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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:19 am

USAirKid: Having a Jones Act ship for Amazon to use from the US to Hawaii is an interesting idea, but there's no way to get around how expensive they are. Delta actually chartered a Jones Act ship to bring oil (condensate) from TX/LA to Trainer in an effort just to get it there, because the railroads/public-transit folks limited how many oil trains they could run into Trainer per day from Nebraska. It was hard to make the economics work; a large multiple of the price of shipping on a non-Jones-Act ship, which of course they were legally-prohibited from using.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:42 am

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Planespotters.net showing N8011A as due for Sun Country and Amazon, aircraft arrived in PAE yesterday
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... cas/rq1v2y


That brings Sun Country to 12 737-800s for Amazon. Ten are in service, with two now in conformity at PAE, including 8011A.


The unanswered question to me is, how many more cargo planes will SY take on?? They have added 12 in less then 6 mo. A year from now will be interesting....
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:01 am

sunking737 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
bmibaby737 wrote:
Planespotters.net showing N8011A as due for Sun Country and Amazon, aircraft arrived in PAE yesterday
https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... cas/rq1v2y


That brings Sun Country to 12 737-800s for Amazon. Ten are in service, with two now in conformity at PAE, including 8011A.


The unanswered question to me is, how many more cargo planes will SY take on?? They have added 12 in less then 6 mo. A year from now will be interesting....

All things considered, I would guess they'll happily take ALL 737's Amazon throws at them. With pax business what it is, and no real improvement on the horizon, Amazon flying is a lifeline for them.
How many 737's will Amazon give them -- that's a very good question, indeed.
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:10 pm

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Do you happen to know why the first converted aircraft isn't flying now?


No clue. Maybe waiting for a critical mass to get started?


My guess is they are having more engineering done, as both are in Shannon, EI-DAD (N547CC) arrived 24 Sep and EI-DAC (N541CC) arrived 18 Oct. I am hoping we will see them enter service on the Amazon EU network soon, though I expect they'll just replace the existing -400F's.


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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:02 pm

flyguy1 wrote:
darloscott wrote:
wjcandee wrote:

No clue. Maybe waiting for a critical mass to get started?


My guess is they are having more engineering done, as both are in Shannon, EI-DAD (N547CC) arrived 24 Sep and EI-DAC (N541CC) arrived 18 Oct. I am hoping we will see them enter service on the Amazon EU network soon, though I expect they'll just replace the existing -400F's.


EI-DAD is on the move, flying SNN-CGN.


EI-DAD is now operating various flights throughout Amazons network today, good to see!
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:47 pm

N390AA will be off to TLV from ILN tomorrow (10/28/20) for conversion. That will be 8 in TLV for conversion, with at least two likely coming back in the next few weeks.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:23 am

Just picked up an interesting routing for ATI today. NKG-ANC-JFK. Wonder who this is flying for? Long route for a 767, these flights would usually be operated by a 747, 777, etc.
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:26 am

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Just picked up an interesting routing for ATI today. NKG-ANC-JFK. Wonder who this is flying for? Long route for a 767, these flights would usually be operated by a 747, 777, etc.


ATN206 NKG-ANC-JFK N376AN B763. Currently passing near Buffalo NY landing JFK in approx 45 minutes.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:34 am

FloridaMark wrote:
flyguy1 wrote:
Just picked up an interesting routing for ATI today. NKG-ANC-JFK. Wonder who this is flying for? Long route for a 767, these flights would usually be operated by a 747, 777, etc.


ATN206 NKG-ANC-JFK N376AN B763. Currently passing near Buffalo NY landing JFK in approx 45 minutes.


Reminds me of some of those Amazon PPE airlifts a few months ago.
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:51 am

A charter for Amazon. Heard it was a special shipment with a lot of lithium ion batteries, something of that sort.
 
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:18 am

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A charter for Amazon. Heard it was a special shipment with a lot of lithium ion batteries, something of that sort.


Thanks for the information!
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:22 am

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A charter for Amazon. Heard it was a special shipment with a lot of lithium ion batteries, something of that sort.


Yikes. An overwater flight filled with Lithium batteries is like the Hidenberg, no?
 
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:13 am

That charter used N376AN, an ATI spare that ATI often uses for military Pacific flights to Japan (OKO), and recently instead of a Combi, for some reason, from there into the Indian Ocean (Diego Garcia). The combi would stop at QPG on the way from Yokota to Diego Garcia, whereas the 763 can do it nonstop.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:33 am

Just to update as to where some of these being-converted CAM 767-300 tails are going:

Of N394AN, N544LA and N392AN, one is going to Cargojet and one is going to Northern Air Cargo (which would be number 4). Always interesting to see what livery Northern will apply. The third is likely for Amazon, although given that one has FADEC engines, it would have been suitable for UPS if they had wanted a sixth.

N742AX, a 767-200 lease return from West Air, is going to go to Astral Aviation, in Kenya. That's the "African" lease that they mentioned on the financial symposium Zoom call. With that lease, all the lease returns of 767-200s will have been given some maintenance TLC and leased out. Nothing sitting around. Frankly, Amerijet should have picked up N773AX or one of the ones that went to Raya, but they missed out.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:05 am

wjcandee wrote:
GoodRide wrote:
A charter for Amazon. Heard it was a special shipment with a lot of lithium ion batteries, something of that sort.


Yikes. An overwater flight filled with Lithium batteries is like the Hidenberg, no?


“Cargo aircraft only” lol
 
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:32 am

Phosphorus wrote:
sunking737 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:

That brings Sun Country to 12 737-800s for Amazon. Ten are in service, with two now in conformity at PAE, including 8011A.


The unanswered question to me is, how many more cargo planes will SY take on?? They have added 12 in less then 6 mo. A year from now will be interesting....

All things considered, I would guess they'll happily take ALL 737's Amazon throws at them. With pax business what it is, and no real improvement on the horizon, Amazon flying is a lifeline for them.
How many 737's will Amazon give them -- that's a very good question, indeed.


From wiki (so is it accurate?) they have 29 passenger, 1 charter, and now 12 cargo. Those 12 charter are keeping a lot of pilots working, which is quite good. Just imagine, as things pick back up, SY will be hiring when a lot of good pilots are looking. This has turned into a real win-win for SY and Amazon.
 
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:13 pm

CAM's N390AA is on its way to TLV for conversion, presumably for Amazon. It is flying nonstop ILN-TLV. Perhaps with the resurgent Covid mess in Europe despite travel restrictions, lockdowns and masks (scary), they didn't want to stop anywhere that wasn't absolutely-necessary.

Meanwhile, N742AX will be leaving ILN this afternoon for SAT, which is interesting/unusual. It has already spent 3 months in TPA and 2 months in ILN following its lease return from West Atlantic. Apparently it will be going to Astral Aviation in Kenya, so we'll see what the purpose of the SAT visit is.
 
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:40 pm

JayinKitsap wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
sunking737 wrote:

The unanswered question to me is, how many more cargo planes will SY take on?? They have added 12 in less then 6 mo. A year from now will be interesting....

All things considered, I would guess they'll happily take ALL 737's Amazon throws at them. With pax business what it is, and no real improvement on the horizon, Amazon flying is a lifeline for them.
How many 737's will Amazon give them -- that's a very good question, indeed.


From wiki (so is it accurate?) they have 29 passenger, 1 charter, and now 12 cargo. Those 12 charter are keeping a lot of pilots working, which is quite good. Just imagine, as things pick back up, SY will be hiring when a lot of good pilots are looking. This has turned into a real win-win for SY and Amazon.


SY is hiring right now. They brought in the classes that were canceled earlier this year and are working on additional classes.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:54 pm

nws2002 wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
All things considered, I would guess they'll happily take ALL 737's Amazon throws at them. With pax business what it is, and no real improvement on the horizon, Amazon flying is a lifeline for them.
How many 737's will Amazon give them -- that's a very good question, indeed.


From wiki (so is it accurate?) they have 29 passenger, 1 charter, and now 12 cargo. Those 12 charter are keeping a lot of pilots working, which is quite good. Just imagine, as things pick back up, SY will be hiring when a lot of good pilots are looking. This has turned into a real win-win for SY and Amazon.


SY is hiring right now. They brought in the classes that were canceled earlier this year and are working on additional classes.


No surprise there. They are up 12 planes from last year. I don't know the pilots to plane ratio?? 8?? 2 per crew 4 crews?? too low a number??
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:05 pm

wjcandee wrote:
CAM's N390AA is on its way to TLV for conversion, presumably for Amazon. It is flying nonstop ILN-TLV. Perhaps with the resurgent Covid mess in Europe despite travel restrictions, lockdowns and masks (scary), they didn't want to stop anywhere that wasn't absolutely-necessary.


On similar flights have they done it in two stages? There would be no reason to do it in two stages other than crew time - the aircraft is more than capable of that range with zero load. They'd need some form of relief crew, but presumably as a ferry flight they'd be operating under a more relaxed part of the FARs than normal commercial service, no?
 
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:55 pm

enplaned wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
CAM's N390AA is on its way to TLV for conversion, presumably for Amazon. It is flying nonstop ILN-TLV. Perhaps with the resurgent Covid mess in Europe despite travel restrictions, lockdowns and masks (scary), they didn't want to stop anywhere that wasn't absolutely-necessary.


On similar flights have they done it in two stages? There would be no reason to do it in two stages other than crew time - the aircraft is more than capable of that range with zero load. They'd need some form of relief crew, but presumably as a ferry flight they'd be operating under a more relaxed part of the FARs than normal commercial service, no?


That's of course a fair question. Answer: They routinely have stopped at SNN on the way there and on the way back. For a while since Covid, they went nonstop to TLV and sometimes nonstop back.

While the 763ER of course has the range, one other issue beyond paying extra crew is extra fuel. Fuel is a lot more expensive when you're burning more of it per hour to carry more of it. And maybe it's more fun to do it in stages. Who knows? Anyway, they used to stop going over and coming back. Then they didn't. Then they did. Now they're not, again.

ATSG is famous for being able to squeeze every drop of value from a nickel. That was how Airborne Express was: pay for stuff that improved safety/reliability, don't pay for stuff that you're just doing because everybody else does it that way. Led to a lot of innovative things they did (early adoption of flat-panel upgrades, CATIII approach capability and training, W&B "computers" (calculators) mounted right on the bulkhead to do the math as each container was loaded, etc.).

So if it's cheaper to make the stop, and there's no other reason not to, these guys are the kind that will make the stop.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:44 pm

The charter was used for medical and testing supplies. Not sure who the customer was, but important to note that it wasn't an Amazon aircraft that was used. ATI is using the 767 on the Yokota-Diego run because of cancelations of the combi operations due to Covid. No passenger operations and crews must quarantine the whole time they are on the island.

wjcandee wrote:
That charter used N376AN, an ATI spare that ATI often uses for military Pacific flights to Japan (OKO), and recently instead of a Combi, for some reason, from there into the Indian Ocean (Diego Garcia). The combi would stop at QPG on the way from Yokota to Diego Garcia, whereas the 763 can do it nonstop.
 
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:21 am

autopiloton wrote:
The charter was used for medical and testing supplies. Not sure who the customer was, but important to note that it wasn't an Amazon aircraft that was used. ATI is using the 767 on the Yokota-Diego run because of cancelations of the combi operations due to Covid. No passenger operations and crews must quarantine the whole time they are on the island.

wjcandee wrote:
That charter used N376AN, an ATI spare that ATI often uses for military Pacific flights to Japan (OKO), and recently instead of a Combi, for some reason, from there into the Indian Ocean (Diego Garcia). The combi would stop at QPG on the way from Yokota to Diego Garcia, whereas the 763 can do it nonstop.


Thanks for the info, Autopiloton! I was wondering why they cancelled the combi to Diego Garcia. They still use a combi to Thule, which I would think would also be someplace one doesn't want Covid to break out. I'm guessing it has more to do with the local government restrictions than anything else.
 
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:27 am

Crews are having to quarantine in all locations on the combi routes. Ascension Thule and Wake as well. Military is pretty strict with their Covid rules. Singapore is typical Singapore. Very restrictive.


wjcandee wrote:
autopiloton wrote:
The charter was used for medical and testing supplies. Not sure who the customer was, but important to note that it wasn't an Amazon aircraft that was used. ATI is using the 767 on the Yokota-Diego run because of cancelations of the combi operations due to Covid. No passenger operations and crews must quarantine the whole time they are on the island.

wjcandee wrote:
That charter used N376AN, an ATI spare that ATI often uses for military Pacific flights to Japan (OKO), and recently instead of a Combi, for some reason, from there into the Indian Ocean (Diego Garcia). The combi would stop at QPG on the way from Yokota to Diego Garcia, whereas the 763 can do it nonstop.


Thanks for the info, Autopiloton! I was wondering why they cancelled the combi to Diego Garcia. They still use a combi to Thule, which I would think would also be someplace one doesn't want Covid to break out. I'm guessing it has more to do with the local government restrictions than anything else.
 
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:44 am

Looks like tonight started the new routes out of the ILN night sort. Atlas is no longer doing ILN-ONT and ATI is no longer doing ILN-ORD. ATI did start ILN-AUS and ILN-BDL. ABX looks to have no changes to their routes. I also noticed a SunCountry JFK-LAX route. I believe that would be the first Amazon service into LAX. Sorry if I missed previous discussion on that.
 
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:30 pm

Jetran picked up N399AN from American yesterday. It also bought N347AN on the day it turned over N390AA to CAM.
 
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:34 pm

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Jetran picked up N399AN from American yesterday. It also bought N347AN on the day it turned over N390AA to CAM.

As of yesterday AA had nine owned retired 763s at ROW. Another interesting thing I saw was some of the 767s were leased to Jetran and CAM instead of being sold.
 
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Jetran picked up N399AN from American yesterday. It also bought N347AN on the day it turned over N390AA to CAM.


I have to rescind the first part...N399AN was purchased by Jetran two months ago.
 
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:34 pm

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MO11 wrote:
Jetran picked up N399AN from American yesterday. It also bought N347AN on the day it turned over N390AA to CAM.


I have to rescind the first part...N399AN was purchased by Jetran two months ago.


Cool. Either way, they own them now.

What's this about leasing rather than purchasing? I would think that CAM would want to own, so as to get the writeoffs that come from ownership, particularly before accelerated depreciation disappears.
 
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:45 pm

ATI B752 - N751CX usually does Thule run from BWI, usually back on Saturday. N752CX is backup. Both based ILN.
 
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:55 pm

wjcandee wrote:
MO11 wrote:
MO11 wrote:
Jetran picked up N399AN from American yesterday. It also bought N347AN on the day it turned over N390AA to CAM.


I have to rescind the first part...N399AN was purchased by Jetran two months ago.


Cool. Either way, they own them now.

What's this about leasing rather than purchasing? I would think that CAM would want to own, so as to get the writeoffs that come from ownership, particularly before accelerated depreciation disappears.

Usually our normal sources would pick something up like this quick. I'd wait for verification.
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:57 pm

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ATI B752 - N751CX usually does Thule run from BWI, usually back on Saturday. N752CX is backup. Both based ILN.


Correct. They have 751CX (a Precision combi converted by ATI, the first of a then-planned order of several), and 752CX, 753CX, 754CX (all Pemco combis converted by Pemco for National Airlines and purchased by ATI from National when the DOD kept the Combi contract with ATI; there is no real other use for Combis in the US, so National sold its 3 completed 757-combi conversions to ATI and ATI cancelled its Precision order).

As a general practice, 751 and 752 do the Atlantic/Eastern stuff, and 753 and 754 do the Pacific/Asia stuff, but it's not some kind of hard-and-fast rule.

For a while recently, when DHL was pressed for freighters while some were in maintenance, they used just the cargo part of 752CX to do some runs for a week or two out of CVG. Texas and such. Used that way, it's basically the capacity of a 727.
 
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:00 pm

wjcandee wrote:
MO11 wrote:
MO11 wrote:
Jetran picked up N399AN from American yesterday. It also bought N347AN on the day it turned over N390AA to CAM.


I have to rescind the first part...N399AN was purchased by Jetran two months ago.


Cool. Either way, they own them now.

What's this about leasing rather than purchasing? I would think that CAM would want to own, so as to get the writeoffs that come from ownership, particularly before accelerated depreciation disappears.

According to Airfleets several of the 763s are leased to them from AA.

360AA, 388AA, 390AA, 393AN, 399AN,and 344AN
 
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:51 pm

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Looks like tonight started the new routes out of the ILN night sort. Atlas is no longer doing ILN-ONT and ATI is no longer doing ILN-ORD. ATI did start ILN-AUS and ILN-BDL. ABX looks to have no changes to their routes. I also noticed a SunCountry JFK-LAX route. I believe that would be the first Amazon service into LAX. Sorry if I missed previous discussion on that.


Aircraft is now heading back to JFK, from LAX. Perhaps a new route indeed.
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:36 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
MO11 wrote:

I have to rescind the first part...N399AN was purchased by Jetran two months ago.


Cool. Either way, they own them now.

What's this about leasing rather than purchasing? I would think that CAM would want to own, so as to get the writeoffs that come from ownership, particularly before accelerated depreciation disappears.

According to Airfleets several of the 763s are leased to them from AA.

360AA, 388AA, 390AA, 393AN, 399AN,and 344AN


Airfleets is incorrect. Jetran buys the airplane, then typically mortgages it (which is what happened to 399 yesterday). CAM buys it from Jetran at a later time.

Jetran has also been a buyer of the ERJ 190s.
 
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:50 pm

N544LA did an air test today, in an all white scheme, should be doing another one tomorrow together with N392AN. I have a feeling 544 will also go to CagoJet (only CJT paint their aircraft like this in TLV prior delivery), we shall see.
 
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:38 pm

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Meanwhile, N742AX will be leaving ILN this afternoon for SAT, which is interesting/unusual. It has already spent 3 months in TPA and 2 months in ILN following its lease return from West Atlantic. Apparently it will be going to Astral Aviation in Kenya, so we'll see what the purpose of the SAT visit is.


Overnight stop, continued to Roswell for paint.
 
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:31 pm

MO11 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Meanwhile, N742AX will be leaving ILN this afternoon for SAT, which is interesting/unusual. It has already spent 3 months in TPA and 2 months in ILN following its lease return from West Atlantic. Apparently it will be going to Astral Aviation in Kenya, so we'll see what the purpose of the SAT visit is.


Overnight stop, continued to Roswell for paint.


Cool. I like the Astral livery. It's simple but bold. It will be interesting to see how it looks on the 767-200.
 
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:24 pm

Amazon accepted delivery of N201RH yesterday.
 
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:59 pm

And 8059A's first revenue flight was today (10/30/20). 738 operated by Sun Country. Formerly 216RH.
 
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:07 pm

What was routing?
 
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:50 pm

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What was routing?


MSP-CVG https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N8059A
 
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Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:52 pm

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N544LA did an air test today, in an all white scheme, should be doing another one tomorrow together with N392AN. I have a feeling 544 will also go to CagoJet (only CJT paint their aircraft like this in TLV prior delivery), we shall see.


And indeed both test flights took place today (10/30/20).

Interesting that N392AN is nearly-finished, even though it arrived in TLV two months after N394AN, which has yet to have a test flight. 392 has been there 5 months, while 394 has been there 7.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:10 pm

I can't keep up with the LAL/TPA routes, but seems like TPA picked back up some additional flights. Not sure if new and supplements LAL or came back from LAL.
 
Boof02671
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:10 pm

It be cool to see pics of them in the conversion process at IAI.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:02 pm

Thanks wjcandee. Cheers!
 
Delta28L
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:12 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
I can't keep up with the LAL/TPA routes, but seems like TPA picked back up some additional flights. Not sure if new and supplements LAL or came back from LAL.


They could be helping for the ramp up for peak season till LAL can be fully staffed
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:00 am

Interesting to note that SunCountry is now operating in and out of ILN. I believe that is the first 737 operating in ILN. They took over the ONT-AUS-ILN-ONT run from Atlas.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:37 pm

Noticed that ATI did a ILN-ABE flight this afternoon. First time I noticed a afternoon flight from ILN to another destination.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:36 am

Delta28L wrote:
Noticed that ATI did a ILN-ABE flight this afternoon. First time I noticed a afternoon flight from ILN to another destination.


ILN and TPA are two locations where ATSG has its AMES maintenance shops. Given the flight number, I'm guessing its a positioning flight, or possibly a one-off for Amazon.

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