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WaywardMemphian
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:48 pm

SNN707 wrote:
msycajun wrote:
AirFiero wrote:

Ah, now THIS is how you’d deal with the cruise restrictions. US built (and flagged, I think?) ships. I’ll be watching this, because we love cruises and would love to do river cruises right here in the US.

I sure hope the fares are less expensive than American Cruise Lines. The prices were WAY higher than the major cruise lines. For example, an 8 day lower Mississippi cruise is $4,600 pp. A 7 day Princess cruise LA to Mexico is $900 pp.


I was probably too optimistic when I said fall of this year, but I wouldn't be surprised to see something start in 2021. Everything I've seen indicates upper Mississippi cruises starting in 2022, and the N.O.-Memphis ones should be well before that. I believe the rumor to be very credible that a major announcement is due in the next month or two. The current plan is certainly to have a U.S. company (last I heard was Edison Chouest) build and operate them while Viking does the marketing. I don't have insider knowledge on how far along that is though.

And I wouldn't expect them to be any less expensive than the current river cruises. River crews are paid in some cases several times more than the foreign ones and virtually everything else is going to be more expensive than in Caribbean ports. River travel is significantly more energy intensive than ocean, plus you are spreading the costs over significantly fewer passengers.

Now what would be nice is if Viking decided to add an ocean going ship to complement the river cruises. That would draw in plenty of air traffic as well.


Good comments. I'm wondering how big the river cruise market actually is - we will find out. Viking is the gorilla in the room and has international marketing power. They dont plan to be anything but #1. It also makes perfect sense for 1st time river cruisers to try the domestic product then sell them the European cruise.

Good for MSY as there should be a high percentage of fly-ins for Viking. But I can't see the Viking ocean ship here - the Caribbean is saturated with cruise options. Only if they are extended voyages which reach ports further than the current offerings, such as Colombia, the Canal, Aruba. Costa Rica. That may work.


Disney entered the NO cruise market this year, albeit for a short time frame, the same ship that calls on Galveston and covers the San Diego, Hawaii and Alaska summer season. It comes back for 2021. That is way more family oriented and usually means some kids in tow. Maybe the duration of the service time from NO last a little longer with new ships on the way.

Viking is cranking up Great Lakes cruising as well.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:39 pm

In other news:
NK is adding a second ORD flight from mid April to mid June. Apart from ORD, MCO is also 2 daily during that period and FLL 3 daily. Other routes that have seen greater than 1 daily at various points (mostly for M.G. or the holidays) include DTW, BOS, BWI, TPA, and LAS, so they've certainly been testing the waters here. Also notable is that the schedule is increasingly more connection friendly - not that NK relies on many connections, but it helps MSY punch above its O&D weight. For example the second ORD is a mid-morning arrival and evening departure, which also makes me wonder if something will be added to fill in the gap.

I'm especially curious to see if NK, F9 and G4 will take the opportunity to replace some of the lost MAX capacity on WN routes. OAK/SFO/SJC is a huge opportunity since AS also suspended the route over the summer. PHX/AZA and SAT would also be good opportunities as well as a second IAH, LAX, and BWI for NK.

I've also been wondering if AS joining OW might eventually give MSY the critical mass for an Admirals Club. I'm assuming there is some space to do something similar to the United Club on B and they are already on the same concourse. Hopefully that can lead to more flights as well, particularly PDX.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:58 pm

not sure this means anything or not just curious why they are applying for a liquor license for lafayette and nola:

EXPRESSJET AIRLINES 114 CHAPLIN DR LAFAYETTE LA Lafayette B.28.0093006222-B B.B - CLASS B BEER 2893006222 PENDING 02/26/2020
EXPRESSJET AIRLINES 1 TERMINAL DR KENNER LA Jefferson B.26.0093006223-B B.B - CLASS B BEER 2693006223 PENDING 02/26/2020
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:58 am

November 2019 domestic and August 2019 international load factors and passenger numbers by route have been calculated.

International load factor for all carriers in August was 74.7%. Passenger traffic fell by -2.7% and seat count fell by -5.5% resulting in a 2.1% increase in load factor year over year. CM had the biggest drop in passengers and load factor.

August International route seat count(%change), pax count(%change), and load factor(change)

Airline............Seats.............................Pax..........................LF
AC................4,560(-3.0%).................3,568(+0.5%)..........78.2%(+2.7%)
BA................8,568(-2.7%)..................6,065(+1.9%).........70.8%(+3.2%)
CM...............4,386(-3.7%)..................2,979(-16.8%)........67.9%(-10.7%)
DE................4,450(-3.0%)..................3,883(+0.3%).........87.3%(+2.9%)
UA...................996(-0.0%).....................717(+57.2%).......72.0%(+26.2%)
WN..................286(-10.1%)...................157(-8.2%)..........54.9%(+1.1%)

Domestically in November, airport-wide seat count grew by 6.1%, and pax traffic increased by 0.2% resulting in a -4.6% decrease in load factors to 79.8%. NK's MSY-PHL route had the best loads of the month at 91.6%. NK's MSY-BNA route had the worst loads of the month at 44.9%. F9 started service to CVG, and this route had a load factor of 75.9% in its first month.

November Domestic route seat count(% change), pax count(%change), and load factor(change):

Airline.................Seats..............................Pax............................LF
AS................29,742(+51.7%)............23,608(+39.2%).......79.4%(-7.2%)
AA..............215,327(+5.2%).............167,861(-4.4%).........78.0%(-7.8%)
B6................43,952(+12.1%)............34,605(+3.7%).........78.7%(-6.4%)
DL..............223,487(+4.1%).............185,335(-1.4%).........82.9%(-4.6%)
F9................34,168(-5.1%)................28,938(-4.1%).........84.7%(+0.9%)
G4................13,404(+112.5%)............8,618(+73.1%).......64.3%(-18.5%)
NK..............184,843(+41.5%)..........142,611(+31.0%).......77.2%(-6.2%)
SY..................5,322(-24.2%)...............3,899(-1.5%)..........73.3%(+16.8%)
UA..............188,999(+5.2%)............149,797(-3.0%)..........79.3%(-6.8%)
WN.............499,375(-3.1%).............403,056(-5.6%)..........80.7%(-2.2%)

Domestic
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E9rmJybgx62zThKL7FM9L53IOgxRhYEFSwGjW7KSHNw/edit?usp=sharing

International
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f_6DXIGr6PSyokEb5zZ_1OmdCwaesNjL2vt_N0BdigU/edit?usp=sharing
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:07 pm

A lil offtopic but does anyone know MSY capacity or capabilities to screen arriving passengers for diseases like COVID?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:02 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
A lil offtopic but does anyone know MSY capacity or capabilities to screen arriving passengers for diseases like COVID?


No clue. It's probably something the CDC and LA health dept. would coordinate with the airport if it came to that.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:39 am

Here is how our TATL routes compared to all other TATL routes from peer FAA defined medium hub airports in August and year to date.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pUim6zLou2yi0OrZXam_VbjP4piD9X6G1bGOSez4ODs/edit?usp=sharing

August-
MSY-FRA ranked 22nd out of 24 routes in pax count falling between DE's PIT-FRA and FI's ANC-KEF routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 16th out of 24 routes in pax count falling between DY's OAK-ARN and BA's PIT-LHR routes.

MSY-FRA ranked 9th out of 24 routes for load factor falling between DE's ANC-FRA and DY's OAK-CDG routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 21st out of 24 routes for load factor falling between DL's IND-CDG and LH's AUS-FRA routes.

YTD-
MSY-FRA ranked 24th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between DE's PIT-FRA and FI's ANC-KEF routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 9th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between DL's IND-CDG and EI's BDL-DUB routes.

MSY-FRA ranked 3rd out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DI's AUS-LGW and DY's OAK-BCN routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 18th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DY's OAK-CPH and DL's CVG-CDG routes.

For all routes with continuous service from January through August, MSY-LHR ranked 7th out of 12 routes for load factor.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:35 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
Here is how our TATL routes compared to all other TATL routes from peer FAA defined medium hub airports in August and year to date.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pUim6zLou2yi0OrZXam_VbjP4piD9X6G1bGOSez4ODs/edit?usp=sharing

August-
MSY-FRA ranked 22nd out of 24 routes in pax count falling between DE's PIT-FRA and FI's ANC-KEF routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 16th out of 24 routes in pax count falling between DY's OAK-ARN and BA's PIT-LHR routes.

MSY-FRA ranked 9th out of 24 routes for load factor falling between DE's ANC-FRA and DY's OAK-CDG routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 21st out of 24 routes for load factor falling between DL's IND-CDG and LH's AUS-FRA routes.

YTD-
MSY-FRA ranked 24th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between DE's PIT-FRA and FI's ANC-KEF routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 9th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between DL's IND-CDG and EI's BDL-DUB routes.

MSY-FRA ranked 3rd out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DI's AUS-LGW and DY's OAK-BCN routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 18th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DY's OAK-CPH and DL's CVG-CDG routes.

For all routes with continuous service from January through August, MSY-LHR ranked 7th out of 12 routes for load factor.


Unfortunately, all bets are off with the COVID situation. A lot of travellers are not concerned so much with getting COVID (which has the same lethality as the regular flu), as getting trapped in the measures being taken to stem the rapid spread of the virus. That includes quarantine and cancelled flights. Its chicken and egg now. Being sick at home is different from being sick in a hotel in a country where you don't speak the language.

Sadly, some airlines won't survive even a mild downturn, especially tourist oriented ones. This goes for routes as well. MSY is a tourist city and may take a hit. You really cannot blame ppl for being apprehensive - tourism is not a basic human need. Airlines would do well to be very flexible with change fees so pax can book future flights. They should also consider providing masks to pax.

Lets hope for the best here, and get to traveling again.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:54 am

UK CAA stats are out for January.

https://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/CAA/Content/Standard_Content/Data_and_analysis/Datasets/Airport_stats/Airport_data_2020_01/Table_12_1_Intl_Air_Pax_Traffic_Route_Analysis.pdf

The MSY-LHR route had an estimated load factor of 76.8% in January. There were 7,234 pax flying on an estimated 9,416 offered seats. Last year, the load factor was 70.3% with 6,320 pax flying on an estimated 8,988 offered seats. Pax count increased by 14.5% year over year.

All seat estimations for MSY, PIT, BNA, and BWI are based on 788 seat count. SJC is based on 789 seat count. There were no flights cancelled in January.

The following breaks down the numbers for each station that sees 788/789 flying exclusively.

Station........Jan. Seats.......Jan. Pax..........Jan. LF.......YTD Seats.......YTD Pax......YTD LF
BWI..............13,268............12,029..............90.7%.........13,268.............12,029........90.7%
MSY................9,416..............7,234.............76.8%...........9,416...............7,234........76.8%
BNA................8,988..............6,090.............67.8%...........8,988...............6,090........67.8%
SJC...............13,392.............8,855..............66.1%.........13,392...............8,855........66.1%
PIT..................7,704..............4,836..............62.8%..........7,704................4,836........62.8%
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:49 am

The United Club officially opened for business today. Amazing to think we now have 3 clubs (2 airline and one priority pass) in the airport.

Here is the presser from UA. https://hub.united.com/2020-02-28-take- ... 29109.html
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:44 pm

this club looks the best out of the three in my opinion!


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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:10 pm

Spirit Airlines has announced to service to SAP and CUN.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:44 pm

Just a follow up on Viking. 2022 it is

https://dailymemphian.com/section/neigh ... et-landing
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:13 am

Nice additions by NK. SAP was long overdue.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:51 am

NolaMD88fan wrote:
Nice additions by NK. SAP was long overdue.


Next up, PDX and MKE

Have to think PDX would be a candidate route for Breeze when they get the A220s.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:47 pm

SNN707 wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
Nice additions by NK. SAP was long overdue.


Next up, PDX and MKE

Have to think PDX would be a candidate route for Breeze when they get the A220s.



hadnt heard of breeze before ? think this is a real airline or some ponzi scheme gimmick?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:50 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
Nice additions by NK. SAP was long overdue.



yes and good to see its being serviced by a more reputable airline than last time... very happy to see someone finally deliver adequate weekly service to cancun too... in my mind this will force some of the once weekly players off that route too, .. it looks like the cancun flights are also setup to function as connections for other cities too.. am i right about that?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:53 pm

WaywardMemphian wrote:
Just a follow up on Viking. 2022 it is

https://dailymemphian.com/section/neigh ... et-landing



didnt Viking announce a US headquarters in NOLA a few years ago ? guess its a bit late but that wil bring quite a lot of international tourists
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:28 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
SNN707 wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
Nice additions by NK. SAP was long overdue.


Next up, PDX and MKE

Have to think PDX would be a candidate route for Breeze when they get the A220s.



hadnt heard of breeze before ? think this is a real airline or some ponzi scheme gimmick?


Breeze is a well financed startup by the founder of JetBlue and recently ran TAP Air Portugal. They have also raided Allegiant of some top brass as they plan to have an G6 type operation. They will start with 30 E195s that they are leasing really cheap from Azul, then in 2021 will be receiving the first of 60 A220-300s (also bought at a big discount as an early customer).

The E195s will used on routes shorter than 2.25hrs (MKE-MEM-MSY?), and the 220s on longer routes with multiclass service. No routes yet announced, but smaller markets to Hawaii and Europe are in the plan, as well as smaller markets to large airports. Northern South America (Brazil) also in plans but DL and AA are waging war out of MIA currently for that market.

I think MSY-PDX would be a candidate, as well as MSY-SJU. Think any route that has good PDEW but currently requires a connection through a large hub. They also plan to do charters, probably with the E195s which won't have high utilization. The 220s are the key here as neither WN, NK, F9 or G6 can compete on gauge. They all have too much plane for some of the routes Breeze will be flying.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:58 pm

The E195s will used on routes shorter than 2.25hrs (MKE-MEM-MSY?), and the 220s on longer routes with multiclass service.


This would be fantastic. The MSY-MEM route on Northwest and Delta was always full when I flew it and even GLO had success with that route. Would also like to get the BHM flight back.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:46 pm

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/british- ... 50380.html

British Airways cancels some flights to United States as coronavirus hits demand

Just JFK at the moment, but may be just the beginning. Good time to get all of the 787 engine issues fixed.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:48 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
WaywardMemphian wrote:
Just a follow up on Viking. 2022 it is

https://dailymemphian.com/section/neigh ... et-landing



didnt Viking announce a US headquarters in NOLA a few years ago ? guess its a bit late but that wil bring quite a lot of international tourists

Yes, back when Jindal was gubnah.

That E195 could be based at MSY and run MSY-MEM-STL-MKE and back the emphasis is connecting MEM with nonstops to MSY and STL and giving a market with some cultural ties like MKE one stop no connecting service. There are tons of routes like this floating out there with pews in the 50s.

Could run an triangle like MSY-MEM-RDU-MSY, a plane leave out each way in the morning
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:45 am

WaywardMemphian wrote:
DJSNOLA wrote:
WaywardMemphian wrote:
Just a follow up on Viking. 2022 it is

https://dailymemphian.com/section/neigh ... et-landing



didnt Viking announce a US headquarters in NOLA a few years ago ? guess its a bit late but that wil bring quite a lot of international tourists

Yes, back when Jindal was gubnah.

That E195 could be based at MSY and run MSY-MEM-STL-MKE and back the emphasis is connecting MEM with nonstops to MSY and STL and giving a market with some cultural ties like MKE one stop no connecting service. There are tons of routes like this floating out there with pews in the 50s.

Could run an triangle like MSY-MEM-RDU-MSY, a plane leave out each way in the morning


Neeleman (Breeze CEO) has said the E195s won't be utilized more than 6-8 hrs a day due to their fuel burn. They can do this because the lease is so crazy favorable to them. Each plane probably won't do more than 3 segments per day.

You could see maybe MKE-MEM-MSY-MLB/RSW/EYW for example for a days work. This will be fun watching as the routes are announced.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:58 am

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guess its a bit late but that wil bring quite a lot of international tourists

They've stated before that their cruises will start as English-speaking only, and with a focus on the high-end domestic market.

Doesn't mean that we won't see some international fly-in for it, but that may not be as large a factor of their market as some of us originally thought.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:14 am

LAX772LR wrote:
DJSNOLA wrote:
guess its a bit late but that wil bring quite a lot of international tourists

They've stated before that their cruises will start as English-speaking only, and with a focus on the high-end domestic market.

Doesn't mean that we won't see some international fly-in for it, but that may not be as large a factor of their market as some of us originally thought.


Viking probably will offer the US cruises on their non-English speaking sites but (agreed) won't actively market them.

Hopefully they will aggressively market them in the English speaking UK and Ireland. Would be a boost to the BA service out of MSY.

Speaking of the UK, Flybe is no more as of a few hours ago. Had issues before but COVID-19 was the nail in the coffin.....

https://www.ifn.news/posts/flybe-goes-i ... perations/
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:23 pm

SNN707 wrote:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/british-airways-cancels-flights-united-172350380.html

British Airways cancels some flights to United States as coronavirus hits demand

Just JFK at the moment, but may be just the beginning. Good time to get all of the 787 engine issues fixed.



I just booked a trip to the amalfi coast (flying condor with a transfer in frankfurt to naples), the hotel was looking at dropped prices almost 50 percent from what they were a month ago. certainly lots of good bargains out there if looking!
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:49 pm

We are in Jamaica this week, and our flight from CLT to MBJ only had 22 on board. A321 aircraft
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:02 pm

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We are in Jamaica this week, and our flight from CLT to MBJ only had 22 on board. A321 aircraft



yikes.. i remember traveling to mexico when the H1n1 thing was a big deal and we were the only guests at the Ritz Carlton Cancun. lol ... surprised though your flight was that empty.. did people cancel or was it just not selling well?

also does anyone know how the airport is checking potentially infected international travelers ?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:05 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
SNN707 wrote:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/british-airways-cancels-flights-united-172350380.html

British Airways cancels some flights to United States as coronavirus hits demand

Just JFK at the moment, but may be just the beginning. Good time to get all of the 787 engine issues fixed.



I just booked a trip to the amalfi coast (flying condor with a transfer in frankfurt to naples), the hotel was looking at dropped prices almost 50 percent from what they were a month ago. certainly lots of good bargains out there if looking!


Glad to see the Europeans trying to stimulate travel by lowering prices. Obviously Marriott and Hilton havent gotten the memo yet because domestic award/points prices are still as high as they ever were.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:10 pm

UA is suspending MSY-SFO until June
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:23 am

DJSNOLA wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
We are in Jamaica this week, and our flight from CLT to MBJ only had 22 on board. A321 aircraft



yikes.. i remember traveling to mexico when the H1n1 thing was a big deal and we were the only guests at the Ritz Carlton Cancun. lol ... surprised though your flight was that empty.. did people cancel or was it just not selling well?

also does anyone know how the airport is checking potentially infected international travelers ?


Not sure. Didn't ask, but flight attendants said it was very unusual.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:24 am

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UA is suspending MSY-SFO until June


I fear this is only the beginning.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:24 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
UA is suspending MSY-SFO until June


I fear this is only the beginning.



Well on the bright side this situation will help give Boeing time to address the MAX issue
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:53 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
UA is suspending MSY-SFO until June


I fear this is only the beginning.



Well on the bright side this situation will help give Boeing time to address the MAX issue


i was just thinking that short run, Boeing get a chance to get the MAX certified, and rather than furloughing pilots, airlines can get the pilot training in so the planes and pilots are ready to fly once demand picks up. Long term, its not good for anyone if airlines go broke.

But airlines have to realize that many pax don't fear COVID as much as them getting stuck and not being able to return home. They have been really quick to cancel flights willy-nilly and it will hurt future bookings.

We had to cancel our Europe trip for reasons other than COVID, and that we were on an award fare. Our airline played hardball on a schedule change out of our control and we had to pay out of pocket for a positioning flight to make our trip work.

If we would have had the confidence that the airline would have had our backs, we wouldn't have cancelled. But given our experience, we had no choice but to cancel. The airlines were booming and there was quite a bit of hubris on their part as to how they treated the avg pax. No wonder ppl have no confidence in them.

The media has created quite a bit of hysteria because its all about clicks. Of course we should take precautions, but the regular flu, drunk and distracted driving (and regular driving), are huge fatality generators as well. The cure may be far worse than the disease. The indirect fatality/misery rate is hard to measure.
 
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:09 pm

SNN707 wrote:
DJSNOLA wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:

I fear this is only the beginning.



Well on the bright side this situation will help give Boeing time to address the MAX issue


i was just thinking that short run, Boeing get a chance to get the MAX certified, and rather than furloughing pilots, airlines can get the pilot training in so the planes and pilots are ready to fly once demand picks up. Long term, its not good for anyone if airlines go broke.

But airlines have to realize that many pax don't fear COVID as much as them getting stuck and not being able to return home. They have been really quick to cancel flights willy-nilly and it will hurt future bookings.

We had to cancel our Europe trip for reasons other than COVID, and that we were on an award fare. Our airline played hardball on a schedule change out of our control and we had to pay out of pocket for a positioning flight to make our trip work.

If we would have had the confidence that the airline would have had our backs, we wouldn't have cancelled. But given our experience, we had no choice but to cancel. The airlines were booming and there was quite a bit of hubris on their part as to how they treated the avg pax. No wonder ppl have no confidence in them.

The media has created quite a bit of hysteria because its all about clicks. Of course we should take precautions, but the regular flu, drunk and distracted driving (and regular driving), are huge fatality generators as well. The cure may be far worse than the disease. The indirect fatality/misery rate is hard to measure.



I agree but Im going to say personally i still have some questions about the 737 max, and if that plane type crashes for any reason in the next few years.. regardless of the reason the plane is done for
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:35 am

Vino Volo and duty free are still not finished with construction as of Sunday. I know a previous poster inquired about their status.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:51 pm

DJSNOLA wrote:
I agree but Im going to say personally i still have some questions about the 737 max, and if that plane type crashes for any reason in the next few years.. regardless of the reason the plane is done for


To be fair, and I realize that this is a different era, but just a brief skim of aviation history and you’ll see that some of the most successful planes to date were all dropping out the sky like logs when they first entered service. The general public eventually got over it.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:08 pm

Metrocard wrote:
DJSNOLA wrote:
I agree but Im going to say personally i still have some questions about the 737 max, and if that plane type crashes for any reason in the next few years.. regardless of the reason the plane is done for


To be fair, and I realize that this is a different era, but just a brief skim of aviation history and you’ll see that some of the most successful planes to date were all dropping out the sky like logs when they first entered service. The general public eventually got over it.



True but as you said this is a different era and peoples expectations and perceptions are different
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:04 pm

Seems like things are moving into high gear for construction of airport flyover ramps

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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:00 pm

Well, this certainly won't help people's confidence in flying, Boeing or MSY's biggest airline....

https://simpleflying.com/southwest-737-skin-crack/
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:04 am

UK flying is suspended through mid-April. The BA flight is currently scheduled to return to service on 4/17.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:21 pm

I thought I'd share some COVID-19 related schedule reductions that I'm seeing for MSY for April. Fortunately they are mostly surgical cuts.

NK: FLL from 3 to 2, MCO from 2 to 1 daily; AUS, BNA, RDU, and MSP are seeing some Tues, Wed, Sat cuts.
DL: LAX, LGA, and JFK reduce from 3 to 2 daily; ATL from 11 to 8 daily; MSP from 2 to 1, cut completely for a week in April, weekend RDU is cut
UA: SFO was cut, on other routes I'm seeing only a few frequency reductions on off-peak days and some mainline flights being replaced by RJs
AA: PHL from 2/3 to 1 daily, not see much else at this point
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:42 am

msycajun wrote:
I thought I'd share some COVID-19 related schedule reductions that I'm seeing for MSY for April. Fortunately they are mostly surgical cuts.

NK: FLL from 3 to 2, MCO from 2 to 1 daily; AUS, BNA, RDU, and MSP are seeing some Tues, Wed, Sat cuts.
DL: LAX, LGA, and JFK reduce from 3 to 2 daily; ATL from 11 to 8 daily; MSP from 2 to 1, cut completely for a week in April, weekend RDU is cut
UA: SFO was cut, on other routes I'm seeing only a few frequency reductions on off-peak days and some mainline flights being replaced by RJs
AA: PHL from 2/3 to 1 daily, not see much else at this point


The amputations are coming. Between no leisure travel, corporate banning travel, and no intl feed, its going to get much worse.

CDC just put out a new directive about no gatherings larger than 50ppl. Thats a third of a 737 or 320. I think what we may see is some once daily services cut to 2x or 1x weekly, as well as multiple daily flights cut to one a day. Even if this only lasts 2 months, its going to bankrupt almost every single carrier.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:56 am

msycajun wrote:
I thought I'd share some COVID-19 related schedule reductions that I'm seeing for MSY for April. Fortunately they are mostly surgical cuts.

NK: FLL from 3 to 2, MCO from 2 to 1 daily; AUS, BNA, RDU, and MSP are seeing some Tues, Wed, Sat cuts.
DL: LAX, LGA, and JFK reduce from 3 to 2 daily; ATL from 11 to 8 daily; MSP from 2 to 1, cut completely for a week in April, weekend RDU is cut
UA: SFO was cut, on other routes I'm seeing only a few frequency reductions on off-peak days and some mainline flights being replaced by RJs
AA: PHL from 2/3 to 1 daily, not see much else at this point

I would not hold my breath on these being the only reductions. The deep slashing I am sure is just getting started, for everyone.


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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:07 am

Two months of data (August and September). Somehow I forgot to do August when it was released last month.

DE (Condor) August Stats
Airport.......Seats......Pax......Load Factor
MSP...........9160......8908.........97.25%
SEA.........15406....14903.........96.74%
PDX.........11196....10651.........95.13%
BWI.........11386....10650.........93.54%
PIT.............4470......4129.........92.37%
LAS.........10908......9988.........91.57%
SJU...........2546......2317.........91.01%
PHX..........6542......5952.........90.98%
ANC..........8912......7803.........87.56%
MSY..........4450......3883.........87.26%

DE (Condor) September Stats
Airport.......Seats......Pax......Load Factor
SEA.........16438....15641.........95.15%
LAS.........10426......9714.........93.17%
PDX.........10164.....9352.........92.01%
PHX..........6028......5528.........91.71%
MSP..........4064......3628.........89.27%
BWI.........10560......8850.........83.81%
PIT............2466......2039.........82.68%
MSY..........3486......2860.........82.04%
SJU...........2036......1622.........79.67%
ANC..........4904......3782.........77.12%

Not bad for the slow season at MSY.

CM (Copa) August Stats
Airport.......Seats......Pax......Load Factor
JFK...........29722....27897.......93.86%
MIA...........57162....52359.......91.60%
BOS..........11568....10539.......91.10%
ORD..........19844...18044........90.93%
IAD............23032...20867........90.60%
MCO.........44708....39487.......88.32%
FLL.............9812....8631.........87.96%
LAX...........27104....23734.......87.57%
TPA............5712.....4999.........87.52%
SFO..........16324....14272.......87.43%
LAS............9836.....8438.........85.79%
SJU...........14120....11531.......81.66%
DEN............5748....4650.........80.90%
MSY............4386.....2979........67.92%

CM (Copa) September Stats
Airport.......Seats......Pax......Load Factor
JFK...........27720....25652.......92.54%
LAS............6980.....6376.........91.35%
BOS...........9584.....8699.........90.77%
LAX...........25256....22490.......89.05%
TPA............4596.....4087.........88.93%
MIA...........52550....46203.......87.92%
ORD..........17228...15079........87.53%
IAD............18708...16310........87.18%
SFO..........16016....13845.......86.44%
MCO.........42656....36825.......86.33%
FLL.............6964....5977.........85.83%
DEN............4160....3311.........79.59%
SJU...........15754....11634.......73.85%
MSY............4092.....2839........69.38%

Pretty terrible loads for CM during the slow season for MSY. The flight was recently reduced to 3x weekly for the upcoming Summer.

BA (British Airways) August Stats
Airport.......Seats......Pax......Load Factor
BOS.........66156.....61197.......92.50%
JFK........142658....131175......91.95%
EWR.........24772....22676.......91.54%
SFO..........45190.....41197......91.16%
LAX..........50236.....45715.......91.00%
SEA..........30872.....27939.......90.50%
IAD...........30545.....27539.......90.16%
MCO.........37390.....33491......89.57%
DEN.........20522.....18361.......89.47%
BWI..........12495.....11114.......88.95%
SJC..........12960.....11490.......88.66%
ORD.........46128.....40737.......88.31%
PHL..........22772.....19997.......87.81%
SAN..........18414....16071.......87.28%
MIA...........62316.....54084......86.79%
AUS..........20741.....17733.......85.50%
DFW.........11598......9874........85.14%
LAS..........33544.....28141.......83.89%
PHX..........19972.....16592......83.08%
TPA..........19244.....15904.......82.64%
PIT.............7345.......6019.......81.95%
CHS...........3856......3081........79.90%
ATL...........13998.....10998......78.57%
FLL............7864......6144........78.13%
BNA.........12744......9682........75.97%
IAH...........29087.....21445.......73.73%
MSY...........8568......6065........70.79%

BA (British Airways) September Stats
Airport.......Seats......Pax......Load Factor
SFO..........41114.....37233......90.56%
LAX..........44294.....39682......89.59%
SEA..........27506.....24616......89.49%
JFK........122117....108664......88.98%
DEN.........18872.....16426.......87.04%
EWR.........23361....20249.......86.68%
SJC..........11664.......9901.......84.89%
LAS..........30972.....26103.......84.28%
ORD.........38462.....32296.......83.97%
BOS.........57758.....48314.......83.65%
SAN..........16476....13652.......82.86%
MCO.........26394.....21827......82.70%
BNA.........11880.......9787.......82.38%
PHL..........20111.....16541.......82.25%
IAD...........27492.....22570.......82.10%
AUS..........18500.....14435......78.03%
DFW.........11952......9284........77.68%
TPA..........16662.....12908.......77.47%
PHX..........18872.....14459......76.62%
ATL...........12600......9512.......75.49%
MSY...........8560.......6290.......73.48%
MIA...........53575.....38990......72.78%
IAH...........23255.....16180.......69.58%
CHS...........3424......2380........69.51%
PIT.............6848.......4709.......68.76%
BWI..........16524......9740.......58.94%
FLL............1344........500........37.20%

Very pleased with loads in the low 70s during the slow season.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:53 am

Here is how our TATL routes compared to all other TATL routes from peer FAA defined medium hub airports in September and year to date.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pUim6zLou2yi0OrZXam_VbjP4piD9X6G1bGOSez4ODs/edit?usp=sharing

September-
MSY-FRA ranked 21st out of 24 routes in pax count falling between DE's ANC-FRA and FI's ANC-KEF routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 15th out of 24 routes in pax count falling between DY's OAK-ARN and DY's OAK-FCO routes.

MSY-FRA ranked 10th out of 24 routes for load factor falling between BA's BNA-LHR and DL's CVG-CDG routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 18th out of 24 routes for load factor falling between DY's OAK-FCO and LH's AUS-FRA routes.

YTD-
MSY-FRA ranked 24th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between DE's PIT-FRA and FI's ANC-KEF routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 10th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between EI's BDL-DUB and DY's OAK-BCN routes.

MSY-FRA ranked 4th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DY's OAK-BCN and DY's OAK-ARN routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 19th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between BA's BNA-LHR and FI's ANC-KEF routes.

For all routes with continuous service from January through September, MSY-LHR ranked 9th out of 12 routes for load factor.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:33 pm

The Club lounge is now closed.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:01 pm

QB504 wrote:
The Club lounge is now closed.


Makes sense for the next few weeks until this all blows over. Keep up the social distancing for now.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:36 pm

A list of all food/retail closures at the airport at the current time...

1. Heritage School of Music
2. Munch Factory
3. Cure
4. Angelo Brocato’s
5. Dylan’s Candy Bar
6. Nola Couture
7. Brighton
8. Fleurty Girl
9. Bourbon Sweets
10. Dirty Coast

Reduced hours for many places not outright closed.
Spread hope like fire.
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