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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 11:52 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:
B6’s latest 321 NEO delivery, and all their deliveries going forward, will all have the large bins. Doubt they retrofit them anytime soon to the existing fleet, but it would be nice.


Oh, OK! Thank you. Airbus did a great job with those.


I've not ever seen these but what amazes me is how A & B both have managed to keep increasing the size of overhead bins over the years within the same size structure (fuselage diameter). Makes me wonder if they've finally reached a hard-limit given how huge you say they are.

I've seen some better hinge designs that add weight, but could add another inch or two. That said, the airlines did this to themselves.

I'm most impressed with the Mitsubishi Spacejet. I see no reason this won't make it to the Ejets.

I hope fleet upgrades happen. I suspect no.


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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 4:52 am

JohanTally wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
Jo8338 wrote:

I could see them use a few on MIA - LAX that is the next most premium route in the country and they used it this past Christmas with some success.


At least one MIA-LAX r/t used the 773, so I'd think a 321T would be a logical fit for that route if the demand doesn't warrant a 773 or even a 788/9.


I believe those are typically more about aircraft utilization because the TPAC routes require two frames. The route does have premium demand but probably not to use the 321T exclusively. If the 332 returns it could backfill routes needing additional premium product.


MIA-LAX has enough premium demand that it was the only other route besides JFK-LAX/SFO to offer 3-class service for decades.

When the 77W started on the route, I believed it continued on to SYD. When SYD was downgraded to a 788, the 77W was removed and the route lost its flat beds, but the 772 was brought back after AA started losing premium traffic to JetBlue.

The A321T and 77W are both probably overkill for the route, but they've eliminated the 757 and 767 and need a lie flat premium product to remain competitive.

I wonder if the downturn will be the death knell for first class on the 77W.

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I think the A320s are next on the chopping block. Given the criticism by the media on local governments opening up their economy you can bet companies aren't going to have anyone traveling soon. 25%-30% unemployment means 90% of leisure travel is toast. AA (or any other airline) is going to need far, far fewer planes.


Agree. That is what we have discussed here for a while now. The A320 was to be retired following the merger but got delayed as the market was up.

Sad to say with the aging A320 (some were delivered in 1998!), it makes sense to retire them when needed.


I hope the A320s are kept as long as possible. I flew on a 20-year-old A320 today and the interior was well kept, and I was delighted to find that the original comfortable and well padded US Airways seats with 31-32" seat pitch were still on board. The airplane had been retrofitted with in-seat power and fast satellite Wi-Fi. With 0% chance of getting a trashed (Oasis) aircraft, the A320 is now my favorite domestic fleet type.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 7:55 am

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Sancho99504 wrote:
It appears that the A330-200s are going as well. Last one heads to the desert tomorrow for storage. No point in keeping 9 aircraft that don't fit with anything else.

They have 15 A332 and 9 A333. The A333 are retired



I mixed my numbers up. Still no point in keeping a fleet of 15 around and doesn't change the fact that at the end of Monday, all A330s will be parked in the desert. A333 is official, A332 will become official soon.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 11:13 am

Last non-stored A332 on its way from PHL-ROS this morning.

Flight 9605 6am-829am
 
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Mon May 04, 2020 11:15 am

AA has a 332 scheduled on CLT-FRA this coming October. And Isom has stated no decision on the 332 being retired.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 11:43 am

Sancho99504 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Sancho99504 wrote:
It appears that the A330-200s are going as well. Last one heads to the desert tomorrow for storage. No point in keeping 9 aircraft that don't fit with anything else.

They have 15 A332 and 9 A333. The A333 are retired



I mixed my numbers up. Still no point in keeping a fleet of 15 around and doesn't change the fact that at the end of Monday, all A330s will be parked in the desert. A333 is official, A332 will become official soon.


Obviously demand will ultimately dictate the AA 332s fate but the Trent engine is a much more familiar engine among LAA mechanics vs the 20+ year old Pratt 333s. The reduced capacity of the 332 might be appealing enough to bring it back from ROW but for now hopefully they can avoid severe weather unlike the parked TUL aircraft.
 
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AA Full steam ahead with 737/321 retrofit

Mon May 04, 2020 3:11 pm

Since most of AA's fleet is grounded they are using the opportunity to add seats to all of their 737s and A321s. When complete the 737s will have 16J/156Y and all the 321 will be 20J/194Y, sadly the popular 321T will also get the retrofit.
 
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Re: AA Full steam ahead with 737/321 retrofit

Mon May 04, 2020 3:19 pm

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and all the 321 will be 20J/194Y.


20J and 170Y

AA747123 wrote:
sadly the popular 321T will also get the retrofit.


Where did you hear this?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 3:26 pm

I thought JonNYC mentioned a A321T retrofit a while back, but I thought the seat configs weren't changing though.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 3:48 pm

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I thought JonNYC mentioned a A321T retrofit a while back, but I thought the seat configs weren't changing though.


The A321T is only getting a cabin refurbishment. Basically same exact seats with a few minor updated details. Everything in the cabin will be brand new. The 321T is pretty timeless look wise at the moment so there’s little need to change it up. The refresh serves to give a better appearance since the interior looks a little worn at the moment.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 4:09 pm

Sancho99504 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Sancho99504 wrote:
It appears that the A330-200s are going as well. Last one heads to the desert tomorrow for storage. No point in keeping 9 aircraft that don't fit with anything else.

They have 15 A332 and 9 A333. The A333 are retired



I mixed my numbers up. Still no point in keeping a fleet of 15 around and doesn't change the fact that at the end of Monday, all A330s will be parked in the desert. A333 is official, A332 will become official soon.


No. A333, N274AY is still in El Salvado, undergoing maintenance. When it is moved from there to ROW, all A330s will be parked in the desert.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 4:49 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
Sancho99504 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
They have 15 A332 and 9 A333. The A333 are retired



I mixed my numbers up. Still no point in keeping a fleet of 15 around and doesn't change the fact that at the end of Monday, all A330s will be parked in the desert. A333 is official, A332 will become official soon.


No. A333, N274AY is still in El Salvado, undergoing maintenance. When it is moved from there to ROW, all A330s will be parked in the desert.


N274AY, AA's final A333. is scheduled today to fly on AAL9607 to ELP, and then on to ROW. That will end AA's operation of the A333 sub-fleet.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 10:57 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
Sancho99504 wrote:


I mixed my numbers up. Still no point in keeping a fleet of 15 around and doesn't change the fact that at the end of Monday, all A330s will be parked in the desert. A333 is official, A332 will become official soon.


No. A333, N274AY is still in El Salvado, undergoing maintenance. When it is moved from there to ROW, all A330s will be parked in the desert.


N274AY, AA's final A333. is scheduled today to fly on AAL9607 to ELP, and then on to ROW. That will end AA's operation of the A333 sub-fleet.


A330-300s are retired. The A330-200s are returning once this pandemic is over, as of now. The airline has not announced the retirement of these aircraft yet. They are all "temporary parked" in Roswell now.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 1:06 am

Not too sure if this has been asked before or not. But is there a market for the 757s to be converted to freighter operations? I know that the 767s definitely will be converted since majority of Americans 767s are with airlines like Prime Air. As for the 757s, I know FedEx, DHL, and UPS have quite a few 757s in their fleet they could add on. Is it possible or is there something that might prevent that from happening?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 3:12 am

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Not too sure if this has been asked before or not. But is there a market for the 757s to be converted to freighter operations? I know that the 767s definitely will be converted since majority of Americans 767s are with airlines like Prime Air. As for the 757s, I know FedEx, DHL, and UPS have quite a few 757s in their fleet they could add on. Is it possible or is there something that might prevent that from happening?


There have been several former AA 757 aircraft that have been converted to freighters, including ones being flown by Cargojet, DHL, and SF Airlines among others. Clearly, nobody is sure what the future holds post-pandemic, but considering that some of these airframes are fairly late builds, they still have plenty of life left in them.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 4:01 am

AviatorTravis wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:

No. A333, N274AY is still in El Salvado, undergoing maintenance. When it is moved from there to ROW, all A330s will be parked in the desert.


N274AY, AA's final A333. is scheduled today to fly on AAL9607 to ELP, and then on to ROW. That will end AA's operation of the A333 sub-fleet.


A330-300s are retired. The A330-200s are returning once this pandemic is over, as of now. The airline has not announced the retirement of these aircraft yet. They are all "temporary parked" in Roswell now.

And the 757s were moved up to retire in 2021 and then they abruptly announced they were retired. It's 15 airplanes that will probably have little to no use for the next 3 years or so.
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Wed May 06, 2020 1:41 pm

A332s in long term storage until 2022 at the earliest if they do return... Is PHL going to be seeing 787s and 777s now?
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 1:54 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
A332s in long term storage until 2022 at the earliest if they do return... Is PHL going to be seeing 787s and 777s now?


No offence, but could you provide any press release or even internal memo to show that A332 will be stored until 2022, please?
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 1:55 pm

chonetsao wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
A332s in long term storage until 2022 at the earliest if they do return... Is PHL going to be seeing 787s and 777s now?


No offence, but could you provide any press release or even internal memo to show that A332 will be stored until 2022, please?


JonNYC posted it on Twitter about a half hour ago: https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1258026952394518529
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 1:56 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
A332s in long term storage until 2022 at the earliest if they do return..


We don't know enough yet to infer that reliably.

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Is PHL going to be seeing 787s and 777s now?


IF the 332s get retired, PHL TATL routes will see 777s, 787s, A321XLRs, or route terminations. IMHO, 2021 is going to have a lot of route terminations.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 1:57 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
A332s in long term storage until 2022 at the earliest if they do return..


We don't know enough yet to infer that reliably.

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Is PHL going to be seeing 787s and 777s now?


IF the 332s get retired, PHL TATL routes will see 777s, 787s, A321XLRs, or route terminations. IMHO, 2021 is going to have a lot of route terminations.


The company put out a memo to employees.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 1:58 pm

lowfareair wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
A332s in long term storage until 2022 at the earliest if they do return... Is PHL going to be seeing 787s and 777s now?


No offence, but could you provide any press release or even internal memo to show that A332 will be stored until 2022, please?


JonNYC posted it on Twitter about a half hour ago: https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1258026952394518529


I respect JonNYC for his work and followed for a long time. But, last time which is few days ago he said AA will only fly B788 to Europe, which turned out to be NOT TRUE.

And I did ask for press release or internal memo, not a twitter post. Sorry if you did not understand.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 1:59 pm

chonetsao wrote:
lowfareair wrote:
chonetsao wrote:

No offence, but could you provide any press release or even internal memo to show that A332 will be stored until 2022, please?


JonNYC posted it on Twitter about a half hour ago: https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1258026952394518529


I respect JonNYC for his work and followed for a long time. But, last time which is few days ago he said AA will only fly B788 to Europe, which turned out to be NOT TRUE.

And I did ask for press release or internal memo, not a twitter post. Sorry if you did not understand.


He doesn’t type up the images, those are right from AA.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 1:59 pm

chonetsao wrote:
lowfareair wrote:
chonetsao wrote:

No offence, but could you provide any press release or even internal memo to show that A332 will be stored until 2022, please?


JonNYC posted it on Twitter about a half hour ago: https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1258026952394518529


I respect JonNYC for his work and followed for a long time. But, last time which is few days ago he said AA will only fly B788 to Europe, which turned out to be NOT TRUE.

And I did ask for press release or internal memo, not a twitter post. Sorry if you did not understand.


Do you think he typed up that internal memo screenshot that he posted in that Tweet?
 
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It was an internal e-mail sent out to the employees
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 2:00 pm

I've always wondered why not convert the A332 to high capacity domestic version and just have some pilots from the A321 group also pilot the a330 for domestic use? sort of create a high capacity meet demand for markets that don't have 787/777 pilot base. obviously not right now but is that too costly to achieve?
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 2:06 pm

lowfareair wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
lowfareair wrote:

JonNYC posted it on Twitter about a half hour ago: https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1258026952394518529


I respect JonNYC for his work and followed for a long time. But, last time which is few days ago he said AA will only fly B788 to Europe, which turned out to be NOT TRUE.

And I did ask for press release or internal memo, not a twitter post. Sorry if you did not understand.


Do you think he typed up that internal memo screenshot that he posted in that Tweet?


I did. But there is no heading to show if it was email or just a screen shot of anything. Since the last time when JonNYC posted about the B788 only to Europe, I have been very reluctant to take any unverified source. I will only take it as truth when this news can be verified by official news release or a complete screenshot to show where the origin is. Again, I am not doubting JonNYC's source, I just want to be sure there is somewhat official confirmation rather than he says and she says or I heard it is from the employee email without showing the actual email with headings.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 2:07 pm

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IF the 332s get retired, PHL TATL routes will see 777s, 787s, A321XLRs, or route terminations. IMHO, 2021 is going to have a lot of route terminations.


Agreed (although the screenshot that JonNYC posted infers that it isn't an 'IF'). AA had about 149 widebody aircraft before COVID started, this will go down to a net of 121 at the end of the year with the retirements, storage, and 787-8 deliveries. There are an additional handful of 788s that should come online in early 2021, but I would assume a 15%+ decrease in widebodies by S21.

There may not be a 15% cut in longhaul schedules for S21 though, depending on if AA removes widebodies from domestic service. Previously there were A330s and 767s on routes like PHL-MIA/MCO/SFO/LAX, 777s on MIA-LAX, etc. With the MAX likely back by then and plenty of 321neos arriving at that point, I'd assume a widebody on a sub-6 hour flight to be much rarer than it was, especially in summertime.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 2:14 pm

Last year around this time, there was a rumor that AA (along with UA) would bring back personal IFE to narrow-bodies. Any word on that thus far? Of course, I wouldn't expect anything like that in the near future, given the financial environment at the moment.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 2:34 pm

Will the 773, 788/9, and A321XLR be enough to cover AA’s international ops once the 772s are gone?

I guess it’s still too early to tell what the market will demand in 5+ years.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 2:48 pm

Are the AA A319's and A321's that don't have sharklets going to get it? How about Split Schmatars on the 737-800s? And also does the retrofitted A321's have the XL interior as the A321neos?
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 3:04 pm

it seems very unlikely A330 will come back to join AA. Demand would have to come back internationally in 2 years to something close to 2019 level. Even then, it would assume they don't have enough 787s around. Given that A321XLR is joining AA in 2023, I'd imagine a lot of A330 routes get replaced by that.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 3:10 pm

It turned out that the only-787 to Europe flying was for PHL exclusively, so it was just partial news from JonNYC. The 777s will still be used from DFW, MIA, LAX and JFK to LHR and Europe. The only source that I would believe is AA itself.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 4:29 pm

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I've always wondered why not convert the A332 to high capacity domestic version and just have some pilots from the A321 group also pilot the a330 for domestic use? sort of create a high capacity meet demand for markets that don't have 787/777 pilot base. obviously not right now but is that too costly to achieve?

You can’t be type rated and current on a narrowbody and a wide body nor is what you proposing isnt permissible under ALPA’s CBA.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 4:30 pm

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Will the 773, 788/9, and A321XLR be enough to cover AA’s international ops once the 772s are gone?

I guess it’s still too early to tell what the market will demand in 5+ years.

XLRs aren’t due until 2023 unless they defer them.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 4:35 pm

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It turned out that the only-787 to Europe flying was for PHL exclusively, so it was just partial news from JonNYC. The 777s will still be used from DFW, MIA, LAX and JFK to LHR and Europe. The only source that I would believe is AA itself.

And CLT LHR and MUC are going to be 777s. Been one here in CLT for almost two weeks for ramp, and maintenance training. And gate fitting.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 4:51 pm

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Last year around this time, there was a rumor that AA (along with UA) would bring back personal IFE to narrow-bodies. Any word on that thus far? Of course, I wouldn't expect anything like that in the near future, given the financial environment at the moment.


In the current environment, passengers may be swayed more by personal PPE than personal IFE!
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 6:11 pm

chonetsao wrote:
lowfareair wrote:
chonetsao wrote:

I respect JonNYC for his work and followed for a long time. But, last time which is few days ago he said AA will only fly B788 to Europe, which turned out to be NOT TRUE.

And I did ask for press release or internal memo, not a twitter post. Sorry if you did not understand.


Do you think he typed up that internal memo screenshot that he posted in that Tweet?


I did. But there is no heading to show if it was email or just a screen shot of anything. Since the last time when JonNYC posted about the B788 only to Europe, I have been very reluctant to take any unverified source. I will only take it as truth when this news can be verified by official news release or a complete screenshot to show where the origin is. Again, I am not doubting JonNYC's source, I just want to be sure there is somewhat official confirmation rather than he says and she says or I heard it is from the employee email without showing the actual email with headings.


Things are changing every day. It’s likely that the memo was accurate at the time JonNYC posted it.

Just like how the 757 was coming back until it wasn’t.

RMTAviation wrote:
Are the AA A319's and A321's that don't have sharklets going to get it? How about Split Schmatars on the 737-800s? And also does the retrofitted A321's have the XL interior as the A321neos?


From previous threads, A32x line numbers below 1200 or so can’t be retrofitted with sharklets and line numbers up to about 4500 require extensive modifications. A lot of the LUS A319s and A320s are older aircraft.

Given that fuel prices have cratered and AA is burning through millions each day, I doubt that they would install sharklets or split scimitars right now.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 6:27 pm

AA is burning through 70 million a day so I doubt they will be investing in IFE or updated winglets. The only reason the Oasis program is continuing is because money was already allocated as well as much of the upfront costs of the program have already been spent. It also sounds like the 737NG retirements will be accelerated and the smaller A320 fleet might be on the chopping block although they are flying them quite frequently now in lieu of decreased demand for the A321.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 7:34 pm

So basically about a 33% cut in WB aircraft so far. Most analysts I've read on the financial side have threw around the numbers in the 30% to 50% cut over a couple year period. If we see something similar in the narrow body fleet that will be a total of around 260-270 aircraft total. So far 34- 757, 20 -190, probably 76 -738 which is 130 aircraft. Possibly next with the the 320 fleet and the oldest 321 and 319's.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 8:38 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
It turned out that the only-787 to Europe flying was for PHL exclusively, so it was just partial news from JonNYC. The 777s will still be used from DFW, MIA, LAX and JFK to LHR and Europe. The only source that I would believe is AA itself.

And CLT LHR and MUC are going to be 777s. Been one here in CLT for almost two weeks for ramp, and maintenance training. And gate fitting.


Gonna be a little hard to fill up a 777 on that route, given that the A330 loads weren't all that great either.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 9:24 pm

lowfareair wrote:
There may not be a 15% cut in longhaul schedules for S21 though, depending on if AA removes widebodies from domestic service. Previously there were A330s and 767s on routes like PHL-MIA/MCO/SFO/LAX, 777s on MIA-LAX, etc. With the MAX likely back by then and plenty of 321neos arriving at that point, I'd assume a widebody on a sub-6 hour flight to be much rarer than it was, especially in summertime.


The thing is, a lot of the domestic widebody flights are for increased utilization and rotation of aircraft between hubs. For example, the domestic widebody flights from MIA are usually utilizing aircraft that would be sitting on the ground all day between early morning arrivals from South America and evening departures back south. Early afternoon arrivals from Europe to ORD or PHL have time to fly a domestic sector to MIA or DFW before flying an evening flight back to Europe or to South America.

Could AA probably squeeze a small amount of additional international flying capacity out of the widebody fleet by cutting domestic widebody flights? Yes. Would it make a significant difference? Unlikely.
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Boof02671
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 9:52 pm

acavpics wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
It turned out that the only-787 to Europe flying was for PHL exclusively, so it was just partial news from JonNYC. The 777s will still be used from DFW, MIA, LAX and JFK to LHR and Europe. The only source that I would believe is AA itself.

And CLT LHR and MUC are going to be 777s. Been one here in CLT for almost two weeks for ramp, and maintenance training. And gate fitting.


Gonna be a little hard to fill up a 777 on that route, given that the A330 loads weren't all that great either.

LHR was profitable they wouldn’t put a 777 on it they’d put a 787.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 9:58 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:


The article mentions that 42 737-800s could also be retired. Are these from the initial batch of 76 737-800s or are these an additional 42 aircraft beyond those?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 10:02 pm

acavpics wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
It turned out that the only-787 to Europe flying was for PHL exclusively, so it was just partial news from JonNYC. The 777s will still be used from DFW, MIA, LAX and JFK to LHR and Europe. The only source that I would believe is AA itself.

And CLT LHR and MUC are going to be 777s. Been one here in CLT for almost two weeks for ramp, and maintenance training. And gate fitting.


Gonna be a little hard to fill up a 777 on that route, given that the A330 loads weren't all that great either.


The AA 772 has 20 less seats than the 333 which is what has been used on the LHR route however I do agree about it being overkill for MUC but it might work if LH doesn't resume their route this year.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 10:12 pm

Any breakdown of how many A319/A320/A321 are IAE vs. CFM powered?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 10:55 pm

OB1504 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:


The article mentions that 42 737-800s could also be retired. Are these from the initial batch of 76 737-800s or are these an additional 42 aircraft beyond those?

Yes the 42 are in the 76 initial batch
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 10:55 pm

JohanTally wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
And CLT LHR and MUC are going to be 777s. Been one here in CLT for almost two weeks for ramp, and maintenance training. And gate fitting.


Gonna be a little hard to fill up a 777 on that route, given that the A330 loads weren't all that great either.


The AA 772 has 20 less seats than the 333 which is what has been used on the LHR route however I do agree about it being overkill for MUC but it might work if LH doesn't resume their route this year.

The CLT-MUC flights on AA had good load factors
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 11:31 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
Any breakdown of how many A319/A320/A321 are IAE vs. CFM powered?

Source: https://sites.google.com/site/newamericanfleet/american-mainline
A319: 39 IAE, 93 CFM
A320: 26 IAE, 22 CFM
A321: 176 IAE, 43 CFM

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