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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:46 pm

alasizon wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
alasizon wrote:
AA is adding once daily LIT service on an Envoy 175 eff 12/17 - 1/4.
Departs LIT 1540
Arrives PHX 1750
Departs PHX 1945
Arrives LIT 2320


WOW thats unexpected, I wonder with Envoy if there are other routes/destinations from PHX now?


For now, just LIT but you can bet that now that Envoy will have PHX as a regular airport in its Ops Spec that it will give AA some more flexibility in gauge and routings. Likely not more than 10 flights per day as that starts to be where MX and crew reliability issues come into play but it does open the door.

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Most people do not realized how much AA has added in PHX relative to its other hubs. This November, PHX has more seats than any other hub (domestically) behind DFW and Charlotte. Even including international, PHX just slips behind MIA but is still ahead of everything else. ORD, PHL, DCA, LAX, LGA, and MIA (domestically) are all below Phoenix.


The problem now gate space - PHX simply can't handle any more flights without adding another bank or more gates.


What about number of flights? Has this increased/decreased from pre covid? If not it shouldn't be a problem with adding additional flights.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:10 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
alasizon wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:

WOW thats unexpected, I wonder with Envoy if there are other routes/destinations from PHX now?


For now, just LIT but you can bet that now that Envoy will have PHX as a regular airport in its Ops Spec that it will give AA some more flexibility in gauge and routings. Likely not more than 10 flights per day as that starts to be where MX and crew reliability issues come into play but it does open the door.

MrPeanut wrote:
Most people do not realized how much AA has added in PHX relative to its other hubs. This November, PHX has more seats than any other hub (domestically) behind DFW and Charlotte. Even including international, PHX just slips behind MIA but is still ahead of everything else. ORD, PHL, DCA, LAX, LGA, and MIA (domestically) are all below Phoenix.


The problem now gate space - PHX simply can't handle any more flights without adding another bank or more gates.


What about number of flights? Has the changed increased/decreased from pre covid?


Pre-COVID, AA operated 12 banks per day. During COVID, AA went through the existing planned restructure to six banks plus the hub-hub.

Pre-COVID:
0500-0630 Hub-Hub
0700-0815 East to West
0830-0945 West to East
1000-1130 East to West
1230-1330 West to East
1345-1430 East to West
1530-1630 West to East
1645-1815 East to West
1845-1945 West to East
2000-2100 East to West
2130-2245 West to East
2300-0100 Red-Eyes

Current Structure:
0500-0700 Hub-Hub
0800-0930 East to West
0945-1045 West to East
1330-1430 Omni-Directional
1730-1845 East to West
1900-2000 West to East
2100-0100 Red-Eyes

Flight Count is down (~200 flights/day Dec2H 2020 versus 290 for Dec2H 2019) and 2020 is only operating the first five banks so without adding the sixth omni-directional bank (same time as the red-eyes), there is just not any more room.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:20 pm

Interesting that back in March the speculation was that PHX would be the first hub to go when AA cuts things down... As things have played out PHX has become possibly even more important since the level of traffic here has recovered quickly, but also remains one of the limited warm weather destinations people can vacation without any pre-test or quarantine requirements so seasonal outlook remains pretty bright as we head into the winter.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:17 pm

I'm not too surprised to see that PHX has recovered rather well. Unlike PHL/MIA which relies more on International traffic which is down, PHX doesn't really have to about that, especially since Mexico has become a hotspot for new routes recently. Plus, the Phoenix area still has some viability for leisure travel, something which most of the other AA hubs don't really have at the moment. I sort of expect PHX to hold the title of 3rd largest AA hub for a bit longer before inevitably being overtaken by ORD/PHL/MIA down the road. But the fact that PHX is running at about 70% of the usual schedule versus most other AA hubs besides CLT & DFW, which are below 50% of the normal schedule right now is very telling about PHX's future with AA. LAX is the hub that may be in more trouble than PHX, IMO, especially when you consider the fact that AA can easily just run codeshares with AS out of LAX now that they'll be joining OW.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:43 pm

Osubuckeyes wrote:
[...]but also remains one of the limited warm weather destinations people can vacation without any pre-test or quarantine requirements so seasonal outlook remains pretty bright as we head into the winter.


Shush. Phoenix is closed. Don't come. Go to Vegas. :rotfl:

How many planes is AA storing at PHX these days? I noticed the WN lineup seemed to grow recently, at least from what I can see when driving by on the 143.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:02 pm

chrisair wrote:
Osubuckeyes wrote:
[...]but also remains one of the limited warm weather destinations people can vacation without any pre-test or quarantine requirements so seasonal outlook remains pretty bright as we head into the winter.


Shush. Phoenix is closed. Don't come. Go to Vegas. :rotfl:


Yeah :rotfl: Not that we don't want the economic boost...tourists are fine, it's the months-long snowbirds that drive me up the wall...it wasn't too long ago that I realized that with the U.S./Canadian border still closed except for "essential" travel, we should have a bit lower number of snowbirds here this winter...I wonder if it will be noticeable i.e. road traffic.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:33 am

cathay747 wrote:
chrisair wrote:
Osubuckeyes wrote:
[...]but also remains one of the limited warm weather destinations people can vacation without any pre-test or quarantine requirements so seasonal outlook remains pretty bright as we head into the winter.


Shush. Phoenix is closed. Don't come. Go to Vegas. :rotfl:


Yeah :rotfl: Not that we don't want the economic boost...tourists are fine, it's the months-long snowbirds that drive me up the wall...it wasn't too long ago that I realized that with the U.S./Canadian border still closed except for "essential" travel, we should have a bit lower number of snowbirds here this winter...I wonder if it will be noticeable i.e. road traffic.



I live in the West Valley and the traffic is back to totally bad. Hoping to see all this pass!
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 03, 2020 4:55 am

chrisair wrote:
How many planes is AA storing at PHX these days? I noticed the WN lineup seemed to grow recently, at least from what I can see when driving by on the 143.


AA at any given time has about 5-7 Airbuses and 3-8 CRJs. WN is averaging 4-6 737s
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:34 pm

I posted in a different subforum, but no response so I'll try here... Sky Harbor's website has a small but cool photo of hot air balloons lined up on the runway for the 50th Anniversary celebration in 1985: https://www.skyharbor.com/about/Informa ... eeMemories

Does anyone have better/more photos of this event? Or know where to find?

Thanks!
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:39 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
alasizon wrote:
AA is adding once daily LIT service on an Envoy 175 eff 12/17 - 1/4.
Departs LIT 1540
Arrives PHX 1750
Departs PHX 1945
Arrives LIT 2320


WOW thats unexpected, I wonder with Envoy if there are other routes/destinations from PHX now?

LIT is a sizable E175 MX base for Envoy. I assume the crews would be DFW based and flow through LIT?
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Nov 04, 2020 3:04 am

jmc1975 wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
alasizon wrote:
AA is adding once daily LIT service on an Envoy 175 eff 12/17 - 1/4.
Departs LIT 1540
Arrives PHX 1750
Departs PHX 1945
Arrives LIT 2320


WOW thats unexpected, I wonder with Envoy if there are other routes/destinations from PHX now?

LIT is a sizable E175 MX base for Envoy. I assume the crews would be DFW based and flow through LIT?


Not sure where the crew comes from but it turns from the ORD-LIT flight so could be ORD or DFW based.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:23 pm

AE will start Saturday only PHX-CUL 03/06/21
https://www.transponder1200.com/america ... -culiacan/

I wonder what other potential PHX-Mexico routes are possible, maybe bring ACA back?
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:13 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
AE will start Saturday only PHX-CUL 03/06/21
https://www.transponder1200.com/america ... -culiacan/

I wonder what other potential PHX-Mexico routes are possible, maybe bring ACA back?


CUL is a curious route because Volaris already flies this route. Not sure why AA chose to enter a route that has a ULCC on it.

I don’t think ACA will be back anytime soon until the situation down there improves. I think two options could be PHX-BJX and PHX-CZM.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:27 pm

MrPeanut wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
AE will start Saturday only PHX-CUL 03/06/21
https://www.transponder1200.com/america ... -culiacan/

I wonder what other potential PHX-Mexico routes are possible, maybe bring ACA back?


CUL is a curious route because Volaris already flies this route. Not sure why AA chose to enter a route that has a ULCC on it.

I don’t think ACA will be back anytime soon until the situation down there improves. I think two options could be PHX-BJX and PHX-CZM.


I would think ACA and possible CZM (beach destinations) AA hasnt had much luck in the non beach market, CUU was pulled during the start of covid and MTY was around 10 years ago, didnt last long
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:34 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
AE will start Saturday only PHX-CUL 03/06/21
https://www.transponder1200.com/america ... -culiacan/

I wonder what other potential PHX-Mexico routes are possible, maybe bring ACA back?


I would say PHX-PPE, but I guess if nobody tried it yet it's for a reason.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:24 pm

It looks like BA is planning to bring the 35K to PHX for the summer season (28MAR to 29OCT) instead of the 77W.

What do you think is behind this switch? Sub to free up 77Ws for refurbs?

I never understood BA’s 35K strategy very well. Is it mostly a volume play?
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:30 pm

albertocsc wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
AE will start Saturday only PHX-CUL 03/06/21
https://www.transponder1200.com/america ... -culiacan/

I wonder what other potential PHX-Mexico routes are possible, maybe bring ACA back?


I would say PHX-PPE, but I guess if nobody tried it yet it's for a reason.


This was brought up before, however with it being driving distance I dont think its likely. However you never know
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:32 pm

AirStairs wrote:
It looks like BA is planning to bring the 35K to PHX for the summer season (28MAR to 29OCT) instead of the 77W.

What do you think is behind this switch? Sub to free up 77Ws for refurbs?

I never understood BA’s 35K strategy very well. Is it mostly a volume play?


I would consider this a downgrade, no longer offering First. I believe this would be the first time F is not offering on PHX-LHR.

Maybe this is also in preparation of AA not returning?
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:45 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
AirStairs wrote:
It looks like BA is planning to bring the 35K to PHX for the summer season (28MAR to 29OCT) instead of the 77W.

What do you think is behind this switch? Sub to free up 77Ws for refurbs?

I never understood BA’s 35K strategy very well. Is it mostly a volume play?


I would consider this a downgrade, no longer offering First. I believe this would be the first time F is not offering on PHX-LHR.


They stopped selling F for a while around 2014-16(?), since they couldn’t justify charging for the Y2K Kelly Hoppen F interiors they were sending. Other than that you’re probably right—and I’ve always heard that PHX had healthy F demand. But COVID changes everything.

Interesting to me that they go from 35K in the summer back to 789 in the winter, which is skewed even more premium. Would love to peek under the revenue management hood.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:03 pm

AirStairs wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
AirStairs wrote:
It looks like BA is planning to bring the 35K to PHX for the summer season (28MAR to 29OCT) instead of the 77W.

What do you think is behind this switch? Sub to free up 77Ws for refurbs?

I never understood BA’s 35K strategy very well. Is it mostly a volume play?


I would consider this a downgrade, no longer offering First. I believe this would be the first time F is not offering on PHX-LHR.


They stopped selling F for a while around 2014-16(?), since they couldn’t justify charging for the Y2K Kelly Hoppen F interiors they were sending. Other than that you’re probably right—and I’ve always heard that PHX had healthy F demand. But COVID changes everything.

Interesting to me that they go from 35K in the summer back to 789 in the winter, which is skewed even more premium. Would love to peek under the revenue management hood.


I forgot about 2014-2016, however wasnt that due to cabin refurb, that was also done for YVR, DEN and CPT i believe
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:37 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
MrPeanut wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
AE will start Saturday only PHX-CUL 03/06/21
https://www.transponder1200.com/america ... -culiacan/

I wonder what other potential PHX-Mexico routes are possible, maybe bring ACA back?


CUL is a curious route because Volaris already flies this route. Not sure why AA chose to enter a route that has a ULCC on it.

I don’t think ACA will be back anytime soon until the situation down there improves. I think two options could be PHX-BJX and PHX-CZM.


I would think ACA and possible CZM (beach destinations) AA hasnt had much luck in the non beach market, CUU was pulled during the start of covid and MTY was around 10 years ago, didnt last long


I would rather phrase it as AA has had limited luck in non-tourist Mexican destinations from PHX. It just so happens that the two non-tourist destinations that AA cancelled were in the interior of Mexico. However, BJS is a tourist heavy destination and thus the reason why I think it could work.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:40 pm

WN starting PHX-CUN March 11th
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:54 pm

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WN starting PHX-CUN March 11th


Cute. I've always been somewhat amazed that there's been enough traffic for AA to run this route, but now 2 carriers? How the hell many peeps in AZ want to fly there?
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:17 pm

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WN starting PHX-CUN March 11th


Cute. I've always been somewhat amazed that there's been enough traffic for AA to run this route, but now 2 carriers? How the hell many peeps in AZ want to fly there?


Really? I dont know the O&D but was always surprised about 1 daily flight, I would of thought 2-3 would work
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:20 pm

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WN starting PHX-CUN March 11th


Cute. I've always been somewhat amazed that there's been enough traffic for AA to run this route, but now 2 carriers? How the hell many peeps in AZ want to fly there?

It's the most popular tourist destination in Mexico for Americans, so I can't imagine it's a stretch to have twice daily from a city the size of Phoenix. Granted it's probably more popular for people from the east coast, but clearly there's a market if Southwest is going to bother trying. March 11th is just in time for spring break too, so the timing isn't an accident.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:05 pm

So, I live in east Mesa due north of Gateway and south of the 60 and I work from home.

Everyday it seems, I see army helicopters flying east or west down the 60. Sometimes it's a Blackhawk, sometimes it's a Chinook, sometimes it's multiples of both. Last night, for example, it was three Blackhawks. They usually fly out east earlier in the day and then come back west later on. Obviously they're flying to some place out east and then coming back from there, but I can't think of where that would be. Anyone know what these guys are doing? It's quite literally every day.
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:23 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
So, I live in east Mesa due north of Gateway and south of the 60 and I work from home.

Everyday it seems, I see army helicopters flying east or west down the 60. Sometimes it's a Blackhawk, sometimes it's a Chinook, sometimes it's multiples of both. Last night, for example, it was three Blackhawks. They usually fly out east earlier in the day and then come back west later on. Obviously they're flying to some place out east and then coming back from there, but I can't think of where that would be. Anyone know what these guys are doing? It's quite literally every day.


Perhaps they’re flying to/from that helicopter base at Papago. I see them occasionally out here in Arcadia.
 
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Thu Dec 10, 2020 10:03 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
So, I live in east Mesa due north of Gateway and south of the 60 and I work from home.

Everyday it seems, I see army helicopters flying east or west down the 60. Sometimes it's a Blackhawk, sometimes it's a Chinook, sometimes it's multiples of both. Last night, for example, it was three Blackhawks. They usually fly out east earlier in the day and then come back west later on. Obviously they're flying to some place out east and then coming back from there, but I can't think of where that would be. Anyone know what these guys are doing? It's quite literally every day.


Training and proficiency flights.

In addition to the MOAs they likely use, the Arizona Air National Guard still owns and uses an old landing strip off of Ocotillo and Schnepf Roads.

I believe all the Blackhawks are based at the Papago base at 52nd st and Mcdowell. Not sure about the Chinooks.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:06 am

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PhilMcCrackin wrote:
So, I live in east Mesa due north of Gateway and south of the 60 and I work from home.

Everyday it seems, I see army helicopters flying east or west down the 60. Sometimes it's a Blackhawk, sometimes it's a Chinook, sometimes it's multiples of both. Last night, for example, it was three Blackhawks. They usually fly out east earlier in the day and then come back west later on. Obviously they're flying to some place out east and then coming back from there, but I can't think of where that would be. Anyone know what these guys are doing? It's quite literally every day.


Training and proficiency flights.

In addition to the MOAs they likely use, the Arizona Air National Guard still owns and uses an old landing strip off of Ocotillo and Schnepf Roads.

I believe all the Blackhawks are based at the Papago base at 52nd st and Mcdowell. Not sure about the Chinooks.


Interesting.

Yeah, I figured they were coming out of Papago, my office is near and I drove past it every day going in pre-COVID. I wasn't aware of the airfield out here, but I see it on Google maps. Thanks.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:22 am

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
Maverick623 wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
So, I live in east Mesa due north of Gateway and south of the 60 and I work from home.

Everyday it seems, I see army helicopters flying east or west down the 60. Sometimes it's a Blackhawk, sometimes it's a Chinook, sometimes it's multiples of both. Last night, for example, it was three Blackhawks. They usually fly out east earlier in the day and then come back west later on. Obviously they're flying to some place out east and then coming back from there, but I can't think of where that would be. Anyone know what these guys are doing? It's quite literally every day.


Training and proficiency flights.

In addition to the MOAs they likely use, the Arizona Air National Guard still owns and uses an old landing strip off of Ocotillo and Schnepf Roads.

I believe all the Blackhawks are based at the Papago base at 52nd st and Mcdowell. Not sure about the Chinooks.


Interesting.

Yeah, I figured they were coming out of Papago, my office is near and I drove past it every day going in pre-COVID. I wasn't aware of the airfield out here, but I see it on Google maps. Thanks.

It's officially called Rittenhouse Army Heliport (AZ38), although its been disused for many decades for everything apart from helicopters. It was formerly an auxiliary to Williams Field, as was typical for many training bases during WWII. The field is obviously derelict, but fields like that make for good helo training. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rittenh ... y_Heliport

In my airspace here on the east coast, we regularly have VC-22s file for an airport that we provide approach control service, but cancel prior to the field to divert to a small nearby disused field similar to Rittenhouse. They can practice field insertions/extractions and landing on unimproved surfaces, among other things. These fields serve no practical purpose for anything other than military training on unimproved surfaces, and while they aren't used often, it's important training nonetheless.
 
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Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:32 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
So, I live in east Mesa due north of Gateway and south of the 60 and I work from home.

Everyday it seems, I see army helicopters flying east or west down the 60. Sometimes it's a Blackhawk, sometimes it's a Chinook, sometimes it's multiples of both. Last night, for example, it was three Blackhawks. They usually fly out east earlier in the day and then come back west later on. Obviously they're flying to some place out east and then coming back from there, but I can't think of where that would be. Anyone know what these guys are doing? It's quite literally every day.



I'm guessing the Chinooks come from Boeing, as it has an upgrade contract for the type. I'm sure some of the Apaches come from there as well.
 
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Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:49 pm

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WN starting PHX-CUN March 11th


Cute. I've always been somewhat amazed that there's been enough traffic for AA to run this route, but now 2 carriers? How the hell many peeps in AZ want to fly there?

It's the most popular tourist destination in Mexico for Americans, so I can't imagine it's a stretch to have twice daily from a city the size of Phoenix. Granted it's probably more popular for people from the east coast, but clearly there's a market if Southwest is going to bother trying. March 11th is just in time for spring break too, so the timing isn't an accident.


Didn't know that. We went there 3x in the last years we lived in the DC area, so yeah, I guess I just figured it more of an east-coast-destination
like the Carib. islands vs. AZ-origin. Clearly a much "broader" appeal!
 
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Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:39 pm

MO11 wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
So, I live in east Mesa due north of Gateway and south of the 60 and I work from home.

Everyday it seems, I see army helicopters flying east or west down the 60. Sometimes it's a Blackhawk, sometimes it's a Chinook, sometimes it's multiples of both. Last night, for example, it was three Blackhawks. They usually fly out east earlier in the day and then come back west later on. Obviously they're flying to some place out east and then coming back from there, but I can't think of where that would be. Anyone know what these guys are doing? It's quite literally every day.



I'm guessing the Chinooks come from Boeing, as it has an upgrade contract for the type. I'm sure some of the Apaches come from there as well.


Yeah, I think you're right. They just flew over again, this time a Chinook in formation with a friend, N157AE, which is ironically a civilian Airbus helicopter owned by Boeing. Tracked them back to Falcon. It looks like they were doing some sort of training at the aforementioned abandoned airfield in San Tan.

I've yet to see any Apaches with these guys though. I wonder if they're running some sort of check out after they work on them.
 
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Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:18 pm

While the topic of Boeing/helicopters is happening - does anybody know how often Apaches from Boeing Mesa fly ? I know thier is a Chinook that flies relatively often... but would like to get out there for Apaches at some point.
 
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Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:42 am

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While the topic of Boeing/helicopters is happening - does anybody know how often Apaches from Boeing Mesa fly ? I know thier is a Chinook that flies relatively often... but would like to get out there for Apaches at some point.

Granted I haven't lived there in a few years, but they used to fly pretty often, just somewhat irregularly. I don't know if it's dependent on how many contracts they have to fulfill or when they choose to test them or what, but I remember seeing them more frequently some months, less frequently in others. I remember a few years ago when they fulfilled a bulk order to the Saudis, and they had something like 20 or 30 parked on the ramp at IWA. That was pretty cool. I don't remember seeing more than a few at a time apart from that, unfortunately. They usually fly out on An-124s from IWA when they're going abroad, but they never seem to hang around long.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:55 am

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colemcandrew wrote:
While the topic of Boeing/helicopters is happening - does anybody know how often Apaches from Boeing Mesa fly ? I know thier is a Chinook that flies relatively often... but would like to get out there for Apaches at some point.

Granted I haven't lived there in a few years, but they used to fly pretty often, just somewhat irregularly. I don't know if it's dependent on how many contracts they have to fulfill or when they choose to test them or what, but I remember seeing them more frequently some months, less frequently in others. I remember a few years ago when they fulfilled a bulk order to the Saudis, and they had something like 20 or 30 parked on the ramp at IWA. That was pretty cool. I don't remember seeing more than a few at a time apart from that, unfortunately. They usually fly out on An-124s from IWA when they're going abroad, but they never seem to hang around long.


I see. Right now I believe the Qataris first batch of 12 has been delivered, but the have another batch of 12 that should go in the coming years. UK is stating to take delivery of 50 I believe, first C-17 was here a few weeks ago. US of course, Morocco i believe has 2 dozen along with the Netherlands and the UAE I believe should be getting some in the coming years.

I know from ADSB they have a chinook that seems to fly regularly. That would be a really cool catch but the Apaches would be just as awesome. Finding a location to photograph them is probably a whole new thing in of itself in the first place, but either way it would be great to see them flying knowing they should hopefully be under the foreign country/US paint.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:34 pm

per this weeks OAG update from enilria, YYZ is back on AA.

AA PHX-YYZ MAR 0>0.9[0] resumes March 4 - April 1
AA CUN-PHX JUN 1.0>1.9[0] JUL 1.0>2[0] AUG 1.0>1.5[0.7] double daily June 3 - August 16
AA LHR-PHX APR 1.0>0[1.0] Pushed to May 1st, not surprised
**AA LTO-PHX JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] Originally set to end in May now extended until August
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:46 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
per this weeks OAG update from enilria, YYZ is back on AA.

AA PHX-YYZ MAR 0>0.9[0] resumes March 4 - April 1
AA CUN-PHX JUN 1.0>1.9[0] JUL 1.0>2[0] AUG 1.0>1.5[0.7] double daily June 3 - August 16
AA LHR-PHX APR 1.0>0[1.0] Pushed to May 1st, not surprised
**AA LTO-PHX JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] Originally set to end in May now extended until August


YYZ is a daily 319, not too surprising since WS and AC have shown very minimal signs of resuming a normal operation in PHX. It consumes an entire aircraft each day and is better timed for YYZ POS than the last couple attempts.

LTO has definitely been the more popular of the two, interesting that it is only showing 3x weekly instead of the current 4x, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see AA continue to jump in to some other Mexico markets on the days LTO won't be operating.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:48 pm

alasizon wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
per this weeks OAG update from enilria, YYZ is back on AA.

AA PHX-YYZ MAR 0>0.9[0] resumes March 4 - April 1
AA CUN-PHX JUN 1.0>1.9[0] JUL 1.0>2[0] AUG 1.0>1.5[0.7] double daily June 3 - August 16
AA LHR-PHX APR 1.0>0[1.0] Pushed to May 1st, not surprised
**AA LTO-PHX JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] Originally set to end in May now extended until August


YYZ is a daily 319, not too surprising since WS and AC have shown very minimal signs of resuming a normal operation in PHX. It consumes an entire aircraft each day and is better timed for YYZ POS than the last couple attempts.

LTO has definitely been the more popular of the two, interesting that it is only showing 3x weekly instead of the current 4x, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see AA continue to jump in to some other Mexico markets on the days LTO won't be operating.


Additional Mexico routes would be interesting, outside of ACA I dont know what other beach destinations would work?

Unless they venture further south LIR, PTY or try MJB both Air Jamaica 1999-2001 and US Airways around 2010 flew PHX-MJB but never lasted more then 2-3 years each.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:06 pm

Southwest has begun the migration of the 7M8s back into the active fleet. As of yesterday 3 are on the ground in PHX. All of the 7M8s that were delivered prior to the grounding are coming thru PHX for the necessary upgrades before being released for training flights and MX re- familiarity. So spotters keep your eyes peeled on those flight plans mainly coming from VCV and PAE.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:04 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
alasizon wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
per this weeks OAG update from enilria, YYZ is back on AA.

AA PHX-YYZ MAR 0>0.9[0] resumes March 4 - April 1
AA CUN-PHX JUN 1.0>1.9[0] JUL 1.0>2[0] AUG 1.0>1.5[0.7] double daily June 3 - August 16
AA LHR-PHX APR 1.0>0[1.0] Pushed to May 1st, not surprised
**AA LTO-PHX JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0] Originally set to end in May now extended until August


YYZ is a daily 319, not too surprising since WS and AC have shown very minimal signs of resuming a normal operation in PHX. It consumes an entire aircraft each day and is better timed for YYZ POS than the last couple attempts.

LTO has definitely been the more popular of the two, interesting that it is only showing 3x weekly instead of the current 4x, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see AA continue to jump in to some other Mexico markets on the days LTO won't be operating.


Additional Mexico routes would be interesting, outside of ACA I dont know what other beach destinations would work?

Unless they venture further south LIR, PTY or try MJB both Air Jamaica 1999-2001 and US Airways around 2010 flew PHX-MJB but never lasted more then 2-3 years each.


I think it would be along the lines of ACA/TIJ/BJX/DGO if more cities were to be added. Personally I would like to see more service to ZIH and ZLO in particular as I think there is some more demand there for people who aren't 100% sold on the Mexican tourist traps that are SJD and PVR. GYM would always be an interesting re-addition but I don't see that being more than 1-2x weekly if that were to arise.
 
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Re: Phoenix Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:24 am

alasizon wrote:
YYZ is a daily 319, not too surprising since WS and AC have shown very minimal signs of resuming a normal operation in PHX. It consumes an entire aircraft each day and is better timed for YYZ POS than the last couple attempts.


I never understood running this route in the middle of the day. YYZ-PHX-YYZ should be timed to operate as a redeye eastbound. Opens up connection opportunities as well as pax don't lose two days of travel. I say two because one would have at the airport by 11am for 1pm departure to clear US Customs.
 
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