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wjcandee My friends think I'm bad with the airline I track. Good Lord man, I bow to superiority in your knowledge of the Amazon Fleet..


Thanks!! :blush: I'm humbled.
 
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:04 pm

Does anyone have any insights on the upcoming 737 freighters that'll be operated by Sun Country? I know their operation is supposed to start in Q2, but would be interested to know if anyone has an idea on registrations and what their startup plans are - should we expect the new aircraft to get delivered via MSP, or RFD, as their new passenger aircraft do?
 
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CAM can get repainting at cost (i'm guessing) from PEMCO, so there's less to depreciate ... but that really doesn't answer why paint a frame nearly out of cycles.
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I think there are B777Fs in AMZL's conversion future. They don't need a tilt-nose, but they sure need volume.


....and now with Omni Air acquisition, ATSG has 777's on the certificate......
 
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:33 pm

True, but those B777s are all-Y pax config (plenty of belly, but if chartered, the customer owns the belly for the charter).
https://www.oai.aero/fleet?plane=B777-200ER
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Interesting ... an AMT on every flight. I wonder if they can put tundra tires on those triple bogeys.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:56 am

N737KT is in full DHL paint, and just arrived at OPF from paint at LCQ today; nose gear door says it's being operated by Swift LLC.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:01 pm

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N737KT is in full DHL paint, and just arrived at OPF from paint at LCQ today; nose gear door says it's being operated by Swift LLC.

Any idea which routes it will be on? Nice to have another full yellow livery instead of the half-and-half scheme that has been more common recently.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:50 pm

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N737KT is in full DHL paint, and just arrived at OPF from paint at LCQ today; nose gear door says it's being operated by Swift LLC.


It looks great! Interesting that it didn't go to K2 or to Southern, both of which already operate 737s for DHL.

There were rumours about Swift potentially operating 738Fs for Amazon, which didn't come to pass; I guess they grew out of what ultimately was this transaction. Right aircraft. Wrong customer.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:01 pm

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There were rumours about Swift potentially operating 738Fs for Amazon, which didn't come to pass; I guess they grew out of what ultimately was this transaction. Right aircraft. Wrong customer.


The Swift / iAero pilot recruiting group on Facebook mentioned a pair of 734F aircraft were coming for DHL back in November; wonder if that’s still in the works, or if they’ll be getting a pair of these, or what?

Sniffing around a bit up here in the Twin Cities, I heard Sun Country expects their first 738F for Amazon in April.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:58 pm

Looks like N394UP is in the final steps before being delivered.

What's weird to me is that I assumed that the other ex-ANA Cargo 763 that CAM acquired would also be going promptly to UPS. However, it hasn't even been bridged yet.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:54 pm

wjcandee wrote:
ottergoose wrote:
N737KT is in full DHL paint, and just arrived at OPF from paint at LCQ today; nose gear door says it's being operated by Swift LLC.


It looks great! Interesting that it didn't go to K2 or to Southern, both of which already operate 737s for DHL.

There were rumours about Swift potentially operating 738Fs for Amazon, which didn't come to pass; I guess they grew out of what ultimately was this transaction. Right aircraft. Wrong customer.


Also N916SC.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:34 pm

MO11 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
ottergoose wrote:
N737KT is in full DHL paint, and just arrived at OPF from paint at LCQ today; nose gear door says it's being operated by Swift LLC.


It looks great! Interesting that it didn't go to K2 or to Southern, both of which already operate 737s for DHL.

There were rumours about Swift potentially operating 738Fs for Amazon, which didn't come to pass; I guess they grew out of what ultimately was this transaction. Right aircraft. Wrong customer.


Also N916SC.


Thought that was having trouble getting certified...

So you're saying that Spectre is leasing it to DHL and it will be operated, too, by Swift?
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:59 pm

wjcandee wrote:
MO11 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:

It looks great! Interesting that it didn't go to K2 or to Southern, both of which already operate 737s for DHL.

There were rumours about Swift potentially operating 738Fs for Amazon, which didn't come to pass; I guess they grew out of what ultimately was this transaction. Right aircraft. Wrong customer.


Also N916SC.


So you're saying that Spectre is leasing it to DHL and it will be operated, too, by Swift?


... appears that way, I think. N916SC has been in LCQ, where the other aircraft was painted in DHL colors, since December 16.
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:51 pm

Long time to paint a 737. Must be doing other stuff too.
 
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Oddly, Spectre has a press release on their website from several months ago in which they talked about a 757 lease to swiftair of Europe and show a picture of an Eastern livery Swift passenger plane. Doesn't bode well for their team's general knowledge. :-)
 
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Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:05 am

wjcandee wrote:
MO11 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:

It looks great! Interesting that it didn't go to K2 or to Southern, both of which already operate 737s for DHL.

There were rumours about Swift potentially operating 738Fs for Amazon, which didn't come to pass; I guess they grew out of what ultimately was this transaction. Right aircraft. Wrong customer.


Also N916SC.


Thought that was having trouble getting certified...

So you're saying that Spectre is leasing it to DHL and it will be operated, too, by Swift?


Both were sold by Spectre to DHL Aviation (Americas) last month. No paperwork yet for the CMI agreement.
 
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Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:46 am

Amazon has lifted the ban on 3rd party sellers using FedEx Ground for Prime shipments that they ship themselves (a small part of the business).

Suprisingly-stupid commentary in the media, which still viewed the ban as some kind of half-assed effort to "punish" FedEx by Amazon. Obviously, if you're in a "war" with FedEx, you don't ban just Ground, you don't say that you'll restore Ground as an option when its service level improves and then do exactly that, you don't permit people to use Ground as long as they don't call it Prime, and you don't let people call it Prime but ship by FedEx Express, which was performing well in Peak.

The media and the dopey waste so much ink trying to gin up some kind of war between two companies which simply couldn't reach terms for renewal of a contract. I also saw the word "antitrust" thrown around -- as if any of the commentators had the slightest clue what that meant.
 
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Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:31 am

When will AMZL open negotiations with BCA for a bespoke VLA freighter that is unlikely to cube out TPAC and to S.Africa? (37% serious post)
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:14 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Looks like N394UP is in the final steps before being delivered.

What's weird to me is that I assumed that the other ex-ANA Cargo 763 that CAM acquired would also be going promptly to UPS. However, it hasn't even been bridged yet.

Should see N394 flying sometime today
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:44 pm

jetblueguy22 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Looks like N394UP is in the final steps before being delivered.

What's weird to me is that I assumed that the other ex-ANA Cargo 763 that CAM acquired would also be going promptly to UPS. However, it hasn't even been bridged yet.

Should see N394 flying sometime today


Cool. I wasn't sure whether it was 394UP or 362UP that was gonna depart ILN today. Looks like you're right, it's 394, which will be delivered today to SDF.

So one more to go. If the next one is the former (current) JA8362, I'm intrigued that it hasn't completed bridging yet. If, instead, it's N304CM (next to leave TLV), then it makes more sense that they're not rushing JA8362.
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:48 pm

(Speculation about) Why the delays with JA8362? Structural problem? The engines aren't Trents or GTFs, avionics are plug and play.... ergo, structural problem?
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:17 pm

Might not be a priority yet. Wilmington is buried in work, much of it profitable contract work for outside airlines. They didn't seem to have much trouble bridging the other one, but each foreign aircraft's maintenance records are unique to that aircraft, and maybe something was missing. On the other hand, it may have been due for a very heavy check, and that's what they're in the process of doing. Could be a million reasons. And UPS may not be expecting it immediately. Or, as you suggest, it could mean something.
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:57 pm

wjcandee wrote:
jetblueguy22 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Looks like N394UP is in the final steps before being delivered.

What's weird to me is that I assumed that the other ex-ANA Cargo 763 that CAM acquired would also be going promptly to UPS. However, it hasn't even been bridged yet.

Should see N394 flying sometime today


Cool. I wasn't sure whether it was 394UP or 362UP that was gonna depart ILN today. Looks like you're right, it's 394, which will be delivered today to SDF.

So one more to go. If the next one is the former (current) JA8362, I'm intrigued that it hasn't completed bridging yet. If, instead, it's N304CM (next to leave TLV), then it makes more sense that they're not rushing JA8362.

N362 shouldn’t be too far behind
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Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:45 am

N384AA is planed into TLV tomorrow evening, N304CM, is already completed and should be out on a test flight anyday now (after N431CJ is delivered probably)
 
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Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:57 pm

It seems like Amazon has been repurposing some of its existing FCs. I think ONT6 in Moreno Valley might now be 100% clothing/footwear, since it has been a while since I had a non-clothing shipment from there (I read it was 30% clothing/footwear when it first opened). At the same time, clothing/footwear has been added to other existing fulfillment centers; I have had two shirts shipped from ONT2 in San Bernardino, CA, and a fleece sweatshirt shipped from LGB3 in Eastvale, CA, although I wonder if these were just handling overflow from ONT6 (the ones shipped from ONT2 happened ahead of Prime Day, and the one shipped from LGB3 happened during the holiday season).
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:49 pm

Not really related to the fleet, but Amazon's subcontractor is laying of 1600 at Prime's BWI facility as Amazon shifts to more in-house employees

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon- ... ers-2020-1
 
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:18 pm

More information on Bremerton Port, (also the airport), a 30 acre site with 117K sq ft facility, the same size as many Amazon Delivery Stations. Lots of parking spaces for vans and trucks. Kitsap Sun is reporting, but material is behind their hard and high wall, not everyday wall, subscribers only.
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:30 pm

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Not really related to the fleet, but Amazon's subcontractor is laying of 1600 at Prime's BWI facility as Amazon shifts to more in-house employees

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon- ... ers-2020-1


Yeah, it's not like this is some kind of mass-unemployment. Amazon is taking the RFD and BWI facility operations in-house, and will likely hire all but the most-marginal of those 1600 workers. Amazon-operated warehouse facility workers tend to be much-more-diverse (in terms of gender, LGBTQ, national origin, etc.) than almost any other operator, because Amazon's system is blind to anything other than performance, and so the common-denominator is people who enjoy working. Possibly some of the existing workers won't like the new environment, or maybe all will.

The operation had been run by Pinnacle Logistics. I don't recall whether ATSG subsidiary LOGSTX had subcontracted that work to Pinnacle or whether Amazon hired them directly; I think, at least originally, that it was the former. Now that Amazon is establishing its own organic sort and load operations at stations like AFW, the expanding stations like BWI and RFD, which have seen enormous growth, are coming in-house too. CVG at the new facility will be operated in-house, of course; the lease of the DHL facility used DHL employees. The ILN sort is operated by Amazon, one benefit/purpose of which is that it can learn lessons from operating and tweaking its own sort that can be applied when it opens up on a much-larger scale in CVG.
 
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:40 pm

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N384AA is planed into TLV tomorrow evening, N304CM, is already completed and should be out on a test flight anyday now (after N431CJ is delivered probably)


As has become typical with these from-the-desert movements, there have been a couple of departures planned and then cancelled. They planned for the 17th out of ROW, then on the 19th, but it's still at ROW for now. It's not like the exact arrival date is hyper-critical, but it should get moving soon. Meanwhile, N431CJ did a test flight today (1/20/20), and so should be out the door at TLV pretty-soon.
 
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:47 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
More information on Bremerton Port, (also the airport), a 30 acre site with 117K sq ft facility, the same size as many Amazon Delivery Stations. Lots of parking spaces for vans and trucks. Kitsap Sun is reporting, but material is behind their hard and high wall, not everyday wall, subscribers only.


Well, Bremerton made a big pitch for becoming an Amazon HQ location, aggressively-seeking the opportunity and showing a community desire to work with Amazon. A lot of communities that did that ended up being considered by Amazon for other facilities, and it looks like that's what has happened here. Of course, when an article is based entirely on some "expert" saying that something is "definitely Amazon", rather than anything more, I'm always a bit suspicious. The media typically gets everything wrong about what Amazon Logistics is doing, for some reason. Must be something to do with how they evaluate information.
 
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:35 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Amazon-operated warehouse facility workers tend to be much-more-diverse (in terms of gender, LGBTQ, national origin, etc.) than almost any other operator, because Amazon's system is blind to anything other than performance, and so the common-denominator is people who enjoy working.


If it's Monday, it must be Amazon-speak euphemism day. "People who enjoy working"....that's a good one. :lol:
 
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:57 pm

wjcandee wrote:
yochai wrote:
N384AA is planed into TLV tomorrow evening, N304CM, is already completed and should be out on a test flight anyday now (after N431CJ is delivered probably)


As has become typical with these from-the-desert movements, there have been a couple of departures planned and then cancelled. They planned for the 17th out of ROW, then on the 19th, but it's still at ROW for now. It's not like the exact arrival date is hyper-critical, but it should get moving soon. Meanwhile, N431CJ did a test flight today (1/20/20), and so should be out the door at TLV pretty-soon.


N384AA now planned for Sunday 1/26 via SNN
 
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:32 am

Thanks for the update, Yochai!
 
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:38 am

Looks like Amazon will be opening a new FC in Albuquerque:
https://mobile.twitter.com/DiaDeLobos/s ... 1658209280

It will be located in the Sunport Business Park. It was previously reported Amazon will be opening a Delivery Station in Albuquerque; it looks like it will tie into this new FC as well as some FCs in surrounding states (probably mainly from the Phoenix, Denver, and DFW areas).
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Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:05 pm

Also, it looks like Amazon has started shifting some of its longest linehaul ground routes to Amazon Air. Previously, the longest ground linehaul route to the Phoenix area was from SAT2 in San Marcos, Texas. It now goes via Amazon Air on AFW-ILN-PHX. This does seem like an odd routing, but ILN-PHX is overnight.
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:46 pm

The first 2 737F for SY are going through mods in China. No word on if tail numbers will be SY or whose?? Still no word on EIS date for the first two or base other then MSP.
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:19 pm

Sunking: They are all GECAS dry leased, as are the current 5 flown by Southern. Tails will be in series with 5113A, 5147A, 5153A, 5167A, 5179A, the ones flown by Southern. All prime numbers. Nothing has changed in the GECAS lease deal, just the planned operator.
 
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Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:17 am

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Sunking: They are all GECAS dry leased, as are the current 5 flown by Southern. Tails will be in series with 5113A, 5147A, 5153A, 5167A, 5179A, the ones flown by Southern. All prime numbers. Nothing has changed in the GECAS lease deal, just the planned operator.


Here's my conundrum: Cargo Aircraft Management had registration N381CM reserved, but the reservation expired last year. That number was recently placed on air Aircastle-managed 737-800 currently at Victorville. Coincidence? Aircastle usually has registrations ending in AC.
 
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Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:22 am

MO11 probably a coincidence. The Amazon 738s are all coming from GECAS and not likely to be any more soon. The GECAS ones will end in A. I don't see ATI or ABX flying 737s anytime soon. That said, PEMCO has 737NG conversion aspirations, soooooo maybe it could end up owned by CAM.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:07 pm

CAM signed for JA8362 yesterday.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:04 pm

MO11 wrote:
CAM signed for JA8362 yesterday.


Registration changed to N431AZ. Interesting. I thought it might be going to UPS.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:12 pm

N744AX is in ROW for paint. Last one in the old red tail livery
 
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Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:18 am

Horrific news today from Amazon Air construction site.

https://local12.com/news/local/man-dies ... cincinnati
 
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Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:14 am

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Horrific news today from Amazon Air construction site.

https://local12.com/news/local/man-dies ... cincinnati


Horrible. The two GCs are national companies with excellent reputations and safety cultures. Highly-experienced in airport, warehouse/distribution and road projects. The decedent's employer is a smaller local business, diversity-hire, that appears to have a good reputation. Initial report seems to be that a steel beam fell during erection.
 
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Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:31 am

N384AA is finally on its way to TLV, N381AN should follow next (Right now it has a slot of Thursday 2/6)
 
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Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:45 am

yochai wrote:
N384AA is finally on its way to TLV, N381AN should follow next (Right now it has a slot of Thursday 2/6)


Thanks, Yochai!
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:53 am

CAM signed for N395AN on Friday,

Outside of the freight department, GECAS registered an ex-Royal Air Maroc 767 as N468AX. 4+6+8 divided by 2 = 9, so we know where that's headed.
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:50 am

MO11: Interesting that new Omni lift is not being leased from CAM. (Nice math on the tail number! :smile: ) ATSG said that it was going to let Omni management continue to run their Airline the way they had been doing, and this would seem to be an indication that they are doing exactly that. (Could also be that GECAS sold it to CAM after a lease return. We'll see.)

It may also be that Amazon's needs, while not currently contracted, are anticipated to use up every one of the rest of those AA frames.

Also, the Maroc frame is a smidge newer. Most-recently CN-RNS. Ln 863. 18.1 years old, delivered Jan 2002, according to Planespotters.net.
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:27 pm

I know it was discussed up thread but I don't remember seeing an answer about the PHX ANC daily flight. I was in PHX the other day and saw the flight coming in. Does anyone have an idea about what the flight is carrying ? Asia cargo? Prime bound to AK? I really am curious what the purpose of the flight is.
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:06 pm

travaz wrote:
I know it was discussed up thread but I don't remember seeing an answer about the PHX ANC daily flight. I was in PHX the other day and saw the flight coming in. Does anyone have an idea about what the flight is carrying ? Asia cargo? Prime bound to AK? I really am curious what the purpose of the flight is.


did SEA-ANC change to PHX-ANC?
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:06 pm

I dont know the answer but here is the history of 8C 3715 Daily from ANC to PHX
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/8c3715

Corrected flight direction

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