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1337Delta764 wrote:Continuing from the 2019 thread.
What seems to be a first for me for my Puerto Rico shipments to my family is that Amazon is shipping something via International Bridge from Phoenix. I wonder if Amazon Air will fly it to CVG to hand it to International Bridge, will it go by ground to CVG, or will Amazon hand it to International Bridge at LAX.
wjcandee wrote:1337Delta764 wrote:Continuing from the 2019 thread.
What seems to be a first for me for my Puerto Rico shipments to my family is that Amazon is shipping something via International Bridge from Phoenix. I wonder if Amazon Air will fly it to CVG to hand it to International Bridge, will it go by ground to CVG, or will Amazon hand it to International Bridge at LAX.
I would be curious to see the route. Let us know.
1337Delta764 wrote:As for the Puerto Rico package, there has still been no movement since yesterday, which is surprising. If Amazon is moving it by ground between Phoenix and CVG, I'm not sure why. Maybe the New Years holiday? Amazon says a January 6 delivery, although since in Puerto Rico that is an island holiday (Epiphany, which USPS observes there), it will probably be delivered on the 7th.
sunking737 wrote:I myself plan on following the addition of SY flying planes for Amazon with great interest. I hope to share what I can find out from folks I know there.
CALMSP wrote:sunking737 wrote:I myself plan on following the addition of SY flying planes for Amazon with great interest. I hope to share what I can find out from folks I know there.
Maybe we’ll get to see them at ORD with Amazon opening ORD mid-March/April.
wjcandee wrote:I don't know if Amazon uses SurePost for non-Prime shipments. That's a universe I haven't experienced for what seems like a decade. It does not use it for Prime. The SurePost service is actually pretty-reliable. But it's reliably a day more than UPS Ground, because UPS mails SurePost during the regular times that UPS Ground is out in that area. Whereas Amazon will get product to the DDU before 7am, and thus get delivery that day, UPS will get it there during the day, producing delivery the following day. So when Ground is already going to your house and there's a SurePost they can take, they save you a day by not dropping it at the Post Office. UPS also has a neat little trick that allows you to pay $4.99 per item, if you have a UPS account, to have the product delivered to your home by UPS rather than the USPS, saving a day.
WPvsMW wrote:A day late would be great. I have a SmartPost shipment (seller in MA) that was to be delivered "before Christmas (2019)"... still not here. 9 days overdue and counting. Fedex Ground didn't even make it to the hand-off in Chino CA by 24 Dec., much less to the DDU in Honolulu. What happens in Chino? USPS takes an item to its NDC in Bell CA (for the LA area), then by air to its SCF at HNL?
Spacepope wrote:Getting back onto the fleet topic:
Any news on the former DL frame stuck in PHX over Peak?
1337Delta764 wrote:WPvsMW wrote:A day late would be great. I have a SmartPost shipment (seller in MA) that was to be delivered "before Christmas (2019)"... still not here. 9 days overdue and counting. Fedex Ground didn't even make it to the hand-off in Chino CA by 24 Dec., much less to the DDU in Honolulu. What happens in Chino? USPS takes an item to its NDC in Bell CA (for the LA area), then by air to its SCF at HNL?
It goes on a cargo ship to Hawaii. Also, Hawaii is an exception to the SurePost rules, since UPS hands off the package to the USPS in the mainland for SurePost, which then the package will also go on a cargo ship. If you have UPS My Choice you can upgrade it to Ground and then UPS will fly it to Hawaii on a dedicated flight for UPS Ground packages.
wjcandee wrote:So I was completely wrong about 409AZ, the latest conversion, which I thought would be getting some work at ILN for a while. After some difficulty getting out of Phoenix on the 19th, 20th and 21st during Peak, it didn't fly for a week, until ATI finally brought it back to ILN on 12/28. After being worked on there for just six days, it's back in the air doing ILN-ONT turns.
wjcandee wrote:So I was completely wrong about 409AZ, the latest conversion, which I thought would be getting some work at ILN for a while. After some difficulty getting out of Phoenix on the 19th, 20th and 21st during Peak, it didn't fly for a week, until ATI finally brought it back to ILN on 12/28. After being worked on there for just six days, it's back in the air doing ILN-ONT turns.
WPvsMW wrote:Does AMZL use SurePost (UPS with last mile on USPS) at all? I presume not, since the Fedex analog (SmartPost) is notorious for late deliveries.
jetblueguy22 wrote:WPvsMW wrote:Does AMZL use SurePost (UPS with last mile on USPS) at all? I presume not, since the Fedex analog (SmartPost) is notorious for late deliveries.
Yes, believe just for non prime or limited quantity shipments though.
Spacepope wrote:wjcandee wrote:So I was completely wrong about 409AZ, the latest conversion, which I thought would be getting some work at ILN for a while. After some difficulty getting out of Phoenix on the 19th, 20th and 21st during Peak, it didn't fly for a week, until ATI finally brought it back to ILN on 12/28. After being worked on there for just six days, it's back in the air doing ILN-ONT turns.
Neat. I was watching it after Christmas and noticed it stuck in PHX then lost track of it. Interesting it was originally doing ONT out and backs before it went on its grand walkabout and got lost.
WPvsMW wrote:As far as the ATSG warrants, we'll know more by Feb. 2021, when the 5 year period expires... but ATSG common is currently at ~USD 25/share, and AMZ' warrants provide a right to buy at USD 9.73/share. I think AMZ will exercise all the ATSG warrants, but with no increase in AAWW unless Atlas resolves the issues with its pilots. I can see AMZ' logic in these purchase rights ... the operators' growth was fueled by the AMZL contracts, so AMZ want to share in that growth. Who could have predicted such divergent performance between the two operators?
Picking up on an earlier exchange we had about risk management, I wouldn't be surprised to see AMZL move some frames from Atlas to ATI.
wjcandee wrote:.... I agree that they're likely to lose more frames.
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I'm still not 100-percent certain on how the warrant arrangement works,
WPvsMW wrote:wjc, thanks for the reminder about the original 6 762s at ABX. I mistakenly thought that after the strike ABX's frames were now all DHL or ABX livery. Rather, it's that ABX isn't seeing (to date) any of the new frames in Amazon Air livery.
The big story in this season's Peak is that AMZL did it domestically without FX lift and with turmoil at Atlas and a strike at ABX (even though it was only one day, it was just before Thanksgiving, and AMZL had to be deep into contingency planning for Peak). A remarkable transition in a few months; quite an achievement by AMZL and ATI operations.
wjcandee wrote:Oooh. I didn't mean to suggest that there was an ABX strike this Peak. It was a couple of years ago. But yeah Amazon did a better job this year of delivering its own packages than FedEx or UPS did delivering packages generally.
Spacepope wrote:WPvsMW wrote:wjc, thanks for the reminder about the original 6 762s at ABX. I mistakenly thought that after the strike ABX's frames were now all DHL or ABX livery. Rather, it's that ABX isn't seeing (to date) any of the new frames in Amazon Air livery.
The big story in this season's Peak is that AMZL did it domestically without FX lift and with turmoil at Atlas and a strike at ABX (even though it was only one day, it was just before Thanksgiving, and AMZL had to be deep into contingency planning for Peak). A remarkable transition in a few months; quite an achievement by AMZL and ATI operations.
AFAIK, none of the 762s for either ABX or ATI are in prime livery, all are supposed to be in their respective house livery, and especially not in DHL schemes.
WPvsMW wrote:wjcandee wrote:Oooh. I didn't mean to suggest that there was an ABX strike this Peak. It was a couple of years ago. But yeah Amazon did a better job this year of delivering its own packages than FedEx or UPS did delivering packages generally.
My bad, the 2019 "protest" at ABX was in April. The 2016 strike at ABX was in November. The 2019 "protest" was unusual... Atlas, Southern, and ABX pilots, but not ATI, walking the picket line.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/l ... 439886002/
WPvsMW wrote:Spacepope wrote:WPvsMW wrote:wjc, thanks for the reminder about the original 6 762s at ABX. I mistakenly thought that after the strike ABX's frames were now all DHL or ABX livery. Rather, it's that ABX isn't seeing (to date) any of the new frames in Amazon Air livery.
The big story in this season's Peak is that AMZL did it domestically without FX lift and with turmoil at Atlas and a strike at ABX (even though it was only one day, it was just before Thanksgiving, and AMZL had to be deep into contingency planning for Peak). A remarkable transition in a few months; quite an achievement by AMZL and ATI operations.
AFAIK, none of the 762s for either ABX or ATI are in prime livery, all are supposed to be in their respective house livery, and especially not in DHL schemes.
This ...
https://aircargoworld.com/allposts/amaz ... ce-to-atl/
would be a frame dry-leased to AMZL and operated by ABX, but no ATSG-owned (CAM-owned???) but non-leased frames are in Amazon livery?
WPvsMW wrote:Spacepope wrote:WPvsMW wrote:wjc, thanks for the reminder about the original 6 762s at ABX. I mistakenly thought that after the strike ABX's frames were now all DHL or ABX livery. Rather, it's that ABX isn't seeing (to date) any of the new frames in Amazon Air livery.
The big story in this season's Peak is that AMZL did it domestically without FX lift and with turmoil at Atlas and a strike at ABX (even though it was only one day, it was just before Thanksgiving, and AMZL had to be deep into contingency planning for Peak). A remarkable transition in a few months; quite an achievement by AMZL and ATI operations.
AFAIK, none of the 762s for either ABX or ATI are in prime livery, all are supposed to be in their respective house livery, and especially not in DHL schemes.
This ...
https://aircargoworld.com/allposts/amaz ... ce-to-atl/
would be a frame dry-leased to AMZL and operated by ABX, but no ATSG-owned (CAM-owned???) but non-leased frames are in Amazon livery?
WPvsMW wrote:CAM can get repainting at cost (i'm guessing) from PEMCO, so there's less to depreciate ... but that really doesn't answer why paint a frame nearly out of cycles.
https://www.glassdoor.com/job-listing/t ... 3393730965
I think there are B777Fs in AMZL's conversion future. They don't need a tilt-nose, but they sure need volume.
wjcandee wrote:Oooh. I didn't mean to suggest that there was an ABX strike this Peak. It was a couple of years ago. But yeah Amazon did a better job this year of delivering its own packages than FedEx or UPS did delivering packages generally.