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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:30 pm

T4thH wrote:
rrbsztk wrote:
Thanks T4thH and Tominjsh. I found a couple sources saying 4 for air Baltic this year and will update the list next time I'm on my laptop.


Expected A220 production numbers for 2020 have been named by "The Wings over Quebec", who are regular accordingly informed. It is a good to excellent informed source regarding the A220.
It is just 55 for 2020 and it seems for Montreal and Mobile together.

In addition, in 2019, Airbus delivered 48 A220s and reduced the bottleneck in the interior finishing section. But the 2020 target will increase by only 7 aircraft for a total of 55 deliveries.


Original source in French, use Google Translator.
https://www.lesailesduquebec.com/a220-et-les-perspectives-2020/


I concur that André Allard (publisher/author of Wings over Quebec) is an excellent source of information. He's a journalist, not to be confused with garbage Fliegerfaust who's always speculating and making thins up to get some click on his page.

Wings over Quebec self-translates most of its article so no need for Google translate. The english article is usually published a few hours or a day or two after the french one.

Examples:

https://www.lesailesduquebec.com/airbus ... 0-en-2020/
and
https://www.wingsoverquebec.com/?p=9146

https://www.lesailesduquebec.com/stelia ... ombardier/
and
https://www.wingsoverquebec.com/?p=9135


For those who understand french, André Allard collaborates with Grégory Blanc on a weekly podcast now available on youtube. They discuss weekly about all aspects of aeronautics in Canada.
https://www.mentoraero.com/aeropod (audio)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkdZvA ... ZVj0d5pq7w (video)
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:57 am

Anyone know if the first B6 frame is in assembly yet?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:10 am

Delta's 31st scheduled for delivery today, according to Skyliner

Airbus Canada A220 -171 50050 N131DU Delta Air Lines delivery 06mar20 YMX-ATL
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:38 pm

Are Mirabel and Mobile still running or are they shut down?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:46 pm

TObound wrote:
Are Mirabel and Mobile still running or are they shut down?


They are still running...

https://aibfamily.flights/airport/ymx
https://aibfamily.flights/airport/bfm

Nothing has been announced by Airbus anyways. They only places where Airbus announced shutdowns where Tianjin (last month) and in France and Spain, although they will open again somewhat tomorrow.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:14 pm

I wonder how many deferrals they'll have for the A220. I believe AC mentioned somewhere in a press release that they may slow down accepting delivery.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:19 pm

Delta is postponing all deliveries for now. It'll give more time to Mobile to ramp up those CS3s, which are destined for US carriers.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:29 pm

ExMilitaryEng wrote:
Delta is postponing all deliveries for now. It'll give more time to Mobile to ramp up those CS3s, which are destined for US carriers.

Hopefully coronavirus is gone by the summer so I can see the first test flight
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:10 am

I was thinking about the A220 deliveries going forward:

Only public statements from airlines.
Delta
The airline is also deferring all its aircraft deliveries and other capital spending “until we have better clarity on the duration and severity of the situation,” he said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/d ... r-BB11nkMw

Air Baltic:
According to the Transport Ministry's information, airBaltic plans to reduce its fleet by 40 percent by decommissioning its Boeing and turboprop aircaft and keeping only 22 new Airbus jetliners.

I interpret that as not accepting more A220, but stay tuned. Delivery rates will certainly slow. $150 million from the Latvian government won't last long.
http://www.china.org.cn/world/Off_the_W ... 878902.htm

JetBlue
JetBlue, in addition to its other actions, is grounding some of its 259 Airbus and Embraer jets, Hayes and Geraghty said. The airline has also postponed the planned addition of four leased Airbus A321s, and is in talks with Airbus to postpone new A220 and A321neo deliveries.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/a ... r-BB11mxMm

Air Canada is differing Capital spending.
To preserve cash, Air Canada said it is targeting $500-million in cost reductions and capital spending deferrals. It has suspended its share repurchase program and is using its US$600-million credit facility as it tries to raise more money with several parties over the coming weeks.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busines ... as-ottawa/

Now, I'm not yet thinking about later deliveries. AirFrance starts September 2021 for A220 deliveries, which I expect will be delayed.
https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/07/30/air ... 0-by-2022/

Moxy err. Breeze (whatever it ends up being called) in April of 2021:
https://simpleflying.com/moxy-airbus-a220-delivery/

No PR from Airbus on changing A220 production. But the customers are hurting.

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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:54 am

I don't think that there is any civilian aircraft program that will deliver as scheduled or normal, until Q2 2021, at earliest
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:09 pm

Someone83 wrote:
I don't think that there is any civilian aircraft program that will deliver as scheduled or normal, until Q2 2021, at earliest


For sure, but it would make sense to keep the A220 production running at full rate, because the A220 production capacity is so low. Early production of defered planes and white tails would consume capital now, but as soon as the economy revives, Airbus would have free production slots available.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:05 pm

JoergAtADN wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
I don't think that there is any civilian aircraft program that will deliver as scheduled or normal, until Q2 2021, at earliest


For sure, but it would make sense to keep the A220 production running at full rate, because the A220 production capacity is so low. Early production of defered planes and white tails would consume capital now, but as soon as the economy revives, Airbus would have free production slots available.


I don't know how long (or another way - how many aircraft with no reasonable expectations of firm delivery) Airbus will want to assemble. There's also the matter of a fragile backlog - how many orders the A220 program could lose to carrier bankruptcy (orders cancelled) or liquidation.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:34 pm

Smaller aircraft are going to be more valuable going forward. The A220 program has a shot at gaining new customers going forward. Airbus shouldn't really be reducing the ramp at all. Get to 15/mo by 2024/2025. There's a solid share for marketshare grab while maintaining profitability.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:12 pm

Airbus pausing production at its A220 Mobile site until April 29.

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... nment.html
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:28 am

NAC has converted 1 A220-100 to A220-300, thus their new order then in 5 -100 and 15 -300
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:55 am

TObound wrote:
Smaller aircraft are going to be more valuable going forward. The A220 program has a shot at gaining new customers going forward. Airbus shouldn't really be reducing the ramp at all. Get to 15/mo by 2024/2025. There's a solid share for marketshare grab while maintaining profitability.


I do not think it is going to happen the way you described it.

There are a lot of things before A220 sales can start again. EC must first approve the joint venture between Embraer and Boeing.
Nobody wants to get stuck with only one supplier for 100-130 seat aircraft..

On addition, operators will first try to utilize the capacity they already have even if the cash operating cost is higher.

I expect Delta will defer their A220 delivery. I can't say I am absolutely sure, but in my opinion the likelihood is quite high.

The same applies to Air Canada.

This is not good for A220.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:09 pm

VV wrote:
TObound wrote:
Smaller aircraft are going to be more valuable going forward. The A220 program has a shot at gaining new customers going forward. Airbus shouldn't really be reducing the ramp at all. Get to 15/mo by 2024/2025. There's a solid share for marketshare grab while maintaining profitability.


I do not think it is going to happen the way you described it.

There are a lot of things before A220 sales can start again. EC must first approve the joint venture between Embraer and Boeing.
Nobody wants to get stuck with only one supplier for 100-130 seat aircraft..

On addition, operators will first try to utilize the capacity they already have even if the cash operating cost is higher.

I expect Delta will defer their A220 delivery. I can't say I am absolutely sure, but in my opinion the likelihood is quite high.

The same applies to Air Canada.

This is not good for A220.


I think you're right in absolute terms, that A220 is not going to see a pickup from the COVID crisis. But I do agree with TObound, that the A220 sits in a position of relative strength - an aircraft with a low breakeven but the capability to cover the entire narrowbody network should come out ok.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:37 am

wrongwayup wrote:
VV wrote:
TObound wrote:
Smaller aircraft are going to be more valuable going forward. The A220 program has a shot at gaining new customers going forward. Airbus shouldn't really be reducing the ramp at all. Get to 15/mo by 2024/2025. There's a solid share for marketshare grab while maintaining profitability.


I do not think it is going to happen the way you described it.

There are a lot of things before A220 sales can start again. EC must first approve the joint venture between Embraer and Boeing.
Nobody wants to get stuck with only one supplier for 100-130 seat aircraft..

On addition, operators will first try to utilize the capacity they already have even if the cash operating cost is higher.

I expect Delta will defer their A220 delivery. I can't say I am absolutely sure, but in my opinion the likelihood is quite high.

The same applies to Air Canada.

This is not good for A220.


I think you're right in absolute terms, that A220 is not going to see a pickup from the COVID crisis. But I do agree with TObound, that the A220 sits in a position of relative strength - an aircraft with a low breakeven but the capability to cover the entire narrowbody network should come out ok.


Exactly what I'm getting at. Sure there will be some cancellations. Every program is going to face cancellations coming out of this. But the A220 will have actually gained in relative value to Airbus. It's right sized to compete in this environment. And more future proofed than the NEO family.

I have doubts that there will be serious production cuts. The ramp will continue. Maybe we'll see a slide by a year. But Airbus has an opportunity here, to use slots freed up by cancellations and deferrals to add new customers to the order book.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:22 am

[quote="VV"
There are a lot of things before A220 sales can start again. EC must first approve the joint venture between Embraer and Boeing.
Nobody wants to get stuck with only one supplier for 100-130 seat aircraft..

On addition, operators will first try to utilize the capacity they already have even if the cash operating cost is higher.
[/quote]
The EU delaying approval of the Boeing/Embraer joint venture could only help A220 sales

I agree there will be differals, but the rate was barely slowed. I assume Airbus was rational and the rate reduction was thought out.

Airbus/Pratt will fix issues and impliment PiPs.

The A220 has enough breath of sales to survive.
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:35 pm

lightsaber wrote:
VV wrote:
There are a lot of things before A220 sales can start again. EC must first approve the joint venture between Embraer and Boeing.
Nobody wants to get stuck with only one supplier for 100-130 seat aircraft..

On addition, operators will first try to utilize the capacity they already have even if the cash operating cost is higher.

The EU delaying approval of the Boeing/Embraer joint venture could only help A220 sales
...


No, it is not necessarily true.

The EU delaying approval of the Embraer-Boeing joint venture is not helping A220 sales.
The approval is absolutely essential to maintain a level playing field between E2 and A220.

EU's hold-up of the approval only creates an uncertainty that operators do not like. So I expect the joint-venture will be approved soon or Airbus Canada has to become completely independent, including the sales/marketing/contracts and customer service just like Embraer is.

It is very unlikely the A220 will survive as a standalone company.

A step toward the financial independence of Airbus Canada has been announced in January 2020.
Please read this article (click here).

QUOTE
    The new version of the joint venture has the capacity to borrow up to US $ 1.5 billion (C $ 2 billion) in the markets, enough to finance the investments required for the A220 to reach cruising speed. The program could lose money until 2025, according to Airbus.

    "From now on, the joint venture will finance everything," Airbus chief financial officer Dominik Asam told analysts last week.
UNQUOTE

So basically there are only two options.
  • Make A220 a standalone independent company like Embraer commercial aircraft
  • Approve Boeing Brasil - Commercial

That's fair competition.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:40 pm

VV wrote:

So basically there are only two options.
  • Make A220 a standalone independent company like Embraer commercial aircraft
  • Approve Boeing Brasil - Commercial

That's fair competition.


Antitrust reviews of Boeing-Embraer aren't going to force the unwinding of Airbus' A220 stake. That's not how antitrust reviews work. Regulators aren't forced to approve deal B because they approved deal A.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:06 pm

VV wrote:

The EU delaying approval of the Embraer-Boeing joint venture is not helping A220 sales.
The approval is absolutely essential to maintain a level playing field between E2 and A220.

I'm baffled as to why you feel it's the regulator's job to maintain a "level playing field" between E2 and A220. To date the market has been fairly clear and it's not been in E2's favour. I really don't see why the competition authorities should be giving a hand up to E2.

VV wrote:
So basically there are only two options.
  • Make A220 a standalone independent company like Embraer commercial aircraft
  • Approve Boeing Brasil - Commercial

That's fair competition.

I'm not aware that Embraer was in dire financial straits unlike Bombardier. I would expect the competition authorities to look at the situation now rather than some idealised vision that you appear to have. In competition terms is there any good reason why Embraer should be folded into Boeing? What advantage do the consumers i.e. airlines gain from this venture?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:12 pm

This is the A220 Production/Delivery Thread, please keep this thread on topic and feel free to open a separate thread to continue your discussion about the Embraer-Boeing joint venture. In addition there is a separate thread with respect to A220 sales prospects which can be found here:

Airbus A220 Sales Campaigns Discussion Thread - 2020
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:18 pm

The guy who runs the AIB Family Flights website pointed out on his Discord that Airbus now uses a new callsign for A220 Flights.

Not sure if this user is here on Discord but the user pointed out that as of this week the A220 Test Flights now have a new callsign: "ABK".
ABK is now followed by either a "1" (A220-100) or "3" (A330-300) and then followed by the last two digits of the MSN number.
and on Air Traffic Control its pronounced "Airbus Canada".


I just checked and there seems to have already been a few movements with this new callsign. So if you think that nothing is happening that could be why. https://aibfamily.flights/Airbus-A220
 
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Mobile: A220-300_55070_Delta Airlines_29-Apr-2020: Engine tests and Taxi Check.

Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:23 pm

Hi Folks.

In this bad times, something nice. In regular times, I would have posted it in the regular A220 order and delivery thread; but these are not regular times and deserves an own thread.
The first A220-300, build in Mobile, it will be soon in the air. Was the first delivery from Mobile around one year ago not scheduled for Q3-2020? It was already discussed earlier, when it was first spotted on 03-Mar-2020.

A220-300, Delta Air Lines, C-GPCA, N302DU (MSN 55070)

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55070

Of course in this difficult times, it is doubtful, Delta Airlines will take up it this year (or if they will be willd to take any further jets this year).
 
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Re: Mobile: A220-300_55070_Delta Airlines_29-Apr-2020: Engine tests and Taxi Check.

Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:03 pm

T4thH wrote:
Hi Folks.

In this bad times, something nice. In regular times, I would have posted it in the regular A220 order and delivery thread; but these are not regular times and deserves an own thread.
The first A220-300, build in Mobile, it will be soon in the air. Was the first delivery from Mobile around one year ago not scheduled for Q3-2020? It was already discussed earlier, when it was first spotted on 03-Mar-2020.

A220-300, Delta Air Lines, C-GPCA, N302DU (MSN 55070)

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55070

Of course in this difficult times, it is doubtful, Delta Airlines will take up it this year (or if they will be willd to take any further jets this year).

I'm sure Delta and Airbus will work something out "behind the scene" so this plane is delivered not only in 2020, but even sooner than expected. I'll be all for the PR show, but could boost the morale of all involved.
 
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Re: Mobile: A220-300_55070_Delta Airlines_29-Apr-2020: Engine tests and Taxi Check.

Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:28 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Hi Folks.

In this bad times, something nice. In regular times, I would have posted it in the regular A220 order and delivery thread; but these are not regular times and deserves an own thread.
The first A220-300, build in Mobile, it will be soon in the air. Was the first delivery from Mobile around one year ago not scheduled for Q3-2020? It was already discussed earlier, when it was first spotted on 03-Mar-2020.

A220-300, Delta Air Lines, C-GPCA, N302DU (MSN 55070)

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55070

Of course in this difficult times, it is doubtful, Delta Airlines will take up it this year (or if they will be willd to take any further jets this year).

I'm sure Delta and Airbus will work something out "behind the scene" so this plane is delivered not only in 2020, but even sooner than expected. I'll be all for the PR show, but could boost the morale of all involved.


I don't think so. Conserving cash is the only priority for Delta. Cash changes hands in the delivery transaction, and Delta has already said that all deliveries are stopped. Presumably the 3 -100s ready to fly for Delta at Mirabel plus this one and any other -300s at Mobile will end up getting flown to the desert still owned by Airbus. Then, once Delta feels like enough cash has been conserved to restart deliveries, they can take this jet and the others. Ordinarily when an airline rejects delivery, they risk the manufacturer reconfiguring it and selling it to someone else. Obviously, in these circumstances, that is highly unlikely, and the 220s will eventually go to Delta. It is just the timeline that is up in the air.
 
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Re: Mobile: A220-300_55070_Delta Airlines_29-Apr-2020: Engine tests and Taxi Check.

Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:49 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Hi Folks.

In this bad times, something nice. In regular times, I would have posted it in the regular A220 order and delivery thread; but these are not regular times and deserves an own thread.
The first A220-300, build in Mobile, it will be soon in the air. Was the first delivery from Mobile around one year ago not scheduled for Q3-2020? It was already discussed earlier, when it was first spotted on 03-Mar-2020.

A220-300, Delta Air Lines, C-GPCA, N302DU (MSN 55070)

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55070

Of course in this difficult times, it is doubtful, Delta Airlines will take up it this year (or if they will be willd to take any further jets this year).

I'm sure Delta and Airbus will work something out "behind the scene" so this plane is delivered not only in 2020, but even sooner than expected. I'll be all for the PR show, but could boost the morale of all involved.

I am not so sure,...
As I understood, Delta is not any more willed to take up any jets this year. All airlines are now in big trouble, will perhaps get an aid by government...and then an airlines take up one single A220, so an Airbus....OK, this will be produced in Mobile, still...

I will not exclude it but still I do not believe they will take up the A220.
 
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Re: Mobile: A220-300_55070_Delta Airlines_29-Apr-2020: Engine tests and Taxi Check.

Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:00 pm

It will depend on whatever agreement DL and Airbus have and whether it has/will be reviewed. Depending on it, it will fly straight to the desert with no customer (worst case scenario) or immediately to Atlanta (best case scenario).
I believe that, given DL is obviously deeply exposed and Airbus is in serious cash situation (clearly no A220, for example, was sold at a profit if you consider their cash plea...), something in between like a storage in the desert with either Airbus or Delta's ownership is likely. And, if the US makes their COVID19 rules more stricter, then who knows...
 
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Re: Mobile: A220-300_55070_Delta Airlines_29-Apr-2020: Engine tests and Taxi Check.

Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:23 pm

TW870 wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Hi Folks.

In this bad times, something nice. In regular times, I would have posted it in the regular A220 order and delivery thread; but these are not regular times and deserves an own thread.
The first A220-300, build in Mobile, it will be soon in the air. Was the first delivery from Mobile around one year ago not scheduled for Q3-2020? It was already discussed earlier, when it was first spotted on 03-Mar-2020.


https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55070

Of course in this difficult times, it is doubtful, Delta Airlines will take up it this year (or if they will be willd to take any further jets this year).

I'm sure Delta and Airbus will work something out "behind the scene" so this plane is delivered not only in 2020, but even sooner than expected. I'll be all for the PR show, but could boost the morale of all involved.


I don't think so. Conserving cash is the only priority for Delta. Cash changes hands in the delivery transaction, and Delta has already said that all deliveries are stopped. Presumably the 3 -100s ready to fly for Delta at Mirabel plus this one and any other -300s at Mobile will end up getting flown to the desert still owned by Airbus. Then, once Delta feels like enough cash has been conserved to restart deliveries, they can take this jet and the others. Ordinarily when an airline rejects delivery, they risk the manufacturer reconfiguring it and selling it to someone else. Obviously, in these circumstances, that is highly unlikely, and the 220s will eventually go to Delta. It is just the timeline that is up in the air.

You must have missed the work something out behind the scene.
Yes, usually money changes hand when the aircraft is delivered. This is in normal times.
Those are not normal times, and the whole aviation community needs a little boost of hope. So, why is it wrong to imagine that Airbus and Delta could agree on something just for the sake of PR? Like, officially hand the plane to Delta, Airbus retains title of the aircraft, and fly it to the desert via ATL. Huge PR to all involved and no cash difference for Airbus or Delta.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:32 pm

OK, as just seen on ABCDlist, it seems the production slot list for the A220-300 production line seems to be updated. And what shall I say, either someone has smoked some interesting stuff, while typing it or....I am really surprised.

A220-300 are now published to 55141 and additional 55148 as last. Last delivered is 55079.

https://www.abcdlist.nl/cseries/cseries.html
A220-300 production number: Only first customers or first of a new batch.

Following have been already scheduled earlier.
55089: Air Vanatu (first Air Vanatu,, + 55127)

55099, first JetBlue (already announced earlier. 55104, 55106, 55115, 66120, 55137.
55106: First Air Austral. + 55116, 55135
55113: First Breeze + 55128,

And now the new ones and the surprises in some cases:

55129: Azimuth Airlines !!!! What the hell? I have not seen any firmed contract, only an announcement of interest to order it. It is not in the Airbus Mar-2020 order list, I have just again checked. + 55133, 55136
Link reagarding interest:
http://www.rusaviainsider.com/russias-superjet-100-operator-eyes-airbus-a220-300/

55134: First of second batch for Air Tanzania (first of two).

55141; Iraqi Airways !!!! It is not dead, I just can not believe it.

OK, I am just not willed to believe the Azimuth Airline production slots. I just believe, someone mixed by fault the link for the Azimuth icon with this one from Czech Airlines. These slots will fit with the already announced delivers scheduled for the A220-300
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:58 pm

Perhaps Azimuth is getting the aircraft from a lessor.
Good moaning!
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:32 pm

PepeTheFrog wrote:
Perhaps Azimuth is getting the aircraft from a lessor.


No, this can not be. In this case, it will be stated in another way. in ABCD list. I will be shown in two lines, first line with the leasing company and in the second line the company, it will be leased. As example, refer to A220-300 order list. and production number 55056, the failed leasing by STLC to Red Wing.
https://www.abcdlist.nl/cseries/cseries.html


As of the 6 produced and now stored STLC A220-300 jets you can (if firmed and confirmed) soon see for 3x of them on a third line with "Green Africa" and the other 3x of them (if airline survives) to "Air Madagascar".
Both have been already ...leaked or for Green Africa an MOU with lessor STLC official published.

So if this is really part of an order by an lessor we would see (most likely): first an announcement of transfer of an order from Ilyushin finance co. to the Irish subsidiary STLC
First line in ABCD list for STLC (or another lessor)and a second line for Azimuth Air.
https://www.abcdlist.nl/cseries/cseries.html
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:56 pm

OK, I have just seen in the ABCD list update of the slot numbers.
On last updated listing, the first from CSA (Czech Airlines) was just one slot behind 550106, the first of Air Austral.

55107 is now a Delta Airlines A220-300 slot. All Czech Air A220 are gone from the production list????
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:39 pm

bspc wrote:
The guy who runs the AIB Family Flights website pointed out on his Discord that Airbus now uses a new callsign for A220 Flights.

Not sure if this user is here on Discord but the user pointed out that as of this week the A220 Test Flights now have a new callsign: "ABK".
ABK is now followed by either a "1" (A220-100) or "3" (A330-300) and then followed by the last two digits of the MSN number.
and on Air Traffic Control its pronounced "Airbus Canada".


I just checked and there seems to have already been a few movements with this new callsign. So if you think that nothing is happening that could be why. https://aibfamily.flights/Airbus-A220

Also noted on that website that the Mobile flight number for 55070 test run up on the 29th was AIB070, not ABK370.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 3:36 am

yyztpa2 wrote:
bspc wrote:
The guy who runs the AIB Family Flights website pointed out on his Discord that Airbus now uses a new callsign for A220 Flights.

Not sure if this user is here on Discord but the user pointed out that as of this week the A220 Test Flights now have a new callsign: "ABK".
ABK is now followed by either a "1" (A220-100) or "3" (A330-300) and then followed by the last two digits of the MSN number.
and on Air Traffic Control its pronounced "Airbus Canada".


I just checked and there seems to have already been a few movements with this new callsign. So if you think that nothing is happening that could be why. https://aibfamily.flights/Airbus-A220

Also noted on that website that the Mobile flight number for 55070 test run up on the 29th was AIB070, not ABK370.


Exactly, because ABK is only used in Canada, since it stands for Airbus Canada.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 4:42 am

bspc wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
bspc wrote:
The guy who runs the AIB Family Flights website pointed out on his Discord that Airbus now uses a new callsign for A220 Flights.



I just checked and there seems to have already been a few movements with this new callsign. So if you think that nothing is happening that could be why. https://aibfamily.flights/Airbus-A220

Also noted on that website that the Mobile flight number for 55070 test run up on the 29th was AIB070, not ABK370.


Exactly, because ABK is only used in Canada, since it stands for Airbus Canada.

I had believed the aircraft produced in Mobile are also Airbus Canada products. They will fly test flights under Canadian registration and recall the new factory was funded by Bombardier as a condition of establishing CSALP.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 1:43 pm

yyztpa2 wrote:
bspc wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
Also noted on that website that the Mobile flight number for 55070 test run up on the 29th was AIB070, not ABK370.


Exactly, because ABK is only used in Canada, since it stands for Airbus Canada.

I had believed the aircraft produced in Mobile are also Airbus Canada products. They will fly test flights under Canadian registration and recall the new factory was funded by Bombardier as a condition of establishing CSALP.


It hasn't flown yet so we'll see. But it wouldn't surprise me if it is different since its not assembled in Canada and could be officially have been assembled in a U.S. company name, regardless of whether or not Canada has something to do with it or not.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 6:06 pm

It will indeed be an Airbus Canada product, assembled under "arrangements" by Airbus USA in Mobile.

Airbus Canada pays Airbus USA to accomplish this portion of the work.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 8:36 pm

ExMilitaryEng wrote:
It will indeed be an Airbus Canada product, assembled under "arrangements" by Airbus USA in Mobile.

Airbus Canada pays Airbus USA to accomplish this portion of the work.


Wow. Just wow!

So, that is the deal BBD exited…
"When I find out I was wrong, I change my mind. What do you do?" -attributed to John Maynard Keynes
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 1:53 pm

Aircellist wrote:
ExMilitaryEng wrote:
It will indeed be an Airbus Canada product, assembled under "arrangements" by Airbus USA in Mobile.

Airbus Canada pays Airbus USA to accomplish this portion of the work.


Wow. Just wow!

So, that is the deal BBD exited…


Why "wow"? I'd think it's pretty standard when a company operates cross-border with different legal entities. They share resources and tasks, but issue "invoices" and "payments" to the other (usually accounting entries) so that revenue / expenses / profits / taxes can be calculated on an entity-by-entity basis.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 2:04 pm

YYZYYT wrote:
Aircellist wrote:
ExMilitaryEng wrote:
It will indeed be an Airbus Canada product, assembled under "arrangements" by Airbus USA in Mobile.

Airbus Canada pays Airbus USA to accomplish this portion of the work.


Wow. Just wow!

So, that is the deal BBD exited…


Why "wow"? I'd think it's pretty standard when a company operates cross-border with different legal entities. They share resources and tasks, but issue "invoices" and "payments" to the other (usually accounting entries) so that revenue / expenses / profits / taxes can be calculated on an entity-by-entity basis.

Not even cross border. Airbus military is “paying” Airbus commercial for those A332 frames that the military division then converts to MRTTs. Boeing Capital “pays” Boeing Commercial for new planes (if they are leasing out a new frame).

Companies do not consist of one giant bank account that all money flows in and out of.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 3:07 pm

This is just basic transfer pricing, which all companies must follow in order to make sure profit and thus taxes are according to the law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_pricing
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 5:43 pm

Current year deliveries until end of April 2020:
  • 3 A220-100
  • 5 A220-300

What is the new target for the full year 2020?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 5:46 pm

A220 Mobile FAL seems to be completed.

The first parts of the first A220-300 for JetBlue (55099) are already on the production line in the Mobile A220 FAL. First of the A220 FAL will be completed end of 2020.

Wings of Quebec, use translator.
https://www.lesailesduquebec.com/airbus-inaugure-la-fal-a220-de-mobile/,
In German, AeroTelegraph, use translator.
https://www.aerotelegraph.com/airbus-verpasst-a220-produktion-mehr-schub

EDIT: and in English
https://aviationvoice.com/airbus-officially-opens-a220-final-assembly-line-in-mobile-202005191858/
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 6:54 pm

Does anyone know what the registration/ tail numbers will be for the jetBlue A220s?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 9:03 pm

SXDFC wrote:
Does anyone know what the registration/ tail numbers will be for the jetBlue A220s?

Sorry, but this is far to early.

Tomorrow, 20-May-2020, first flight of the first in Mobile assembled A220-300 shall be performed according rumors.
So 55070 for Delta shall perform the first flight. Source is: "Fliegerfaust", so a sometimes good informed source (...sometimes..,).
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 1:07 pm

Airbus Officially Opens its A220 Production Facility in the U.S.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/artic ... -u.s..html
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 1:18 pm

T4thH wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
Does anyone know what the registration/ tail numbers will be for the jetBlue A220s?

Sorry, but this is far to early.

Tomorrow, 20-May-2020, first flight of the first in Mobile assembled A220-300 shall be performed according rumors.
So 55070 for Delta shall perform the first flight. Source is: "Fliegerfaust", so a sometimes good informed source (...sometimes..,).


Fleigerfaust has been a reliable source for production matters. Sales, product development, politics? not so much.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 12:37 am

T4thH wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
Does anyone know what the registration/ tail numbers will be for the jetBlue A220s?

Sorry, but this is far to early.

Tomorrow, 20-May-2020, first flight of the first in Mobile assembled A220-300 shall be performed according rumors.
So 55070 for Delta shall perform the first flight. Source is: "Fliegerfaust", so a sometimes good informed source (...sometimes..,).


Normally you would see the Aircraft perform a RTO on Flight Tracker. That hasn't happened yet so no idea where FliegerFaust gets the First Flight info from...

ALSO, it says on Fliegerfaust:

The first pre-delivery flight of the MADE IN THE USA A220 should be happening on Tuesday May 26 at Mobile, Alabama airport.


https://www.fliegerfaust.com/airbus-a22 ... 34767.html

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