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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:54 am

AirLawyer wrote:
Which aircraft will replace the 752 in flights to South America?


DFW-LIM - 787-8
MIA-LIM - 3x A321ceo
MIA-BSB - A321ceo
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:58 am

Ishrion wrote:
AirLawyer wrote:
Which aircraft will replace the 752 in flights to South America?


DFW-LIM - 787-8
MIA-LIM - 3x A321ceo
MIA-BSB - A321ceo


I expect MIA-BSB to change to an A321neo at the very least. I think a 321ceo would really struggle on that route... it's 500+ miles further than even DFW-FAI.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:25 am

MIA-BSB with 321ceo it is impossible..

DFW-LIM with 787, I think is too much, but lets see...
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:28 am

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MIA-BSB with 321ceo it is impossible..

DFW-LIM with 787, I think is too much, but lets see...


Well it is 239 VS 190. 49 seats increase. But it could be a perfect way to utilise the aircraft when it is in between US-EU flights. Also it might be worth a while for the cargo capacity. I think DFW-LIM is longer than MIA-LIM but I could be wrong here.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:07 pm

Ishrion wrote:
deltaffindfw wrote:
atlflyer wrote:
Here’s a nice update on AA’s deliveries this year:
https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... lane-cost/

Good article about the fact of the deliveries but bad analysis. AA's 22 MAX aircraft MAY not be delivered because AA said it won't take delivery of any MAX until it is re-certified by the FAA. Um, no one is taking deliveries and Boeing isn't delivering the plane to anyone. That doesn't mean the 22 planes won't be taken at some time. Also, the A321XLR would have no bearing on the MAX - it's a 757/thin 767 replacement that Boeing doesn't even have an offering for.


Yeah... the articles are questionable... kinda weird syntax and grammar, such as "ideally suited to put on routes where American Airlines use Boeing 757s."
And technically Frontier was the first U.S. airline to order the XLR, not American as stated in the article.
Also:
"As the new aircraft arrives, American Airlines will retire, 11 Boeing 767s, and 20 Embraer E190s."

Surprise, they're already retired. At this point I guess I'm just pointing out everything...


I read in some thread here on a.net somebody saying "stop reading simpleflying" as apparently their writing is historically terrible and also inaccurate/garbage.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:21 pm

Ishrion wrote:
AirLawyer wrote:
Which aircraft will replace the 752 in flights to South America?


DFW-LIM - 787-8
MIA-LIM - 3x A321ceo
MIA-BSB - A321ceo


I have to believe they will upgrade all the SA stuff to the NEO. Just waiting for a tail delivery to do it?

I know LATAM is gone, but did AA have any JV restrictions to South America requiring lie flat seats like the transatlantic JV?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:56 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
AirLawyer wrote:
Which aircraft will replace the 752 in flights to South America?


DFW-LIM - 787-8
MIA-LIM - 3x A321ceo
MIA-BSB - A321ceo


I have to believe they will upgrade all the SA stuff to the NEO. Just waiting for a tail delivery to do it?

I know LATAM is gone, but did AA have any JV restrictions to South America requiring lie flat seats like the transatlantic JV?


Very doubtful. The 773, 772s, 763s and 75Ls that were used for SA had flat beds for Europe runs.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:50 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
deltaffindfw wrote:
Good article about the fact of the deliveries but bad analysis. AA's 22 MAX aircraft MAY not be delivered because AA said it won't take delivery of any MAX until it is re-certified by the FAA. Um, no one is taking deliveries and Boeing isn't delivering the plane to anyone. That doesn't mean the 22 planes won't be taken at some time. Also, the A321XLR would have no bearing on the MAX - it's a 757/thin 767 replacement that Boeing doesn't even have an offering for.


Yeah... the articles are questionable... kinda weird syntax and grammar, such as "ideally suited to put on routes where American Airlines use Boeing 757s."
And technically Frontier was the first U.S. airline to order the XLR, not American as stated in the article.
Also:
"As the new aircraft arrives, American Airlines will retire, 11 Boeing 767s, and 20 Embraer E190s."

Surprise, they're already retired. At this point I guess I'm just pointing out everything...


I read in some thread here on a.net somebody saying "stop reading simpleflying" as apparently their writing is historically terrible and also inaccurate/garbage.


I second that. Their news and analysis is kids masquerading as journalists and experts.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:59 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
AirLawyer wrote:
Which aircraft will replace the 752 in flights to South America?


DFW-LIM - 787-8
MIA-LIM - 3x A321ceo
MIA-BSB - A321ceo


I have to believe they will upgrade all the SA stuff to the NEO. Just waiting for a tail delivery to do it?

I know LATAM is gone, but did AA have any JV restrictions to South America requiring lie flat seats like the transatlantic JV?


No, because they had no JV to SA; they tried with LATAM but that of course is what got squashed by the Chileans and the rest is history.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:36 pm

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AirLawyer wrote:
Which aircraft will replace the 752 in flights to South America?


Ishrion gave some ideas. I think those are plausible. But it's possible that some routes won't be continued immediately following 757 retirements, irrespective of COVID demand drops. Like DL flying JNB-CPT-ATL with an A350 instead of JNB-ATL nonstop with a 77L, sometimes loss of specific capability means a route doesn't work financially or technically. IMHO it will be the same with DL 767 retirements: not everything is going to get up gauged to a 764 or 339. Bogota may present some challenges in the AA network due to elevation, for example.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:18 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Ishrion gave some ideas. I think those are plausible. But it's possible that some routes won't be continued immediately following 757 retirements, irrespective of COVID demand drops. Like DL flying JNB-CPT-ATL with an A350 instead of JNB-ATL nonstop with a 77L, sometimes loss of specific capability means a route doesn't work financially or technically. IMHO it will be the same with DL 767 retirements: not everything is going to get up gauged to a 764 or 339. Bogota may present some challenges in the AA network due to elevation, for example.


AA made MIA-BOG all-A319 a while ago, so I imagine the 757 retirement won't have any effect on that station. UIO is within A319 range as well, if there are any performance issues with 737s or 321s. MIA-BSB is the one to watch, I think, due to range considerations.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:25 pm

Another MAX movement, the third by my count. Today N350RV positioned ROW-TUL

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL ... /KROW/KTUL
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:14 pm

OK so what's with these MAX airplanes being moved from ROW to TUL?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:21 pm

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OK so what's with these MAX airplanes being moved from ROW to TUL?


Once the Max's are cleared for RTS , makes sense for AA to have all their Max's in TUL so the required
modifications can be done. IIRC, the bulk of AA's Max's have been stored in TUL since the grounding.

Maybe AA knows something we don't about a RTS date?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:32 pm

cathay747 wrote:
OK so what's with these MAX airplanes being moved from ROW to TUL?


I’m guessing this has to do with Oasis 2.0. Probably sending them to TUL to make the changes while there is downtime and to reposition them for RTS.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:29 pm

It would be stupid to not do Kodiak on all the MAX airplanes right now when they are grounded.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:35 pm

AAs next A321NEO, N418AN, is airborne from BFM to TUL on it's delivery flight. Flt# AAL9822.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:53 pm

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It would be stupid to not do Kodiak on all the MAX airplanes right now when they are grounded.


Kodiak still costs money.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:59 pm

Ah OK, thanks for the replies. But yeah, does AA know something that's not been publicly said about a RTS of the MAX? Interesting. And wouldn't those MAX's have been delivered with Oasis?
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:31 pm

With the Oasis seating, AA basically matched the layout and pitch of the MAX, both seat 172. It's possible that they will Kodiak the fleet before RTS but there are other tasks such as separating wiring bundles and checking and repairing engine nacelles for lightning strike protection and probably other smaller things that will have to be completed. Many of these tasks are probably simpler to accomplish at TUL inside a hangar than outside in the hot summer of ROW.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:58 pm

catdaddy63 wrote:
With the Oasis seating, AA basically matched the layout and pitch of the MAX, both seat 172. It's possible that they will Kodiak the fleet before RTS but there are other tasks such as separating wiring bundles and checking and repairing engine nacelles for lightning strike protection and probably other smaller things that will have to be completed. Many of these tasks are probably simpler to accomplish at TUL inside a hangar than outside in the hot summer of ROW.


Ah, OK, thanks.
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:22 pm

Recertification test flights on the Max begin today.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boei ... SKBN23Z040

These aircraft have been in storage for over a year. It’s time to green them up in preparation for RTS.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:49 pm

A21N N413AN scheduled to ferry XFW-BGR-PIT-TUL tomorrow for delivery and induction.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9822

A319 N821AW ferrying PIT-ATL for return to service.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/AA9791
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:49 pm

So what happened to N413AN, that caused cancellation of it's delivery flight today? And when is it to be rescheduled?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:38 pm

Lots of international routes cut:

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

With the apparent even lesser need for widebodies anytime soon, what does this do to the fleet? Seems likely they won't need to bring back the 332s, but with all the 78X planes they have still scheduled to come, might they even now be able to retire the old 772s? I guess my question is how many planes will they need to fly these routes? Assuming they keep taking deliveries, would they have enough to only fly 788/789/773?
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:20 pm

illinicmi wrote:
Lots of international routes cut:

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

With the apparent even lesser need for widebodies anytime soon, what does this do to the fleet? Seems likely they won't need to bring back the 332s, but with all the 78X planes they have still scheduled to come, might they even now be able to retire the old 772s? I guess my question is how many planes will they need to fly these routes? Assuming they keep taking deliveries, would they have enough to only fly 788/789/773?


There's no 78X coming.
 
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Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:22 pm

Swadian wrote:
illinicmi wrote:
Lots of international routes cut:

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

With the apparent even lesser need for widebodies anytime soon, what does this do to the fleet? Seems likely they won't need to bring back the 332s, but with all the 78X planes they have still scheduled to come, might they even now be able to retire the old 772s? I guess my question is how many planes will they need to fly these routes? Assuming they keep taking deliveries, would they have enough to only fly 788/789/773?


There's no 78X coming.

He means the -8 or -9. It was generic. There are 787s still on order.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:18 pm

Has AA taken delivery of anymore 788s this year? I believe 2 were delivered in April.
 
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:19 pm

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Has AA taken delivery of anymore 788s this year? I believe 2 were delivered in April.


No, N870AX and N871AY are the only ones that have been delivered. N872AN and N873BB are the next two.

N872AN is actually operating its first test flight right now: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... n#24eda0a7

Image of N872AN (not fully painted): https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/12 ... 8378940416
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:32 pm

What's up with this? http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

JetBlue and American will offer customers more options on Transcon service from New York to the West Coast. American’s popular three-class service on the Airbus A321T will join JetBlue with its Mint premium experience and thoughtful core seating.

The premium experience will also be expanded to the fleet. American intends to operate more dual-class regional aircraft featuring first class beginning next year, providing the premium experience customers in the Northeast prefer.


Is this referring to the new E-175s for DCA?
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:54 am

American's next 787-8, N872AN, has been painted and returned to PAE earlier today:

Image

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/12 ... 20/photo/1
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:48 am

During one of the town halls the VP of Inflight Service mentioned that 11 321 have been retrofitted so far and that the retrofitting continues and focuses on LUS birds. Could anyone confirm those numbers and if the retrofits are still happening?

Also, anything on if Kodiak for 737 is still going on?
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:50 am

Ishrion wrote:
American's next 787-8, N872AN, has been painted and returned to PAE earlier today:

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/12 ... 20/photo/1


Any words on the configurations? Still the dreaded 20J (19J in long haul)?
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:24 pm

chonetsao wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American's next 787-8, N872AN, has been painted and returned to PAE earlier today:

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/12 ... 20/photo/1


Any words on the configurations? Still the dreaded 20J (19J in long haul)?


Why 19J in long haul?
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:30 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American's next 787-8, N872AN, has been painted and returned to PAE earlier today:

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/12 ... 20/photo/1


Any words on the configurations? Still the dreaded 20J (19J in long haul)?


Why 19J in long haul?


Is one J seat reserved for pilot rest?
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:43 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American's next 787-8, N872AN, has been painted and returned to PAE earlier today:

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/12 ... 20/photo/1


Any words on the configurations? Still the dreaded 20J (19J in long haul)?


Why 19J in long haul?


Yes, in many long haul routes, 1 J seat is reserved for pilot rest. So only 19J seats for sale. Sorry I don't know the criteria when the J seat is reserved for pilot. But I am sure some of the AA old timers can tell you.
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:05 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:

Any words on the configurations? Still the dreaded 20J (19J in long haul)?


Why 19J in long haul?


Is one J seat reserved for pilot rest?


The 787 has crew bunks upstairs for the pilots and flight attendants. There is no blocking of seats.
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:23 pm

chonetsao wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American's next 787-8, N872AN, has been painted and returned to PAE earlier today:

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/12 ... 20/photo/1


Any words on the configurations? Still the dreaded 20J (19J in long haul)?


Why do AA 787-8 have only 20 J seats ? That is way too few, they need more as before when they had 28 J. Taking 8 J class seats out for Premium Economy was wrong, they should of course have Y + , but the seats needed to come from the Y cabins. Even AA 787-9 have among the lowest J class seat counts at 30 J class, they need 42 like Qantas.
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:35 pm

chonetsao wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:

Any words on the configurations? Still the dreaded 20J (19J in long haul)?


Why 19J in long haul?


Yes, in many long haul routes, 1 J seat is reserved for pilot rest. So only 19J seats for sale. Sorry I don't know the criteria when the J seat is reserved for pilot. But I am sure some of the AA old timers can tell you.


I heard the seat was typically 1D, but I was able to book that seat for a flight next year. I believe this is the 3rd 788 that has the updated J seats. I don't believe any of them have had revenue service yet.
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:39 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:

Why 19J in long haul?


Is one J seat reserved for pilot rest?


The 787 has crew bunks upstairs for the pilots and flight attendants. There is no blocking of seats.


Yes there are crew bunks. But from what I understand, there is one J seat reserved for pilot resting due to contractual obligations. I don't know the criteria as I mentioned before. However, the 788 is sold as a 19J flights among many AA routes.
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:39 pm

jfk777 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American's next 787-8, N872AN, has been painted and returned to PAE earlier today:

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/12 ... 20/photo/1


Any words on the configurations? Still the dreaded 20J (19J in long haul)?


Why do AA 787-8 have only 20 J seats ? That is way too few, they need more as before when they had 28 J. Taking 8 J class seats out for Premium Economy was wrong, they should of course have Y + , but the seats needed to come from the Y cabins. Even AA 787-9 have among the lowest J class seat counts at 30 J class, they need 42 like Qantas.


They "need more"? What are you basing this need off of? I think it's more a case of you feel like they should have more...
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:39 pm

jfk777 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American's next 787-8, N872AN, has been painted and returned to PAE earlier today:

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/12 ... 20/photo/1


Any words on the configurations? Still the dreaded 20J (19J in long haul)?


Why do AA 787-8 have only 20 J seats ? That is way too few, they need more as before when they had 28 J. Taking 8 J class seats out for Premium Economy was wrong, they should of course have Y + , but the seats needed to come from the Y cabins. Even AA 787-9 have among the lowest J class seat counts at 30 J class, they need 42 like Qantas.


It would seem that AA's revenue management team, or some such group, who have analytics to back-up the decision, disagree with your opinion. :roll:
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:06 pm

cathay747 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:

Any words on the configurations? Still the dreaded 20J (19J in long haul)?


Why do AA 787-8 have only 20 J seats ? That is way too few, they need more as before when they had 28 J. Taking 8 J class seats out for Premium Economy was wrong, they should of course have Y + , but the seats needed to come from the Y cabins. Even AA 787-9 have among the lowest J class seat counts at 30 J class, they need 42 like Qantas.


It would seem that AA's revenue management team, or some such group, who have analytics to back-up the decision, disagree with your opinion. :roll:



Will likely that is what sells and excess can be either given out as SWUs or possibly getting Y/PE paxs to upfare. But I doubt Revenue Management is going to put more J seats in to meet SWU demand.
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:12 pm

chonetsao wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:

Is one J seat reserved for pilot rest?


The 787 has crew bunks upstairs for the pilots and flight attendants. There is no blocking of seats.


Yes there are crew bunks. But from what I understand, there is one J seat reserved for pilot resting due to contractual obligations. I don't know the criteria as I mentioned before. However, the 788 is sold as a 19J flights among many AA routes.


No seat is blocked on the 787. They have a huge area upstairs where they can rest and sleep. Why would they need a tiny first class seat when they basically have their own bedroom up there?
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:05 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:

The 787 has crew bunks upstairs for the pilots and flight attendants. There is no blocking of seats.


Yes there are crew bunks. But from what I understand, there is one J seat reserved for pilot resting due to contractual obligations. I don't know the criteria as I mentioned before. However, the 788 is sold as a 19J flights among many AA routes.


No seat is blocked on the 787. They have a huge area upstairs where they can rest and sleep. Why would they need a tiny first class seat when they basically have their own bedroom up there?


The pilot bunks above deck have 2 bunks, but only one seat. On flights to Asia, or other long haul routes where there are 4 pilots, a seat in the business class cabin is needed for the second pilot on crew rest.
 
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Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:03 pm

NYCAAer wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:

Yes there are crew bunks. But from what I understand, there is one J seat reserved for pilot resting due to contractual obligations. I don't know the criteria as I mentioned before. However, the 788 is sold as a 19J flights among many AA routes.


No seat is blocked on the 787. They have a huge area upstairs where they can rest and sleep. Why would they need a tiny first class seat when they basically have their own bedroom up there?


The pilot bunks above deck have 2 bunks, but only one seat. On flights to Asia, or other long haul routes where there are 4 pilots, a seat in the business class cabin is needed for the second pilot on crew rest.


That doesn't make any sense...if there are 2 bunks, don't tell me AA was forced by some idiocy to have to block a J-seat so if BOTH pilots on rest break wanted to sit vs. lay down they can???
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Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:00 pm

cathay747 wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:

No seat is blocked on the 787. They have a huge area upstairs where they can rest and sleep. Why would they need a tiny first class seat when they basically have their own bedroom up there?


The pilot bunks above deck have 2 bunks, but only one seat. On flights to Asia, or other long haul routes where there are 4 pilots, a seat in the business class cabin is needed for the second pilot on crew rest.


That doesn't make any sense...if there are 2 bunks, don't tell me AA was forced by some idiocy to have to block a J-seat so if BOTH pilots on rest break wanted to sit vs. lay down they can???


It’s contractual with APA. The power of the union.

We do the same thing on the 772. The pilots have 2 bunks, but one J seat will be blocked off for them on flights with 3 pilots to Europe and South America, and 2 J seats blocked off for the pilots on flights to Asia.

It’s not an issue on the 77W, where there are 2 bunks and 2 seats for the pilots above deck.
 
NYCAAer
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:12 pm

NYCAAer wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:

The pilot bunks above deck have 2 bunks, but only one seat. On flights to Asia, or other long haul routes where there are 4 pilots, a seat in the business class cabin is needed for the second pilot on crew rest.


That doesn't make any sense...if there are 2 bunks, don't tell me AA was forced by some idiocy to have to block a J-seat so if BOTH pilots on rest break wanted to sit vs. lay down they can???


It’s contractual with APA. The power of the union.

We do the same thing on the 772. The pilots have 2 bunks, but one J seat will be blocked off for them on flights with 3 pilots to Europe and South America, and 2 J seats blocked off for the pilots on flights to Asia.

It’s not an issue on the 77W, where there are 2 bunks and 2 seats for the pilots above deck.


I should clarify that the pilot bunks on the 772 are on the main deck, and do not have any seats at all in their rest area.
 
chonetsao
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:28 pm

NYCAAer wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:

The pilot bunks above deck have 2 bunks, but only one seat. On flights to Asia, or other long haul routes where there are 4 pilots, a seat in the business class cabin is needed for the second pilot on crew rest.


That doesn't make any sense...if there are 2 bunks, don't tell me AA was forced by some idiocy to have to block a J-seat so if BOTH pilots on rest break wanted to sit vs. lay down they can???


It’s contractual with APA. The power of the union.

We do the same thing on the 772. The pilots have 2 bunks, but one J seat will be blocked off for them on flights with 3 pilots to Europe and South America, and 2 J seats blocked off for the pilots on flights to Asia.

It’s not an issue on the 77W, where there are 2 bunks and 2 seats for the pilots above deck.


Thank you NYCAAer, that is what I thought have happened thus I have mentioned it was contractual requirement. Your explanation fits in what I was told before.

It is 'idiocy' requirement as some others might believe, but that is what pilot union fought for. I believe on many EU-US flights where B788 operated, one J seat is always blocked. Thus it is always reflected in the system as 19J configuration.

The 19J configuration brings a lot of problems. AA complains they can not sell more seats, however, from what I have heard. 19J worked well for leisure heavy summer only routes. Yet, very often, the J seats got sold out weeks in advance (let us say average 2 weeks) and that renders AA's ability to sell last minute super expensive seats for business folks that needed to go to a secondary European city in last minute. Whereas UA and DL never had the problem as their aircraft is premium heavy compare to AA's B788 and A332. Some of the problem is that LAA always have more premium seats in their long haul flights and they know how to sell them. LUS folks never had the expertise to maximise the premium market. When the merger happened, the management was flooded with LUS people, thus the reason to remove 8J seats from B788 and make them 20J.

From a product point of view, it might have matched the demand to a certain degree, but it also restricted AA's pricing power in certain market, and seriously trashed yield. I would be disappointed to learn if AA had kept the new B788 in 20J configuration. LUS folks are great in management of bean counter. But LAA managers knows how to sell international premium seats. AA needs some of the LAA folks back.
 
CriticalPoint
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Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:42 pm

cathay747 wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:

No seat is blocked on the 787. They have a huge area upstairs where they can rest and sleep. Why would they need a tiny first class seat when they basically have their own bedroom up there?


The pilot bunks above deck have 2 bunks, but only one seat. On flights to Asia, or other long haul routes where there are 4 pilots, a seat in the business class cabin is needed for the second pilot on crew rest.


That doesn't make any sense...if there are 2 bunks, don't tell me AA was forced by some idiocy to have to block a J-seat so if BOTH pilots on rest break wanted to sit vs. lay down they can???


Glad to know how you feel about the ones that hold your safety in their hands.....Tell me have you ever had dinner in a bed that you can’t sit up in?

Hell imagine how many people we could fit on an airplane if we just put all the passengers on bunk beds like an aircraft carrier.....I’m sure people wouldn’t mind laying on their backs for a 17.5 hour flight

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