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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Fri May 15, 2020 12:45 am

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So 344KD's issue was flaps failed to come up past 5. First communication was they were stopping the climb and going to have to turn back and do a fuel dump. The f/o was super-cheery when speaking, perhaps trying to telegraph not an emergency. They actually said no emergency just an abnormal procedure. Lots of issues with this aircraft so far since they've brought it back into service.


Less than 24hrs later, 344KD is SDF bound again. 33,000ft, 589mph and another 4 hours till touchdown in Lousiville.
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Fri May 15, 2020 1:53 am

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So 344KD's issue was flaps failed to come up past 5. First communication was they were stopping the climb and going to have to turn back and do a fuel dump. The f/o was super-cheery when speaking, perhaps trying to telegraph not an emergency. They actually said no emergency just an abnormal procedure. Lots of issues with this aircraft so far since they've brought it back into service.


Less than 24hrs later, 344KD is SDF bound again. 33,000ft, 589mph and another 4 hours till touchdown in Lousiville.


I know WGN has its own maint, but it's not completely-ridiculous to point out that if there's one model of aircraft that is capable of being fixed at ANC, it's the 747.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Fri May 15, 2020 2:05 am

Since this thread seems to carry DHL-related news as well...N740CK arrived this evening to a spray of water courtesy of the CVG firefighting crew. Heading to the desert, the scrapper, or a new owner?
 
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Or retiring pilot?
 
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Fri May 15, 2020 2:13 am

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CX747 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
So 344KD's issue was flaps failed to come up past 5. First communication was they were stopping the climb and going to have to turn back and do a fuel dump. The f/o was super-cheery when speaking, perhaps trying to telegraph not an emergency. They actually said no emergency just an abnormal procedure. Lots of issues with this aircraft so far since they've brought it back into service.


Less than 24hrs later, 344KD is SDF bound again. 33,000ft, 589mph and another 4 hours till touchdown in Lousiville.


I know WGN has its own maint, but it's not completely-ridiculous to point out that if there's one model of aircraft that is capable of being fixed at ANC, it's the 747.


Great minds think alike. When I saw it had diverted early this morning, my thoughts were the same as yours. If you can't get your 747 fixed in ANC, then should you really be trying to fix it?
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Fri May 15, 2020 11:30 am

Speaking of DHL, N737KT has been operating roundtrip CVG-JFK the last few days, this is a 737 BDSF originally with Pegasus.
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Fri May 15, 2020 1:40 pm

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Or retiring pilot?


Maybe they are sending the pilot to the scrapper. They might have some good parts to salvage still, maybe just not the liver.

Seems extreme but have you seen the costs of parking them for long periods?
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Fri May 15, 2020 2:41 pm

I've ordered 8 items, usually 2 at a time, in the last two weeks, plus one non-Amazon via UPS Mail Innovations. Delivery has been eccentric (but satisfactory) at almost all levels. Estimated times changed frequently, usually to a few day, even a couple weeks, earlier, but sometimes delayed. Things from the other side of the US come sometimes by plane, others ground. Items are delivered one at a time, only once bulked together. Delivery details frequently not available. It makes me suspect that Amazon is selling even more items than before, and somewhat struggling (and I would say succeeding) to deliver in a timely fashion.
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Fri May 15, 2020 3:07 pm

Right now for me Amazon is waiving the minimum spending requirement for Same-Day Delivery. I don't know if this is for all Prime members or only in the areas with dedicated Same-Day warehouses. However, the Same-Day delivery has had a few hiccups. One of the items (dog food) arrived a day late, and the other (a Samsung microSD card) went out for delivery at the last minute before the 6 PM deadline, arriving about 15 minutes after the deadline.
 
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Fri May 15, 2020 5:28 pm

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I've ordered 8 items, usually 2 at a time, in the last two weeks, plus one non-Amazon via UPS Mail Innovations. Delivery has been eccentric (but satisfactory) at almost all levels. Estimated times changed frequently, usually to a few day, even a couple weeks, earlier, but sometimes delayed. Things from the other side of the US come sometimes by plane, others ground. Items are delivered one at a time, only once bulked together. Delivery details frequently not available. It makes me suspect that Amazon is selling even more items than before, and somewhat struggling (and I would say succeeding) to deliver in a timely fashion.


Same here. This is true for Target and Walmart as well. Target on average has done very well, excellent really -- but only if they have the product for sale, which more often than not they do not. I did get a Fire HD tablet from them for my (older person) Dad so we could Skype; I bought it from them because the published delivery time was several days faster than Amazon, and in fact they did deliver on time.
 
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Fri May 15, 2020 6:42 pm

Looks now like n741ax will be flying to ILN today. Would be cool if someone could photograph, or at least verify, the new livery.
 
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Sat May 16, 2020 2:40 am

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Looks now like n741ax will be flying to ILN today. Would be cool if someone could photograph, or at least verify, the new livery.


CargoFacts is reporting N741AX being leased to Raya Airways of Malaysia.
 
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Sat May 16, 2020 2:49 am

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wjcandee wrote:
Looks now like n741ax will be flying to ILN today. Would be cool if someone could photograph, or at least verify, the new livery.


CargoFacts is reporting N741AX being leased to Raya Airways of Malaysia.


That makes sense, actually. They previously/currently lease the former ABX Air plane 315AA from CAM. (It's now got some other tail #, but it's 315AA.) Question is, because they operate for DHL, whether the aircraft is in RAYA's livery or DHL's. The current one is in RAYA livery. And needs a bath.
 
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Sat May 16, 2020 3:35 am

wjcandee wrote:
KCVGSpotter wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Looks now like n741ax will be flying to ILN today. Would be cool if someone could photograph, or at least verify, the new livery.


CargoFacts is reporting N741AX being leased to Raya Airways of Malaysia.


That makes sense, actually. They previously/currently lease the former ABX Air plane 315AA from CAM. (It's now got some other tail #, but it's 315AA.) Question is, because they operate for DHL, whether the aircraft is in RAYA's livery or DHL's. The current one is in RAYA livery. And needs a bath.


Currently it’s 9M-RXA. Less than 80,000 hours on her at last SDR (late 2015). Swapping frames for a heavy check or adding to fleet?
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Sat May 16, 2020 4:56 am

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wjcandee wrote:
KCVGSpotter wrote:

CargoFacts is reporting N741AX being leased to Raya Airways of Malaysia.


That makes sense, actually. They previously/currently lease the former ABX Air plane 315AA from CAM. (It's now got some other tail #, but it's 315AA.) Question is, because they operate for DHL, whether the aircraft is in RAYA's livery or DHL's. The current one is in RAYA livery. And needs a bath.


Currently it’s 9M-RXA. Less than 80,000 hours on her at last SDR (late 2015). Swapping frames for a heavy check or adding to fleet?


If they repainted 741AX in anything other than plain white, I think it's an addition. In their financials, they talked about prepping two 767-200s for re-lease, and this is plainly one of them. They didn't mention anything about lease returns, which I think they should have done if this is just a swap.

As to the hours, that's consistent with 312AA, which is the one of the series that is still at ABX. It, too, is medium-hours, low cycles. 21587/87080 in November 2019 when in for what I don't want to suggest was a vandalized cockpit. That "dislodged descent device" "of unknown cause" is more-common at ABX than anywhere I have ever seen. It causes the aircraft to be grounded until they can be replaced.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 9:56 am

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Speaking of DHL, N737KT has been operating roundtrip CVG-JFK the last few days, this is a 737 BDSF originally with Pegasus.

N916SC finally showed up at CVG a couple weeks ago. Only took what, 9 months or so after the repaints to finish those up? Didn't both of those fail heavy checks of some sort late last year?
 
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Sat May 16, 2020 1:03 pm

Spacepope wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
KCVGSpotter wrote:

CargoFacts is reporting N741AX being leased to Raya Airways of Malaysia.


That makes sense, actually. They previously/currently lease the former ABX Air plane 315AA from CAM. (It's now got some other tail #, but it's 315AA.) Question is, because they operate for DHL, whether the aircraft is in RAYA's livery or DHL's. The current one is in RAYA livery. And needs a bath.


Currently it’s 9M-RXA. Less than 80,000 hours on her at last SDR (late 2015). Swapping frames for a heavy check or adding to fleet?


741AX is being reported as an addition to the fleet.
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Tue May 19, 2020 2:31 pm

N798AX was "sold" to AMES yesterday.
 
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Tue May 19, 2020 6:24 pm

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N798AX was "sold" to AMES yesterday.


RIP?

In 2018 she had over 49,000 cycles.(but only about 68,000 hours)
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Tue May 19, 2020 6:31 pm

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N798AX was "sold" to AMES yesterday.


RIP?

In 2018 she had over 49,000 cycles.(but only about 68,000 hours)


Yeah, she's done. She cycled-out near the end of Peak 2019.

They did the same thing with N792AX several months after she hit the LOV and was removed from service. Reregistered to AMES. Presumably now a parts donor.
 
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Tue May 19, 2020 7:13 pm

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Speaking of DHL, N737KT has been operating roundtrip CVG-JFK the last few days, this is a 737 BDSF originally with Pegasus.

N916SC finally showed up at CVG a couple weeks ago. Only took what, 9 months or so after the repaints to finish those up? Didn't both of those fail heavy checks of some sort late last year?


Not sure about the failed checks, interesting if true. Are both these jets in DHL colors now?
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Tue May 19, 2020 8:33 pm

N308CM scheduled to go on a test flight at TLV tomorrow morning.
 
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Tue May 19, 2020 10:25 pm

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N308CM scheduled to go on a test flight at TLV tomorrow morning.


Woo-hoo! Almost exactly 9 months after arrival! I guess these ex-LATAM frames required some extra heavy-work. The other one, N304CM, has been there 10 months.
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 10:27 pm

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Harvestman wrote:
flyguy1 wrote:
Speaking of DHL, N737KT has been operating roundtrip CVG-JFK the last few days, this is a 737 BDSF originally with Pegasus.

N916SC finally showed up at CVG a couple weeks ago. Only took what, 9 months or so after the repaints to finish those up? Didn't both of those fail heavy checks of some sort late last year?


Not sure about the failed checks, interesting if true. Are both these jets in DHL colors now?

Yes they are. Regular ketchup-n-mustard scheme for both of them.

Here is a post from the 2019 thread regarding certification troubles on both 738s: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1411887&p=21859113&hilit=N916sc#p21859113

And yes, N792AX is stored at ILN and being stripped out. Currently has no engines or nose cone (among other stuff).
 
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Tue May 19, 2020 10:40 pm

Harvestman: Yeah there was a total delay of about 10 months in getting the STC; originally planned for July-ish 2019. Don't know if it had to do with the rigid barrier issue on other IAI 737s, which appears to have been resolved by an AD.

But now that there is officially a 737-800BDSF, it's a fair bet that as the -800s which are being held in pax service due to MAX issues come offline, many will end up being converted by IAI.

There are 3 approved conversions, to my knowledge. There is the AEI conversion, 737-800SF, which has a few out there. There is the BCF, which has done 20-something, I think. And there is the BDSF, which has these two but which now will start to ramp up. IAI has a Chinese partner and also is looking for a potential Europe touch-work provider. I know that GAMECO is one of Boeing's Chinese touch-work vendors, and I believe there are more but I'm a little too swamped right now to look them up.
 
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Tue May 19, 2020 11:08 pm

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Harvestman: Yeah there was a total delay of about 10 months in getting the STC; originally planned for July-ish 2019. Don't know if it had to do with the rigid barrier issue on other IAI 737s, which appears to have been resolved by an AD.

But now that there is officially a 737-800BDSF, it's a fair bet that as the -800s which are being held in pax service due to MAX issues come offline, many will end up being converted by IAI.

There are 3 approved conversions, to my knowledge. There is the AEI conversion, 737-800SF, which has a few out there. There is the BCF, which has done 20-something, I think. And there is the BDSF, which has these two but which now will start to ramp up. IAI has a Chinese partner and also is looking for a potential Europe touch-work provider. I know that GAMECO is one of Boeing's Chinese touch-work vendors, and I believe there are more but I'm a little too swamped right now to look them up.


How different was the -800BDSF from those -700s they converted for Alaska (besides basic 700vs800 airframe stuff)?
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Wed May 20, 2020 2:23 pm

IAI also has an ex Jet Airways 737-800 being converted at Mexicana MRO in MEX
 
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So CAM's N308CM (soon to be N395UP) took an almost-3-hour test flight at TLV today (5/20/20). Sometimes, that means the aircraft is close to being sent home. Sometimes it spends another month there after the test flight, so we'll see what happens, but that's at least progress.

Meanwhile, also today, N392AN flew from ROW to ILN. This is an aircraft that CAM bought from Jetran (who is buying all of AA's retiring 767-300s) on 3/23/20. Presumably will head over to TLV sometime in the next week or two. Or not. But probably. The recently-retired AA birds don't typically seem to need too much at ILN before they head over. And sometimes, but not always, the crew that takes one over to TLV brings a finished one back.
 
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IAI also has an ex Jet Airways 737-800 being converted at Mexicana MRO in MEX


Given the time and effort that IAI spent getting the Mexicana MRO operation set up to convert 767-300s, it makes sense that they would also use them on the 737-800. They seem to do good work, and promptly.
 
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Fri May 22, 2020 4:16 am

So N741AX did a test flight today at ILN and is scheduled to head off ILN-HNL tomorrow afternoon. We've been told that it's going to Raya, but I haven't yet seen a picture of it after it emerged from paint so...that's just what I heard.
 
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Fri May 22, 2020 6:10 pm

So 443AZ, the next 767-300 to be dry-leased to Amazon and operated by ATI, should be returning from paint at GUS (painting contractor = Dean Baldwin) this afternoon.

This aircraft has been operating for ATI as N360CM since October 2019. It started pre-conversion as N7375A, delivered to American in 1992 and running with them its whole passenger career, until 2017. CAM converted it, and leased it to Air Incheon, exporting it as HL8319 in April 2018, and returned by them in about 16 months. CAM painted over the Air Incheon markings on the tail, but left the weird gold doodles on the fuselage as it ran the plane as a spare, largely for Amazon, starting in around October 2019 (i.e. during Peak). It has continued to operate in that function since then. Now, it will be the first of the 5 to be delivered to Amazon this year, all but one of which are already on property at ILN.

The others are:
153DL, which will be 449AZ;
441AZ, which was JA8362 (ANA Cargo BCF);
379AA, which will be 457AZ (next to come back from TLV);
and 433AZ, which was JA8286 (ANA Cargo BCF).

Expected to be in that order, about a month apart to begin operation. So that's 6/1/20 through about 10/1/20, and we'll see what happens after that.
 
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Fri May 22, 2020 6:15 pm

Huh. I thought I mentioned yesterday that Sun Country now has been running a new station, ONT, for Amazon, and has taken delivery of N545RL and N542RL, putting 545 in service on 5/17/20 and 542 in service today (5/22/20), the latter with a first flight MSP-CVG under an Amazon flight number, then CVG-TPA. We'll see if that suggests another regular node on the 737 network.

So that's 3 at Sun Country. N543RL is still at PAE, where AAR is doing the induction for Sun Country, where it has been since 5/10/20. We should be seeing it in service pretty-soon, I think.
 
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Fri May 22, 2020 6:20 pm

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So 443AZ, the next 767-300 to be dry-leased to Amazon and operated by ATI, should be returning from paint at GUS (painting contractor = Dean Baldwin) this afternoon.

This aircraft has been operating for ATI as N360CM since October 2019. It started pre-conversion as N7375A, delivered to American in 1992 and running with them its whole passenger career, until 2017. CAM converted it, and leased it to Air Incheon, exporting it as HL8319 in April 2018, and returned by them in about 16 months. CAM painted over the Air Incheon markings on the tail, but left the weird gold doodles on the fuselage as it ran the plane as a spare, largely for Amazon, starting in around October 2019 (i.e. during Peak). It has continued to operate in that function since then. Now, it will be the first of the 5 to be delivered to Amazon this year, all but one of which are already on property at ILN.

The others are:
153DL, which will be 449AZ;
441AZ, which was JA8362 (ANA Cargo BCF);
379AA, which will be 457AZ (next to come back from TLV);
and 433AZ, which was JA8286 (ANA Cargo BCF).

Expected to be in that order, about a month apart to begin operation. So that's 6/1/20 through about 10/1/20, and we'll see what happens after that.


How many of these other 4 are in service already as "spares"? Will the spares pool get replenished as these are "öfficially"put into Amazon service? It's seems strange to me that there's regularly more aircraft needed in service than they have solid leases for.
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Fri May 22, 2020 7:33 pm

I saw that SY had a jet fly CVG-ONT today. IIRC SY has a plane in ONT already. I'm checking my source for Amazon Sun Prime fleet additions. When I know i will post. Rumor that SY would have all cargo Jets flying by July?? I guess its a wait n see.
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Fri May 22, 2020 9:27 pm

I think this article is generally relevant to this thread:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/22/tech ... e=Homepage
 
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How many of these other 4 are in service already as "spares"? Will the spares pool get replenished as these are "öfficially"put into Amazon service? It's seems strange to me that there's regularly more aircraft needed in service than they have solid leases for.


None of the other 4 aircraft are in service. One is in TLV and the others are on the ground, unpainted, at ILN.

ATI has one 762 on the roster that isn't leased to Amazon. It is used for Military cargo charter and as a spare for Amazon. 255CM.
ATI also has one 763 on the roster that isn't leased to Amazon (besides the 763 that was 360CM). 376AN.

Amazon plans its routes so that it has a couple more dry-leased aircraft than are needed to cover the routes. Mechanical things break, or get held up by weather, airport issues, crew availability, etc., and when they do, you need something to cover. There is at least one hot spare West and one East-ish, or at least there was last time I checked. They don't need that from their dry-leased fleet at each airline; I'm talking about the system as a whole.

Because each airline has a maintenance program that takes a plane out of service for up to 5 weeks on a 1.5-to-2-year schedule, those airlines have maintenance spares to cover so they can keep flying and charging $$$ for flying. And those spares can also be used in Peak not only to increase reliability but also perhaps to let Amazon operate the network at a higher tempo.

ABX works a little differently with its 6 Amazon aircraft. It has sufficient slack in its 762 fleet that it seems routinely to rotate in one of the slack aircraft on Amazon routes. However, the dry-leased aircraft cannot be used for anything other than Amazon flights without Amazon's permission, which virtually never is asked or offered.
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Sat May 23, 2020 6:30 pm

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I think this article is generally relevant to this thread:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/22/tech ... e=Homepage


The Thrust of the article is that Amazon is returning to faster shipping speeds. I hope this is true. I am waiting for an item that is sold and stocked by Amazon for over a week. I am getting tired of paying for prime and getting shipments in 2 or 3 weeks. I live in PHX and the Item is coming from Moreano CA and it has been over a week. Could have driven there in 5 Hours. I am glad to see thing start to return to Normal.

Why has Amazon gone to 737? Is it for smaller markets or additional lift? BTW glad to see SY make out as they are a great little Airline.
 
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Sat May 23, 2020 6:54 pm

SY Sun Prime Fleet additions......
N451CC (aka N7919A ) 737-800F #5 flying KIX-ANC today. ANC -PAE Tomorrow,
N445CC (aka N7907A) Arr ANC-PAE yesterday.) 737-800F #6
N543RL still in PAE. 737-800F #4
3 737-800F are now in service for Amazon
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SY Sun Prime Fleet additions......
N451CC (aka N7919A ) 737-800F #5 flying KIX-ANC today. ANC -PAE Tomorrow,
N445CC (aka N7907A) Arr ANC-PAE yesterday.) 737-800F #6
N543RL still in PAE. 737-800F #4
3 737-800F are now in service for Amazon


What an outstanding opportunity for this carrier. I hope they knock the ball right out of the court. They know the 737, the have a good pilot crew and they seem to have their acts together. Keep it up and they could have a large stable of cargo 737s to operate.
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Sun May 24, 2020 5:27 am

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SY Sun Prime Fleet additions......
N451CC (aka N7919A ) 737-800F #5 flying KIX-ANC today. ANC -PAE Tomorrow,
N445CC (aka N7907A) Arr ANC-PAE yesterday.) 737-800F #6
N543RL still in PAE. 737-800F #4
3 737-800F are now in service for Amazon


What an outstanding opportunity for this carrier. I hope they knock the ball right out of the court. They know the 737, the have a good pilot crew and they seem to have their acts together. Keep it up and they could have a large stable of cargo 737s to operate.


Yeah, they're starting with 10. Then there are 5 more that will go either to Southern or to Sun Country. The Southern pilots have been saying they're getting the next 5 after the 10, but we know what pilot rumors are worth...
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 2:24 pm

First post here, just to say lease company GECAS have 9x B738 in conversion in China at present, presumably all could be for Amazon?
Some should be due out of conversion soon, possibly more for Sun Country but is there a possibility that the European network could see some B738 soon? Currently 11 aircraft in operation each day but all B734/B752 at present.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 8:56 pm

darloscott: Welcome! Nice to have you with us. Good question.

GECAS has more customers than just Amazon for its 737-800BCF conversions. So it is possible that all the currently-in-conversion-in-China ones are going to go to Amazon, and it is also possible that some will go elsewhere. Amazon is helping Sun Country out by dramatically-advancing the delivery and in-service dates of the aircraft that Sun Country will be operating. Sun Country will have a total of 10, and there are 5 of those 10 currently in the US, counting the one that will be landing shortly at PAE as I write this (N451CC).

After the 10 are placed at Sun Country, there are apparently 5 more planned for Amazon in the US under the current contracts with GECAS. Whether they will go to Sun Country or Southern, and when they come to the US, I don't know. And whether the GECAS 737-800BCF lease contracts will be expanded, I don't know.

As to the European network, it stands to reason that 737-800BCFs may go there in the future, but I personally don't know of any specific, announced, plans for that.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 12:00 am

wjcandee wrote:
As to the European network, it stands to reason that 737-800BCFs may go there in the future, but I personally don't know of any specific, announced, plans for that.


European network for Amazon Air?
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 12:14 am

jbs2886 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
As to the European network, it stands to reason that 737-800BCFs may go there in the future, but I personally don't know of any specific, announced, plans for that.


European network for Amazon Air?


Primarily EAT. And 737-400s from ASL. (ASL has ordered some 737-800 freighters, btw.)

At the moment, it's pretty-limited. Of course, the US operation started with a couple of 767-200s flying into ILN and cross-docking cargo-net-covered pallets. And not that long ago.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 3:36 am

wjcandee wrote:
N441AZ, which was JA8362 (ANA Cargo BCF);


The registration for this aircraft is N431AZ, per FAA website: https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquir ... rtxt=431AZ

Besides, 441 is not prime. :shakehead:
"So many planes; so little time..."
 
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Mon May 25, 2020 5:55 am

Yes. 431AZ. It was a typo, as evidenced by my mentioning it a bunch of other times correctly. OMG, I'm fallible!!
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 6:59 am

In answering Spacepope's question a couple of posts back (#536), I left out N395CM as a 767-300 aircraft that ATI operates that isn't dry-leased to Amazon. I was thinking of spares, and 395CM isn't a maintenance spare; it's a full-ATI-livery 763 that looks great and is used primarily on military flights. It has stepped up occasionally and protected an Amazon flight, but it generally isn't in that rotation. For example, it did an Amazon flight on April 13 (today is May 25th), and it hasn't done one since then, despite flying at a significant tempo. What it has done is a lot of military rotations in Asia, including what looked like a PPE flight; it flew MCC-ANC-ICN-NKG-ANC-SWF on 5/11-13.

But I should have included it when answering Spacepope's question given that I was purportedly listing 767-300s that ATI flies that aren't dry-leased to Amazon. And to get hypertechnical, there's also the Aloha Cargo aircraft, 399CM, which is dry-leased to NAC and operated "temporarily" by ATI on HNL-LAX. I put that in quotes because ATI has been operating it since 11/6/2017, while NAC gets its act together operating its other 2 dry-leased 767-300s out of MIA.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 7:54 am

N392AN scheduled into TLV on Thursday morning for freighter mods
 
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Mon May 25, 2020 10:18 am

yochai wrote:
N392AN scheduled into TLV on Thursday morning for freighter mods


Thanks, Yochai!
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 7:25 pm

Well N741AX made a try to fly to HNL today from ILN, but turned around about 16 minutes into the flight, having climbed to FL360. Descended pretty-rapidly, flew around a bit, and landed about 55 minutes after takeoff.

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