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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 12:00 am

A video has surfaced of a foam incident involving a 787 in a hangar.

https://twitter.com/nasty_canasta/statu ... 03617?s=21
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 12:42 pm

alasizon wrote:
bmibaby737 wrote:
Sorry to ask a rather off-topic question, however hoping someone here might be able to help;

Does anyone know when PSA Airlines re-configured their CRJ-700s (operated by US Airways in 70Y and then 9F/58Y) to the American Eagle 9F/56Y configuration? Or are these aircraft still in the 9F/58Y? Many thanks!


Scope clause. 65-seat RJs are considered "small RJs" versus 66-76 are large RJs. AA's pilot contract has limits for large RJs and overall number of RJs (large + small). By reconfiguring them, they make room for more E175s and CR9s. The same was down with SkyWest's AA operated CR7s (6F/64Y originally).


Interesting. Thank you for the knowledge.

Do you guys think now is the best time for AA management to negotiate with the union to increase the number of seats by up the scope clause?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 12:48 pm

chonetsao wrote:
alasizon wrote:
bmibaby737 wrote:
Sorry to ask a rather off-topic question, however hoping someone here might be able to help;

Does anyone know when PSA Airlines re-configured their CRJ-700s (operated by US Airways in 70Y and then 9F/58Y) to the American Eagle 9F/56Y configuration? Or are these aircraft still in the 9F/58Y? Many thanks!


Scope clause. 65-seat RJs are considered "small RJs" versus 66-76 are large RJs. AA's pilot contract has limits for large RJs and overall number of RJs (large + small). By reconfiguring them, they make room for more E175s and CR9s. The same was down with SkyWest's AA operated CR7s (6F/64Y originally).


Interesting. Thank you for the knowledge.

Do you guys think now is the best time for AA management to negotiate with the union to increase the number of seats by up the scope clause?

The company and the pilots are in Section 6 negotiations currently, their contract is amendable, they’ve been talking for over a year.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 1:07 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
alasizon wrote:

Scope clause. 65-seat RJs are considered "small RJs" versus 66-76 are large RJs. AA's pilot contract has limits for large RJs and overall number of RJs (large + small). By reconfiguring them, they make room for more E175s and CR9s. The same was down with SkyWest's AA operated CR7s (6F/64Y originally).


Interesting. Thank you for the knowledge.

Do you guys think now is the best time for AA management to negotiate with the union to increase the number of seats by up the scope clause?

The company and the pilots are in Section 6 negotiations currently, their contract is amendable, they’ve been talking for over a year.


That being said, I don't expect any changes to scope. AA already has the most favorable scope clause out of the US3. It's likely that APA will actually want better scope but I think that the way the clause is written now likely won't change until it absolutely has to.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 1:56 pm

chonetsao wrote:
alasizon wrote:
bmibaby737 wrote:
Sorry to ask a rather off-topic question, however hoping someone here might be able to help;

Does anyone know when PSA Airlines re-configured their CRJ-700s (operated by US Airways in 70Y and then 9F/58Y) to the American Eagle 9F/56Y configuration? Or are these aircraft still in the 9F/58Y? Many thanks!


Scope clause. 65-seat RJs are considered "small RJs" versus 66-76 are large RJs. AA's pilot contract has limits for large RJs and overall number of RJs (large + small). By reconfiguring them, they make room for more E175s and CR9s. The same was down with SkyWest's AA operated CR7s (6F/64Y originally).


Interesting. Thank you for the knowledge.

Do you guys think now is the best time for AA management to negotiate with the union to increase the number of seats by up the scope clause?



HAHAHA. AA, DL, and UA are about to furlough the equivilant of several regionals worth of pilots from mainline. They can take their scope request and shove straight where the sun don’t shine.

Mainline pilots shouldn’t be on the street while other airlines fly their passengers with their paint job.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 8:43 pm

chonetsao wrote:
alasizon wrote:
bmibaby737 wrote:
Sorry to ask a rather off-topic question, however hoping someone here might be able to help;

Does anyone know when PSA Airlines re-configured their CRJ-700s (operated by US Airways in 70Y and then 9F/58Y) to the American Eagle 9F/56Y configuration? Or are these aircraft still in the 9F/58Y? Many thanks!


Scope clause. 65-seat RJs are considered "small RJs" versus 66-76 are large RJs. AA's pilot contract has limits for large RJs and overall number of RJs (large + small). By reconfiguring them, they make room for more E175s and CR9s. The same was down with SkyWest's AA operated CR7s (6F/64Y originally).


Interesting. Thank you for the knowledge.

Do you guys think now is the best time for AA management to negotiate with the union to increase the number of seats by up the scope clause?


A bunch of AA pilots are about to lose their jobs. Why would the union want to make it more likely that some of those jobs never come back?

It’s not like AA can dangle more money or more flying in front of them right now.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 4:29 pm

Why was there a three-year delivery gap for the last two AA 772s (N767AJ and N768AA)? The first 45 were delivered pretty steadily between 1999 and 2003 and the last two came on in 2006. Was it just them exercising an order option?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 4:46 pm

From what it looks like, all long-haul flying out of Charlotte will be on the 777-200ER.
- LHR/MUC are both on the 777-200ER upon resuming in July.
- FRA on the 772 upon resuming on October
- CDG/MAD/FCO on the 772 upon resuming in March 2021.

DUB/BCN haven't been loaded yet, I believe they resume in May/June 2021?

As for PHL, all long-haul flying looks to be on the 788 with the exception of LHR seeing the 772 starting October.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 7:51 pm

Ishrion wrote:
From what it looks like, all long-haul flying out of Charlotte will be on the 777-200ER.
- LHR/MUC are both on the 777-200ER upon resuming in July.
- FRA on the 772 upon resuming on October
- CDG/MAD/FCO on the 772 upon resuming in March 2021.

DUB/BCN haven't been loaded yet, I believe they resume in May/June 2021?

As for PHL, all long-haul flying looks to be on the 788 with the exception of LHR seeing the 772 starting October.

This does make sense. I imagine long-haul flying works so well from CLT (with the sole exception of German business traffic) is that it is cheap, simple connections between secondary cities in the South/East Coast to Europe. Starting to add multiple pilot types for the handful of long-haul long haul routes, especially in a super-low-demand recession just adds to cost and ruins the whole idea of Charlotte: a big, cheap, network hub.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 7:53 pm

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A video has surfaced of a foam incident involving a 787 in a hangar.

https://twitter.com/nasty_canasta/statu ... 03617?s=21


Seems, there have been two B787 in the hangar during the foam incident, not only one (according Twitter source).
https://twitter.com/avsafeco/status/1261751253006237696
That we already can not see the second B787 in the video, does not mean, it is not there. :rotfl:
(the second one can be easily seen in the back) It is crazy to see, how fast the system is filling up the hangar with foam.
Good, as AA will have more than enough time, to repair them.

EDIT: Here is the second video:
https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/status/1261612251171237889
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 3:31 pm

T4thH wrote:
asuflyer wrote:
A video has surfaced of a foam incident involving a 787 in a hangar.

https://twitter.com/nasty_canasta/statu ... 03617?s=21


Seems, there have been two B787 in the hangar during the foam incident, not only one (according Twitter source).
https://twitter.com/avsafeco/status/1261751253006237696
That we already can not see the second B787 in the video, does not mean, it is not there. :rotfl:
(the second one can be easily seen in the back) It is crazy to see, how fast the system is filling up the hangar with foam.
Good, as AA will have more than enough time, to repair them.

EDIT: Here is the second video:
https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/status/1261612251171237889


This is all just SO hilarious! Glad vids of this finally surfaced. :laughing: :rotfl:
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 5:49 pm

cathay747 wrote:
T4thH wrote:
asuflyer wrote:
A video has surfaced of a foam incident involving a 787 in a hangar.

https://twitter.com/nasty_canasta/statu ... 03617?s=21


Seems, there have been two B787 in the hangar during the foam incident, not only one (according Twitter source).
https://twitter.com/avsafeco/status/1261751253006237696
That we already can not see the second B787 in the video, does not mean, it is not there. :rotfl:
(the second one can be easily seen in the back) It is crazy to see, how fast the system is filling up the hangar with foam.
Good, as AA will have more than enough time, to repair them.

EDIT: Here is the second video:
https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/status/1261612251171237889


This is all just SO hilarious! Glad vids of this finally surfaced. :laughing: :rotfl:

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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 6:01 pm

AA will conduct a 6-month widebody fleet review with an eye towards if existing 787 orders can replace the 772 fleet to improve efficiency.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... 03e8e46424
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Thu May 21, 2020 6:21 pm

 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 7:34 pm

LAXintl wrote:
AA will conduct a 6-month widebody fleet review with an eye towards if existing 787 orders can replace the 772 fleet to improve efficiency.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... 03e8e46424

I'm surprised if AA only has the 787 widebody in the future though the 77W is young still.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 7:47 pm

LAXintl wrote:
AA will conduct a 6-month widebody fleet review with an eye towards if existing 787 orders can replace the 772 fleet to improve efficiency.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... 03e8e46424


Forty-six 772s is a lot of capacity to retire, even if most of them are 17-21 years old.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 8:08 pm

Planning and flexibility are great but in this instance team Tempe is out of touch with reality to the point of insanity. AA is leveraged to the hilt, demand is near nil,and has a sub par product. How are they planning paying for more 787 and writing down/paying off the 777? It seems as if they are still working in a pre-covid mindset and barely paying lip service to the (gag) "new normal ".
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 8:12 pm

gen2stew wrote:
Planning and flexibility are great but in this instance team Tempe is out of touch with reality to the point of insanity. AA is leveraged to the hilt, demand is near nil,and has a sub par product. How are they planning paying for more 787 and writing down/paying off the 777?


Just about everyone involved in fleet planning is LAA or post-merger AA, very few LUS people in that group. If you read the article, you'd note that only 3 of the 772s are leased. If you already own the asset, writing it down hits your book but doesn't effect cash flow which is king right now.

Isom isn't saying all the 772s are leaving tomorrow, but they are still on the hook for the 787s so they have to decide whether to use them for replacement of 772s or re-expansion back into markets covered by the 330/763.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 8:19 pm

gen2stew wrote:
Planning and flexibility are great but in this instance team Tempe is out of touch with reality to the point of insanity. AA is leveraged to the hilt, demand is near nil,and has a sub par product. How are they planning paying for more 787 and writing down/paying off the 777? It seems as if they are still working in a pre-covid mindset and barely paying lip service to the (gag) "new normal ".


I would assume Boeing will come up with great offers for AA to take even more debt.

A lot of AA's current debt is a result of the shopping spree with both Airbus and Boeing during last bankruptcy. Since the debt is 'cheap', and AA was a good customer, I have no doubt Boeing will do its best to provide AA with extra credit facilities and flexible terms as long as AA can service the debt.

Since both are in trouble, and Boeing needs AA even more on the B787 order, the last thing Boeing wants is to see AA going through the CH-11 again which may make more troubles for Boeing ahead. So my money is on Boeing to somehow find magic within its financing arms to facilitate AA's debt thirst.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 8:22 pm

LAXintl wrote:
AA will conduct a 6-month widebody fleet review with an eye towards if existing 787 orders can replace the 772 fleet to improve efficiency.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... 03e8e46424


My bet is a premium heavy version of B789 with 38J, or a conversion of certain number of B788/789 to B787-10 for premium heavy LHR market.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 8:50 pm

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ahj2000 wrote:
Hopefully AA will just bite the bullet and add 2x JFK-CDG on widebodies now. The whole 757 ordeal was a shame against AF and DL's far superior offerings.


It's been a few years at least since AA flew a 757 on JFK-CDG. After they dropped the second daily frequency (the 757 flight) the remaining frequency continued with a 763 for a while, and then last year I believe it moved to the 772 along with the rest of the JFK-Europe routes. AA network planning has claimed that JFK-Europe routes became quite profitable after moving to the 772 with the far superior J product.

However, I'd be surprised if AA restarted a 2nd daily JFK-CDG in the near future.


I would love to see the second JFK-CDG restored, but I think it’s just a dream. Especially if it was the evening departure from CDG around 1700-1715, arriving at JFK around 2030. It allowed business people to have a full day of work and then get back to New York without having to spend an extra night in a hotel, and then get a good night’s sleep at home before going to work the next day, much like AA’s and BA’s evening departures from LHR to JFK.

The return flight 121 was moved to an earlier time, leaving at 1300 or so, and not conducive to a business person’s schedule, but the bean counters felt it would be better to make the employees at CDG part time, and they didn’t want an evening shift. The yields went down, and then the flight was scrapped altogether.

Unfortunately, the AF-DL joint business increased its market share in JFK-CDG while AA was messing around with changing the times of the flights and using inferior equipment. The market rebounded drastically for AA with the 772, business travelers flocked to the improved product and cargo was through the roof. But I doubt that the second flight will be back soon.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 9:23 pm

I don't know if the 777 are owned outright or have a lean. I'm listed as the "owner" of my home and say I "own " my home even though I have a mortgage. That's where my question is based.

My reference to team Tempe is that LUS/HP are the ones driving the decisions of those who work beneath them. As I overheard in DFW "either play our way or leave".
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 9:42 pm

With the assumption that demand will be down for some time and that we are headed into a global recession for the next few years, its certainly plausible play to jettison the 772 fleet.

At this weeks transportation conference AA stated they would retrench further internationally and also lean on JV partners more moving forward, so I could very much see an AA without the 772, with the 787 being its widebody backbone.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 9:53 pm

-"Will the planned retrofits move forward?

-Yes. With a number of our aircraft being stored in Tulsa, OK, this gives us an opportunity to continue harmonizing the cabins of our Boeing 737-800 and Airbus A321 aircraft. Standardizing cabin layouts across our narrowbody fleet helps frontline teams better re-accommodate customers during irregular operations and last-minute equipment swaps. A majority of the new seats, larger overhead bins and other parts required to complete the cabin modifications were previously purchased and are in storage pending installation."
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 11:56 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
AA will conduct a 6-month widebody fleet review with an eye towards if existing 787 orders can replace the 772 fleet to improve efficiency.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... 03e8e46424

I'm surprised if AA only has the 787 widebody in the future though the 77W is young still.
Future Fleet could be B738 Max, A321Neo, B787, probably 77W


So you anticipate them retiring the 738, 319, 320, and 321CEO?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 12:32 am

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So you anticipate them retiring the 738, 319, 320, and 321CEO?

No, I'm probably talking like 2030 here. This is long into the future. I would think though planes can at least fly another 10 years.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 1:30 am

Other than the 320s and older 738s the rest of the narrowbody fleet should stick.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 1:45 am

Can anyone provide the tail numbers of those two 787s that got caught in that hangar deluge at DFW the other day?
 
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 1:33 pm

LAXintl wrote:
With the assumption that demand will be down for some time and that we are headed into a global recession for the next few years, its certainly plausible play to jettison the 772 fleet.

At this weeks transportation conference AA stated they would retrench further internationally and also lean on JV partners more moving forward, so I could very much see an AA without the 772, with the 787 being its widebody backbone.


I agree w/you, that really makes good sense; I presume you also mean keeping the 77W's for select markets?
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AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 2:31 pm

The bad news just keeps coming. Looks like AA may follow Deltas lead and retire its 777 fleet.

https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... m=facebook
 
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Re: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 2:35 pm

Not for a while. They’d have to bring the 332s back and it only 772s not 773 or 777W. Your title is misleading

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... etirement/

“ American Airlines is conducting a six-month review of its future size and scope. One key outcome could be using its 40-plus 787s on order to replace 777-200ERs, limiting future capacity while improving efficiency.”
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Re: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 2:39 pm

Simpleflying is a horrible news source. Nowhere did AA say they were considering retiring their entire 777 fleet - that comes from simpleflying's lack of reading comprehension.
 
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Re: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 2:39 pm

Unlikely. The widebody fleet will be stretched out to the max even with Covid-19 cutbacks, as the 767s and 333s were retired, and then the grounding of the 332s. The 772s are replacing the transatlantic flying done by the 333/332 fleet in CLT, and there just aren’t enough 788/789s to cover everything, unless a lot of Asia flying is dropped. Additionally, LHR is going to be exclusively 772/77W. Maybe if/when the next batch of 789s are delivered, this will be the case, but that was the fleet plan before coronavirus.
 
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Re: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 2:41 pm

Title is extremely misleading.

There are no plans to retire the 77Ws. They are internally discussing the *possibility* of retiring some of their older 77Es and replace them with 787s.
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Re: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 2:47 pm

Similar report via Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... 990e7d6424

Seems like CV19 is being pretty hard on the world's 77E population.
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 2:52 pm

Simple Flying is cancer.

I can imagine as AA shrinks, it makes sense to drop 77E’s for 789’s. 77W’s aren’t going anywhere, and I think A332’s will be gone before we see 77E’s leave.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 2:52 pm

Confusing. But AA will still keep 77W instead. The 772 will likely be retired.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:03 pm

This is untrue. I work at AA. They’re looking at replacing some older 772s with 789s earlier if demand doesn’t pick up to justify the fleet numbers.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:04 pm

The 777-200ER fleet is "flexible capacity". If international demand comes back strong in the next few years, AA likely keeps the 77E and use incoming 787s to expand. If demand remains down, the 77E (at least the oldest planes) will retire as 787s are delivered. I don't see the 777-300ER going anywhere anytime soon.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:07 pm

jodieellis wrote:
Confusing. But AA will still keep 77W instead. The 772 will likely be retired.


The original news source never said B772 fleet will be retired. It simply said AA is conducting a fleet review to discuss possibilities of the INCOMING B788/789 to replace the B772. That means B772 will be with AA for few more years until all B788/789 are delivered. That will take us to 2023 I believe.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:13 pm

If AA does retire the 77E, can they please retire the Concept D frames first!
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:18 pm

chonetsao wrote:
jodieellis wrote:
Confusing. But AA will still keep 77W instead. The 772 will likely be retired.


The original news source never said B772 fleet will be retired. It simply said AA is conducting a fleet review to discuss possibilities of the INCOMING B788/789 to replace the B772. That means B772 will be with AA for few more years until all B788/789 are delivered. That will take us to 2023 I believe.


If I remember correctly, the next batch of 789s are scheduled to be delivered between 2023 and 2025, so lots of time to determine longer term fleet makeup.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:23 pm

The Simple Flying article does not say in the headline or the body that AA is contemplating retiring its entire 777 fleet like the OP suggests. The headline says "American Airlines Could Follow Delta’s Lead With 777 Retirements." It sounds like the report is consistent with other speculation that 787 deliveries may replace (rather than supplement) more 77E capacity than previously planned.
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 3:29 pm

Given where international demand is going to be and the cost of sustaining additional types of engines/aircraft, it would make sense to retire 772. Most of them are old enough to be retired and don't have that much secondary market value right now.

AA is going to be a lot smaller 2 years from now.
 
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Re: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:38 pm

Revelation wrote:
Similar report via Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... 990e7d6424

Seems like CV19 is being pretty hard on the world's 77E population.

It hits the old much worse than the young.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:41 pm

This below, that is what was implied. End of story. AA is Not going to pull a DL 777 retirement.

OMG. Between the clickbait travel blogggers and posters in here who either never read the source of information, never read the article, or just fly in with blantently wrong speculate statments

chonetsao wrote:
jodieellis wrote:
Confusing. But AA will still keep 77W instead. The 772 will likely be retired.


The original news source never said B772 fleet will be retired. It simply said AA is conducting a fleet review to discuss possibilities of the INCOMING B788/789 to replace the B772. That means B772 will be with AA for few more years until all B788/789 are delivered. That will take us to 2023 I believe.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:50 pm

9w748capt wrote:
If AA does retire the 77E, can they please retire the Concept D frames first!


Curious as to what's special about the Concept D frames.
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B717/722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 3:58 pm

They are simply conducting a review on how to put the new B787s to use. If travel rebounds by then, they can use them to increase the fleet. If the travel is still down, they could be used to slowly replace the B777-200s, which was the original plan anyway. They just said they are trying to make sure they are in a position to adapt to the demand. Thats all...
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 4:42 pm

I assume the plan for 772s to begin exiting AAs fleet in 2023 is still on. Does anyone know at what rate they will leave? Will it be a 1:1 replacement as the new 787s come on board?

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