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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:01 pm

It very well may have been the cheapest option in this case. They do fly rev flights all the time in and out of base when feasible, You are making an observation with 1/10th of the data points.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:14 am

cathay747 wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
A21N N402AN ferried PIT-DFW yesterday for service re-entry.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9791

A21N N416AN scheduled to ferry PIT-LAX tomorrow for service re-entry.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9779

All A321neo aircraft will now be back in service.


You'd think they'd work these airplanes into the schedule to operate a revenue flight vs. a ferry to help with their daily cash burn. I mean, PIT-LAX is a rather long way to fly an empty airplane. They should have done equip. subs on existing flights to DFW or another hub route from PIT for both of these and all past & future ones. Idiotic if you ask me.


With the limited demand right now, adding additional flights from PIT doesn't do much to help the bottom line.

The only reason the plane has to ferry to LAX is because the majority of the NEO fleet is routed through PHX and LAX.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:22 pm

alasizon wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
A21N N402AN ferried PIT-DFW yesterday for service re-entry.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9791

A21N N416AN scheduled to ferry PIT-LAX tomorrow for service re-entry.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9779

All A321neo aircraft will now be back in service.


You'd think they'd work these airplanes into the schedule to operate a revenue flight vs. a ferry to help with their daily cash burn. I mean, PIT-LAX is a rather long way to fly an empty airplane. They should have done equip. subs on existing flights to DFW or another hub route from PIT for both of these and all past & future ones. Idiotic if you ask me.


With the limited demand right now, adding additional flights from PIT doesn't do much to help the bottom line.

The only reason the plane has to ferry to LAX is because the majority of the NEO fleet is routed through PHX and LAX.


I understand that, I didn't say anything about adding any additional flight(s), I specifically said they "should have done equip. subs on existing flights. And with what you explained (thanks) about the Neo fleet, then at least the LAX ferry makes sense since there's currently no PIT-PHX flight, but they do fly PIT-DFW. In any event, not trying to start any argument; it just doesn't make sense to me to ferry an empty airplane when it would operate a scheduled flight an earn a little revenue.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:25 pm

A320 N668AW ferried PIT-SAL 6/2 for storage exit, MX entry.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9777
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:48 pm

Is there any information on when the 22 788s will be delivered? I know that they were supposed to start deliveries this year, but curious as to how many will enter service this year and next year.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:04 pm

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Is there any information on when the 22 788s will be delivered? I know that they were supposed to start deliveries this year, but curious as to how many will enter service this year and next year.


So far two have been delivered, N870AX and N871AY, both haven’t flown in the past 7 days so they’re likely stored for now.

I think AA planned to take 12 in 2020, one per month?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:41 pm

Assuming the Max ever gets certified again has AA made a decision about future deliveries? I'm assuming for this year AA would be very happy not to take any more Max deliveries. Are the 321NEOs going right into service?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:33 pm

Seriously, enough with the 321L on transcons. It is embarrassing to use those on 5 hour flights. Either ramp up the Oasis retrofits or use 321S. With so many planes not flying you would think it wouldn't be that hard to use strictly 321S or Oasis on transcons like CLT - SEA and PHL - SFO.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:43 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
Assuming the Max ever gets certified again has AA made a decision about future deliveries? I'm assuming for this year AA would be very happy not to take any more Max deliveries. Are the 321NEOs going right into service?

AA has not indicated they won't be taking the MAX, when delivered. Thirteen MAX aircraft are ready for delivery, and a fourteenth in production.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:05 pm

JonNYC is hinting that the Oasis refurbishments might be on hold for the remainder of the year

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1270 ... 58048?s=19
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:11 pm

JohanTally wrote:
JonNYC is hinting that the Oasis refurbishments might be on hold for the remainder of the year

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1270 ... 58048?s=19

I think I would use the word rumor over hint.

Anyways wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to stop spending money even though the rumor was there money allocated for the canned sardined program.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:56 pm

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Seriously, enough with the 321L on transcons. It is embarrassing to use those on 5 hour flights. Either ramp up the Oasis retrofits or use 321S. With so many planes not flying you would think it wouldn't be that hard to use strictly 321S or Oasis on transcons like CLT - SEA and PHL - SFO.

This. It is amazing how AA has prioritized the 320 and 737 over the A321 when they do the majority of transcontintal service. CLT-SEA is one of the longest of AA's transcon routes, but it has the oldest equipment in the mainline fleet. Especially shameful when you end up connecting on a refurbished 737 or 320. The hard product really hasn't changed except for a seat cover since the dowturn in '07.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:09 am

ahj2000 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Seriously, enough with the 321L on transcons. It is embarrassing to use those on 5 hour flights. Either ramp up the Oasis retrofits or use 321S. With so many planes not flying you would think it wouldn't be that hard to use strictly 321S or Oasis on transcons like CLT - SEA and PHL - SFO.

This. It is amazing how AA has prioritized the 320 and 737 over the A321 when they do the majority of transcontintal service. CLT-SEA is one of the longest of AA's transcon routes, but it has the oldest equipment in the mainline fleet. Especially shameful when you end up connecting on a refurbished 737 or 320. The hard product really hasn't changed except for a seat cover since the dowturn in '07.


The only reason I can think for that is delays by Airbus when it comes to the new massive overhead bins and other parts.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:18 am

cathay747 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
cathay747 wrote:

You'd think they'd work these airplanes into the schedule to operate a revenue flight vs. a ferry to help with their daily cash burn. I mean, PIT-LAX is a rather long way to fly an empty airplane. They should have done equip. subs on existing flights to DFW or another hub route from PIT for both of these and all past & future ones. Idiotic if you ask me.


With the limited demand right now, adding additional flights from PIT doesn't do much to help the bottom line.

The only reason the plane has to ferry to LAX is because the majority of the NEO fleet is routed through PHX and LAX.


I understand that, I didn't say anything about adding any additional flight(s), I specifically said they "should have done equip. subs on existing flights. And with what you explained (thanks) about the Neo fleet, then at least the LAX ferry makes sense since there's currently no PIT-PHX flight, but they do fly PIT-DFW. In any event, not trying to start any argument; it just doesn't make sense to me to ferry an empty airplane when it would operate a scheduled flight an earn a little revenue.


The problem is that if AA subs a 321N stored at PIT onto an outbound flight, then they likely have a different aircraft stranded at PIT that flew in and was originally planned to operate the subbed outbound flight. With dozens of aircraft stored at PIT, AA has to either schedule extra outbound revenue flights or do ferry flights to whittle away at the stored fleet.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:58 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Seriously, enough with the 321L on transcons. It is embarrassing to use those on 5 hour flights. Either ramp up the Oasis retrofits or use 321S. With so many planes not flying you would think it wouldn't be that hard to use strictly 321S or Oasis on transcons like CLT - SEA and PHL - SFO.


Pardon my ignorance but I'm not familiar with "321L" -- is that a LUS 321? and 321S is non 321T LAA?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:02 pm

AAtakeMeAway wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Seriously, enough with the 321L on transcons. It is embarrassing to use those on 5 hour flights. Either ramp up the Oasis retrofits or use 321S. With so many planes not flying you would think it wouldn't be that hard to use strictly 321S or Oasis on transcons like CLT - SEA and PHL - SFO.


Pardon my ignorance but I'm not familiar with "321L" -- is that a LUS 321? and 321S is non 321T LAA?


Yes, 321L is LUS 321.

321T is the 3-class that does JFK to LAX and SFO.

321S is the Legacy AA 321.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:31 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
AAtakeMeAway wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Seriously, enough with the 321L on transcons. It is embarrassing to use those on 5 hour flights. Either ramp up the Oasis retrofits or use 321S. With so many planes not flying you would think it wouldn't be that hard to use strictly 321S or Oasis on transcons like CLT - SEA and PHL - SFO.


Pardon my ignorance but I'm not familiar with "321L" -- is that a LUS 321? and 321S is non 321T LAA?


Yes, 321L is LUS 321.

321T is the 3-class that does JFK to LAX and SFO.

321S is the Legacy AA 321.


It's not an embarrassing product if you are tall, especially on a transcon. In terms of Main Cabin legroom it's the best in the fleet, and the lack of power ports is something you can manage with just a bit of planning (even for a transcon).
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:40 pm

mikeyp224 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
AAtakeMeAway wrote:

Pardon my ignorance but I'm not familiar with "321L" -- is that a LUS 321? and 321S is non 321T LAA?


Yes, 321L is LUS 321.

321T is the 3-class that does JFK to LAX and SFO.

321S is the Legacy AA 321.


It's not an embarrassing product if you are tall, especially on a transcon. In terms of Main Cabin legroom it's the best in the fleet, and the lack of power ports is something you can manage with just a bit of planning (even for a transcon).


Personally, I find the LUS F seats the most comfortable for my body type and since I travel with two laptops and two phones, power ports aren't an issue for me as both of my PCs will last at least 4 hours.

Coach wise, the legroom on the LUS 321 is great; the longer distance flights on the 319s and LAA 321s always feel very cramped and oddly the exit rows are more uncomfortable than the rest of the plane for me on those aircraft.

We all know that different people have different priorities when it comes to booking and there simply aren't enough 32S/32N to cover all of the transcons.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:01 pm

AA to reactivate 83 A320 family aircraft and 58 737-800s from storage.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... st-flights

A319 N819AW ferried PIT-PHL yesterday for service re-entry.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9778

A321 N125AA scheduled to ferry PIT-PHL today for service re-entry.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9780
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:17 pm

alasizon wrote:
Personally, I find the LUS F seats the most comfortable for my body type and since I travel with two laptops and two phones, power ports aren't an issue for me as both of my PCs will last at least 4 hours.

Coach wise, the legroom on the LUS 321 is great; the longer distance flights on the 319s and LAA 321s always feel very cramped and oddly the exit rows are more uncomfortable than the rest of the plane for me on those aircraft.


Agreed. The LUS A320s and specially the A321s now have the most comfortable coach products in the fleet.

I'm very happy to sacrifice power ports in exchange for getting off the plane without back pain, as happened to me after a quick MCO-MIA hop in an awful Oasis seat.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:19 pm

OB1504 wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Personally, I find the LUS F seats the most comfortable for my body type and since I travel with two laptops and two phones, power ports aren't an issue for me as both of my PCs will last at least 4 hours.

Coach wise, the legroom on the LUS 321 is great; the longer distance flights on the 319s and LAA 321s always feel very cramped and oddly the exit rows are more uncomfortable than the rest of the plane for me on those aircraft.


Agreed. The LUS A320s and specially the A321s now have the most comfortable coach products in the fleet.

I'm very happy to sacrifice power ports in exchange for getting off the plane without back pain, as happened to me after a quick MCO-MIA hop in an awful Oasis seat.


The LUS A320s have power now too. So that's an improvement.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:36 pm

Now that the LUS 320 has power and USB ports at every seat, it has one of the most comfortable narrowbody cabins of any airline in the US. I love especially the first class seats. So spacious.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:31 pm

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Now that the LUS 320 has power and USB ports at every seat, it has one of the most comfortable narrowbody cabins of any airline in the US. I love especially the first class seats. So spacious.


And with 0% chance of getting an Oasis A320, it is now the crown jewel of the domestic fleet in my opinion.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:05 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
planecane wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

They have not updated their schedule for aircraft just frequencies.

They are now going sooner than 2021.


I'll be curious if they can still fly that route without the 757. I'd assume that if another of their aircraft could do it with a reasonable load they would have used something more efficient by now. I'd guess an A319 could do it with seats blocked but it would be lower capacity than the typical load on the route that I've observed. I don't think the 738 or A321 has the necessary climb performance. I've only ever noticed 757s, 73Gs or A319s from any airline to any destination out of EGE.

From what I understand, the A319s that AA sends to EGE tend to be the much newer models as they have higher thrust engines.

An interesting contrast to this is that AA mostly sends the more vintage A319s like the ex-US birds to LAX, largely for longer thinner routes such as LAX-OMA/IND/AUS/SDF/RDU, etc. At least one notable exception is that EGE-LAX is flown by the newer more powerful AA A319s.

Whether even the newer AA 319s would be workable economically (even if there would be no need(?) to block out seats) for longer routes like EGE-MIA is another question.

As a side note, UA use to send at least a few A320s/old 733s to EGE. But most if not all of these flights were EGE-DEN thus there would be a minimal fuel load on these short hops.


Just to update, the MIA-EGE route has been switched to an A319. Other than the last row, nothing seems to be blocked from the seat map. I guess when things get back to normal, the fares for this flight will go up since the capacity is 20-30 seats less than the typical load I've observed although the operating cost should be significantly lower than the 752.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:45 pm

Back up a few posts.

321L is the legacy US 321; 321T is the special config premium market 321; 321S is the standard AA 321. What is the 321Q the 321 NEO? Just got booked onto one of those for next month.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:57 pm

washingtonflyer wrote:
Back up a few posts.

321L is the legacy US 321; 321T is the special config premium market 321; 321S is the standard AA 321. What is the 321Q the 321 NEO? Just got booked onto one of those for next month.

32Q is indeed the A321neo.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:09 pm

Any updates on 321 and 737 retrofits?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:23 am

Detroit313 wrote:
Any updates on 321 and 737 retrofits?

321L retrofits have been sped up and are being prioritized over 321S. 737’s are continuing with Oasis 2.0 (Kodiak).
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:38 am

I must have missed the post describing it, but what is Kodiak and how does it differ from Oasis?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:49 am

AAlaxfan wrote:
I must have missed the post describing it, but what is Kodiak and how does it differ from Oasis?


Kodiak has some simple improvements to First Class, such as a larger partition between First/Economy, some more padding, some more under-seat storage, and tablet holders/USB ports on the First Class seatbacks for the 737.

Pictures: https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... rst-class/
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:37 pm

An interesting movement today: B38M N324RN ferrying ROW-TUL

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9791
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:06 am

Ishrion wrote:
AAlaxfan wrote:
I must have missed the post describing it, but what is Kodiak and how does it differ from Oasis?


Kodiak has some simple improvements to First Class, such as a larger partition between First/Economy, some more padding, some more under-seat storage, and tablet holders/USB ports on the First Class seatbacks for the 737.

Pictures: https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... rst-class/


Kodiak is a huge improvement. It might sound like minor details, but they do make a difference.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:47 am

Detroit313 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
AAlaxfan wrote:
I must have missed the post describing it, but what is Kodiak and how does it differ from Oasis?


Kodiak has some simple improvements to First Class, such as a larger partition between First/Economy, some more padding, some more under-seat storage, and tablet holders/USB ports on the First Class seatbacks for the 737.

Pictures: https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... rst-class/


Kodiak is a huge improvement. It might sound like minor details, but they do make a difference.


It only improves the First Class experience but at the expense of making row 10 a standard row instead of main cabin extra.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:59 pm

Another MAX heading to TUL, N303RE ferrying today.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KROW/KTUL
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:10 pm

JohanTally wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Kodiak has some simple improvements to First Class, such as a larger partition between First/Economy, some more padding, some more under-seat storage, and tablet holders/USB ports on the First Class seatbacks for the 737.

Pictures: https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... rst-class/


Kodiak is a huge improvement. It might sound like minor details, but they do make a difference.


It only improves the First Class experience but at the expense of making row 10 a standard row instead of main cabin extra.


Is there any way to know how many 737 have been Kodiaked so far?

Also, I assume whatever gets Oasised right now gets Kodiaked right away? For a while they did it separate which was dumb.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:12 pm

JohanTally wrote:
JonNYC is hinting that the Oasis refurbishments might be on hold for the remainder of the year

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1270 ... 58048?s=19



Seems like he's been wrong more than right recently.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:16 pm

Looks like AA's newest A321NEOs are readying for delivery. Acft N413AN has had one test flight at Hamburg, and acft N418AN has had three test flights at Mobile.
 
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Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:42 pm

Here’s a nice update on AA’s deliveries this year:

https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... lane-cost/
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:42 pm

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Here’s a nice update on AA’s deliveries this year:

https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... lane-cost/


Good article about the fact of the deliveries but bad analysis. AA's 22 MAX aircraft MAY not be delivered because AA said it won't take delivery of any MAX until it is re-certified by the FAA. Um, no one is taking deliveries and Boeing isn't delivering the plane to anyone. That doesn't mean the 22 planes won't be taken at some time. Also, the A321XLR would have no bearing on the MAX - it's a 757/thin 767 replacement that Boeing doesn't even have an offering for.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:47 pm

deltaffindfw wrote:
atlflyer wrote:
Here’s a nice update on AA’s deliveries this year:

https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... lane-cost/


Good article about the fact of the deliveries but bad analysis. AA's 22 MAX aircraft MAY not be delivered because AA said it won't take delivery of any MAX until it is re-certified by the FAA. Um, no one is taking deliveries and Boeing isn't delivering the plane to anyone. That doesn't mean the 22 planes won't be taken at some time. Also, the A321XLR would have no bearing on the MAX - it's a 757/thin 767 replacement that Boeing doesn't even have an offering for.


Yeah... the articles are questionable... kinda weird syntax and grammar, such as "ideally suited to put on routes where American Airlines use Boeing 757s."

And technically Frontier was the first U.S. airline to order the XLR, not American as stated in the article.

Also:

"As the new aircraft arrives, American Airlines will retire, 11 Boeing 767s, and 20 Embraer E190s."


Surprise, they're already retired. At this point I guess I'm just pointing out everything...
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:34 am

Which aircraft will replace the 752 in flights to South America?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:54 am

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Which aircraft will replace the 752 in flights to South America?


DFW-LIM - 787-8
MIA-LIM - 3x A321ceo
MIA-BSB - A321ceo
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:58 am

Ishrion wrote:
AirLawyer wrote:
Which aircraft will replace the 752 in flights to South America?


DFW-LIM - 787-8
MIA-LIM - 3x A321ceo
MIA-BSB - A321ceo


I expect MIA-BSB to change to an A321neo at the very least. I think a 321ceo would really struggle on that route... it's 500+ miles further than even DFW-FAI.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:25 am

MIA-BSB with 321ceo it is impossible..

DFW-LIM with 787, I think is too much, but lets see...
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:28 am

AirLawyer wrote:
MIA-BSB with 321ceo it is impossible..

DFW-LIM with 787, I think is too much, but lets see...


Well it is 239 VS 190. 49 seats increase. But it could be a perfect way to utilise the aircraft when it is in between US-EU flights. Also it might be worth a while for the cargo capacity. I think DFW-LIM is longer than MIA-LIM but I could be wrong here.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:07 pm

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deltaffindfw wrote:
atlflyer wrote:
Here’s a nice update on AA’s deliveries this year:
https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... lane-cost/

Good article about the fact of the deliveries but bad analysis. AA's 22 MAX aircraft MAY not be delivered because AA said it won't take delivery of any MAX until it is re-certified by the FAA. Um, no one is taking deliveries and Boeing isn't delivering the plane to anyone. That doesn't mean the 22 planes won't be taken at some time. Also, the A321XLR would have no bearing on the MAX - it's a 757/thin 767 replacement that Boeing doesn't even have an offering for.


Yeah... the articles are questionable... kinda weird syntax and grammar, such as "ideally suited to put on routes where American Airlines use Boeing 757s."
And technically Frontier was the first U.S. airline to order the XLR, not American as stated in the article.
Also:
"As the new aircraft arrives, American Airlines will retire, 11 Boeing 767s, and 20 Embraer E190s."

Surprise, they're already retired. At this point I guess I'm just pointing out everything...


I read in some thread here on a.net somebody saying "stop reading simpleflying" as apparently their writing is historically terrible and also inaccurate/garbage.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:21 pm

Ishrion wrote:
AirLawyer wrote:
Which aircraft will replace the 752 in flights to South America?


DFW-LIM - 787-8
MIA-LIM - 3x A321ceo
MIA-BSB - A321ceo


I have to believe they will upgrade all the SA stuff to the NEO. Just waiting for a tail delivery to do it?

I know LATAM is gone, but did AA have any JV restrictions to South America requiring lie flat seats like the transatlantic JV?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:56 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
AirLawyer wrote:
Which aircraft will replace the 752 in flights to South America?


DFW-LIM - 787-8
MIA-LIM - 3x A321ceo
MIA-BSB - A321ceo


I have to believe they will upgrade all the SA stuff to the NEO. Just waiting for a tail delivery to do it?

I know LATAM is gone, but did AA have any JV restrictions to South America requiring lie flat seats like the transatlantic JV?


Very doubtful. The 773, 772s, 763s and 75Ls that were used for SA had flat beds for Europe runs.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:50 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
deltaffindfw wrote:
Good article about the fact of the deliveries but bad analysis. AA's 22 MAX aircraft MAY not be delivered because AA said it won't take delivery of any MAX until it is re-certified by the FAA. Um, no one is taking deliveries and Boeing isn't delivering the plane to anyone. That doesn't mean the 22 planes won't be taken at some time. Also, the A321XLR would have no bearing on the MAX - it's a 757/thin 767 replacement that Boeing doesn't even have an offering for.


Yeah... the articles are questionable... kinda weird syntax and grammar, such as "ideally suited to put on routes where American Airlines use Boeing 757s."
And technically Frontier was the first U.S. airline to order the XLR, not American as stated in the article.
Also:
"As the new aircraft arrives, American Airlines will retire, 11 Boeing 767s, and 20 Embraer E190s."

Surprise, they're already retired. At this point I guess I'm just pointing out everything...


I read in some thread here on a.net somebody saying "stop reading simpleflying" as apparently their writing is historically terrible and also inaccurate/garbage.


I second that. Their news and analysis is kids masquerading as journalists and experts.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:59 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
AirLawyer wrote:
Which aircraft will replace the 752 in flights to South America?


DFW-LIM - 787-8
MIA-LIM - 3x A321ceo
MIA-BSB - A321ceo


I have to believe they will upgrade all the SA stuff to the NEO. Just waiting for a tail delivery to do it?

I know LATAM is gone, but did AA have any JV restrictions to South America requiring lie flat seats like the transatlantic JV?


No, because they had no JV to SA; they tried with LATAM but that of course is what got squashed by the Chileans and the rest is history.
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