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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:30 pm

Lost in all the COVID maelstrom was this article which could have huge implications down the road as it pertains to the future of the MAX and 320 line.

https://simpleflying.com/general-electric-comac-c919/

Will we one day see a startup flying into MSY with a C919 fleet and LEAP engines, which will no doubt have a lower purchase price than the MAX or 320? Just the threat of many non-US airlines purchasing the 919 has implications. I personally think this buries the MAX.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:40 am

Here is how our TATL routes compared to all other TATL routes from peer FAA defined medium hub airports in October and year to date.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pUim6zLou2yi0OrZXam_VbjP4piD9X6G1bGOSez4ODs/edit?usp=sharing

October-
MSY-LHR ranked 11th out of 19 routes in pax count falling between DY's OAK-CDG and DI's AUS-LGW routes.

MSY-LHR ranked 1st out of 19 routes for load factor.

YTD-
MSY-FRA ranked 24th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between DE's PIT-FRA and FI's ANC-KEF routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 10th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between EI's BDL-DUB and DY's OAK-BCN routes.

MSY-FRA ranked 4th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DY's OAK-BCN and DI's OAK-LGW routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 15th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DL's RDU-CDG and DL's CVG-CDG routes.

For all routes with continuous service from January through October, MSY-LHR ranked 7th out of 12 routes for load factor.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:54 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
Here is how our TATL routes compared to all other TATL routes from peer FAA defined medium hub airports in October and year to date.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pUim6zLou2yi0OrZXam_VbjP4piD9X6G1bGOSez4ODs/edit?usp=sharing

October-
MSY-LHR ranked 11th out of 19 routes in pax count falling between DY's OAK-CDG and DI's AUS-LGW routes.

MSY-LHR ranked 1st out of 19 routes for load factor.

YTD-
MSY-FRA ranked 24th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between DE's PIT-FRA and FI's ANC-KEF routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 10th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between EI's BDL-DUB and DY's OAK-BCN routes.

MSY-FRA ranked 4th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DY's OAK-BCN and DI's OAK-LGW routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 15th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DL's RDU-CDG and DL's CVG-CDG routes.

For all routes with continuous service from January through October, MSY-LHR ranked 7th out of 12 routes for load factor.


This is great to see but extremely disappointing as well given these uncertain times. At least for LF, the MSY-LHR route was doing so well.

I'm afraid that we will return to a big hub and spoke system for TATL and TPAC for at least the near future until we see the direction we are heading in. When the hubs reach capacity again, I think P2P will begin again, both domestically and intl. The main thing is no matter where or how, ppl begin to fly again. The rest will take care of itself.

MSY has proven itself, no shame there.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:49 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
MSY-LHR ranked 1st

Words so rarely seen, in a positive context.

....*siiiiiiigh* :crying:
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:49 am

DE got a reprieve today courtesy of German govt and Hessian state loan guarantees. MSY needs to keep the BA and DE signs up (even though they won't return this summer)

https://www.aerotime.aero/aerotime.team ... ing-condor
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:11 am

SNN707 wrote:
DE got a reprieve today courtesy of German govt and Hessian state loan guarantees. MSY needs to keep the BA and DE signs up (even though they won't return this summer)

https://www.aerotime.aero/aerotime.team ... ing-condor


Flights are now for sale beginning June 27th. Hoping it sticks!
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:53 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
SNN707 wrote:
DE got a reprieve today courtesy of German govt and Hessian state loan guarantees. MSY needs to keep the BA and DE signs up (even though they won't return this summer)

https://www.aerotime.aero/aerotime.team ... ing-condor


Flights are now for sale beginning June 27th. Hoping it sticks!


Last I checked it still showed Omni operating, but it would be great if they could trim some of their larger operations to free up a DE 767 for MSY. I still think a decent number of people would be willing to pay for premium/business.

Obviously things are changing dramatically from one day to the next, but I wonder if in the medium-term, the slowdown in travel might tilt things in favor of medium sized airports like MSY. Large connection hubs are being chopped down, meaning fewer options and more double and triple connections for the smaller airports. Smaller carriers are trying to drop their service to other carriers' hubs completely, leading to things like B6's BOS/JFK-MSY-IAH routes. That will probably lead to high fares out of the bigger airports once travel picks up. If we can maintain most of the breadth of service that could bode well. Fortunately even some newer routes like YUL and the yet to begin SAP seem to be returning as of now.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 7:55 am

January 2020 domestic and October 2019 international load factors and passenger numbers by route have been calculated.

International load factor for all carriers in October was 82.5%. Passenger traffic fell by -8.8% and seat count fell by -9.9% resulting in a 1% increase in load factor year over year. A multi-day power outage at the airport due to a severe wind storm associated with the remains of Hurricane Olga resulted in several cancelled flights. This is the reason for the decrease in seat and passenger counts in October.

October International route seat count(%change), pax count(%change), and load factor(change)

Airline............Seats.............................Pax..........................LF
AC................4,712(-5.9%)..................4,180(-0.9%)..........88.7%(+4.5%)
BA................8,346(-13.5%)................7,262(-13.9%)........87.0%(-0.4%)
CM...............4,360(-6.6%)..................2,921(-5.4%)..........67.0%(+0.8%)

Domestically in January, airport-wide seat count grew by 3.1%, and pax traffic increased by 5.5% resulting in a 2.3% increase in load factors to 76.0%. DL's MSY-MSP route had the best loads of the month at 89.9%. NK's MSY-BNA route had the worst loads of the month at 48.0%.

January Domestic route seat count(% change), pax count(%change), and load factor(change):

Airline.................Seats..............................Pax............................LF
AS................28,728(+49.2%)............22,319(+45.4%).......77.7%(-2.0%)
AA..............194,670(-14.9%)............155,148(-11.9%).......79.7%(+3.5%)
B6................31,296(-9.3%)...............24,646(-9.2%)..........78.8%(+0.1%)
DL..............225,933(+9.0%).............181,633(+12.9%)......80.4%(+3.6%)
F9................26,588(-7.2%)................21,537(-8.0%).........81.0%(-0.9%)
G4.................8,292(-17.4%)................5,640(-12.6%)........68.0%(+5.9%)
NK..............209,057(+28.7%)..........148,359(+25.2%).......71.0%(-2.7%)
SY..................3,708(-35.3%)...............2,531(-25.6%).........68.3%(+15.0%)
UA..............177,416(+6.4%)............138,491(+8.6%).........78.1%(+2.1%)
WN.............518,454(+0.2%)............382,533(+4.0%).........73.8%(+3.8%)

Domestic
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e36A_kk0WshqQL2vurxQXa5pE9oJ2UV7zPuA1B2s7gQ/edit?usp=sharing

International
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1f_6DXIGr6PSyokEb5zZ_1OmdCwaesNjL2vt_N0BdigU/edit?usp=sharing
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 1:26 pm

Not a surprise but DE has cxld the MSY flight. Hopefully it’ll come back next year, assuming DE is still around.

Also, CM has postponed service until November at this time.
Spread hope like fire.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 6:26 pm

SunsetLimited wrote:
Not a surprise but DE has cxld the MSY flight. Hopefully it’ll come back next year, assuming DE is still around.

Also, CM has postponed service until November at this time.


Has there been official word on DE? They are still selling the flight on their website. There even seem to be a few seats already booked on the first couple of flights, judging from the seat map. While I don't expect leisure travel to Europe to rebound soon, I wouldn't be surprised if there is some pent up VFR demand to Europe, plus cargo and port traffic.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 1:33 am

SunsetLimited wrote:
Not a surprise but DE has cxld the MSY flight.

If you're going off the OAG thread here, then it's not accurate.... they started selling the MSY flight again at the same time they started selling the likes of LAS and PIT. Still showing for sale even as of now.

But do you have another source?
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 2:04 am

February 2020 statistics.

https://www.flymsy.com/wp-content/uploa ... y-2020.pdf

The airport reported 1,110,097 passengers in February which was a 12.1% increase over February 2019. MSY was the 37th busiest airport in the nation year to date and was positioned between STL and HOU.

Sadly, the last month of year over year growth we will see in a while.

AA, F9, G4, and SY were the only carriers to see year over year declines in traffic.

Estimated international carrier load factor (February):

AC: 69.3% full outbound (MSY-YYZ) 3053 pax/4408 seats
67.7% full inbound (YYZ-MSY) 2983 pax/4408 seats
68.5% full combined 6036 pax/8816 seats

BA: 64.3% full outbound (MSY-LHR) 2889 pax/4494 seats
76.3% full inbound (LHR-MSY) 3430 pax/4494 seats
70.3% full combined 6319 pax/8988 seats

CM: 71.1% full outbound (MSY-PTY) 1499 pax/2108 seats
72.7% full inbound (PTY-MSY) 1442 pax/1984 seats
71.9% full combined 2941 pax/4092 seats

TS: 78.0% full outbound (MSY-YUL) 1326 pax/1701 seats
79.7% full inbound (YUL-MSY) 1356 pax/1701 seats
78.8% full combined 2682 pax/3402 seats
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 4:32 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
Sadly, the last month of year over year growth we will see in a while.

Gonna make all the 2005 graphs look tame. :(
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 3:29 am

And so it begins...UK CAA stats are out for March.

https://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/CAA ... alysis.pdf

The MSY-LHR route had an estimated load factor of 77.4% in March. There were 3,644 pax flying on an estimated 4,708 offered seats. Last year, the load factor was 89.5% with 8,430 pax flying on an estimated 9,416 offered seats. Pax count decreased by -57.6% year over year.

Station........Mar. Seat........Mar. Pax..........Mar. LF.......YTD Seats.......YTD Pax......YTD LF
MSY................4,708..............3,644.............77.4%..........23,112.............17,586.........76.1%
BWI.................6,420..............3,495.............54.4%..........31,672.............22,377........70.7%
BNA................5,136..............3,365.............65.5%..........23,112.............15,100.........65.3%
SJC.................6,912..............2,915.............42.2%..........30,240.............17,675........58.5%
PIT..................3,424..............1,710..............49.9%.........17,976..............9,923..........55.2%
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 6:10 am

NolaMD88fan wrote:
And so it begins...UK CAA stats are out for March.

https://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/CAA ... alysis.pdf

The MSY-LHR route had an estimated load factor of 77.4% in March. There were 3,644 pax flying on an estimated 4,708 offered seats. Last year, the load factor was 89.5% with 8,430 pax flying on an estimated 9,416 offered seats. Pax count decreased by -57.6% year over year.

Station........Mar. Seat........Mar. Pax..........Mar. LF.......YTD Seats.......YTD Pax......YTD LF
MSY................4,708..............3,644.............77.4%..........23,112.............17,586.........76.1%
BWI.................6,420..............3,495.............54.4%..........31,672.............22,377........70.7%
BNA................5,136..............3,365.............65.5%..........23,112.............15,100.........65.3%
SJC.................6,912..............2,915.............42.2%..........30,240.............17,675........58.5%
PIT..................3,424..............1,710..............49.9%.........17,976..............9,923..........55.2%

Sucks so badly. Sorta wild that this would happen in the month where they FINALLY decided to increase the frequency.

But then again, in the last few months, LHR-MSY was doing even better than usual, compared to its peers-- I wonder if that bodes well for it being among the first secondary gateways to return?
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 1:09 pm

Re: DE... much of the time, there's a delay between what's posted in OAG and what is shown on the airline website....but not always. I think the key will be if the flights are still showing this Sunday.

In other news, COPA has decided to retire all 73G's... IMO, not good news for their lower volume markets... MSY being one of them. What do you guys think? The smallest bird in its fleet will be the 738. Maybe they could run a tag flight... ORD-MSY-PTY. etc...
Spread hope like fire.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 4:10 pm

SunsetLimited wrote:
Re: DE... much of the time, there's a delay between what's posted in OAG and what is shown on the airline website....but not always. I think the key will be if the flights are still showing this Sunday.

In other news, COPA has decided to retire all 73G's... IMO, not good news for their lower volume markets... MSY being one of them. What do you guys think? The smallest bird in its fleet will be the 738. Maybe they could run a tag flight... ORD-MSY-PTY. etc...


I could see them come back, but at only 3x weekly to account for the increased capacity. It's mostly VFR traffic on the route, and there will still be decent demand for that.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 5:03 pm

SunsetLimited wrote:
In other news, COPA has decided to retire all 73G's...

That decision was made (public) long ago. They're just slightly accelerating it.
IINM, those would've been gone by end of next year regardless.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 8:18 pm

For those who are not following the TSA Checkpoint numbers, the US is creeping back up every day. TSA is currently processing over 200,000 pax/day nationwide. The last time over 200,000 pax/day went through TSA was mid/end of March when the steep decline happened due to Covid-19. The numbers for this time in 2019? Approx. 1.9 million. Long ways to go, but good to see numbers starting to improve.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 15, 2020 2:22 pm

Perusing the schedule. Interesting that AA and WN have by far the most flights. Terminal B must be rocking compared to what's happened with DL and UA.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 15, 2020 5:51 pm

QB504 wrote:
Perusing the schedule. Interesting that AA and WN have by far the most flights. Terminal B must be rocking compared to what's happened with DL and UA.


Along with NK. Major pullbacks by all of the carriers in concourse C. I'm hoping we'll see NK start to add some destinations back soon.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 15, 2020 10:21 pm

The city has putting the taxiway extension up for bid, due June 12. The whole thing is scheduled to take just under a year. Fortunately runway 11/29 will be kept open for the most part, albeit with a displaced threshold for the last phase of construction tying in the taxiways to the runway.

https://nolaprod-lm01.cloud.infor.com/lmcsf/SupplyManagementSupplier/form/SourcingEvent%5BByCompany%5D(100%2C592).SupplierPortalSummary?action=_open&list=SourcingEvent%5BByCompany%5D(_niu_%2C_niu_).OpenForBid&csk.SupplierGroup=100
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 3:25 am

Good to see they are still pushing ahead with this.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 3:37 am

Here is how our TATL routes compared to all other TATL routes from peer FAA defined medium hub airports in November and year to date.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

November-
MSY-LHR ranked 5th out of 12 routes in pax count falling between DL's RDU-CDG and BA's SJC-LHR routes.

MSY-LHR ranked 3rd out of 12 routes for load factor falling between DL's RDU-CDG and LH's AUS-FRA routes.

YTD-
MSY-FRA ranked 24th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between DE's PIT-FRA and FI's ANC-KEF routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 10th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between EI's BDL-DUB and DY's OAK-BCN routes.

MSY-FRA ranked 4th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DY's OAK-BCN and DI's OAK-LGW routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 15th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DY's OAK-FCO and DL's CVG-CDG routes.

For all routes with continuous service from January through November, MSY-LHR ranked 5th out of 10 routes for load factor.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 12:56 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
Here is how our TATL routes compared to all other TATL routes from peer FAA defined medium hub airports in November and year to date.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

November-
MSY-LHR ranked 5th out of 12 routes in pax count falling between DL's RDU-CDG and BA's SJC-LHR routes.

MSY-LHR ranked 3rd out of 12 routes for load factor falling between DL's RDU-CDG and LH's AUS-FRA routes.

YTD-
MSY-FRA ranked 24th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between DE's PIT-FRA and FI's ANC-KEF routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 10th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between EI's BDL-DUB and DY's OAK-BCN routes.

MSY-FRA ranked 4th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DY's OAK-BCN and DI's OAK-LGW routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 15th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DY's OAK-FCO and DL's CVG-CDG routes.

For all routes with continuous service from January through November, MSY-LHR ranked 5th out of 10 routes for load factor.


Where are you getting this data from?
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 3:27 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
NolaMD88fan wrote:
Here is how our TATL routes compared to all other TATL routes from peer FAA defined medium hub airports in November and year to date.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

November-
MSY-LHR ranked 5th out of 12 routes in pax count falling between DL's RDU-CDG and BA's SJC-LHR routes.

MSY-LHR ranked 3rd out of 12 routes for load factor falling between DL's RDU-CDG and LH's AUS-FRA routes.

YTD-
MSY-FRA ranked 24th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between DE's PIT-FRA and FI's ANC-KEF routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 10th out of 27 routes in pax count falling between EI's BDL-DUB and DY's OAK-BCN routes.

MSY-FRA ranked 4th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DY's OAK-BCN and DI's OAK-LGW routes.
MSY-LHR ranked 15th out of 27 routes for load factor falling between DY's OAK-FCO and DL's CVG-CDG routes.

For all routes with continuous service from January through November, MSY-LHR ranked 5th out of 10 routes for load factor.


Where are you getting this data from?


https://transtats.bts.gov/databases.asp ... ject_ID2=0
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 1:35 pm

Liquor Permits Applied Back in April


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Also interstate flyover ramp construction (and demolition proceeding nicely)

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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 2:20 pm

This is the perfect time to kick the interchange project into high gear, so it's great to see the hotel already coming down.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 2:51 pm

NolaMD88fan wrote:
This is the perfect time to kick the interchange project into high gear, so it's great to see the hotel already coming down.


Definitely appears to be the case.

this is from this morning:

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Also I kind of missed most of the sign in this picture but you can see that the parking availability displays have been added to the interstate sign

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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 11:19 pm

DE has removed MSY (and other U.S cities) from the schedule for this year.

Fingers crossed we can get them back in 2021.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 1:38 am

I wonder why they opened up bookings in the first place? Hope they are back next Summer.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 2:48 pm

February 2020 domestic and November 2019 international load factors and passenger numbers by route have been calculated.

International load factor for all carriers in November was 81.7%. Passenger traffic increased by 19.0% and seat count increased by 18.9% resulting in no change in load factor year over year. TS started service to YUL, and had a good start with a 79.8% load factor.

November International route seat count(%change), pax count(%change), and load factor(change)

Airline............Seats.............................Pax..........................LF
AC................5,024(+10.3%)...............4,217(+10.6%).......83.9%(+0.2%)
BA................8,798(-2.2%)..................7,461(+1.8%).........84.8%(+3.4%)
CM...............4,360(+1.7%).................3,229(-5.6%)..........74.1%(-5.7%)
TS................3,030..............................2,418.....................79.8%

Domestically in February, airport-wide seat count grew by 11.0%, and pax traffic increased by 13.1% resulting in a 1.9% increase in load factors to 79.3%. AA's MSY-PHL route had the best loads of the month at 92.4%. NK's MSY-BNA route had the worst loads of the month at 57.2%. This was the last month of normalcy before the lockdowns began, and the airport was definitely on track for another record year. Hopefully, we will see these types of numbers again sooner rather than later.

February Domestic route seat count(% change), pax count(%change), and load factor(change):

Airline.................Seats..............................Pax............................LF
AS................27,571(+18.0%)............22,380(+21.0%).......81.2%(+2.0%)
AA..............199,366(-6.6%)..............166,393(-3.7%).........83.5%(+3.1%)
B6................43,366(+20.3%)............34,184(+31.2%).......78.8%(+9.1%)
DL..............212,608(+13.7%)...........178,266(+18.2%)......83.9%(+3.9%)
F9................23,992(-10.6%)..............19,241(-10.5%).......80.2%(+0.1%)
G4...............11,769(+23.5%)................8,595(+32.8%)......73.0%(+7.5%)
NK..............194,034(+46.0%)..........144,978(+38.9%).......74.7%(-4.8%)
SY..................3,162(-39.5%)...............2,517(-27.3%)........79.6%(+20.2%)
UA..............192,321(+21.8%)..........154,287(+22.7%).......80.2%(+0.8%)
WN.............513,947(+5.1%)............396,482(+8.1%).........77.1%(+3.0%)

Domestic
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

International
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 4:12 pm

Good numbers to see and I hope that our cautious approach pays off with a faster tourism rebound compared to the likes of Florida and Texas. TS in particular seems to have be doing great for such a new route.

I listened to a bit of the aviation board meeting yesterday. Not much of note, but they did say that the past few days were the first to consistently see over 1000 pax and either Thursday or Friday should top 2000 for the first time since March.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 8:48 pm

msycajun wrote:
Good numbers to see and I hope that our cautious approach pays off with a faster tourism rebound compared to the likes of Florida and Texas. TS in particular seems to have be doing great for such a new route.

I listened to a bit of the aviation board meeting yesterday. Not much of note, but they did say that the past few days were the first to consistently see over 1000 pax and either Thursday or Friday should top 2000 for the first time since March.


Good to hear traffic levels are gradually increasing again.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 3:36 am

Both AS and G4 leaving MSY, per CARES act exemptions.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 4:13 am

SunsetLimited wrote:
Both AS and G4 leaving MSY, per CARES act exemptions.


Makes sense for now. AS will be back quicker than G4 based on past performance. G4 never really took hold here.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 5:06 pm

SunsetLimited wrote:
Both AS and G4 leaving MSY, per CARES act exemptions.


I think it's premature to say they are leaving. Just because they receive permission to leave doesn't mean they will or still even want to. As far as I can tell Alaska is still selling at least a daily nonstop to SEA as far as the schedule goes. It seems that if they really weren't happy with it, they could have gone less than daily. I suspect that things have improved enough since the application was filed that they will either stay or perhaps only suspend during the slower periods - e.g. late Sept. G4 also still has service on sale through the end of the year.

Of course things can change at any point, but I'd be shocked if they left for good.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 5:20 pm

AS said that they are not necessarily dropping any of the five cities, including MSY...only that they have the option to do so. As of today, no routes have been cancelled. MSY has been a great market for AS with fantastic growth as seen in the numbers posted above.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 6:26 am

SunsetLimited wrote:
DE has removed MSY (and other U.S cities) from the schedule for this year.
NolaMD88fan wrote:
I wonder why they opened up bookings in the first place?

My guess is that they didn't know what re-opening would encompass.

Now that we're getting a preview (Schengen not open until September, foreigners required to undergo 14day quarantine), they don't think it'd be worth selling the ticket; what TATL tourist would want to deal with all that, when they can stay stateside or in Canada and still visit tourist spots?




SunsetLimited wrote:
Fingers crossed we can get them back in 2021.
NolaMD88fan wrote:
Hope they are back next Summer.

Jumping the gun: let's hope they're even still around by next summer.
They're surviving off of loan packages, still have no buyer, and still have a longhaul fleet based around aged 763ERs and A332.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 6:18 pm

Couple of positive notes:
The two river cruise operators are starting back up in late June
I noticed NK has started to add back a couple of flights end of June/first week of July. They are still showing a full schedule of 21 departures on the second week of July. It could be that they are just waiting to trim the schedule, but MSY does have three rough "banks" from about 9a-12p, 1p-3p and 6p-8p that allow for plenty of connections, so maybe they intend to capture some traffic that way.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 7:59 pm

Have any of the international airlines/operators confirmed a return, beyond just sitting it in their schedules?
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 3:18 am

Nothing other than keeping the routes in their schedules.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 31, 2020 6:11 pm

Well a few updates from the latest OAG report:

enilria wrote:
Interesting
*NK BOS-MSY AUG 1.0>1.6[1.0] SEP 0.8>1.4[0.8] OCT 0.7>1.5[0.7] NOV 0.8>1.6[0.9] DEC 0.4>0.7[0.8]

WN MSY-RDU NOV 0>0.9[0.1] DEC 0>0.9[0.1]


If I had to guess, I'd say that NK mistakenly left two flights in the schedule in the middle of adjusting the timing, because they are both 5 weekly. They've occasionally gone double daily on MSY-BOS, but usually just for peak tourism periods. They did adjust July and here's what I'm seeing:
LAX resumed June 25, MCO June 26
IAH/DFW/TPA/ORD/DTW/BWI start moved up from July 6 to July 1
FLL goes daily in July
AUS/BOS/ATL resume July 2, 5 weekly in July
LAS/PHL resume July 2, 4 weekly in July
CLE/SAP resumes July 2, 3 weekly
EWR/RDU/BNA/MSP/CMH/CUN suspended until August


WN MSY-RDU is interesting. They've been 1-2 weekly on that route for a few years, with NK being the only daily carrier on the route. Even before COVID I'd have been surprised to see another (almost daily) flight on the route. It will be interesting to see if they keep it - maybe it is part of the "more short haul flying for connections" strategy.

Speaking of WN, they do seem to have left MSY is pretty good shape, no significant route or frequency cuts in the fall, except for some 1 weekly midwestern stuff. I guess we are in a good position geographically to avoid the longer route cuts they are planning.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 31, 2020 6:26 pm

AA will be up to 16 flights a day in July. Some days 13, most days 16.

6X DFW
5X CLT
2X MIA
1X PHL
1X ORD
1X DCA

14 out of the 16 on mainline. The only two Eagle flights are the DCA and one of the CLT.
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 31, 2020 8:31 pm

Great to see WN, NK, and AA keeping and/or adding back flights.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 31, 2020 9:54 pm

msycajun wrote:
SAP resumes July 2, 3 weekly

Biggest news, IMO. Very glad to see they plan to continue going forward with it! :bigthumbsup:



SunsetLimited wrote:
AA will be up to 16 flights a day in July. Some days 13, most days 16.

6X DFW
5X CLT
2X MIA
1X PHL
1X ORD
1X DCA

Had they started the PHX resumption before the disease, or were they still planning to and never relaunched?
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:26 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Had they started the PHX resumption before the disease, or were they still planning to and never relaunched?


PHX started up back in December. Load factor was decent through February, but no data on how yields were.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:03 am

AA to PHX was supposed to come back in November. Not sure if it’s still in the plans. Hopefully so.
Spread hope like fire.
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:57 am

One thing that will help with restarting TATL and other international flights as we gradually get back to normal is that we remain very popular with the overseas crowd. In 2019, New Orleans was the 23rd most visited city in the United States by overseas visitors. We have consistently ranked 22nd or 23rd since 2014.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y2J_NVIdbd0cDnT3MTP9zYwkwvFb2GMiQwovQFL3KUk/edit?usp=sharing
 
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Re: New Orleans Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:47 pm

Well, I awoke this morning .. and discover ... British Airways has zeroed out all flights MSY LHR non-stop through July 31, only available from August 01... pretty much expected.
Same for IAH and AUS and BNA.
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