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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 12:01 am

chonetsao wrote:
I respect JonNYC for his work and followed for a long time. But, last time which is few days ago he said AA will only fly B788 to Europe, which turned out to be NOT TRUE.


Circumstances change from day-to-day. That report, though, certainly seems a reasonable plan.

And I did ask for press release or internal memo, not a twitter post. Sorry if you did not understand.


The aforementioned Twitter post includes the portion from the internal memo relating to the A332.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 12:11 am

lowfareair wrote:
There are an additional handful of 788s that should come online in early 2021, but I would assume a 15%+ decrease in widebodies by S21.

There may not be a 15% cut in longhaul schedules for S21 though, depending on if AA removes widebodies from domestic service. Previously there were A330s and 767s on routes like PHL-MIA/MCO/SFO/LAX, 777s on MIA-LAX, etc. With the MAX likely back by then and plenty of 321neos arriving at that point, I'd assume a widebody on a sub-6 hour flight to be much rarer than it was, especially in summertime.


I'd suspect that the only AA widebody domestic flights will be hub-to-hub repositioning for (remaining) international services. I wouldn't count on seeing PHL-SFO on a 787, but a 787 working LAX-PHL might be a likely occurrence.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 12:17 am

Austin787 wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
Any breakdown of how many A319/A320/A321 are IAE vs. CFM powered?

Source: https://sites.google.com/site/newamericanfleet/american-mainline
A319: 39 IAE, 93 CFM
A320: 26 IAE, 22 CFM
A321: 176 IAE, 43 CFM



perfect, thanks!
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 1:45 am

Boof02671 wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
It turned out that the only-787 to Europe flying was for PHL exclusively, so it was just partial news from JonNYC. The 777s will still be used from DFW, MIA, LAX and JFK to LHR and Europe. The only source that I would believe is AA itself.

And CLT LHR and MUC are going to be 777s. Been one here in CLT for almost two weeks for ramp, and maintenance training. And gate fitting.


As we all know, CLT and PHL are the only places where they have the A332/333 aircraft. Goes back to the old USAirways days. Per an AA pilot buddy of mine, both hubs were going to Boeing aircraft, PHL first and CLT would be last due to their 300 maintenance facility. From what he understood, PHL was going to be just 787's while CLT would get 777s from other hubs who are having their 777s replaced with newer 777s and 787s. His understanding was any CLT 321XLR flights would be to the Caribbean and west coast. Then again, this was the supposed plan. Who knows now.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 6:33 am

Tevisv wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
It turned out that the only-787 to Europe flying was for PHL exclusively, so it was just partial news from JonNYC. The 777s will still be used from DFW, MIA, LAX and JFK to LHR and Europe. The only source that I would believe is AA itself.

And CLT LHR and MUC are going to be 777s. Been one here in CLT for almost two weeks for ramp, and maintenance training. And gate fitting.


As we all know, CLT and PHL are the only places where they have the A332/333 aircraft. Goes back to the old USAirways days. Per an AA pilot buddy of mine, both hubs were going to Boeing aircraft, PHL first and CLT would be last due to their 300 maintenance facility. From what he understood, PHL was going to be just 787's while CLT would get 777s from other hubs who are having their 777s replaced with newer 777s and 787s. His understanding was any CLT 321XLR flights would be to the Caribbean and west coast. Then again, this was the supposed plan. Who knows now.

First of all the main maintenance base for the 330 was PHL. The heavy mtc on them were outsourced. CLT doesn’t have a A330 mtc facility it has a line hangar and a heavy hangar
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 10:58 am

acavpics wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
It turned out that the only-787 to Europe flying was for PHL exclusively, so it was just partial news from JonNYC. The 777s will still be used from DFW, MIA, LAX and JFK to LHR and Europe. The only source that I would believe is AA itself.

And CLT LHR and MUC are going to be 777s. Been one here in CLT for almost two weeks for ramp, and maintenance training. And gate fitting.


Gonna be a little hard to fill up a 777 on that route, given that the A330 loads weren't all that great either.


That's because you don't have to fill a plane to make a profit...
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 12:39 pm

digitalcloud wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
And CLT LHR and MUC are going to be 777s. Been one here in CLT for almost two weeks for ramp, and maintenance training. And gate fitting.


Gonna be a little hard to fill up a 777 on that route, given that the A330 loads weren't all that great either.


That's because you don't have to fill a plane to make a profit...


Well it’s certainly not easy to make money when your not filling it!
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 12:41 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
digitalcloud wrote:
acavpics wrote:

Gonna be a little hard to fill up a 777 on that route, given that the A330 loads weren't all that great either.


That's because you don't have to fill a plane to make a profit...


Well it’s certainly not easy to make money when your not filling it!
It is when you have corporate contracts that are virtually funding the route. Also, load factors don't represent belly cargo.

Sadly A.net has a bit of an unhealthy obsession with load factors and drawing conclusions from them.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 2:09 pm

FSDan wrote:
lowfareair wrote:
There may not be a 15% cut in longhaul schedules for S21 though, depending on if AA removes widebodies from domestic service. Previously there were A330s and 767s on routes like PHL-MIA/MCO/SFO/LAX, 777s on MIA-LAX, etc. With the MAX likely back by then and plenty of 321neos arriving at that point, I'd assume a widebody on a sub-6 hour flight to be much rarer than it was, especially in summertime.


The thing is, a lot of the domestic widebody flights are for increased utilization and rotation of aircraft between hubs. For example, the domestic widebody flights from MIA are usually utilizing aircraft that would be sitting on the ground all day between early morning arrivals from South America and evening departures back south. Early afternoon arrivals from Europe to ORD or PHL have time to fly a domestic sector to MIA or DFW before flying an evening flight back to Europe or to South America.

Could AA probably squeeze a small amount of additional international flying capacity out of the widebody fleet by cutting domestic widebody flights? Yes. Would it make a significant difference? Unlikely.


Many are, but definitely not all. PHL-LAX/SFO were timed to connect for int'l flights and were generally an A332 each in the summer.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 2:12 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
A332s in long term storage until 2022 at the earliest if they do return..


We don't know enough yet to infer that reliably.

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Is PHL going to be seeing 787s and 777s now?


IF the 332s get retired, PHL TATL routes will see 777s, 787s, A321XLRs, or route terminations. IMHO, 2021 is going to have a lot of route terminations.

Yea, of course PHL will see 787/777s as they'll be the only international aircraft. But it is going to take several years to get to anything that resembles S19 or S18. I hope I'm wrong (in that there is a vaccine, etc.) but I'm also realistic. I'll throw out PHL-DBV, TXL, BUD, EDI, PRG, KEF, AMS, CLT-BCN, CLT-FCO, ORD-ATH, ORD-KRK, ORD-PRG, ORD-BUD, ORD-VCE, 2nd daily DFW-FCO, DFW-MUC
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 2:50 pm

usairways85 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
A332s in long term storage until 2022 at the earliest if they do return..


We don't know enough yet to infer that reliably.

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Is PHL going to be seeing 787s and 777s now?


IF the 332s get retired, PHL TATL routes will see 777s, 787s, A321XLRs, or route terminations. IMHO, 2021 is going to have a lot of route terminations.

Yea, of course PHL will see 787/777s as they'll be the only international aircraft. But it is going to take several years to get to anything that resembles S19 or S18. I hope I'm wrong (in that there is a vaccine, etc.) but I'm also realistic. I'll throw out PHL-DBV, TXL, BUD, EDI, PRG, KEF, AMS, CLT-BCN, CLT-FCO, ORD-ATH, ORD-KRK, ORD-PRG, ORD-BUD, ORD-VCE, 2nd daily DFW-FCO, DFW-MUC


I wouldn’t be so quick to cut out PHL - AMS, EDI, PRG
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 2:55 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
I wouldn’t be so quick to cut out PHL - AMS, EDI, PRG


I would. EDI and PRG are mostly leisure markets from PHL. EDI has been operating on the 757, its unlikely that it could support a 787.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 2:55 pm

usairways85 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
A332s in long term storage until 2022 at the earliest if they do return..


We don't know enough yet to infer that reliably.

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Is PHL going to be seeing 787s and 777s now?


IF the 332s get retired, PHL TATL routes will see 777s, 787s, A321XLRs, or route terminations. IMHO, 2021 is going to have a lot of route terminations.

Yea, of course PHL will see 787/777s as they'll be the only international aircraft. But it is going to take several years to get to anything that resembles S19 or S18. I hope I'm wrong (in that there is a vaccine, etc.) but I'm also realistic. I'll throw out PHL-DBV, TXL, BUD, EDI, PRG, KEF, AMS, CLT-BCN, CLT-FCO, ORD-ATH, ORD-KRK, ORD-PRG, ORD-BUD, ORD-VCE, 2nd daily DFW-FCO, DFW-MUC


Of the ones you've listed, ORD-ATH is still planned to resume this summer, so AA sees some potential with this route.

The ex-757 routes such as PHL-KEF/EDI/SNN will need some sort of a replacement, such as a modified A321neo as said before. The 788 seems too large unless they reduce frequencies.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 3:46 pm

Athens was the only market in continental Europe AA was willing to start from Chicago in June. The other two were London and Dublin which are not in continental Europe.

That shows you what a big fan of Athens AA is. ORD - ATH is not going anywhere. And PHL - ATH has been around for a long time and always made money so I don't think it is going anywhere either. If anything, PHL - ATH on a 787 instead of a 330 will have even more potential for success.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 5:59 pm

Exactly five years ago American Airlines had its inaugural 787 flight.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 6:49 pm

I saw a 788 sitting at a gate yesterday at MIA. I didn't think MIA had this a/c yet.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 6:53 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
I saw a 788 sitting at a gate yesterday at MIA. I didn't think MIA had this a/c yet.


FA and Maintenance familiarization I believe.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 6:54 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Exactly five years ago American Airlines had its inaugural 787 flight.


And now they have 44, with more on the way.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 7:24 pm

Sorry, I forgot about ORD-ATH restarting. That said it looks like AA tried to resume service to their "core" destinations (destinations that existed several years ago ~2016). PHL is off the table due to not being on the approved airport list so ORD is the airport that restarts the service. Just in the way that DFW-AMS will start over PHL, CLT-MUC will start over DFW, DFW-FRA over CLT-FRA

I was trying to call out the newer seasonal tourist type destinations and the number of additional routes to existing AA destinations that have been added over the last 3-5 years...such as ORD-ATH, PRG, VCE on top of PHL, DFW-AMS on top of PHL, DFW-FCO on top of PHL, JFK, CLT, ORD. DFW/CLT - MUC added in place of the lone PHL-MUC. I do not think AA will need that type of capacity to AMS, FCO, BCN, MUC, ATH.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 7:29 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
Tevisv wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
And CLT LHR and MUC are going to be 777s. Been one here in CLT for almost two weeks for ramp, and maintenance training. And gate fitting.


As we all know, CLT and PHL are the only places where they have the A332/333 aircraft. Goes back to the old USAirways days. Per an AA pilot buddy of mine, both hubs were going to Boeing aircraft, PHL first and CLT would be last due to their 300 maintenance facility. From what he understood, PHL was going to be just 787's while CLT would get 777s from other hubs who are having their 777s replaced with newer 777s and 787s. His understanding was any CLT 321XLR flights would be to the Caribbean and west coast. Then again, this was the supposed plan. Who knows now.

First of all the main maintenance base for the 330 was PHL. The heavy mtc on them were outsourced. CLT doesn’t have a A330 mtc facility it has a line hangar and a heavy hangar



Forgive me, but I thought they moved the 330 maintenance from PHL to CLT 8-10yrs ago? I knew AA, like the others, send their planes elsewhere for heavy maintenance, so I knew that wasn't done at CLT. Thanks
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 8:29 pm

lowfareair wrote:
FSDan wrote:
lowfareair wrote:
There may not be a 15% cut in longhaul schedules for S21 though, depending on if AA removes widebodies from domestic service. Previously there were A330s and 767s on routes like PHL-MIA/MCO/SFO/LAX, 777s on MIA-LAX, etc. With the MAX likely back by then and plenty of 321neos arriving at that point, I'd assume a widebody on a sub-6 hour flight to be much rarer than it was, especially in summertime.


The thing is, a lot of the domestic widebody flights are for increased utilization and rotation of aircraft between hubs. For example, the domestic widebody flights from MIA are usually utilizing aircraft that would be sitting on the ground all day between early morning arrivals from South America and evening departures back south. Early afternoon arrivals from Europe to ORD or PHL have time to fly a domestic sector to MIA or DFW before flying an evening flight back to Europe or to South America.

Could AA probably squeeze a small amount of additional international flying capacity out of the widebody fleet by cutting domestic widebody flights? Yes. Would it make a significant difference? Unlikely.


Many are, but definitely not all. PHL-LAX/SFO were timed to connect for int'l flights and were generally an A332 each in the summer.


True, although this summer the 332 was already going to be gone from PHL-SFO, and PHL-LAX went to a 788 that would have rotated with LAX-PEK.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 8:35 pm

Tevisv wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Tevisv wrote:

As we all know, CLT and PHL are the only places where they have the A332/333 aircraft. Goes back to the old USAirways days. Per an AA pilot buddy of mine, both hubs were going to Boeing aircraft, PHL first and CLT would be last due to their 300 maintenance facility. From what he understood, PHL was going to be just 787's while CLT would get 777s from other hubs who are having their 777s replaced with newer 777s and 787s. His understanding was any CLT 321XLR flights would be to the Caribbean and west coast. Then again, this was the supposed plan. Who knows now.

First of all the main maintenance base for the 330 was PHL. The heavy mtc on them were outsourced. CLT doesn’t have a A330 mtc facility it has a line hangar and a heavy hangar



Forgive me, but I thought they moved the 330 maintenance from PHL to CLT 8-10yrs ago? I knew AA, like the others, send their planes elsewhere for heavy maintenance, so I knew that wasn't done at CLT. Thanks

Before the second bankruptcy and they couldn’t outsource PHL did the phase nightly checks and was the primary line maintenance station for the A330 and CLT did the heavy maintenance. After the second bankruptcy they were outsourcing it ST MAE at BFM in Mobile and Aeroman for heavy maintenance. CLT will get an HMV on occasion for the 330.

And AA does more in-house maintenance than any other airline. CLT, PIT and TUL all do overhaul
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 8:40 pm

usairways85 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
A332s in long term storage until 2022 at the earliest if they do return..


We don't know enough yet to infer that reliably.

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Is PHL going to be seeing 787s and 777s now?


IF the 332s get retired, PHL TATL routes will see 777s, 787s, A321XLRs, or route terminations. IMHO, 2021 is going to have a lot of route terminations.

Yea, of course PHL will see 787/777s as they'll be the only international aircraft. But it is going to take several years to get to anything that resembles S19 or S18. I hope I'm wrong (in that there is a vaccine, etc.) but I'm also realistic. I'll throw out PHL-DBV, TXL, BUD, EDI, PRG, KEF, AMS, CLT-BCN, CLT-FCO, ORD-ATH, ORD-KRK, ORD-PRG, ORD-BUD, ORD-VCE, 2nd daily DFW-FCO, DFW-MUC


That's being very generous on the CLT part imo. I only see CLT-LHR(2x) FRA, MUC, and maybe MAD back for S21. I would venture to say all of those flights will operate on 772s to keep things consistent. I hope thats not the case but it's the reality we are dealing with.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 1:49 pm

CLT704 wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

We don't know enough yet to infer that reliably.



IF the 332s get retired, PHL TATL routes will see 777s, 787s, A321XLRs, or route terminations. IMHO, 2021 is going to have a lot of route terminations.

Yea, of course PHL will see 787/777s as they'll be the only international aircraft. But it is going to take several years to get to anything that resembles S19 or S18. I hope I'm wrong (in that there is a vaccine, etc.) but I'm also realistic. I'll throw out PHL-DBV, TXL, BUD, EDI, PRG, KEF, AMS, CLT-BCN, CLT-FCO, ORD-ATH, ORD-KRK, ORD-PRG, ORD-BUD, ORD-VCE, 2nd daily DFW-FCO, DFW-MUC


That's being very generous on the CLT part imo. I only see CLT-LHR(2x) FRA, MUC, and maybe MAD back for S21. I would venture to say all of those flights will operate on 772s to keep things consistent. I hope thats not the case but it's the reality we are dealing with.



Don't rule out the CLT-CDG flight as it had a great pax load. Although the CLT-FCO load was also good, I see them dropping back to either seasonal or punting it to PHL for now.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 2:33 pm

CLT704 wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

We don't know enough yet to infer that reliably.



IF the 332s get retired, PHL TATL routes will see 777s, 787s, A321XLRs, or route terminations. IMHO, 2021 is going to have a lot of route terminations.

Yea, of course PHL will see 787/777s as they'll be the only international aircraft. But it is going to take several years to get to anything that resembles S19 or S18. I hope I'm wrong (in that there is a vaccine, etc.) but I'm also realistic. I'll throw out PHL-DBV, TXL, BUD, EDI, PRG, KEF, AMS, CLT-BCN, CLT-FCO, ORD-ATH, ORD-KRK, ORD-PRG, ORD-BUD, ORD-VCE, 2nd daily DFW-FCO, DFW-MUC


That's being very generous on the CLT part imo. I only see CLT-LHR(2x) FRA, MUC, and maybe MAD back for S21. I would venture to say all of those flights will operate on 772s to keep things consistent. I hope thats not the case but it's the reality we are dealing with.

The other ones are interesting. I think DUB is dependent on EI finally joining the JV. With the German business ties I think FRA and/or MUC stay. MAD is not nearly the OW hub as LHR is so I can see that being on the fence.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 2:59 pm

Tevisv wrote:
CLT704 wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
Yea, of course PHL will see 787/777s as they'll be the only international aircraft. But it is going to take several years to get to anything that resembles S19 or S18. I hope I'm wrong (in that there is a vaccine, etc.) but I'm also realistic. I'll throw out PHL-DBV, TXL, BUD, EDI, PRG, KEF, AMS, CLT-BCN, CLT-FCO, ORD-ATH, ORD-KRK, ORD-PRG, ORD-BUD, ORD-VCE, 2nd daily DFW-FCO, DFW-MUC


That's being very generous on the CLT part imo. I only see CLT-LHR(2x) FRA, MUC, and maybe MAD back for S21. I would venture to say all of those flights will operate on 772s to keep things consistent. I hope thats not the case but it's the reality we are dealing with.



Don't rule out the CLT-CDG flight as it had a great pax load. Although the CLT-FCO load was also good, I see them dropping back to either seasonal or punting it to PHL for now.


Loads are not an indicator of how successful a route is, it’s the revenue. CDG-CLT will not be operating in 2020. CDG will only see service to DFW and JFK for the summer season. PHL and MIA return in October.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 2:25 pm

NYCAAer wrote:
Loads are not an indicator of how successful a route is, it’s the revenue. CDG-CLT will not be operating in 2020. CDG will only see service to DFW and JFK for the summer season. PHL and MIA return in October.


Exactly, regarding loads. I just saw within the past couple of days, maybe in this very thread but possibly a different one, where somebody posted a comment that there's "an unhealthy obsession on a.net about load factors". Load factor is somewhat meaningless. You could have a 100% LF but if the fares are "junk" (or a combo of super-low fares + free award seats) and the yield is therefore "dog crap" as once beautifully described by the immortal Gordon Bethune, then you're going to be making a loss. If an airline doesn't practice good yield management, they're toast. And as travel begins to recover, that's what I'm sure we're going to see..."fare dumping" with trash yields...airlines are going to have to offer dirt-cheap fares to lure travelers back, and until some equilibrium returns between supply & demand so that "realistic" fares can be published again , airlines will continue running at a loss no matter how high they might get their load factors.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 5:26 am

The 757 looks to have been completely pulled out of the schedule.

American's Philadelphia to Edinburgh route will be upgauged to the 787-8 next Spring, replacing the 757-200.

https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1259351103369601024

Miami to Brasilia is also switching to the A321(ceo) replacing the 757-200.

DFW-STT is on the A319 instead of 757.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 8:33 am

Looks like the newest 788 N871AY may make its first revenue trip tonight on AA796 DFW-LAX per Flightradar24.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n871ay

This would be the first flight of the newest batch of 787's with the revised J that has the privacy dividers. I believe these newest Dreamliners also have high speed ViaSat Wifi. The other brand new 787 N870AX is still in storage at TUL.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 10:02 pm

Ishrion wrote:
The 757 looks to have been completely pulled out of the schedule.

American's Philadelphia to Edinburgh route will be upgauged to the 787-8 next Spring, replacing the 757-200.

https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1259351103369601024

Miami to Brasilia is also switching to the A321(ceo) replacing the 757-200.

DFW-STT is on the A319 instead of 757.


Dear God, MIA-BSB is going to take massive payload hits. Is it even worth flying with an A321ceo?

Hopefully they're actually planning to cycle an A321neo in on a LAX-MIA or PHX-MIA routing to get the flight done.
 
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Sun May 10, 2020 10:38 pm

OB1504 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
The 757 looks to have been completely pulled out of the schedule.

American's Philadelphia to Edinburgh route will be upgauged to the 787-8 next Spring, replacing the 757-200.

https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1259351103369601024

Miami to Brasilia is also switching to the A321(ceo) replacing the 757-200.

DFW-STT is on the A319 instead of 757.


Dear God, MIA-BSB is going to take massive payload hits. Is it even worth flying with an A321ceo?

Hopefully they're actually planning to cycle an A321neo in on a LAX-MIA or PHX-MIA routing to get the flight done.


No doubt! MIA-BSB is over 500 miles further than even DFW-ANC.
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Mon May 11, 2020 7:58 pm

FSDan wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
The 757 looks to have been completely pulled out of the schedule.

American's Philadelphia to Edinburgh route will be upgauged to the 787-8 next Spring, replacing the 757-200.

https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1259351103369601024

Miami to Brasilia is also switching to the A321(ceo) replacing the 757-200.

DFW-STT is on the A319 instead of 757.


Dear God, MIA-BSB is going to take massive payload hits. Is it even worth flying with an A321ceo?

Hopefully they're actually planning to cycle an A321neo in on a LAX-MIA or PHX-MIA routing to get the flight done.


No doubt! MIA-BSB is over 500 miles further than even DFW-ANC.
I
I don't this will actaully served on a 321ceo. Looking on Google Flights, they are coded with lie-blat Flagship Business. I'd imagine we see consolidation to 4/5 weekly and a 787 come the fall.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 10:16 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
OB1504 wrote:

Dear God, MIA-BSB is going to take massive payload hits. Is it even worth flying with an A321ceo?

Hopefully they're actually planning to cycle an A321neo in on a LAX-MIA or PHX-MIA routing to get the flight done.


No doubt! MIA-BSB is over 500 miles further than even DFW-ANC.
I
I don't this will actaully served on a 321ceo. Looking on Google Flights, they are coded with lie-blat Flagship Business. I'd imagine we see consolidation to 4/5 weekly and a 787 come the fall.


That would likely make more sense, however, aa.com is displaying the 181-seat LAA A321.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 3:32 am

Ishrion wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
FSDan wrote:

No doubt! MIA-BSB is over 500 miles further than even DFW-ANC.
I
I don't this will actaully served on a 321ceo. Looking on Google Flights, they are coded with lie-blat Flagship Business. I'd imagine we see consolidation to 4/5 weekly and a 787 come the fall.


That would likely make more sense, however, aa.com is displaying the 181-seat LAA A321.


Does AA have any A321s with lie flats other than the A321T? It’s possible that AA.com and Google Flights are just misreading the fare code based on the previous equipment and/or the code hasn’t been updated to reflect the new equipment type.

(of course, if the 737 MAX is somehow flying again by then, that would take care of the problem and AA apparently didn’t think MIA-BSB merited a real J product anymore)
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 3:36 am

OB1504 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:
I
I don't this will actaully served on a 321ceo. Looking on Google Flights, they are coded with lie-blat Flagship Business. I'd imagine we see consolidation to 4/5 weekly and a 787 come the fall.


That would likely make more sense, however, aa.com is displaying the 181-seat LAA A321.


Does AA have any A321s with lie flats other than the A321T? It’s possible that AA.com and Google Flights are just misreading the fare code based on the previous equipment and/or the code hasn’t been updated to reflect the new equipment type.

(of course, if the 737 MAX is somehow flying again by then, that would take care of the problem and AA apparently didn’t think MIA-BSB merited a real J product anymore)


Nope, besides the A321T they have the LAA A321 with 181 seats, LUS A321 with 187, and Oasis A321 with 190, all of which have recliners.
 
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Tue May 12, 2020 1:58 pm

Lots of planes in the GDS are just place holders, don’t read too much into it.
 
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Tue May 12, 2020 2:06 pm

So what does the future of TATL ops look like for AA from PHL?
 
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Tue May 12, 2020 2:27 pm

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So what does the future of TATL ops look like for AA from PHL?


You can't answer that without asking what does the pandemic look like in the future?
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Tue May 12, 2020 3:42 pm

STT757 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
So what does the future of TATL ops look like for AA from PHL?


You can't answer that without asking what does the pandemic look like in the future?


Truly. Crystal balls are only useful for about 2 weeks out at this point, max. 1 month (iffy), IMHO.
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Tue May 12, 2020 5:34 pm

cathay747 wrote:
STT757 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
So what does the future of TATL ops look like for AA from PHL?


You can't answer that without asking what does the pandemic look like in the future?


Truly. Crystal balls are only useful for about 2 weeks out at this point, max. 1 month (iffy), IMHO.

Hell I wouldn't even give it two weeks. Who knows if we'll have to do another lockdown for this potential second wave.
However, I think PHL will serve the same role. The 757 routes will either just have to hold off for a couple years til the neccesary 321LR/XLR comes onto property or drop a couple frequencies to accomodate the 788.
Hopefully AA will just bite the bullet and add 2x JFK-CDG on widebodies now. The whole 757 ordeal was a shame against AF and DL's far superior offerings.
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Tue May 12, 2020 9:11 pm

Sorry to ask a rather off-topic question, however hoping someone here might be able to help;

Does anyone know when PSA Airlines re-configured their CRJ-700s (operated by US Airways in 70Y and then 9F/58Y) to the American Eagle 9F/56Y configuration? Or are these aircraft still in the 9F/58Y? Many thanks!
 
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Tue May 12, 2020 9:29 pm

PSA has the ex-MQ CRJ-700s. Envoy / American Eagle Airlines had some of the first CRJ-700s off the line and also a newer batch. Internally, these were the CR7R for reconfigured and CR7N for new. The "R" birds originally had 70 seats, but the first class cabin was added in July 2010. The old birds were reconfigured with 9/54 because of the lavatory configuration on half of the aisle. The new birds were delivered 9/56 with the redesigned lavatory that partially extended into the cargo bin.

Combined with the legacy US Airways fleet, this made for a hodgepodge of configurations. As far as I can tell, PSA were able to get all of these jets to the 9/56 configuration with various cabin modifications as they came over from Envoy over the past few years.
 
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Tue May 12, 2020 9:34 pm

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Hopefully AA will just bite the bullet and add 2x JFK-CDG on widebodies now. The whole 757 ordeal was a shame against AF and DL's far superior offerings.


It's been a few years at least since AA flew a 757 on JFK-CDG. After they dropped the second daily frequency (the 757 flight) the remaining frequency continued with a 763 for a while, and then last year I believe it moved to the 772 along with the rest of the JFK-Europe routes. AA network planning has claimed that JFK-Europe routes became quite profitable after moving to the 772 with the far superior J product.

However, I'd be surprised if AA restarted a 2nd daily JFK-CDG in the near future.
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Tue May 12, 2020 10:32 pm

bmibaby737 wrote:
Sorry to ask a rather off-topic question, however hoping someone here might be able to help;

Does anyone know when PSA Airlines re-configured their CRJ-700s (operated by US Airways in 70Y and then 9F/58Y) to the American Eagle 9F/56Y configuration? Or are these aircraft still in the 9F/58Y? Many thanks!


Scope clause. 65-seat RJs are considered "small RJs" versus 66-76 are large RJs. AA's pilot contract has limits for large RJs and overall number of RJs (large + small). By reconfiguring them, they make room for more E175s and CR9s. The same was down with SkyWest's AA operated CR7s (6F/64Y originally).
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 13, 2020 5:49 am

alasizon wrote:
bmibaby737 wrote:
Sorry to ask a rather off-topic question, however hoping someone here might be able to help;

Does anyone know when PSA Airlines re-configured their CRJ-700s (operated by US Airways in 70Y and then 9F/58Y) to the American Eagle 9F/56Y configuration? Or are these aircraft still in the 9F/58Y? Many thanks!


Scope clause. 65-seat RJs are considered "small RJs" versus 66-76 are large RJs. AA's pilot contract has limits for large RJs and overall number of RJs (large + small). By reconfiguring them, they make room for more E175s and CR9s. The same was down with SkyWest's AA operated CR7s (6F/64Y originally).


You had to bring up SCOPE didn’t ya’! (;
Numbers do got to balance! Just sayin.’

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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed May 13, 2020 7:24 pm

ahj2000 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
STT757 wrote:

You can't answer that without asking what does the pandemic look like in the future?


Truly. Crystal balls are only useful for about 2 weeks out at this point, max. 1 month (iffy), IMHO.

Hell I wouldn't even give it two weeks. Who knows if we'll have to do another lockdown for this potential second wave.
However, I think PHL will serve the same role. The 757 routes will either just have to hold off for a couple years til the neccesary 321LR/XLR comes onto property or drop a couple frequencies to accomodate the 788.
Hopefully AA will just bite the bullet and add 2x JFK-CDG on widebodies now. The whole 757 ordeal was a shame against AF and DL's far superior offerings.

You do realize the A321XLRs won’t be on the property till 2023 at the earliest?
 
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Wed May 13, 2020 9:40 pm

Envoy returning parked 145's/ 175's to service by June 3rd

https://viewfromthewing.com/american-ai ... by-june-3/
 
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Thu May 14, 2020 12:59 am

mhkansan wrote:
PSA has the ex-MQ CRJ-700s. Envoy / American Eagle Airlines had some of the first CRJ-700s off the line and also a newer batch. Internally, these were the CR7R for reconfigured and CR7N for new. The "R" birds originally had 70 seats, but the first class cabin was added in July 2010. The old birds were reconfigured with 9/54 because of the lavatory configuration on half of the aisle. The new birds were delivered 9/56 with the redesigned lavatory that partially extended into the cargo bin.

Combined with the legacy US Airways fleet, this made for a hodgepodge of configurations. As far as I can tell, PSA were able to get all of these jets to the 9/56 configuration with various cabin modifications as they came over from Envoy over the past few years.


This, the 7xxPS birds are the ones with the have lav in the back with a empty space where two seats used to be to meet the 65 seat requirement. This were the original US Air birds. The rest of them came from Envoy which had the full lav in the back. The new design lav is a mod that’s working its way into the 700 fleet.
 
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Thu May 14, 2020 3:16 am

Delta did this reconfiguration with all of the CR7's throughout the Connection family 3-4 years ago.

bigb wrote:
mhkansan wrote:
PSA has the ex-MQ CRJ-700s. Envoy / American Eagle Airlines had some of the first CRJ-700s off the line and also a newer batch. Internally, these were the CR7R for reconfigured and CR7N for new. The "R" birds originally had 70 seats, but the first class cabin was added in July 2010. The old birds were reconfigured with 9/54 because of the lavatory configuration on half of the aisle. The new birds were delivered 9/56 with the redesigned lavatory that partially extended into the cargo bin.

Combined with the legacy US Airways fleet, this made for a hodgepodge of configurations. As far as I can tell, PSA were able to get all of these jets to the 9/56 configuration with various cabin modifications as they came over from Envoy over the past few years.


This, the 7xxPS birds are the ones with the have lav in the back with a empty space where two seats used to be to meet the 65 seat requirement. This were the original US Air birds. The rest of them came from Envoy which had the full lav in the back. The new design lav is a mod that’s working its way into the 700 fleet.
 
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Thu May 14, 2020 9:27 am

Many thanks to all those that replied to my CRJ question; greatly appreciated gents!

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