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sketch
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:13 pm

SNN707 wrote:
Airbus has announced it is expanding its Mobile assembly facility to build 7 planes monthly.

https://www.flightglobal.com/aerospace/ ... 69.article

With the MAX situation, this may just be the beginning. Will MSY benefit from this? Obviously there will be more Airbus ppl flying into Mobile and the need for smaller critical and expensive components that require air delivery.

I just don't see MOB ramping up requiring a connection somewhere, when MSY has nonstop service just about everywhere domestically. Would be a great time to start service to CDG, non?

I don't see how. Business types are not going to drive 2+ hours to MSY just to get a flight to the mothership. They'll just connect in Atlanta like everybody else. Maybe they'll upgauge some of the current CRJ routes for 'em.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:21 am

sketch wrote:
SNN707 wrote:
Airbus has announced it is expanding its Mobile assembly facility to build 7 planes monthly.

https://www.flightglobal.com/aerospace/ ... 69.article

With the MAX situation, this may just be the beginning. Will MSY benefit from this? Obviously there will be more Airbus ppl flying into Mobile and the need for smaller critical and expensive components that require air delivery.

I just don't see MOB ramping up requiring a connection somewhere, when MSY has nonstop service just about everywhere domestically. Would be a great time to start service to CDG, non?

I don't see how. Business types are not going to drive 2+ hours to MSY just to get a flight to the mothership. They'll just connect in Atlanta like everybody else. Maybe they'll upgauge some of the current CRJ routes for 'em.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:28 am

sketch wrote:
SNN707 wrote:
Airbus has announced it is expanding its Mobile assembly facility to build 7 planes monthly.

https://www.flightglobal.com/aerospace/ ... 69.article

With the MAX situation, this may just be the beginning. Will MSY benefit from this? Obviously there will be more Airbus ppl flying into Mobile and the need for smaller critical and expensive components that require air delivery.

I just don't see MOB ramping up requiring a connection somewhere, when MSY has nonstop service just about everywhere domestically. Would be a great time to start service to CDG, non?

I don't see how. Business types are not going to drive 2+ hours to MSY just to get a flight to the mothership. They'll just connect in Atlanta like everybody else. Maybe they'll upgauge some of the current CRJ routes for 'em.


I'm sure Airbus will have a bizjet/flyshare in MOB, and the MSY FBOs are right there by the terminal. Short hop from Brookley to MSY, 2min to checkin. Can't do it that easy at the big hubs. And you also avoid the big hubs and the drive from Brookley to MOB.

Not saying it's going to happen that way, but it is a possible scenario. I do agree the drive would be long, unless its a bus full of ppl, maybe then.
 
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:02 am

SNN707 wrote:
I just don't see MOB ramping up requiring a connection somewhere, when MSY has nonstop service just about everywhere domestically. Would be a great time to start service to CDG, non?

Why would someone fly CDG-MSY then drive for 3-4hr..... when they can just fly CDG-ATL-MOB?


SNN707 wrote:
Not saying it's going to happen that way, but it is a possible scenario.

The chances of that happening are too low to numerically compute.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:41 am

LAX772LR wrote:
SNN707 wrote:
I just don't see MOB ramping up requiring a connection somewhere, when MSY has nonstop service just about everywhere domestically. Would be a great time to start service to CDG, non?

Why would someone fly CDG-MSY then drive for 3-4hr..... when they can just fly CDG-ATL-MOB?

SNN707 wrote:
Not saying it's going to happen that way, but it is a possible scenario.

The chances of that happening are too low to numerically compute.


Fair to say that not everyone would drive, but Mobile is only a little over 2 hours, so some portion of travelers will drive to save money, as the lack of connection basically cancels out the drive. Even moreso if you have a busload of workers or family traveling - the price difference can be substantial. In fact I recall that leaders highlighted Mobile as an area where they built support to attract BA:

"Mobile (Ala.) was a major support for us because we talked about starting up a bus service for executives from Mobile into New Orleans, so they can fly direct into Europe instead of going into Chicago," Hecht said."
https://www.nola.com/news/business/article_a44c2300-681a-5574-8c10-e010ce06d3d7.html

The other component is cargo - I know DL runs trucks from ATL-MSY and MOB. Being able to put something on a plane directly to MSY could be a valuable resource for Airbus.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:40 pm

msycajun wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
SNN707 wrote:
I just don't see MOB ramping up requiring a connection somewhere, when MSY has nonstop service just about everywhere domestically. Would be a great time to start service to CDG, non?

Why would someone fly CDG-MSY then drive for 3-4hr..... when they can just fly CDG-ATL-MOB?

SNN707 wrote:
Not saying it's going to happen that way, but it is a possible scenario.

The chances of that happening are too low to numerically compute.


Fair to say that not everyone would drive, but Mobile is only a little over 2 hours, so some portion of travelers will drive to save money, as the lack of connection basically cancels out the drive. Even moreso if you have a busload of workers or family traveling - the price difference can be substantial. In fact I recall that leaders highlighted Mobile as an area where they built support to attract BA:

"Mobile (Ala.) was a major support for us because we talked about starting up a bus service for executives from Mobile into New Orleans, so they can fly direct into Europe instead of going into Chicago," Hecht said."
https://www.nola.com/news/business/article_a44c2300-681a-5574-8c10-e010ce06d3d7.html

The other component is cargo - I know DL runs trucks from ATL-MSY and MOB. Being able to put something on a plane directly to MSY could be a valuable resource for Airbus.


That's all I'm trying to say, we could get a little more Airbus business from MOB, especially high yield front of the plane. Top execs would probably fly there on a biz Falcon, looking more at middle execs and key staff.

I agree it wont be droves of ppl, but if they could push 10 a week in J, that surely could not hurt a flight from CDG to MSY. Any possibilities need to be in a business case for new service. Also FIS at MSY > any big hub. I'm just trying to see any angle in landing a CDG nonstop, realistic or not.

Working against my argument is DL/Skyteam has MOB covered pretty well. And I'm sure boarding/arriving at MOB is a snap. Also, Mobile is in the midst of moving air service from MOB to Brookley (F9 already flying out of there). That would change everything as well.

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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:27 am

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KDTW/KBHM

Strange diversion to BHM. Looks like it got all the way down to MSY and then went all the way back up to BHM after doing some loops near MSY. Now, it looks like the BHM-MSY leg is not going to take off until 10:30 AM, which seems quite late. Anyone have any info on this?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:23 am

gdavis003 wrote:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL2947/history/20200114/0130Z/KDTW/KBHM

Strange diversion to BHM. Looks like it got all the way down to MSY and then went all the way back up to BHM after doing some loops near MSY. Now, it looks like the BHM-MSY leg is not going to take off until 10:30 AM, which seems quite late. Anyone have any info on this?

The fog was very dense and caused several diversions this morning/afternoon
Listen Betty, don't start up with your white zone shit again.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:20 pm

dc10co wrote:
The fog was very dense and caused several diversions this morning/afternoon


I can imagine. I had a rather “exciting” landing last night in the thick of the fog. People on the flight were a bit shaken to say the least by the time we arrived at the gate.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:34 pm

Confirmed that DE will be using a leased Omni Air International 767 for operations this Summer. MSP, BWI, and PIT will also be flown with these leased aircraft. No W class on these aircraft. Only Y and C/J. https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... on-in-s20/
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:38 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
Confirmed that DE will be using a leased Omni Air International 767 for operations this Summer. MSP, BWI, and PIT will also be flown with these leased aircraft. No W class on these aircraft. Only Y and C/J. https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... on-in-s20/


If thats the case, DE better change their website because they are selling J as "lie flat" when Omni 767s use the BE Millenium seats which are NOT lie flat but recliners just like current DE - but based on FlyerTalk comments as "awful".

EuroAtlantic had a much better J product in a pod like true lie flat. This is like a PE type seat at best. The problem wirh the OAI 767s is either this or sardine can economy. No extra legroon econ like on DE metal.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24199716-post65.html
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:38 pm

NOAB Jan mtg agenda just came out - there is an item showing "Termination of Janitorial Services Contract with ETI, Inc. for Conversion"

Looks like the board was as unhappy with the state of cleanliness as many pax were. Good move.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:58 pm

SNN707 wrote:
NOAB Jan mtg agenda just came out - there is an item showing "Termination of Janitorial Services Contract with ETI, Inc. for Conversion"

Looks like the board was as unhappy with the state of cleanliness as many pax were. Good move.



was just about to comment on that and definitely a good move... not that the other airport was clean but when you have a brand new airport it really shows the awful job the service has been doing and probably been doing for quite some time


Item 8 Janitorial Services
A. Termination of Janitorial Services Contract with ETI, Inc.
for Convenience
B. Janitorial Consulting, Training, and Management Services $518,000 NTE
Confluence Solutions
C. Staffing Support Services $1,680,000 NTE
Henry Consulting, LLC


Item 9 Airport Terminal Roof Cleaning Maintenance $107,748 NTE
Contract Award
Progressive Roofing
Metairie, Louisiana


Also they rejected all landscape maintenance bids and will rebid:

Item 13 Approval to Reject All Bids and Re-Advertise Landscaping & Plant
Maintenance
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:08 pm

do we have any updates on opening dates for : MAC store, Be Relax Spa, Vino Volo, EJE Duty Free, The Club and United Club?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:25 pm

Flew B6 MSY-BOS last week and just wanted to say how impressed I was with access to and facilities in the terminal. Nice views from the bathrooms too :)
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:57 am

Glad to see the janitorial contract is being revoked and rebid.

Definite downgrade concerning DE. I hope it doesn't affect things too negatively.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:26 am

The airport posted October statistics. https://www.flymsy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Airline-Statistics-October-2019.pdf

The airport reported 1,234,109 passengers for the month. A 5.3% increase over October 2018. Year to date numbers are up 3.9% to 11,335,354 passengers. No change in ranking from September. MSY remains the 38th busiest airport in the nation through the first half of the year falling between RDU and OAK.

Nearly all of the airlines saw year over year growth. UA, AC, and CM had a flat month and the BA had a decline as 3 round-trip flights were cancelled in October.

Estimated international carrier load factor (October):

AC: 88.0% full outbound (MSY-YYZ) 2073 pax/2356 seats
87.4% full inbound (YYZ-MSY) 2059 pax/2356 seats
87.7% full combined 4132 pax/4712 seats

BA: 88.9% full outbound (MSY-LHR) 3617 pax/4066 seats
85.9% full inbound (LHR-MSY) 3492 pax/4066 seats
87.4% full combined 7109 pax/8132 seats

CM: 68.2% full outbound (MSY-PTY) 1523 pax/2232 seats
70.4% full inbound (PTY-MSY) 1485 pax/2108 seats
69.3% full combined 3008 pax/4340 seats
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:10 pm

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Jan. 16, 2020

Contact: LaTonya Norton
For Media Inquiries Only
[email protected]
(504) 658-4962

MAYOR CANTRELL ISSUES STATEMENT ON END OF ETI SERVICE TO MSY
NEW ORLEANS — Mayor LaToya Cantrell today issued the following statement on the ending of the contract between the Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport and ETI:

"ETI Inc.’s time working on the facilities maintenance at the Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport has come to its end,” said Mayor Cantrell. "The new MSY terminal is the largest infrastructure project for the City since the Superdome. Many of our infrastructure issues stem from a lack of routine maintenance. Moving forward, infrastructure maintenance has to be our top priority, and our airport must set the tone for the new normal. In seeking future partners for the contract, the City expects the kind of top-level performance, competency and professionalism that our people, our visitors and our new airport deserve. MSY is the first and last impression people have of New Orleans, and its facilities should reflect the world-class city that we are."

https://content.govdelivery.com/account ... ns/276a1f7
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:41 pm

Glad to see quick action revoking the current janitorial contract, and the decision to use in-house staff from now on.

New Orleans airport to part ways with janitorial contractor ETI Inc., citing bad service https://www.nola.com/news/article_ad556 ... d17d8.html
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:56 pm

There was also a fairly large (3+ million) change order on the agenda - any ideas what that is for? Baggage system, more retail, additional lounge? Would be great to have an AA club, and one of the big complaints is a lack of restaurants outside of security.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:32 am

msycajun wrote:
There was also a fairly large (3+ million) change order on the agenda - any ideas what that is for? Baggage system, more retail, additional lounge? Would be great to have an AA club, and one of the big complaints is a lack of restaurants outside of security.


Change orders take time to process, so it's most likely related to the original north terminal project itself.

Also, confirmed that The Club MSY will open on January 30th. Here are some photos of the club that were shared to the local spotters page. It looks nice, but it will be small. Max capacity is 67 people. If they are at capacity, a wait list will be available. Nice that the club will have showers available for any passengers connecting through the airport.

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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:33 am

Haven't heard much about the departures baggage system lately... has that issue been ironed out?
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:46 am

DE potential buyers emerge. Not too impressed. But the loan clock is ticking. I'm not sure how any of them can solve the inadequate and very aging fleet situation. DE can't survive long term leasing from the likes of Omni.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thom ... SKBN1ZF2GT
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:15 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Haven't heard much about the departures baggage system lately... has that issue been ironed out?


I believe so. Haven't heard of any complaints via social media.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:55 pm

SNN707 wrote:
DE potential buyers emerge. Not too impressed. But the loan clock is ticking. I'm not sure how any of them can solve the inadequate and very aging fleet situation. DE can't survive long term leasing from the likes of Omni.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thom ... SKBN1ZF2GT


LOT seems like it would be a relatively seamless buyout. They codeshare with many of the same airlines and LOT would be able to offer some connections on its own metal out of FRA and MUC. Plus they already have a decent sized 787 fleet, which would be a good 767 replacement and offer some economies of scale. Replacing DE's 757s and 320s with the MAX could give them some leverage to get a good deal on 787s.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:03 pm

The airport posted its November numbers as well.
https://www.flymsy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Airline-Statistics-November-2019.pdf

Domestic travel was down very slightly, which matches most airports as the Sunday after Thanksgiving fell in December. International was up about 20% y-o-y which is great to see. Should be on track for around 13.6 million for 2019.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:04 pm

msycajun wrote:
The airport posted its November numbers as well.
https://www.flymsy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Airline-Statistics-November-2019.pdf

Domestic travel was down very slightly, which matches most airports as the Sunday after Thanksgiving fell in December. International was up about 20% y-o-y which is great to see. Should be on track for around 13.6 million for 2019.


Looks like the cuts from WN (likely due to the 73M grounding) were nearly cancelled out by growth from NK. I will post where we rank nationally and the international estimated load factor numbers this evening.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:06 pm

msycajun wrote:
SNN707 wrote:
DE potential buyers emerge. Not too impressed. But the loan clock is ticking. I'm not sure how any of them can solve the inadequate and very aging fleet situation. DE can't survive long term leasing from the likes of Omni.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thom ... SKBN1ZF2GT


LOT seems like it would be a relatively seamless buyout. They codeshare with many of the same airlines and LOT would be able to offer some connections on its own metal out of FRA and MUC. Plus they already have a decent sized 787 fleet, which would be a good 767 replacement and offer some economies of scale. Replacing DE's 757s and 320s with the MAX could give them some leverage to get a good deal on 787s.


Agreed concerning LOT. When I saw them among the bidders, they felt like the most logical choice. They are already in Star Alliance and have the capacity to replace the aging DE fleet.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:55 pm

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Also, confirmed that The Club MSY will open on January 30th. Here are some photos of the club that were shared to the local spotters page. It looks nice, but it will be small. Max capacity is 67 people. If they are at capacity, a wait list will be available. Nice that the club will have showers available for any passengers connecting through the airport.


What is with the cone of silence around the United Club opening date?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:22 pm

DE (Condor) July Stats
Airport.......Seats......Pax......Load Factor
SEA.........15430....14802.........95.93%
MSP...........8650......8270.........95.61%
SJU...........2040......1936.........94.90%
PDX.........11196....10615.........94.81%
PIT.............4446......4199.........94.44%
LAS.........10980....10301.........93.82%
BWI.........10996....10300.........93.67%
PHX..........6976......6468.........92.72%
MSY..........4478......4043.........90.29%
ANC..........8462......6964.........82.30%

Can't complain about about loads over 90%.

CM (Copa) July Stats
Airport.......Seats......Pax......Load Factor
BOS..........15062....13935.......92.52%
JFK...........34034....31410.......92.29%
MIA...........58848....54246.......92.18%
LAX...........33880....30991.......91.47%
SFO..........19096....17457.......91.42%
IAD............14144...12873........91.01%
LAS............9728.....8845.........90.92%
DEN............5760....5213.........90.50%
ORD..........29126...26343........90.44%
FLL.............8924....8023..........89.90%
MCO.........52752....46736.......88.60%
SJU...........16622....14468.......87.04%
TPA............8816.....7488.........84.94%
MSY............4378.....3604........82.32%

Bottom of the heap, but still over 80% loads.

BA (British Airways) July Stats
Airport.......Seats......Pax......Load Factor
LAX..........51829.....48236.......93.07%
SFO..........44252.....40994......92.64%
DEN.........20894.....19037.......91.11%
SEA..........31048.....28208.......90.85%
BWI..........12745.....11535.......90.51%
EWR.........25796....23130.......89.67%
SJC..........12744.....11407.......89.51%
MIA...........62221.....55608......89.37%
IAD...........32211.....28721.......89.17%
ORD.........45190.....39658.......87.76%
SAN..........18414....16084.......87.35%
JFK........147533....128662......87.21%
PHL..........22816.....19836.......86.94%
AUS..........21113.....18302.......86.69%
BOS.........67710.....58460.......86.34%
DFW.........10666......9076.......85.09%
PIT.............7704.......6530.......84.76%
CHS...........3426......2899........84.62%
ATL...........14207.....11964......84.21%
PHX..........20894.....17579......84.13%
LAS..........33168.....27581.......83.16%
MCO.........37482.....31135......83.07%
BNA.........13392.....11065.......82.62%
IAH...........29557.....24036.......81.32%
TPA..........20222.....15796.......78.11%
MSY...........8350......6489........77.71%
FLL............5712......3846........67.33%

Not a good month. Lots of cancellations due to Hurricane Barry impacting the area over several days.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:35 pm

QB504 wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
Also, confirmed that The Club MSY will open on January 30th. Here are some photos of the club that were shared to the local spotters page. It looks nice, but it will be small. Max capacity is 67 people. If they are at capacity, a wait list will be available. Nice that the club will have showers available for any passengers connecting through the airport.


What is with the cone of silence around the United Club opening date?


No firm date other sometime in Q1 2020. I've heard sometime in March is most likely.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:32 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
msycajun wrote:
SNN707 wrote:
DE potential buyers emerge. Not too impressed. But the loan clock is ticking. I'm not sure how any of them can solve the inadequate and very aging fleet situation. DE can't survive long term leasing from the likes of Omni.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thom ... SKBN1ZF2GT


LOT seems like it would be a relatively seamless buyout. They codeshare with many of the same airlines and LOT would be able to offer some connections on its own metal out of FRA and MUC. Plus they already have a decent sized 787 fleet, which would be a good 767 replacement and offer some economies of scale. Replacing DE's 757s and 320s with the MAX could give them some leverage to get a good deal on 787s.


Agreed concerning LOT. When I saw them among the bidders, they felt like the most logical choice. They are already in Star Alliance and have the capacity to replace the aging DE fleet.


Of the three, LOT seems to have the most upside. They are trying to expand in North America and maybe DE can make that happen faster. With the impending mega new WAW airport, they could hit the ground running when it opens.

I don't know how well a short term dual WAW/FRA hub would work given they would be a direct *A competitor in LH's FRA backyard. Now if you really want to get into conspiracy theories, FRA and MUC are runway growth and nighttime ops limited. I'm sure the new WAW won't have that issue. Wouldn't it make a LOT of sense for LH to buy them in a few years and get DE as a gift?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:34 pm

SNN707 wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
msycajun wrote:

LOT seems like it would be a relatively seamless buyout. They codeshare with many of the same airlines and LOT would be able to offer some connections on its own metal out of FRA and MUC. Plus they already have a decent sized 787 fleet, which would be a good 767 replacement and offer some economies of scale. Replacing DE's 757s and 320s with the MAX could give them some leverage to get a good deal on 787s.


Agreed concerning LOT. When I saw them among the bidders, they felt like the most logical choice. They are already in Star Alliance and have the capacity to replace the aging DE fleet.


Of the three, LOT seems to have the most upside. They are trying to expand in North America and maybe DE can make that happen faster. With the impending mega new WAW airport, they could hit the ground running when it opens.

I don't know how well a short term dual WAW/FRA hub would work given they would be a direct *A competitor in LH's FRA backyard. Now if you really want to get into conspiracy theories, FRA and MUC are runway growth and nighttime ops limited. I'm sure the new WAW won't have that issue. Wouldn't it make a LOT of sense for LH to buy them in a few years and get DE as a gift?


Seriously doubt EU regulators would approve of that final thought with or without DE. In reality, Apollo is probably the most likely buyer at this point. Deep pockets that can pump some money into DE allowing for a fleet refresh that will improve costs in the long run.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:48 pm

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The airport posted its November numbers as well.
https://www.flymsy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Airline-Statistics-November-2019.pdf

Domestic travel was down very slightly, which matches most airports as the Sunday after Thanksgiving fell in December. International was up about 20% y-o-y which is great to see. Should be on track for around 13.6 million for 2019.


No change in ranking from October. MSY remains the 38th busiest airport in the nation firmly positioned between RDU and OAK.

Air Transat (TS) started service to YUL in November. 2x weekly flight on a 738. Will use that seat count for my estimates. Solid start for the service, and it's easy to see why it extended to year round service so quickly.

Estimated international carrier load factor (November):

AC: 94.7% full outbound (MSY-YYZ) 2160 pax/2280 seats
87.8% full inbound (YYZ-MSY) 2002 pax/2280 seats
91.3% full combined 4162 pax/4560 seats

BA: 88.5% full outbound (MSY-LHR) 3975 pax/4494 seats
82.5% full inbound (LHR-MSY) 3707 pax/4494 seats
85.5% full combined 7682 pax/8988 seats

CM: 73.8% full outbound (MSY-PTY) 1555 pax/2108 seats
82.3% full inbound (PTY-MSY) 1735 pax/2108 seats
78.0% full combined 3290 pax/4216 seats

TS: 76.3% full outbound (MSY-YUL) 1153 pax/1512 seats
84.3% full inbound (YUL-MSY) 1275 pax/1512 seats
80.3% full combined 2428 pax/3024 seats
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:56 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
msycajun wrote:
The airport posted its November numbers as well.
https://www.flymsy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Airline-Statistics-November-2019.pdf

Domestic travel was down very slightly, which matches most airports as the Sunday after Thanksgiving fell in December. International was up about 20% y-o-y which is great to see. Should be on track for around 13.6 million for 2019.


No change in ranking from October. MSY remains the 38th busiest airport in the nation firmly positioned between RDU and OAK.

Air Transat (TS) started service to YUL in November. 2x weekly flight on a 738. Will use that seat count for my estimates. Solid start for the service, and it's easy to see why it extended to year round service so quickly.

Estimated international carrier load factor (November):

AC: 94.7% full outbound (MSY-YYZ) 2160 pax/2280 seats
87.8% full inbound (YYZ-MSY) 2002 pax/2280 seats
91.3% full combined 4162 pax/4560 seats

BA: 88.5% full outbound (MSY-LHR) 3975 pax/4494 seats
82.5% full inbound (LHR-MSY) 3707 pax/4494 seats
85.5% full combined 7682 pax/8988 seats

CM: 73.8% full outbound (MSY-PTY) 1555 pax/2108 seats
82.3% full inbound (PTY-MSY) 1735 pax/2108 seats
78.0% full combined 3290 pax/4216 seats

TS: 76.3% full outbound (MSY-YUL) 1153 pax/1512 seats
84.3% full inbound (YUL-MSY) 1275 pax/1512 seats
80.3% full combined 2428 pax/3024 seats


You're probably correct in Apollo. One thing for certain with any buyer is the immediate need for new metal for 2021. I'll be very curious to see the reactions to the Omni 767s, especially in "faux J".
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:54 pm

Air Transat (TS) flying an A332 today. Should arrive in an hour. Hope someone can get some good shots!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TSC ... /CYUL/KMSY
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:07 am

NolaMD88fan wrote:
Air Transat (TS) flying an A332 today. Should arrive in an hour. Hope someone can get some good shots!

Great shot of it together with a CM 738 at the international concourse, from a local photographer on the MSY spotters' Fbook page:

Image
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:33 am

LAX772LR wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
Air Transat (TS) flying an A332 today. Should arrive in an hour. Hope someone can get some good shots!

Great shot of it together with a CM 738 at the international concourse, from a local photographer on the MSY spotters' Fbook page:

Image


Excellent!
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:52 am

Here is how our TATL routes compared to all other TATL routes from peer FAA defined medium hub airports in July and year to date.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

July-
MSY-FRA ranked 23rd out of 24 routes in pax count falling between DE's PIT-FRA and FI's ANC-KEF routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 17th out of 24 routes in pax count falling between BA's PIT-LHR and EW's RSW-DUS routes.

MSY-FRA ranked 7th out of 24 routes for load factor falling between EI's BDL-DUB and DY's OAK-CDG routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 21st out of 24 routes for load factor falling between DL's IND-CDG and LH's AUS-FRA routes.

YTD-
MSY-FRA ranked 24th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between DE's PIT-FRA and FI's ANC-KEF routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 8th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between BA's BNA-LHR and DL's IND-CDG routes.

MSY-FRA ranked 3rd out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DI's AUS-LGW and DY's OAK-BCN routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 16th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between BA's SJC-LHR and DL's RDU-CDG routes.

For all routes with continuous service from January through July, MSY-LHR ranked 6th out of 12 routes for load factor.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:42 am

NolaMD88fan wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
Air Transat (TS) flying an A332 today. Should arrive in an hour. Hope someone can get some good shots!

Great shot of it together with a CM 738 at the international concourse, from a local photographer on the MSY spotters' Fbook page:

Image


Excellent!


Was this a one-off flight due to a cruise package? Makes you wonder, we had zero service to YUL, then seasonal, then year-round at times with a A321. Now this, all in a very short time. Were the planners that wrong about YUL service for all those years? Glad it's doing well.

Per the comment on WestJet - I could totally see service to YVR or YYC do well, esp in summer with MSY pax heading north and Canadians heading south in winter (or to connect once WS gets Asia flights going). I also think PDX would be a success, but we may have to wait for the MAX to return to service on WN.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:18 am

SNN707 wrote:
Was this a one-off flight due to a cruise package?

No. The normal 738 went tech, so this ship was brought in 4hrs later.



SNN707 wrote:
Makes you wonder, we had zero service to YUL, then seasonal, then year-round at times with a A321. Now this, all in a very short time. Were the planners that wrong about YUL service for all those years?

In terms of volume, the numbers in favor of YUL-MSY have been there for quite a while now; estimating the yield is a bit trickier.
That said, the airline seems quite pleased with the flights' maturity. Be interesting to see what happens if the merger goes through.



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Per the comment on WestJet - I could totally see service to YVR or YYC do well

Have trouble envisioning YVR any time soon, since ATL and MCO are the only places in the south/southeast that have yearround nonstops to that destination.

What's left of the oil industry in MSY might support YYC a few days per week though, on something small.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:35 pm

YVR would be a tough sell, especially with AS flying 2x daily just down the road in SEA. Easy drive up to Vancouver from there.

I see YYC working the same as the current YUL service. 2x weekly to start much like the service currently flying to BNA and AUS.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:56 pm

flew out thursday and back in saturday and I must say the cleanliness is getting better, still a ways to go but much better. Also, it was nice to see all the concessions i walked through were clean, tvs were working etc. all staff that i interacted with were great... the CLEAR lines were very well staffed for those that are members and those wishing to join..


All in all very pleased with all the kinks worked out... the only major thing I see as a remaining problem from a dirty looking perspective are the giant white columns.. something needs to be added to the bottom of most of them because they are impossible to keep from getting marked up
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:39 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
flew out thursday and back in saturday and I must say the cleanliness is getting better, still a ways to go but much better. Also, it was nice to see all the concessions i walked through were clean, tvs were working etc. all staff that i interacted with were great... the CLEAR lines were very well staffed for those that are members and those wishing to join..


All in all very pleased with all the kinks worked out... the only major thing I see as a remaining problem from a dirty looking perspective are the giant white columns.. something needs to be added to the bottom of most of them because they are impossible to keep from getting marked up



And the floors. There are way too many tire/wheel/scuff marks on the brand new polished cement floors in the concourses and particularly the bottom floor outside of baggage claim.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:36 pm

Aviation board reports that food and beverage revenue was up 46% in December. Should help to keep CPE low and attract more service.
https://neworleanscitybusiness.com/blog/2020/01/21/new-orleans-airport-reports-spike-in-revenue-at-new-terminal/
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:36 pm

Nola wrote:
DJSNOLA wrote:
flew out thursday and back in saturday and I must say the cleanliness is getting better, still a ways to go but much better. Also, it was nice to see all the concessions i walked through were clean, tvs were working etc. all staff that i interacted with were great... the CLEAR lines were very well staffed for those that are members and those wishing to join..


All in all very pleased with all the kinks worked out... the only major thing I see as a remaining problem from a dirty looking perspective are the giant white columns.. something needs to be added to the bottom of most of them because they are impossible to keep from getting marked up



And the floors. There are way too many tire/wheel/scuff marks on the brand new polished cement floors in the concourses and particularly the bottom floor outside of baggage claim.



the question with the floors is upkeep or is there something else with them that looks dirty? .. but certainly an improvement but when choosing materials for any heavily trafficked facility its always important to plan for wear and tear... thats inevitable
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:54 pm

msycajun wrote:
Aviation board reports that food and beverage revenue was up 46% in December. Should help to keep CPE low and attract more service.
https://neworleanscitybusiness.com/blog/2020/01/21/new-orleans-airport-reports-spike-in-revenue-at-new-terminal/




Since the new terminal opened, some people have said there aren’t many food options outside the security checkpoint, according to the newspaper. .


who would more pre security options serve besides airport employees working presecurity? couldnt they just give those workers passes to go eat past security is this is an issue ?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:59 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
msycajun wrote:
Aviation board reports that food and beverage revenue was up 46% in December. Should help to keep CPE low and attract more service.
https://neworleanscitybusiness.com/blog/2020/01/21/new-orleans-airport-reports-spike-in-revenue-at-new-terminal/




Since the new terminal opened, some people have said there aren’t many food options outside the security checkpoint, according to the newspaper. .


who would more pre security options serve besides airport employees working presecurity? couldnt they just give those workers passes to go eat past security is this is an issue ?


Glad to see the big gains in concessions revenue. It will definitely help keep the CPE lower. I'm still waiting to see what NK does when they finally decide to extend their schedule beyond early June. It should be happening soon, and I am hoping we get an international route announced.

It would serve very few people, that is why there isn't a restaurant before security. The coffee shop and Brother's convenience store should suffice for anyone waiting to meet an arriving passenger.

Any airport or airline employee will have gone through a rigorous enough review to access the food options post-security. Typically those workers switch between post and pre-security areas throughout the day anyway. They also have break rooms available for those employees that choose to save money and bring food to work.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:17 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
DJSNOLA wrote:
msycajun wrote:
Aviation board reports that food and beverage revenue was up 46% in December. Should help to keep CPE low and attract more service.
https://neworleanscitybusiness.com/blog/2020/01/21/new-orleans-airport-reports-spike-in-revenue-at-new-terminal/




Since the new terminal opened, some people have said there aren’t many food options outside the security checkpoint, according to the newspaper. .


who would more pre security options serve besides airport employees working presecurity? couldnt they just give those workers passes to go eat past security is this is an issue ?


Glad to see the big gains in concessions revenue. It will definitely help keep the CPE lower. I'm still waiting to see what NK does when they finally decide to extend their schedule beyond early June. It should be happening soon, and I am hoping we get an international route announced.

It would serve very few people, that is why there isn't a restaurant before security. The coffee shop and Brother's convenience store should suffice for anyone waiting to meet an arriving passenger.

Any airport or airline employee will have gone through a rigorous enough review to access the food options post-security. Typically those workers switch between post and pre-security areas throughout the day anyway. They also have break rooms available for those employees that choose to save money and bring food to work.


On our last flight out, the restaurants/bar seating areas were packed, but so was the gate seating. I was watching several ppl who obviously were not eating or drinking, but just using the seating to wait for their flight. I'm a bit concerned that as pax counts rise over time, this will be more prevalent and the concessions will begin to take hits as ppl won't drink or eat if they cant sit.

JW, is there any usable free space on the concourse ground level that could be used for extra "overflow" seating? From some of the earlier drawings, it looks like it.
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