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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:23 pm

It’s a heritage livery and it’s the only aircraft in the fleet with the polished aluminum livery. Registration is N921NN.
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:23 pm

It’s a heritage plane. All AA planes are painted in their normal livery or are heritage liveries. There are no more bare painted planes left waiting for repaint.
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:22 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
A couple weeks ago in STT I saw an AA 738 take off that was still in the polished aluminum paint scheme. I didn’t realize there were still some left not painted in the current paint scheme. Was this a special heritage plane or are there more than one polished aluminum AA 737 still flying?

Also - if anyone knows the registrations of the plane(s) I’d be grateful!


It's N921NN, the AA silver bird 738.
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:31 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
A couple weeks ago in STT I saw an AA 738 take off that was still in the polished aluminum paint scheme. I didn’t realize there were still some left not painted in the current paint scheme. Was this a special heritage plane or are there more than one polished aluminum AA 737 still flying?

Also - if anyone knows the registrations of the plane(s) I’d be grateful!


It’s a heritage livery plane.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2017/12/14/ame ... g-737-800/

That one is N921NN.

The other heritage planes are AstroJet (N905NN), TWA (N915NN), Reno Air (N916NN), AirCal (N917NN), PSA (N742PS), and US Airways (N578UW).
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:37 pm

USAirKid wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
A couple weeks ago in STT I saw an AA 738 take off that was still in the polished aluminum paint scheme. I didn’t realize there were still some left not painted in the current paint scheme. Was this a special heritage plane or are there more than one polished aluminum AA 737 still flying?

Also - if anyone knows the registrations of the plane(s) I’d be grateful!


It’s a heritage livery plane.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2017/12/14/ame ... g-737-800/

That one is N921NN.

The other heritage planes are AstroJet (N905NN), TWA (N915NN), Reno Air (N916NN), AirCal (N917NN), PSA (N742PS), and US Airways (N578UW).


Don't forget N744P in Piedmont blue N745VJ in Allegheny livery and N838AW in America West colors
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:25 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
A couple weeks ago in STT I saw an AA 738 take off that was still in the polished aluminum paint scheme. I didn’t realize there were still some left not painted in the current paint scheme. Was this a special heritage plane or are there more than one polished aluminum AA 737 still flying?

Also - if anyone knows the registrations of the plane(s) I’d be grateful!


Should be noted in the comments column on this site: https://sites.google.com/site/newameric ... /738-oasis
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:28 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
A couple weeks ago in STT I saw an AA 738 take off that was still in the polished aluminum paint scheme. I didn’t realize there were still some left not painted in the current paint scheme. Was this a special heritage plane or are there more than one polished aluminum AA 737 still flying?

Also - if anyone knows the registrations of the plane(s) I’d be grateful!


That was N921NN (ship 3KG). It was the last aircraft delivered in the 1967 livery and has been kept as a heritage jet.

 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:45 am

Anyone else get the feeling that we’ve all been watching Airplane! Too much since we’ve answered the question about N921NN many many times already?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:28 am

Are 788s getting a new config?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:36 am

USAirKid wrote:
Anyone else get the feeling that we’ve all been watching Airplane! Too much since we’ve answered the question about N921NN many many times already?


It’s a shiny airplane with a heritage paint job....but that’s not important right now
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:52 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
A couple weeks ago in STT I saw an AA 738 take off that was still in the polished aluminum paint scheme. I didn’t realize there were still some left not painted in the current paint scheme. Was this a special heritage plane or are there more than one polished aluminum AA 737 still flying?

Also - if anyone knows the registrations of the plane(s) I’d be grateful!

There is only one it’s a heritage livery.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:34 pm

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1289346948596523008

If there's any truth behind this rumor (and he's been proven right a number of times in the past) then I would suspect he's likely referring to the 772's. Most of the 772's are still in storage and frankly don't have much good use until international travel considerably picks back up, especially with several new 788 deliveries coming up.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:48 pm

772s will be used in CLT as they are opening up a crew base and have already brought one here for about a month for maintenance and ramp training and gate fitting.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:40 pm

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772s will be used in CLT as they are opening up a crew base and have already brought one here for about a month for maintenance and ramp training and gate fitting.


You are correct about the CLT 77E crew base but at this point it seems unlikely there will be any flights to Europe from CLT the rest of this year. They have already cancelled until late October but that will probably be extended especially if the 77Es are being stored. It's possible the E140s get stored with the planned reductions at Envoy in October.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:17 pm

Anyone has any updates on Oasis retrofits? How many 737 and 321 have been done?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:08 am

Airbus A321 -253NX 9584 N420AN American Airlines delivery 29jul20 BFM-TUL ex F-WZMG
Airbus A321 -253NX 10017 N419AN American Airlines delivery 31jul20 BFM-TUL ex F-WZMJ
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:36 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
A couple weeks ago in STT I saw an AA 738 take off that was still in the polished aluminum paint scheme. I didn’t realize there were still some left not painted in the current paint scheme. Was this a special heritage plane or are there more than one polished aluminum AA 737 still flying?

Also - if anyone knows the registrations of the plane(s) I’d be grateful!


N921NN was the last 738 delivered in the previous livery, and was retained as a heritage jet.

-Rowen
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:16 pm

Not sure if this is accurate.
TUL-PHL 789
8/4 Dep. 2:38pm
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KTUL/KPHL
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:12 pm

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Not sure if this is accurate.
TUL-PHL 789
8/4 Dep. 2:38pm
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KTUL/KPHL

This ship will fly AA9715/16 on 05-06th of August PHL-AMS-PHL . Cargo only flight though .
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:54 pm

AA's third new B787-8, N872AN, is showing as ready for delivery. New acft N873BB has returned from painting at Portland.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:13 pm

And two 738 Max’s ferried from ROS-TUL
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:52 pm

OB1504 wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
A couple weeks ago in STT I saw an AA 738 take off that was still in the polished aluminum paint scheme. I didn’t realize there were still some left not painted in the current paint scheme. Was this a special heritage plane or are there more than one polished aluminum AA 737 still flying?

Also - if anyone knows the registrations of the plane(s) I’d be grateful!


That was N921NN (ship 3KG). It was the last aircraft delivered in the 1967 livery and has been kept as a heritage jet.



Would it kill AA to give us a bare metal USAir scheme and/or late 1990s USAIRWAYS Steve Wolf heritage jets as well? And if we really wanna get technical, they should add a Trump Shuttle livery too. ;-)
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:12 am

N649DL wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
A couple weeks ago in STT I saw an AA 738 take off that was still in the polished aluminum paint scheme. I didn’t realize there were still some left not painted in the current paint scheme. Was this a special heritage plane or are there more than one polished aluminum AA 737 still flying?

Also - if anyone knows the registrations of the plane(s) I’d be grateful!


That was N921NN (ship 3KG). It was the last aircraft delivered in the 1967 livery and has been kept as a heritage jet.



Would it kill AA to give us a bare metal USAir scheme and/or late 1990s USAIRWAYS Steve Wolf heritage jets as well? And if we really wanna get technical, they should add a Trump Shuttle livery too. ;-)


A Trump Shuttle heritage would be sweet. I really like the livery that was designed for it.

That being said, never gonna happen for obvious reasons.

-----

On a related note, an Eagle heritage on an E175 is something Ive always wanted to pitch to corporate.
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:42 am

UA748i wrote:
N649DL wrote:
OB1504 wrote:

That was N921NN (ship 3KG). It was the last aircraft delivered in the 1967 livery and has been kept as a heritage jet.



Would it kill AA to give us a bare metal USAir scheme and/or late 1990s USAIRWAYS Steve Wolf heritage jets as well? And if we really wanna get technical, they should add a Trump Shuttle livery too. ;-)


A Trump Shuttle heritage would be sweet. I really like the livery that was designed for it.

That being said, never gonna happen for obvious reasons.

-----

On a related note, an Eagle heritage on an E175 is something Ive always wanted to pitch to corporate.

US never owned the Trump Shutle, they managed it for Citibank and once it was bought the name was changed. And a big he’ll no
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:40 am

Boof02671 wrote:
UA748i wrote:
N649DL wrote:

Would it kill AA to give us a bare metal USAir scheme and/or late 1990s USAIRWAYS Steve Wolf heritage jets as well? And if we really wanna get technical, they should add a Trump Shuttle livery too. ;-)


A Trump Shuttle heritage would be sweet. I really like the livery that was designed for it.

That being said, never gonna happen for obvious reasons.

-----

On a related note, an Eagle heritage on an E175 is something Ive always wanted to pitch to corporate.

US never owned the Trump Shutle, they managed it for Citibank and once it was bought the name was changed. And a big he’ll no


New AF1 color looks exactly like Trump Shuttle anyways so we'll get it sooner or later lol. And it actually looks really nice.
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:59 am

N649DL wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
UA748i wrote:

A Trump Shuttle heritage would be sweet. I really like the livery that was designed for it.

That being said, never gonna happen for obvious reasons.

-----

On a related note, an Eagle heritage on an E175 is something Ive always wanted to pitch to corporate.

US never owned the Trump Shutle, they managed it for Citibank and once it was bought the name was changed. And a big he’ll no


New AF1 color looks exactly like Trump Shuttle anyways so we'll get it sooner or later lol. And it actually looks really nice.


It's actually grown on me. I think the new VC-25Bs will be a very executive and handsome looking aircraft.

But no, a Trump AA heritage jet will never happen.
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:50 am

N649DL wrote:
Would it kill AA to give us a bare metal USAir scheme and/or late 1990s USAIRWAYS Steve Wolf heritage jets as well? And if we really wanna get technical, they should add a Trump Shuttle livery too. ;-)


All the heritage liveries on the PM US side are on NB Airbusses, since they started them before the merger with AA. I don’t think they want to stray from that
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:54 am

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US never owned the Trump Shutle, they managed it for Citibank and once it was bought the name was changed. And a big he’ll no


I’m pretty sure that for a while US Air owned the shuttle jointly the banks who financed it. (Citibank was the lead of a syndicated loan to Trump Shuttle.) They had an option to buy the banks out and eventually did. Although AFAIK Shuttle Inc survived as a subsidiary of US Air/US Air Group for quite sometime.
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:53 am

USAirKid wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
US never owned the Trump Shutle, they managed it for Citibank and once it was bought the name was changed. And a big he’ll no


I’m pretty sure that for a while US Air owned the shuttle jointly the banks who financed it. (Citibank was the lead of a syndicated loan to Trump Shuttle.) They had an option to buy the banks out and eventually did. Although AFAIK Shuttle Inc survived as a subsidiary of US Air/US Air Group for quite sometime.

Nope Trump defaulted, Citibank hired US to manage it, and had an option to buy it which they did after a specific time period. It was never owned jointly. I was working for US and was an IAM rep and after the Shuttle was merged their mechanics sued the IAM wanting their Eastern seniority.


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:34 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
And two 738 Max’s ferried from ROS-TUL


Why though?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:38 pm

AAtakeMeAway wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
And two 738 Max’s ferried from ROS-TUL


Why though?


Boeing and the FAA have approved the modifications that need to be made to make the planes airworthy. aa appears to be doing that work in TUL. United has been flying MAXs to MCO for the work....takes about 2 weeks per plane.
 
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:24 pm

USAirKid wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Would it kill AA to give us a bare metal USAir scheme and/or late 1990s USAIRWAYS Steve Wolf heritage jets as well? And if we really wanna get technical, they should add a Trump Shuttle livery too. ;-)


All the heritage liveries on the PM US side are on NB Airbusses, since they started them before the merger with AA. I don’t think they want to stray from that


Understood it’s also tied back to original registration numbers as well, but for instance Piedmont never operated the 319, TWA / AirCal / Reno Air never had 738 and are all current AA Heritage Schemes. They could easily do a Steve Wolf US scheme on an Airbus but a bare metal USAir early 1990s scheme could only be done on a 738 (Bare metal finish can’t be done on Airbuses)
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:07 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
AAtakeMeAway wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
And two 738 Max’s ferried from ROS-TUL


Why though?


Boeing and the FAA have approved the modifications that need to be made to make the planes airworthy. aa appears to be doing that work in TUL. United has been flying MAXs to MCO for the work....takes about 2 weeks per plane.

The FAA hasn’t approved the fixes yet. The 45 day comment period is still open. And AA will not be doing the work nor will UA, Boeing itself is doing it and they’ve hired a bunch of retired former airline mechanics on a temporary basis.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:13 am

Boof02671 wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
AAtakeMeAway wrote:

Why though?


Boeing and the FAA have approved the modifications that need to be made to make the planes airworthy. aa appears to be doing that work in TUL. United has been flying MAXs to MCO for the work....takes about 2 weeks per plane.

The FAA hasn’t approved the fixes yet. The 45 day comment period is still open. And AA will not be doing the work nor will UA, Boeing itself is doing it and they’ve hired a bunch of retired former airline mechanics on a temporary basis.


Weird because United put out an article on the company website and said MCO mechanics are completing the work.

I don’t know what AA is doing but the UA work appears to be in house.....I’m sure Boeing is on site in MCO to oversee.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:28 am

This may have already been mentioned but it looks like a 777-200 will be making a daily CLT-MIA starting Sept 10th
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:51 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

Boeing and the FAA have approved the modifications that need to be made to make the planes airworthy. aa appears to be doing that work in TUL. United has been flying MAXs to MCO for the work....takes about 2 weeks per plane.

The FAA hasn’t approved the fixes yet. The 45 day comment period is still open. And AA will not be doing the work nor will UA, Boeing itself is doing it and they’ve hired a bunch of retired former airline mechanics on a temporary basis.


Weird because United put out an article on the company website and said MCO mechanics are completing the work.

I don’t know what AA is doing but the UA work appears to be in house.....I’m sure Boeing is on site in MCO to oversee.

There is no work to be completed, the FAA hasn’t approved any plan to fix the Max, no ADs have been issued, and as I said the comment period is still open. They can be performing routine maintenance, but no fix to the MCAS system has been approved.

“FAA Updates on Boeing 737 MAX8/3/2020
Boeing 737 MAX AD NPRM Now Available for Early Public Review
Today, the FAA sent a notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM) for a Boeing 737 MAX airworthiness directive (AD) (PDF) to the Office of the Federal Register for publication. The NPRM proposes mandating a number of design changes to address an identified unsafe condition. When the NPRM publishes in the Federal Register, a 45 day public comment period will begin. The FAA is posting the NPRM on its website today to enable the public to begin review early.
The FAA will also be placing the Preliminary Summary of the FAA’s Review of the Boeing 737 MAX (PDF) in the docket to assist with the review of the proposed AD.“

https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=93206

Summary report

https://www.faa.gov/news/media/attachme ... ry-v-1.pdf
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:14 am

Boof02671 wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
AAtakeMeAway wrote:

Why though?


Boeing and the FAA have approved the modifications that need to be made to make the planes airworthy. aa appears to be doing that work in TUL. United has been flying MAXs to MCO for the work....takes about 2 weeks per plane.

The FAA hasn’t approved the fixes yet. The 45 day comment period is still open. And AA will not be doing the work nor will UA, Boeing itself is doing it and they’ve hired a bunch of retired former airline mechanics on a temporary basis.


By you stating that Boeing has hired a bunch of retired mechanics to implement fixes seems that they believe it's close to approval and airlines moving their Max's to a in house maintenance facility would also solidify that. Most airlines that have taken delivery of the Max will be eager to put them back in the air because they should provide cost savings at a time when cash is king. Airlines would much rather have older aircraft sitting idle in the desert.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:25 am

Boof02671 wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
The FAA hasn’t approved the fixes yet. The 45 day comment period is still open. And AA will not be doing the work nor will UA, Boeing itself is doing it and they’ve hired a bunch of retired former airline mechanics on a temporary basis.


Weird because United put out an article on the company website and said MCO mechanics are completing the work.

I don’t know what AA is doing but the UA work appears to be in house.....I’m sure Boeing is on site in MCO to oversee.

There is no work to be completed, the FAA hasn’t approved any plan to fix the Max, no ADs have been issued, and as I said the comment period is still open. They can be performing routine maintenance, but no fix to the MCAS system has been approved.

“FAA Updates on Boeing 737 MAX8/3/2020
Boeing 737 MAX AD NPRM Now Available for Early Public Review
Today, the FAA sent a notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM) for a Boeing 737 MAX airworthiness directive (AD) (PDF) to the Office of the Federal Register for publication. The NPRM proposes mandating a number of design changes to address an identified unsafe condition. When the NPRM publishes in the Federal Register, a 45 day public comment period will begin. The FAA is posting the NPRM on its website today to enable the public to begin review early.
The FAA will also be placing the Preliminary Summary of the FAA’s Review of the Boeing 737 MAX (PDF) in the docket to assist with the review of the proposed AD.“

https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=93206

Summary report

https://www.faa.gov/news/media/attachme ... ry-v-1.pdf



Yeah well United Airlines and MCO maintenance disagree with your expert analysis of maintenance operation. Still no mention of Boeing mechanics doing the work just a big shout out to MCO mechanics and pictures of them doing the work.

I’ll let this topic get back to AA fleets. Have a good one.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:32 am

JohanTally wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

Boeing and the FAA have approved the modifications that need to be made to make the planes airworthy. aa appears to be doing that work in TUL. United has been flying MAXs to MCO for the work....takes about 2 weeks per plane.

The FAA hasn’t approved the fixes yet. The 45 day comment period is still open. And AA will not be doing the work nor will UA, Boeing itself is doing it and they’ve hired a bunch of retired former airline mechanics on a temporary basis.


By you stating that Boeing has hired a bunch of retired mechanics to implement fixes seems that they believe it's close to approval and airlines moving their Max's to a in house maintenance facility would also solidify that. Most airlines that have taken delivery of the Max will be eager to put them back in the air because they should provide cost savings at a time when cash is king. Airlines would much rather have older aircraft sitting idle in the desert.

They had their guys hired for over six months and longer. They are keeping the ones Boeing had stored at Moses Lake. The comment period isn’t even over yet. AA’s last internal update they were hoping for a December RTS.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:36 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

Weird because United put out an article on the company website and said MCO mechanics are completing the work.

I don’t know what AA is doing but the UA work appears to be in house.....I’m sure Boeing is on site in MCO to oversee.

There is no work to be completed, the FAA hasn’t approved any plan to fix the Max, no ADs have been issued, and as I said the comment period is still open. They can be performing routine maintenance, but no fix to the MCAS system has been approved.

“FAA Updates on Boeing 737 MAX8/3/2020
Boeing 737 MAX AD NPRM Now Available for Early Public Review
Today, the FAA sent a notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM) for a Boeing 737 MAX airworthiness directive (AD) (PDF) to the Office of the Federal Register for publication. The NPRM proposes mandating a number of design changes to address an identified unsafe condition. When the NPRM publishes in the Federal Register, a 45 day public comment period will begin. The FAA is posting the NPRM on its website today to enable the public to begin review early.
The FAA will also be placing the Preliminary Summary of the FAA’s Review of the Boeing 737 MAX (PDF) in the docket to assist with the review of the proposed AD.“

https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=93206

Summary report

https://www.faa.gov/news/media/attachme ... ry-v-1.pdf



Yeah well United Airlines and MCO maintenance disagree with your expert analysis of maintenance operation. Still no mention of Boeing mechanics doing the work just a big shout out to MCO mechanics and pictures of them doing the work.

I’ll let this topic get back to AA fleets. Have a good one.

Apparently you don’t grasp how it works. No work can be done by anyone as there are NO ADs and no approved fixes. I don’t understand why you can’t comprehend you can’t fix a plane that had no approved procedures nor an AD.


https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing- ... 2019-9?amp
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:41 am

Boof02671 wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
There is no work to be completed, the FAA hasn’t approved any plan to fix the Max, no ADs have been issued, and as I said the comment period is still open. They can be performing routine maintenance, but no fix to the MCAS system has been approved.

“FAA Updates on Boeing 737 MAX8/3/2020
Boeing 737 MAX AD NPRM Now Available for Early Public Review
Today, the FAA sent a notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM) for a Boeing 737 MAX airworthiness directive (AD) (PDF) to the Office of the Federal Register for publication. The NPRM proposes mandating a number of design changes to address an identified unsafe condition. When the NPRM publishes in the Federal Register, a 45 day public comment period will begin. The FAA is posting the NPRM on its website today to enable the public to begin review early.
The FAA will also be placing the Preliminary Summary of the FAA’s Review of the Boeing 737 MAX (PDF) in the docket to assist with the review of the proposed AD.“

https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=93206

Summary report

https://www.faa.gov/news/media/attachme ... ry-v-1.pdf



Yeah well United Airlines and MCO maintenance disagree with your expert analysis of maintenance operation. Still no mention of Boeing mechanics doing the work just a big shout out to MCO mechanics and pictures of them doing the work.

I’ll let this topic get back to AA fleets. Have a good one.

Apparently you don’t grasp how it works. No work can be done by anyone as there are NO ADs and no approved fixes. I don’t understand why you can’t comprehend you can’t fix a plane that had no approved procedures nor an AD.


https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing- ... 2019-9?amp


Here you go direct quote from the internal united article:

“Phase One occurs in MCO’s South Hangar and takes four to five days. One of the biggest parts of Phase One is to address an issue that has received a lot of coverage. The Stabilizer Trim System Arm Circuit Wire Separation modification re-routes existing wiring and installs replacement wiring to create physical separation of the Stabilizer Arm Circuit and the Stabilizer Control Circuit in case there is a wiring failure.”

So what work are they doing? I don’t know what AA is doing but UA is getting the MAXs ready.
 
Boof02671
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:53 am

No approved fixes. I don’t grasp why you don’t understand. The FAA will have a field day with UA.

Guess you didn’t read the FAA report where those are proposed fixes, not approved.

Guess you’ve never worked aircraft maintenance. You work off of a job card writing from an AD and EO.

So since there is no approved Boeing not FAA authorized fix. What ever they might be doing isn’t legal nor approved.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:00 am

Boof02671 wrote:
No approved fixes. I don’t grasp why you don’t understand. The FAA will have a field day with UA.

Guess you didn’t read the FAA report where those are proposed fixes, not approved.

Guess you’ve never worked aircraft maintenance. You work off of a job card writing from an AD and EO.

So since there is no approved Boeing not FAA authorized fix. What ever they might be doing isn’t legal nor approved.


Yeah I’m sure that’s it :roll:
 
hagela
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:27 am

Boof02671 wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
There is no work to be completed, the FAA hasn’t approved any plan to fix the Max, no ADs have been issued, and as I said the comment period is still open. They can be performing routine maintenance, but no fix to the MCAS system has been approved.

“FAA Updates on Boeing 737 MAX8/3/2020
Boeing 737 MAX AD NPRM Now Available for Early Public Review
Today, the FAA sent a notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM) for a Boeing 737 MAX airworthiness directive (AD) (PDF) to the Office of the Federal Register for publication. The NPRM proposes mandating a number of design changes to address an identified unsafe condition. When the NPRM publishes in the Federal Register, a 45 day public comment period will begin. The FAA is posting the NPRM on its website today to enable the public to begin review early.
The FAA will also be placing the Preliminary Summary of the FAA’s Review of the Boeing 737 MAX (PDF) in the docket to assist with the review of the proposed AD.“

https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/?newsId=93206

Summary report

https://www.faa.gov/news/media/attachme ... ry-v-1.pdf



Yeah well United Airlines and MCO maintenance disagree with your expert analysis of maintenance operation. Still no mention of Boeing mechanics doing the work just a big shout out to MCO mechanics and pictures of them doing the work.

I’ll let this topic get back to AA fleets. Have a good one.

Apparently you don’t grasp how it works. No work can be done by anyone as there are NO ADs and no approved fixes. I don’t understand why you can’t comprehend you can’t fix a plane that had no approved procedures nor an AD.


https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing- ... 2019-9?amp


Boof,
While you're right there's no released AD, the NPRM does reference 3 Boeing Special Attention Service Bulletins.
An airline can accomplish those published and approved service bulletins voluntarily currently. When the AD is released, so long as the SBs haven't been revised, an airline could use the accomplishment of one or all of the SBs to comply with the AD.
 
OB1504
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:16 am

N649DL wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Would it kill AA to give us a bare metal USAir scheme and/or late 1990s USAIRWAYS Steve Wolf heritage jets as well? And if we really wanna get technical, they should add a Trump Shuttle livery too. ;-)


All the heritage liveries on the PM US side are on NB Airbusses, since they started them before the merger with AA. I don’t think they want to stray from that


Understood it’s also tied back to original registration numbers as well, but for instance Piedmont never operated the 319, TWA / AirCal / Reno Air never had 738 and are all current AA Heritage Schemes. They could easily do a Steve Wolf US scheme on an Airbus but a bare metal USAir early 1990s scheme could only be done on a 738 (Bare metal finish can’t be done on Airbuses)


IIRC they kept the US Airways predecessor heritage jets on LUS aircraft and the AA ones on LAA aircraft. I don’t think the registration numbers had anything to do with which aircraft were chosen; the LUS A319s were registered after the fact with suffixes to match their heritage schemes. For example, N745UW became N745VJ when it received the Allegheny scheme.

Granted, there’s nothing stopping them from breaking their own “rule” and using an LAA 737 for another US heritage jet. It would be fair to do another US heritage jet given that there are two AA heritage jets in the 1964 and 1967 liveries. Or they could take an LUS A319 and just use the standard gray base in lieu of bare metal.

Part of me is still hoping that when the TWA/Reno Air/AirCal 737s come due for repaint they’ll be redone with the correct white base. The gray looks awful in anything but bright sunlight.
 
USAirKid
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:28 am

Boof02671 wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
US never owned the Trump Shutle, they managed it for Citibank and once it was bought the name was changed. And a big he’ll no


I’m pretty sure that for a while US Air owned the shuttle jointly the banks who financed it. (Citibank was the lead of a syndicated loan to Trump Shuttle.) They had an option to buy the banks out and eventually did. Although AFAIK Shuttle Inc survived as a subsidiary of US Air/US Air Group for quite sometime.

Nope Trump defaulted, Citibank hired US to manage it, and had an option to buy it which they did after a specific time period. It was never owned jointly. I was working for US and was an IAM rep and after the Shuttle was merged their mechanics sued the IAM wanting their Eastern seniority.


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html


US’s history page shows that US Airways Group owned 40% of the shuttle with the banks owning another 60%. I haven’t had time to go look up 8Ks or 10Ks which would legally have to describe the transaction accurately
 
Boof02671
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:19 pm

USAirKid wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
USAirKid wrote:

I’m pretty sure that for a while US Air owned the shuttle jointly the banks who financed it. (Citibank was the lead of a syndicated loan to Trump Shuttle.) They had an option to buy the banks out and eventually did. Although AFAIK Shuttle Inc survived as a subsidiary of US Air/US Air Group for quite sometime.

Nope Trump defaulted, Citibank hired US to manage it, and had an option to buy it which they did after a specific time period. It was never owned jointly. I was working for US and was an IAM rep and after the Shuttle was merged their mechanics sued the IAM wanting their Eastern seniority.


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html


US’s history page shows that US Airways Group owned 40% of the shuttle with the banks owning another 60%. I haven’t had time to go look up 8Ks or 10Ks which would legally have to describe the transaction accurately

Did you even read your source?
If US owned 40% how did they buy the remaining 90% as your source states?

90%+40%=130%.

“ On November 19, 1997, US Airways purchased the remaining 90% of Shuttle, Inc. and continued to operate the US Airways Shuttle separately from the rest of the airline. Employees of the Shuttle also operated on a separate seniority list, since the company operated as a wholly owned subsidiary of US Airways Group.”
 
Boof02671
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:58 pm

From the 1997 10k:

“ 14. ACQUISITION OF SHUTTLE

On December 30, 1997, the Company purchased Shuttle for $189.8 million.
Shuttle, which operates under the trade name "US Airways Shuttle," provides
high-frequency service between New York, Boston and Washington. For
accounting purposes the acquisition was treated as a purchase and,
accordingly, Shuttle's results of operations for December 31, 1997 have
been included in the Company's Consolidated Statements of Operations for
1997. In addition, Shuttle's assets and liabilities were re-valued at fair
value as of the acquisition date. The Company's Consolidated Balance Sheets
as of December 31, 1997 include the assets and liabilities of Shuttle. The
purchase of Shuttle resulted in goodwill, as discussed in Note 1(f).

The impact of this acquisition was not material to the Company's
Consolidated Statements of Operations or its Consolidated Balance Sheets;
consequently, no pro forma information is presented.”

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... 000005.txt

And your source has no links to what is claimed.
 
USAirKid
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Re: AA 737’s still in bare metal scheme

Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:00 am

Boof02671 wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Nope Trump defaulted, Citibank hired US to manage it, and had an option to buy it which they did after a specific time period. It was never owned jointly. I was working for US and was an IAM rep and after the Shuttle was merged their mechanics sued the IAM wanting their Eastern seniority.


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html


US’s history page shows that US Airways Group owned 40% of the shuttle with the banks owning another 60%. I haven’t had time to go look up 8Ks or 10Ks which would legally have to describe the transaction accurately

Did you even read your source?
If US owned 40% how did they buy the remaining 90% as your source states?

90%+40%=130%.

“ On November 19, 1997, US Airways purchased the remaining 90% of Shuttle, Inc. and continued to operate the US Airways Shuttle separately from the rest of the airline. Employees of the Shuttle also operated on a separate seniority list, since the company operated as a wholly owned subsidiary of US Airways Group.”


Yes I did read the article or more accurately I skimmed it.

However, USAir approached the banks and successfully negotiated an extremely complex arrangement, where USAir Group (the holding company of USAir) would take over and assume 40% ownership and agreed to manage the shuttle operation for ten years.


I would've guessed that the 90% was a scrivener's error, people do sometimes mix up 6s and 9s.

I will say this: A little courtesy would be nice. Its fine picking apart the source that I used. It isn't fine or polite attacking me for my reading skills.
 
USAirKid
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:09 am

Boof02671 wrote:
From the 1997 10k:
On December 30, 1997, the Company purchased Shuttle for $189.8 million.
Shuttle, which operates under the trade name "US Airways Shuttle,"



Boof026171 wrote:
And your source has no links to what is claimed.


Fair enough. I did look at several other sources from the same time frame, and you are correct none of them mention a 60/40 ownership split. I'm curious where that incorrect information got started.

Sadly it doesn't seem like the 10Ks and 8Ks from 1990 to 1993 are available online, which is a shame since those would've most clearly described the transaction in question.

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