. It was at least eighth
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 5:00 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
FRNT787 wrote:
danipawa wrote:
Thanks to all, so 76 NG are going as well..

there are A320Neo, 737MAX and B789 on the second hand market for the recovery.


The quote from the Earnings call had 42 of the Block 1 (the 76 mentioned here)737s as "identified" as well as some of the A320s as possible next round fleet reductions. These are the older and most differentiated 737s in the fleet. That said, that was yesterday, even today things might be different. Lots of changes still to come. The airline itself still has 76 Max on order waiting delivery and 24 parked before the Covid-19 groundings Boeing has built around 10 or so I believe (that number was speculative in my meeting yesterday, may be incorrect). Plus a large number of A321s and just took 6 or so Frontier A319s on leases so incoming capacity is, I would imagine sufficient. It seems the big goal right now is reducing fleet where simplification and reducing forward costs would be achieved.

Those F9 A319s are all in fleet flying already. It was at least eighth


Thanks for the number correction. Thats what I was meaning that they were already in the fleet, growth had already been occurring just before everything ground to a halt.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 5:16 pm

For fleet simplification would it make sense to retire all of the IAE powered A319s and CFM powered A320s so that the A319s are all CFM, A320s are all IAE, and the only fleet with mixed engines would be the A321 (although most of the CFM A321s are older and could be retired as well)?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 5:23 pm

I doubt those A332s are long for this world. I suspect you'll see them leave the fleet as more 787s are delivered.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 6:26 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Some things revealed today:

- E190/763 officially retired
- 757A333 set to be gone by year-end.
- ""We will continue to assess further reductions as we move forward," says American CEO Doug Parker on further fleet decisions."
- "The levers to go down farther," says American CFO Kerr on further fleet reductions. "Possibilities include the A330-200s for fleet simplification, as well as older 737-800s. Maybe A320s."

https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/12 ... 3061893120

Additionally, here's AA's enhanced business class on its new 787-8s:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... ing-787-8/


Welp there goes my chance flying on their 767s... At least there is Delta, United, and a few other airlines that will definitely fly their 767s in the near future so I still have a chance.

But getting back on track. This is a crap ton of aircraft leaving the fleet,I know it will definitely be a long while before things start to stabilize. To be honest when I first heard about the mass retirements of the different aircraft types I was shocked, but I know now that the market is drastically changing with this ongoing pemdemic, seems like there is no use for them no more.

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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 6:32 pm

Forgive me if I've missed the reply to this question if its already been asked, but if the 757s are to be retired, what will be used to replace them on routes like CMN/KEF/EDI/SNN assuming of course those routes are coming back next year?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 6:39 pm

Vctony wrote:
For fleet simplification would it make sense to retire all of the IAE powered A319s and CFM powered A320s so that the A319s are all CFM, A320s are all IAE, and the only fleet with mixed engines would be the A321 (although most of the CFM A321s are older and could be retired as well)?


Why? Are the IAE 319s substantially different engines from what's found on the IAE 320? The 319 CFMs different from the 320 CFMs?

It's not really simplification unless you get rid of a pilot scheduling group completely, or an engine type completely.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 6:42 pm

Breathe wrote:
Forgive me if I've missed the reply to this question if its already been asked, but if the 757s are to be retired, what will be used to replace them on routes like CMN/KEF/EDI/SNN assuming of course those routes are coming back next year?


It will have to be 321s, MAX8s or 787s, which may make it less likely that some routes will return. That seems to be a chance AA is ready to live with. AA needs big-picture thinking. It can't let fleet needs of a few seasonal routes distract it. (It never bought 777LRs to compete with DL's non-stop JNB-ATL from 2013, did it, for all the talk about JNB-MIA.)
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 6:47 pm

Is it realistic to ask that AA wants fleet simplification they would only have 10 years down the line have B737 Max, A321 Neo and 787?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 6:50 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Is it realistic to ask that AA wants fleet simplification they would only have 10 years down the line have B737 Max, A321 Neo and 787?


Add the 777, A319s and yes.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 6:51 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Is it realistic to ask that AA wants fleet simplification they would only have 10 years down the line have B737 Max, A321 Neo and 787?


Not at all. They have far too many too-new 319/321ceos, and 738s.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 6:57 pm

Vctony wrote:
For fleet simplification would it make sense to retire all of the IAE powered A319s and CFM powered A320s so that the A319s are all CFM, A320s are all IAE, and the only fleet with mixed engines would be the A321 (although most of the CFM A321s are older and could be retired as well)?


Wouldn't make any sense at all. You'd still have both engine types in various versions on the same airframe family.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 7:42 pm

OB1504 wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
the 757 and 767 are dead! crab rave time! at least this pandemic has given us one good thing


The economy cabins sucked but now the alternative is a 737 with a cramped plastic interior. Nothing to celebrate here.

Oasis 737 >>>> old af 757
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 7:48 pm

Breathe wrote:
Forgive me if I've missed the reply to this question if its already been asked, but if the 757s are to be retired, what will be used to replace them on routes like CMN/KEF/EDI/SNN assuming of course those routes are coming back next year?

There is a quote from Raja about going back to the basics and they are working with a clean sheet for S21. I think that could very well look like at least 10-20 scheduled S20 Int'l routes not operating in S21.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat May 02, 2020 12:23 am

JohanTally wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
Jo8338 wrote:

I could see them use a few on MIA - LAX that is the next most premium route in the country and they used it this past Christmas with some success.


At least one MIA-LAX r/t used the 773, so I'd think a 321T would be a logical fit for that route if the demand doesn't warrant a 773 or even a 788/9.


I believe those are typically more about aircraft utilization because the TPAC routes require two frames. The route does have premium demand but probably not to use the 321T exclusively. If the 332 returns it could backfill routes needing additional premium product.


I know that was the case with the 77W last summer, in that it wasn't exclusively used on the route. But what you're suggesting does make sense. Maybe a mix of 321T and/or 77W combined with standard 738/321 would fit for MIA-LAX.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat May 02, 2020 2:33 am

brooklynchris13 wrote:
Regional Impacts:
All CR2 Retired


The only asterisk here is that the SkyWest CR2s are still operating at-risk routes through the end of June (PHX-SGU, DFW-MEI/PIB) but they aren't really AA's to retire anyhow.

Vctony wrote:
For fleet simplification would it make sense to retire all of the IAE powered A319s and CFM powered A320s so that the A319s are all CFM, A320s are all IAE, and the only fleet with mixed engines would be the A321 (although most of the CFM A321s are older and could be retired as well)?


Not only are the engines not significantly different across the different aircraft sizes but part of what helps with the economies of scale for those engines is the fact that they are spread out across multiple types (reduces incremental spare cost on interchangeable parts where you have to keep X number of spares regardless of whether it is a 100 engine fleet or a 250 engine fleet).
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat May 02, 2020 1:33 pm

alasizon wrote:
brooklynchris13 wrote:
Regional Impacts:
All CR2 Retired


The only asterisk here is that the SkyWest CR2s are still operating at-risk routes through the end of June (PHX-SGU, DFW-MEI/PIB) but they aren't really AA's to retire anyhow.

Vctony wrote:
For fleet simplification would it make sense to retire all of the IAE powered A319s and CFM powered A320s so that the A319s are all CFM, A320s are all IAE, and the only fleet with mixed engines would be the A321 (although most of the CFM A321s are older and could be retired as well)?


Not only are the engines not significantly different across the different aircraft sizes but part of what helps with the economies of scale for those engines is the fact that they are spread out across multiple types (reduces incremental spare cost on interchangeable parts where you have to keep X number of spares regardless of whether it is a 100 engine fleet or a 250 engine fleet).


Thanks for that update. It's always a bit tricky with those routes and A/C. I am also still curious to see just how many E140s keep flying after June 1 and the longer term impacts on Eagle flying in general. But, as with all of this, it is truly in a state of flux!
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat May 02, 2020 5:28 pm

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Breathe wrote:
Forgive me if I've missed the reply to this question if its already been asked, but if the 757s are to be retired, what will be used to replace them on routes like CMN/KEF/EDI/SNN assuming of course those routes are coming back next year?

There is a quote from Raja about going back to the basics and they are working with a clean sheet for S21. I think that could very well look like at least 10-20 scheduled S20 Int'l routes not operating in S21.


This statement by Raja can be really scary. A remark like 'clean sheet of route planning' will spark fierce debate on A.net that which AA hub will be gutted! :shock:

But in reality, with A332/B788/B789/B772 and B77W still in fleet, I think the S21 will be mostly inline with S19 with several secondary routes cut. I think only when AA decide to take out A332 and some of the earlier B772 in the coming months then we should be worried.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 3:07 am

Some good news. It looks like the 737 and 321 retrofits will not stop. They've already dedicated money for the work to continue.

With so many planes on the ground I wonder if they could actually accelerate the work?

I can't wait until all the 321 aircraft are done. Those bins AA is installing on the 321 amaze me. No other US airline has such huge bins on a narrowbody. Honestly, I haven't seen those bins anywhere in the world. Did Airbus make them specifically for AA?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 3:36 am

Detroit313 wrote:
Some good news. It looks like the 737 and 321 retrofits will not stop. They've already dedicated money for the work to continue.

With so many planes on the ground I wonder if they could actually accelerate the work?

I can't wait until all the 321 aircraft are done. Those bins AA is installing on the 321 amaze me. No other US airline has such huge bins on a narrowbody. Honestly, I haven't seen those bins anywhere in the world. Did Airbus make them specifically for AA?

B6’s latest 321 NEO delivery, and all their deliveries going forward, will all have the large bins. Doubt they retrofit them anytime soon to the existing fleet, but it would be nice.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 2:33 pm

JoseSalazar wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Some good news. It looks like the 737 and 321 retrofits will not stop. They've already dedicated money for the work to continue.

With so many planes on the ground I wonder if they could actually accelerate the work?

I can't wait until all the 321 aircraft are done. Those bins AA is installing on the 321 amaze me. No other US airline has such huge bins on a narrowbody. Honestly, I haven't seen those bins anywhere in the world. Did Airbus make them specifically for AA?

B6’s latest 321 NEO delivery, and all their deliveries going forward, will all have the large bins. Doubt they retrofit them anytime soon to the existing fleet, but it would be nice.


Oh, OK! Thank you. Airbus did a great job with those.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 3:35 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Some good news. It looks like the 737 and 321 retrofits will not stop. They've already dedicated money for the work to continue.

With so many planes on the ground I wonder if they could actually accelerate the work?

I can't wait until all the 321 aircraft are done. Those bins AA is installing on the 321 amaze me. No other US airline has such huge bins on a narrowbody. Honestly, I haven't seen those bins anywhere in the world. Did Airbus make them specifically for AA?

B6’s latest 321 NEO delivery, and all their deliveries going forward, will all have the large bins. Doubt they retrofit them anytime soon to the existing fleet, but it would be nice.


Oh, OK! Thank you. Airbus did a great job with those.


I've not ever seen these but what amazes me is how A & B both have managed to keep increasing the size of overhead bins over the years within the same size structure (fuselage diameter). Makes me wonder if they've finally reached a hard-limit given how huge you say they are.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 6:03 pm

However, some Boeing 737s may not receive this reconfiguration. American is evaluating retiring some Boeing 737s early– about 42 of these. No decision has been made yet. However, if demand remains low, then expect American to retire those planes.

Most of those planes likely have not been retrofitted yet and, if they do exit the fleet, it will end up saving some cash for the airline. This, however, may also depend on the 737 MAX certification timeline. If the 737 MAX does re-enter service in the summer and Boeing is able to deliver more planes, then American could wave goodbye to those older jets.


https://simpleflying.com/american-continues-retrofits/
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 8:36 pm

It appears that the A330-200s are going as well. Last one heads to the desert tomorrow for storage. No point in keeping 9 aircraft that don't fit with anything else.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 9:02 pm

Sancho99504 wrote:
It appears that the A330-200s are going as well. Last one heads to the desert tomorrow for storage. No point in keeping 9 aircraft that don't fit with anything else.

They have 15 A332 and 9 A333. The A333 are retired

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