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DJSNOLA
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:34 pm

SNN707 wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
DJSNOLA wrote:





who would more pre security options serve besides airport employees working presecurity? couldnt they just give those workers passes to go eat past security is this is an issue ?


Glad to see the big gains in concessions revenue. It will definitely help keep the CPE lower. I'm still waiting to see what NK does when they finally decide to extend their schedule beyond early June. It should be happening soon, and I am hoping we get an international route announced.

It would serve very few people, that is why there isn't a restaurant before security. The coffee shop and Brother's convenience store should suffice for anyone waiting to meet an arriving passenger.

Any airport or airline employee will have gone through a rigorous enough review to access the food options post-security. Typically those workers switch between post and pre-security areas throughout the day anyway. They also have break rooms available for those employees that choose to save money and bring food to work.


On our last flight out, the restaurants/bar seating areas were packed, but so was the gate seating. I was watching several ppl who obviously were not eating or drinking, but just using the seating to wait for their flight. I'm a bit concerned that as pax counts rise over time, this will be more prevalent and the concessions will begin to take hits as ppl won't drink or eat if they cant sit.

JW, is there any usable free space on the concourse ground level that could be used for extra "overflow" seating? From some of the earlier drawings, it looks like it.



well considering that the United Lounge will at ground level there could always be some extra space below that . also I really think the opening the two lounges along with the mac store and spa, as well as vino volo and the huge market there that it will further spread people out.. that said i was never rude enough a person to go sit at a restaurant or bar and not eat or drink there at least some of the time i was there.. does anyone know what the protocol is on that? id certainly ask someone to leave if they werent a patron
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:42 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
well considering that the United Lounge will at ground level there could always be some extra space below that . also I really think the opening the two lounges along with the mac store and spa, as well as vino volo and the huge market there that it will further spread people out.. that said i was never rude enough a person to go sit at a restaurant or bar and not eat or drink there at least some of the time i was there.. does anyone know what the protocol is on that? id certainly ask someone to leave if they werent a patron


The lounges will definitely help when they open up over the coming weeks. Concourse A also usually sits empty, so for those willing to make the trek, there are plenty of seats over there. That's what we did the last time we flew out. It was nice and quiet over there. We headed to our gate at B15 about 15 minutes before boarding time, and made it there a few minutes before boarding began.

As far as restaurants go at airports, my experience has been that only patrons who are eating or drinking are allowed to sit in a restaurant space. It is this way at all of the hubs I travel through including MIA, CLT, DFW, and ATL. If that is not the case at MSY, I imagine that it soon will be.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:36 pm

Looks like NK is loading their summer schedule today. As far as I can tell, everything at MSY remains and MSY-MCO goes 2 daily from April 22.
 
NolaMD88fan
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:28 pm

Taxiway G extension work must be starting soon. We are in the planning stages of moving our weather observation equipment for a third time. The taxiway will pass directly over where we have our equipment right now.

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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:07 pm

LOT buying DE. Should be completed by April. 20 new aircraft headed to DE to replace aging fleet. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thom ... SKBN1ZN0OA
 
DJSNOLA
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:20 pm

seems like the best option tooo good news
 
SNN707
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:39 pm

Crazy thought here and it does impact MSY due to WN being a major player. If the MAX issues become terminal, does anyone think the Boeing could build A320s under license from Airbus under a JV? The thought being that Airbus no where near has the capacity to fill all the MAX orders, and that Asian airlines (and others) may look to the Chinese (COMAC) to quickly fill orders to meet capacity.

At this point, 20 years down the road, Boeing won't be Airbus' main competitor, it will be the Russians and Chinese. Rather than Airbus fight a phyrric war vs Boeing in the single aisle mkt, I could see them create a JV to develop a new 320/737 aircraft line together (A797?) to counter the RUS-CHN threat. Margins are much slimmer on the smaller aircraft and BA/AB can never compete on price alone. They'll need a much better and more efficient plane. By merging their know-how they can really save on development costs together, and bring the unit costs down.

Again, just a crazy thought.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:57 pm

Another forum reporting a confirmed opening date for the United Club of February 29, 2020.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:02 pm

QB504 wrote:
Another forum reporting a confirmed opening date for the United Club of February 29, 2020.


Glad to finally have a date. It will be the largest club at MSY when it opens.
 
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Re: NewSeptember 2019 domestic and June 2019 international load factors and passenger numbers Orleans Aviation Thread -

Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:04 pm

October 2019 domestic and July 2019 international load factors and passenger numbers by route have been calculated.

International load factor for all carriers in July was 80.9%. Hurricane Barry shut down the airport for 3 days, and this resulted in a decline in both seat and passenger count for nearly all routes. Passenger traffic fell by -11.1% and seat count fell by -9.4% resulting in a -1.6% decrease in load factor year over year.

July International route seat count(%change), pax count(%change), and load factor(change)

Airline............Seats.............................Pax..........................LF
AC................4,560(-3.1%).................3,632(-5.5%)..........79.6%(-2.1%)
BA................8,350(-9.3%)..................6,489(-12.3%).......77.7%(-2.7%)
CM...............4,378(-1.9%)..................3,604(-12.5%)........82.3%(-10.0%)
DE................4,478(-2.4%)..................4,043(-1.4%).........90.3%(+0.9%)
UA...................996(-25.0%)...................914(-15.6%).......91.8%(+10.2%)
WN...............1,001(-12.5%)...................797(-7.6%).........79.6%(+4.2%)
WQ...............1,044(+53.8%)..................583(+63.3%)......55.8%(+3.2%)

Domestically in October, airport-wide seat count grew by 9.6%, and pax traffic increased by 5.8% resulting in a -2.9% decrease in load factors to 81.4%. WN's MSY-DEN route had the best loads of the month at 91.9%. SY's MSY-PVD route had the worst loads of the month at 50.9%. G4 started service to GRR, and this route had a load factor of 54.9% in its first month. NK also started service to BNA, and this route had a load factor of 54.0%.

October Domestic route seat count(% change), pax count(%change), and load factor(change):

Airline.................Seats..............................Pax............................LF
AS................30.914(+48.1%)............25,172(+36.7%).......81.4%(-6.8%)
AA..............225,714(+9.6%).............186,069(+5.0%)........82.4%(-3.6%)
B6................55,492(+10.7%)............43,467(+2.5%).........78.3%(-6.2%)
DL..............239,018(+6.1%).............198,252(+2.1%)........82.9%(-3.3%)
F9................35,082(+4.8%)...............29,045(+0.4%)........82.8%(-3.7%)
G4................14,460(+115.8%)............9,868(+85.5%).......68.2%(-14.0%)
NK..............181,694(+35.3%)..........149,104(+28.3%).......82.1%(-4.4%)
UA..............198,407(+6.1%)............161,619(+0.2%).........81.5%(-4.8%)
WN.............532,837(+2.6%)............430,058(+1.9%).........80.7%(-0.5%)

Domestic
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E9rmJybgx62zThKL7FM9L53IOgxRhYEFSwGjW7KSHNw/edit?usp=sharing

International
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f_6DXIGr6PSyokEb5zZ_1OmdCwaesNjL2vt_N0BdigU/edit?usp=sharing
 
DJSNOLA
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:22 pm

With British Airways canceling all flights to China for the time being , any chance some of these planes can be put to use serving NOLA?
 
NolaMD88fan
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:50 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
With British Airways canceling all flights to China for the time being , any chance some of these planes can be put to use serving NOLA?


I wouldn't expect it.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:27 pm

Guess depends on the duration of the cancellation but surely all these airlines will want to do something with these aircraft.. at the least up gauge existing routes with larger aircraft
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:06 pm

I can't see airlines upgaging routes with those frames if they can't support the passenger loads. It doesn't do them any good to fly empty seats. Now, what we might see is some reshuffling of frames while airlines take advantage of the extra capacity to perform inspections/checks/maintenance without disrupting service on other routes.
 
SNN707
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:39 pm

It's a very dynamic situation. There will be a large group of travelers currently scheduled for China/Asia vacations that may want to move their destinations to Europe or South America (or totally cancel). I could see some upgauging on certain routes or even adding freqs.

While they won't blindly add capacity in other areas, they also need to maintain rev to pay for the planes and maintain staff. One thing is for certain, the big boys flying to China/parts of Asia are going to lose a lot of money if the threat drags on for months.

NK and B6 may benefit with the Central/SA routes. If domestic tourism upticks, WN is in a real bind with the MAX constraints.

Biggest fear is pax in general will avoid flying totally considering its a sealed tube with lots of ppl in close proximity. Bad thing all around.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:48 pm

It seems that BA generally has a pretty high rate of cancelations due to 787 issues. Hopefully this allows them to have more spares and catch up on maintenance. Would be cool to see if they added Sunday and Thursday flights around Mardi Gras. Flights from LHR to China are routinely half or less than MSY's fares, so it's a pretty low bar to clear.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:52 am

With the cancellations understandably spreading to other airlines , certainly something to keep an eye on with where some of this extra metal will go.
 
NolaMD88fan
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:03 am

The Club MSY officially opens at 0430 tomorrow. They had a sneak peek today. Nice to have an independent lounge as an option now.

Here are some pictures shared by the airport on FB.

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DJSNOLA
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:14 pm

has it been confirmed that this lounge is open to priority pass members?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:21 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
has it been confirmed that this lounge is open to priority pass members?


Yes.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:51 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
has it been confirmed that this lounge is open to priority pass members?


Confirmed, I used my PP card for access at 8:00 this morning.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:23 am

SNN707 wrote:
just a crazy thought.

Indeed, so let's leave it at that.



DJSNOLA wrote:
With British Airways canceling all flights to China for the time being , any chance some of these planes can be put to use serving NOLA?

They don't even have them cancelled for a rolling 60days yet. Other than a 1off type operation, it's doubtful they'll do anything but mtx or pilot training with such frames; especially with their RR issues combined with their utilization being as high as it currently is.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:32 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
SNN707 wrote:
just a crazy thought.

Indeed, so let's leave it at that.



DJSNOLA wrote:
With British Airways canceling all flights to China for the time being , any chance some of these planes can be put to use serving NOLA?

They don't even have them cancelled for a rolling 60days yet. Other than a 1off type operation, it's doubtful they'll do anything but mtx or pilot training with such frames; especially with their RR issues combined with their utilization being as high as it currently is.


Indeed. They may have the chance to get 1 extra frame in for CWS fit out. But even that is unlikely due to timeframes. There really is no slack in the fleet as it stands so it is highly likely the china flight cancellations will provide a safety net to ops and nothing more
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:46 pm

I'd love to see Sliver start up MSY-MEM/LIT/XNA
 
SNN707
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:09 am

LAX772LR wrote:
SNN707 wrote:
just a crazy thought.

Indeed, so let's leave it at that.

It's crazy, but everything will be crazy if the MAX never flies again. In that SHTF scenario, I can't see Boeing surviving without a partner - and its going to be either the Chinese, the Russians or Airbus. There's no one else. If the MAX flies again, its crazy idea, if not, everything is crazy...

WaywardMemphian wrote:
I'd love to see Sliver start up MSY-MEM/LIT/XNA


MEM and LIT may work. You'd have to have morning and evening flights both ways for business fliers. I'm really riding for MSY-EYW nonstops. I believe the ATRs are rated for overwater ops. MSY-Destin-EYW through service may work too.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:51 am

I flew the WN flight MSY - EWR a few years ago, it was awesome (and full). But I understand WN pulled out of EYW completely.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:46 am

QB504 wrote:
I flew the WN flight MSY - EWR a few years ago, it was awesome (and full). But I understand WN pulled out of EYW completely.


WN doesn't have an aircraft type anymore that can fly out of EYW with a full load. Thats my understanding. With EYW, you can't just run a weekly, you'd have to minimally go 2x to allow for a 3, 4, or 7 night stay. I think an ATR would work there. The economics of EYW are a bit difficult at points of the year.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:56 pm

How about Silver MSY-TUL? Allegiant has also given this route a shot before.
 
SNN707
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:41 pm

I flew out of MSY a few days before The Club lounge opened, and did not see where the elevator/stairs would be to access it. I knew where it should be but it looked like there still was a temp wall up there and where Vino Volo will be.

Were those temp walls removed? And is VV about to open as well?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:52 am

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NolaMD88fan
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:46 am

UK CAA stats are out for December.

https://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/CAA/Content/Standard_Content/Data_and_analysis/Datasets/Airport_stats/Airport_data_2019_12/Table_12_1_Intl_Air_Pax_Traffic_Route_Analysis.pdf

The MSY-LHR route had an estimated load factor of 73.6% in December. There were 6,898 pax flying on an estimated 9,416 offered seats. Last year, the load factor was 73.1% with 5,942 pax flying on an estimated 8,132 offered seats. Pax count increased by 16.1% year over year. For the year, the MSY-LHR route saw a 0.5% increase in passengers and a 1.9% increase in load factor.

All seat estimations for MSY, PIT, and BNA are based on 788 seat count. SJC is based on 789 seat count. BWI was removed as a 777 flew the route in December. It will likely return to the lineup when 2020 data comes out as the 788/789 started flying the route again in January.

The following breaks down the numbers for each station that sees 788/789 flying exclusively.

Station........Dec. Seats.......Dec. Pax..........Dec. LF.......YTD Seats.......YTD Pax......YTD LF
BNA................9,844..............7,745...............78.7%.......124,904...........100,918........80.8%
MSY................9,416..............6,898...............73.3%.......107,428.............86,390........80.4%
CHS..................N/A.................N/A................N/A.............24,396.............19,503........79.9%
PIT..................7,704..............5,717...............75.2%.........65,484.............51,602........78.8%
SJC...............13,392..............7,918..............59.1%........149,904...........117,896........78.7%
 
SNN707
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:46 am

Last weekend, a BA B747 set a new subsonic New York-London TATL speed record of 4h56m due to a 200mph jetstream.

Also last weekend, BA224 from MSY to LHR did a blazing 8h5m. Makes the 3-3-3 a little more bearable...

https://weather.com/news/news/2020-02-0 ... ecord-time

On another note, BA will be running a 789 tomorrow.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:00 pm

SNN707 wrote:
Last weekend, a BA B747 set a new subsonic New York-London TATL speed record of 4h56m due to a 200mph jetstream.

Also last weekend, BA224 from MSY to LHR did a blazing 8h5m. Makes the 3-3-3 a little more bearable...

https://weather.com/news/news/2020-02-0 ... ecord-time

On another note, BA will be running a 789 tomorrow.


Speedbird(s) indeed.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:46 pm

Not necessarily aviation related, but a little birdie told me that we should expect an announcement from Viking River Cruises in New Orleans within the next two months. I'd imagine a fall start. Should drive some higher-end air traffic.
 
SNN707
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:44 pm

msycajun wrote:
Not necessarily aviation related, but a little birdie told me that we should expect an announcement from Viking River Cruises in New Orleans within the next two months. I'd imagine a fall start. Should drive some higher-end air traffic.


I'll hold my breath with Viking until I hear the whistle blow. On the other hand, river cruising is getting more popular worldwide. I welcome competition as Miss River cruises make Disney fares look cheap. Its not a lot of cabins, like a sea cruise, but those pax are well-heeled and likely to spend extra nights in NOLA and fly first class raising yields.

What I would really like to see is a European cruise line like AIDA or TUI cruises homeport a ship in NOLA. Then we're talking TATL business.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:10 am

WN's nonstop MSY-OAK service weekends only for the summer, I assume due to the MAX grounding.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:24 am

FlyingMSY wrote:
WN's nonstop MSY-OAK service weekends only for the summer, I assume due to the MAX grounding.


Yup. All due to the MAX grounding. This route will be back to daily once the MAX is flying again.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:19 pm

SNN707 wrote:
Last weekend, a BA B747 set a new subsonic New York-London TATL speed record of 4h56m due to a 200mph jetstream.

Also last weekend, BA224 from MSY to LHR did a blazing 8h5m. Makes the 3-3-3 a little more bearable...

https://weather.com/news/news/2020-02-0 ... ecord-time

On another note, BA will be running a 789 tomorrow.



why does this never happen to a flight im on.. usually its the opposite and i end up flying into the wind and it takes longer...
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:32 pm

United Club signage is up at the entrance by C5, shouldn't be long now.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:18 am

https://news.sky.com/story/boeing-admit ... e-11937553

Boeing finding debris in some MAX fuel tanks is troubling, but not a design issue. At least they are being transparent about this production issue and are working to fix this in all aspects of production. Now is this poor construction practice or disgruntled workers? At any rate, Boeing and its employees need to bat 1.000 from here on out.

Its greatly affecting MSYs biggest airline, and service is beginning to suffer. I think the MAX will be a safe plane once the FAA approves it and Boeing will have to eat the additional training costs which started the MCAS fiasco in the first place.

The way forward for Boeing will be to produce good airplanes, and plan for a clean sheet 737 replacement that will allow them to compete with the A320. And get the Embraer deal done so it can integrate the E2 in its product lineup similar to the A220.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:28 pm

SNN707 wrote:
https://news.sky.com/story/boeing-admits-debris-found-inside-fuel-tanks-of-737-max-planes-is-unacceptable-11937553

Boeing finding debris in some MAX fuel tanks is troubling, but not a design issue. At least they are being transparent about this production issue and are working to fix this in all aspects of production. Now is this poor construction practice or disgruntled workers? At any rate, Boeing and its employees need to bat 1.000 from here on out.

Its greatly affecting MSYs biggest airline, and service is beginning to suffer. I think the MAX will be a safe plane once the FAA approves it and Boeing will have to eat the additional training costs which started the MCAS fiasco in the first place.

The way forward for Boeing will be to produce good airplanes, and plan for a clean sheet 737 replacement that will allow them to compete with the A320. And get the Embraer deal done so it can integrate the E2 in its product lineup similar to the A220.



Boeing better get on top of this asap because I can say this, if one Max goes down after being approved again it will destroy the company.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:29 pm

QB504 wrote:
United Club signage is up at the entrance by C5, shouldn't be long now.



Awesome and thanks for the update. Any new on Vino Volo, EJE duty free, MAC or Be Relax?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:51 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
QB504 wrote:
United Club signage is up at the entrance by C5, shouldn't be long now.



Awesome and thanks for the update. Any new on Vino Volo, EJE duty free, MAC or Be Relax?


I'm flying in a couple of weeks, so I'll look to see if they are open.

Also, the feds granted some money to the airport for the taxiway G extension project. I would expect that project to start up soon now that the grant money is in hand.

CM is also cutting back to 3x weekly starting in April. This is likely due to aircraft constraints related to the MAX grounding. The Monday inbound/Tuesday outbound service is being cut. Hopefully, it will come back when the MAX begins flying again.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:56 pm

SNN707 wrote:
msycajun wrote:
Not necessarily aviation related, but a little birdie told me that we should expect an announcement from Viking River Cruises in New Orleans within the next two months. I'd imagine a fall start. Should drive some higher-end air traffic.


I'll hold my breath with Viking until I hear the whistle blow. On the other hand, river cruising is getting more popular worldwide. I welcome competition as Miss River cruises make Disney fares look cheap. Its not a lot of cabins, like a sea cruise, but those pax are well-heeled and likely to spend extra nights in NOLA and fly first class raising yields.

What I would really like to see is a European cruise line like AIDA or TUI cruises homeport a ship in NOLA. Then we're talking TATL business.


It is very unlikely a foreign flagged ship could do a river cruise here. There are restrictions on foreign flagged lines and ships operating between US ports. At least one foreign port must be on the itinerary. Like Princess cruises on the west coast must stop in Ensenada.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:04 am

msycajun wrote:
Not necessarily aviation related, but a little birdie told me that we should expect an announcement from Viking River Cruises in New Orleans within the next two months. I'd imagine a fall start. Should drive some higher-end air traffic.


I don't think this year at any point but for 2022. Heard two ships built and owned by an US shipbuilder to meet US maritime law along with US citizens staffing. These will will be big river boats at about 400 passengers and 5 levels. They are signing docking agreements up and down the Mississippi. Maybe you to 6 boats by 2028 but the market has grown bigtime. Outside of NO, Memphis is the next largest start/stop point, one reason I wish Silver crank up that route so that one can get back to where they started if they drove or flew in.

I have long opined that Disney should have a riverboat or two on the Mississippi and build a Marvel (sans Disney) base theme park on the west side of the river to get around the Universal exclusive use east of the Mississippi deal.With the big boats now calling on NO, I still think they should.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:01 am

The new airline started by the founder of B6 will be called "Breeze". Fleet will consist of E195s on lease and purchased A220s. Will be using a model similar to G8 when it started. Let's hope MSY is in the route plan.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:35 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:
msycajun wrote:
Not necessarily aviation related, but a little birdie told me that we should expect an announcement from Viking River Cruises in New Orleans within the next two months. I'd imagine a fall start. Should drive some higher-end air traffic.


I don't think this year at any point but for 2022. Heard two ships built and owned by an US shipbuilder to meet US maritime law along with US citizens staffing. These will will be big river boats at about 400 passengers and 5 levels. They are signing docking agreements up and down the Mississippi. Maybe you to 6 boats by 2028 but the market has grown bigtime. Outside of NO, Memphis is the next largest start/stop point, one reason I wish Silver crank up that route so that one can get back to where they started if they drove or flew in.

I have long opined that Disney should have a riverboat or two on the Mississippi and build a Marvel (sans Disney) base theme park on the west side of the river to get around the Universal exclusive use east of the Mississippi deal.With the big boats now calling on NO, I still think they should.


Ah, now THIS is how you’d deal with the cruise restrictions. US built (and flagged, I think?) ships. I’ll be watching this, because we love cruises and would love to do river cruises right here in the US.

I sure hope the fares are less expensive than American Cruise Lines. The prices were WAY higher than the major cruise lines. For example, an 8 day lower Mississippi cruise is $4,600 pp. A 7 day Princess cruise LA to Mexico is $900 pp.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:54 pm

AirFiero wrote:
WaywardMemphian wrote:
msycajun wrote:
Not necessarily aviation related, but a little birdie told me that we should expect an announcement from Viking River Cruises in New Orleans within the next two months. I'd imagine a fall start. Should drive some higher-end air traffic.


I don't think this year at any point but for 2022. Heard two ships built and owned by an US shipbuilder to meet US maritime law along with US citizens staffing. These will will be big river boats at about 400 passengers and 5 levels. They are signing docking agreements up and down the Mississippi. Maybe you to 6 boats by 2028 but the market has grown bigtime. Outside of NO, Memphis is the next largest start/stop point, one reason I wish Silver crank up that route so that one can get back to where they started if they drove or flew in.

I have long opined that Disney should have a riverboat or two on the Mississippi and build a Marvel (sans Disney) base theme park on the west side of the river to get around the Universal exclusive use east of the Mississippi deal.With the big boats now calling on NO, I still think they should.


Ah, now THIS is how you’d deal with the cruise restrictions. US built (and flagged, I think?) ships. I’ll be watching this, because we love cruises and would love to do river cruises right here in the US.

I sure hope the fares are less expensive than American Cruise Lines. The prices were WAY higher than the major cruise lines. For example, an 8 day lower Mississippi cruise is $4,600 pp. A 7 day Princess cruise LA to Mexico is $900 pp.


I was probably too optimistic when I said fall of this year, but I wouldn't be surprised to see something start in 2021. Everything I've seen indicates upper Mississippi cruises starting in 2022, and the N.O.-Memphis ones should be well before that. I believe the rumor to be very credible that a major announcement is due in the next month or two. The current plan is certainly to have a U.S. company (last I heard was Edison Chouest) build and operate them while Viking does the marketing. I don't have insider knowledge on how far along that is though.

And I wouldn't expect them to be any less expensive than the current river cruises. River crews are paid in some cases several times more than the foreign ones and virtually everything else is going to be more expensive than in Caribbean ports. River travel is significantly more energy intensive than ocean, plus you are spreading the costs over significantly fewer passengers.

Now what would be nice is if Viking decided to add an ocean going ship to complement the river cruises. That would draw in plenty of air traffic as well.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:19 pm

msycajun wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
WaywardMemphian wrote:

I don't think this year at any point but for 2022. Heard two ships built and owned by an US shipbuilder to meet US maritime law along with US citizens staffing. These will will be big river boats at about 400 passengers and 5 levels. They are signing docking agreements up and down the Mississippi. Maybe you to 6 boats by 2028 but the market has grown bigtime. Outside of NO, Memphis is the next largest start/stop point, one reason I wish Silver crank up that route so that one can get back to where they started if they drove or flew in.

I have long opined that Disney should have a riverboat or two on the Mississippi and build a Marvel (sans Disney) base theme park on the west side of the river to get around the Universal exclusive use east of the Mississippi deal.With the big boats now calling on NO, I still think they should.


Ah, now THIS is how you’d deal with the cruise restrictions. US built (and flagged, I think?) ships. I’ll be watching this, because we love cruises and would love to do river cruises right here in the US.

I sure hope the fares are less expensive than American Cruise Lines. The prices were WAY higher than the major cruise lines. For example, an 8 day lower Mississippi cruise is $4,600 pp. A 7 day Princess cruise LA to Mexico is $900 pp.


I was probably too optimistic when I said fall of this year, but I wouldn't be surprised to see something start in 2021. Everything I've seen indicates upper Mississippi cruises starting in 2022, and the N.O.-Memphis ones should be well before that. I believe the rumor to be very credible that a major announcement is due in the next month or two. The current plan is certainly to have a U.S. company (last I heard was Edison Chouest) build and operate them while Viking does the marketing. I don't have insider knowledge on how far along that is though.

And I wouldn't expect them to be any less expensive than the current river cruises. River crews are paid in some cases several times more than the foreign ones and virtually everything else is going to be more expensive than in Caribbean ports. River travel is significantly more energy intensive than ocean, plus you are spreading the costs over significantly fewer passengers.

Now what would be nice is if Viking decided to add an ocean going ship to complement the river cruises. That would draw in plenty of air traffic as well.



They have to build the ships. They may start booking late this year or in 2021 but I'm placing my bets on 2022

https://www.cruisecritic.com/news/5115/


Have you heard about the planned container port in Memphis at the site of the old coal fired TVA power plant. Apparently there's vessel that's being designed for this.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bizjou ... t.amp.html
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:08 pm

msycajun wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
WaywardMemphian wrote:

I don't think this year at any point but for 2022. Heard two ships built and owned by an US shipbuilder to meet US maritime law along with US citizens staffing. These will will be big river boats at about 400 passengers and 5 levels. They are signing docking agreements up and down the Mississippi. Maybe you to 6 boats by 2028 but the market has grown bigtime. Outside of NO, Memphis is the next largest start/stop point, one reason I wish Silver crank up that route so that one can get back to where they started if they drove or flew in.

I have long opined that Disney should have a riverboat or two on the Mississippi and build a Marvel (sans Disney) base theme park on the west side of the river to get around the Universal exclusive use east of the Mississippi deal.With the big boats now calling on NO, I still think they should.


Ah, now THIS is how you’d deal with the cruise restrictions. US built (and flagged, I think?) ships. I’ll be watching this, because we love cruises and would love to do river cruises right here in the US.

I sure hope the fares are less expensive than American Cruise Lines. The prices were WAY higher than the major cruise lines. For example, an 8 day lower Mississippi cruise is $4,600 pp. A 7 day Princess cruise LA to Mexico is $900 pp.


I was probably too optimistic when I said fall of this year, but I wouldn't be surprised to see something start in 2021. Everything I've seen indicates upper Mississippi cruises starting in 2022, and the N.O.-Memphis ones should be well before that. I believe the rumor to be very credible that a major announcement is due in the next month or two. The current plan is certainly to have a U.S. company (last I heard was Edison Chouest) build and operate them while Viking does the marketing. I don't have insider knowledge on how far along that is though.

And I wouldn't expect them to be any less expensive than the current river cruises. River crews are paid in some cases several times more than the foreign ones and virtually everything else is going to be more expensive than in Caribbean ports. River travel is significantly more energy intensive than ocean, plus you are spreading the costs over significantly fewer passengers.

Now what would be nice is if Viking decided to add an ocean going ship to complement the river cruises. That would draw in plenty of air traffic as well.


Good comments. I'm wondering how big the river cruise market actually is - we will find out. Viking is the gorilla in the room and has international marketing power. They dont plan to be anything but #1. It also makes perfect sense for 1st time river cruisers to try the domestic product then sell them the European cruise.

Good for MSY as there should be a high percentage of fly-ins for Viking. But I can't see the Viking ocean ship here - the Caribbean is saturated with cruise options. Only if they are extended voyages which reach ports further than the current offerings, such as Colombia, the Canal, Aruba. Costa Rica. That may work.
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