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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 12:37 am

T4thH wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
Does anyone know what the registration/ tail numbers will be for the jetBlue A220s?

Sorry, but this is far to early.

Tomorrow, 20-May-2020, first flight of the first in Mobile assembled A220-300 shall be performed according rumors.
So 55070 for Delta shall perform the first flight. Source is: "Fliegerfaust", so a sometimes good informed source (...sometimes..,).


Normally you would see the Aircraft perform a RTO on Flight Tracker. That hasn't happened yet so no idea where FliegerFaust gets the First Flight info from...

ALSO, it says on Fliegerfaust:

The first pre-delivery flight of the MADE IN THE USA A220 should be happening on Tuesday May 26 at Mobile, Alabama airport.


https://www.fliegerfaust.com/airbus-a22 ... 34767.html
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 9:07 am

bspc wrote:
T4thH wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
Does anyone know what the registration/ tail numbers will be for the jetBlue A220s?

Sorry, but this is far to early.

Tomorrow, 20-May-2020, first flight of the first in Mobile assembled A220-300 shall be performed according rumors.
So 55070 for Delta shall perform the first flight. Source is: "Fliegerfaust", so a sometimes good informed source (...sometimes..,).


Normally you would see the Aircraft perform a RTO on Flight Tracker. That hasn't happened yet so no idea where FliegerFaust gets the First Flight info from...

ALSO, it says on Fliegerfaust:

The first pre-delivery flight of the MADE IN THE USA A220 should be happening on Tuesday May 26 at Mobile, Alabama airport.


https://www.fliegerfaust.com/airbus-a22 ... 34767.html

I have seen the first date perhaps a week ago, seems Fliegerfaust got an update. So 26-May as scheduled date, I will be happy to see the first A220 produced in Mobile in the air.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 8:23 pm

77th (to fly) A220-300 has been today delivered to Air Canada.

A220-300, Air Canada, C-GJXW, C-GJXW (MSN 55082)
Delivered.
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55082

And has landed in Toronto.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c-gjxw#248db276

And the next Air Baltic A220-300 has performed the first flight.today.
A220-300, Air Baltic, C-FOVG, YL- (MSN 55086)
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55086
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 8:41 am

This might slow things down if it affected the A220's wing production line...Bombardier's Belfast Facility was damaged by a fire: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-52795113
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 1:48 pm

According to some comments I read on Twitter the fire was in the Bombardier's plant but not at the A220's production line.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:44 pm

According to some sources, this is the first A220-300, completed in Mobile and it is just now in the air for first flight.
https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB070/249dca45

ABCD List shows also "first flight".
https://www.abcdlist.nl/cseries/cseries.html

Also AIB family shows first flight.
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55070

So;
A220-300, Delta Air Lines, C-GPCA, N302DU (MSN 55070)

Is just performing the first flight.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:00 pm

It is back on the ground.

And Airbus US Twitter statement of the first flight.
https://twitter.com/AirbusInTheUS/status/1267891475427229701
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:12 pm

First test flight for DL's first A220-300 article

https://simpleflying.com/first-us-a220-flight/
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:22 pm

Delivered:
A220-300, Air Canada, C-GJYA, C-GJYA (MSN 55088)
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55088
This was a short delivery flight, from Montreal to Montreal for 31 km.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/c-gjya#24da127b
There are still 7 jets parked in Montreal and Mobile, ready to be taken up by the airlines...and only regular performing some taxi checks and engine runs (and additional one has performed first flight).
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:26 am

Any updates to A220 production capacity at Mobile? 2021 production list looks pretty low.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:53 am

flyby519 wrote:
Any updates to A220 production capacity at Mobile? 2021 production list looks pretty low.

Reputable site (use Google translate for French to English) indicates deliveries including Delta to recommence soon. Air Vanuatu may be the only significant delay due to government cash crunch.
https://www.lesailesduquebec.com/a220-1 ... reprendre/
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:28 pm

yyztpa2 wrote:
flyby519 wrote:
Any updates to A220 production capacity at Mobile? 2021 production list looks pretty low.

Reputable site (use Google translate for French to English) indicates deliveries including Delta to recommence soon. Air Vanuatu may be the only significant delay due to government cash crunch.
https://www.lesailesduquebec.com/a220-1 ... reprendre/

A translation:
" A generally well-informed source tells us that deliveries to Delta Airlines will finally resume in the coming days. The resumption of deliveries to Delta is good news for the A220 as it was expected to receive several in 2020. To date, the U.S. airline has received 31 A220-100s and there are 14 left to come."

This is very good news for the A220. It needs delivery to build up support economy of scale.

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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:02 pm

lightsaber wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
flyby519 wrote:
Any updates to A220 production capacity at Mobile? 2021 production list looks pretty low.

Reputable site (use Google translate for French to English) indicates deliveries including Delta to recommence soon. Air Vanuatu may be the only significant delay due to government cash crunch.
https://www.lesailesduquebec.com/a220-1 ... reprendre/

A translation:
" A generally well-informed source tells us that deliveries to Delta Airlines will finally resume in the coming days. The resumption of deliveries to Delta is good news for the A220 as it was expected to receive several in 2020. To date, the U.S. airline has received 31 A220-100s and there are 14 left to come."


'Several' is a bit of understatement. The DL Annual Report of Feb. '20 show a purchase commitment this year for 17 220-100s and 6 220-300s.

Going back to the French, I would translate 'plusieurs' as many, not several.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:19 pm

yyztpa2 wrote:
flyby519 wrote:
Any updates to A220 production capacity at Mobile? 2021 production list looks pretty low.

Reputable site (use Google translate for French to English) indicates deliveries including Delta to recommence soon. Air Vanuatu may be the only significant delay due to government cash crunch.
https://www.lesailesduquebec.com/a220-1 ... reprendre/


Would the DL A220-100s come from Montreal? Or Mobile?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:36 pm

flyby519 wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
flyby519 wrote:
Any updates to A220 production capacity at Mobile? 2021 production list looks pretty low.

Reputable site (use Google translate for French to English) indicates deliveries including Delta to recommence soon. Air Vanuatu may be the only significant delay due to government cash crunch.
https://www.lesailesduquebec.com/a220-1 ... reprendre/


Would the DL A220-100s come from Montreal? Or Mobile?

Currently, A220-300s destined for US airlines come from Mobile while A220-100s come from Mirabel. Delta should have both types ready with at least 3 x 100s from YMX and 1 x 300 from BFM.
Non US destined 300s are also from Mirabel..
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:36 pm

flyby519 wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
flyby519 wrote:
Any updates to A220 production capacity at Mobile? 2021 production list looks pretty low.

Reputable site (use Google translate for French to English) indicates deliveries including Delta to recommence soon. Air Vanuatu may be the only significant delay due to government cash crunch.
https://www.lesailesduquebec.com/a220-1 ... reprendre/


Would the DL A220-100s come from Montreal? Or Mobile?

I believe the -100s are YMX right now.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:58 pm

Thanks guys. Looking at the Mobile production slots and assuming DL takes 6 -300s and B6 gets 1 -300 for 2020 they are showing about 11-12 airframes slotted for production in 2021 which seems low compared to the 1-2/mo expectation. I also see 5 unassigned MSNs and wondered if those would be for Mobile once DL or Breeze firmed up some slots?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:09 pm

flyby519 wrote:
Thanks guys. Looking at the Mobile production slots and assuming DL takes 6 -300s and B6 gets 1 -300 for 2020 they are showing about 11-12 airframes slotted for production in 2021 which seems low compared to the 1-2/mo expectation. I also see 5 unassigned MSNs and wondered if those would be for Mobile once DL or Breeze firmed up some slots?

Well 1/mo is only 12 a year, so right now it’s tracking with the lower production number with that probably ramping up towards to the end of 2021 (may not be allotted for production yet)
 
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:16 am

Now joining Delta's 2nd production 300 (55070) in Mobile, the 3rd production 300 (55075) made it's first test flight from BFM today. The 1st production 300 (55069) has yet to fly due to repairs required from damage received from fire retardant received during FAL fire in 2019.

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55075
 
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:56 am

yyztpa2 wrote:
Now joining Delta's 2nd production 300 (55070) in Mobile, the 3rd production 300 (55075) made it's first test flight from BFM today. The 1st production 300 (55069) has yet to fly due to repairs required from damage received from fire retardant received during FAL fire in 2019.

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55075


Was there actually a fire? I thought it was an accidental release of the retardant.
 
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Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:56 am

I’ve been looking around and couldn’t find an answer, Is there a way to find out when a test flight/ taxi test and RTO is going to happen at least 48 hours before then at BFM?
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Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:39 pm

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I’ve been looking around and couldn’t find an answer, Is there a way to find out when a test flight/ taxi test and RTO is going to happen at least 48 hours before then at BFM?


Unless you know somebody who works there, probably not. The Flight plan even never gets picked up on FlightAware and those could be filed only a few hours before the flight actually takes off.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:04 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
Now joining Delta's 2nd production 300 (55070) in Mobile, the 3rd production 300 (55075) made it's first test flight from BFM today. The 1st production 300 (55069) has yet to fly due to repairs required from damage received from fire retardant received during FAL fire in 2019.

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55075


Was there actually a fire? I thought it was an accidental release of the retardant.

Corrosion and water damage. Many subsystems would require replacement and some wiring.

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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:25 pm

lightsaber wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
yyztpa2 wrote:
Now joining Delta's 2nd production 300 (55070) in Mobile, the 3rd production 300 (55075) made it's first test flight from BFM today. The 1st production 300 (55069) has yet to fly due to repairs required from damage received from fire retardant received during FAL fire in 2019.

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55075


Was there actually a fire? I thought it was an accidental release of the retardant.

Corrosion and water damage. Many subsystems would require replacement and some wiring.

Lightsaber


I'm aware of that, I'm asking if there really was a fire on the FAL. I believe the reports said it was just an accidental deployment of fire suppression systems.
 
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Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:51 pm

It looks like on track to restart deliveries at a reasonable rate.

ikolkyo wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:

Was there actually a fire? I thought it was an accidental release of the retardant.

Corrosion and water damage. Many subsystems would require replacement and some wiring.

Lightsaber


I'm aware of that, I'm asking if there really was a fire on the FAL. I believe the reports said it was just an accidental deployment of fire suppression systems.

No actual fire. Those systems false trigger often.

I was replying why it needed time for repairs.

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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:33 pm

Egypt air is just now taking up two of their A220 in Montreal.
55081 and 55087.
Egypt Air A220-300 SU-GEX (55058) has flown on 22-Jul from Cairo over Dublin to Montreal, seems to have carried the crews and the Egypt Air team, to take up the planes. The jet is now back on the way to Cairo over Dublin again.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/su-gex#250605ab

55081 has performed the Customer Acceptance flight on 23-Jul-2020,
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55081
55087 has performed the second flight on 24-Jul-2020.
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55087

In Montreal, jets are also delivered on Saturdays. Perhaps we will see the first delivery flight soon.
Delta has now 7 A220 planes, who have performed test flights, 5 of them are ready to be taken up.
Egypt air is able to fly around the world, to take up their planes, but Delta is not willed to taken up even the first A220-300 in Mobile...
 
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:41 pm

Today, two A220-300 have been delivered.
A220-300, EgyptAir, C-FOVH, SU-GFH (MSN 55087)

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55087
and
A220-300, Air Canada, C-GJYC, C-GJYC (MSN 55090)

https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55090

Interestingly, the "older" of both A220-300, of EgyptAir, MSN 55981, is still not delivered. It has had already 5 flights, of them already two Customer acceptance flights. Seems something went wrong?
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55081
I still hope, we will see the delivery in Jul-2020 (so today or tomorrow).

Now 5x A220-100 and 2x A220-300 are waiting to be delivered/taken up to/by Delta Airlines, additional one A220-300 (55081) for EgyptAir and one A220-300 for AirBaltic (55086). AitBaltic has already confirmed, they will take up 3x additional A220-300 till end of this year (but seems earliest starting in Sep-2020). Delta Airlines are just not taking up any planes now.
 
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:47 pm

T4thH wrote:
Egypt air is just now taking up two of their A220 in Montreal.
55081 and 55087.
Egypt Air A220-300 SU-GEX (55058) has flown on 22-Jul from Cairo over Dublin to Montreal, seems to have carried the crews and the Egypt Air team, to take up the planes. The jet is now back on the way to Cairo over Dublin again.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/su-gex#250605ab

55081 has performed the Customer Acceptance flight on 23-Jul-2020,
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55081
55087 has performed the second flight on 24-Jul-2020.
https://aibfamily.flights/A220/55087

In Montreal, jets are also delivered on Saturdays. Perhaps we will see the first delivery flight soon.
Delta has now 7 A220 planes, who have performed test flights, 5 of them are ready to be taken up.
Egypt air is able to fly around the world, to take up their planes, but Delta is not willed to taken up even the first A220-300 in Mobile...


Each of Air Canada and EygyptAir flew one each out of YMX today. For EygyptAir, it was 55087 before 55081. Perhaps 55081 will leave shortly also.
The Air Canada delivery of 55090 was likely earlier this week when it moved from the AirBus facility to another facility at a different area of YMX.

Delta continues to hold on their backlog
 
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Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:55 pm

yep 55081 delivery flight was scheduled for today. Not sure if it will still make it
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MSR3331
 
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Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:44 pm

MD80MKE wrote:
yep 55081 delivery flight was scheduled for today. Not sure if it will still make it
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MSR3331



Interesting outcome of the EgyptAir visit and possible reason why 55081 did not leave with 55087.

https://www.985fm.ca/nouvelles/sante/32 ... -a-mirabel (requires Google Translate).

Looks like the delegation did not follow quarantine. I was wondering how 55087 left prior to required 14 day quarantine.
 
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First A220 for Air Vanuatu has rolled out of the paint shop.

Seems perfect for MNL-VLI..... :cheerful:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-VLI&MS=wls&DU=nm
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Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:30 pm

Thirteen A220 have been delivered this year until end of July.
What's the plan for the remaining 5 months of the year?
 
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Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:58 pm

Devilfish wrote:
DTWorld wrote:
First A220 for Air Vanuatu has rolled out of the paint shop.

Seems perfect for MNL-VLI..... :cheerful:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-VLI&MS=wls&DU=nm

But let us see, when Air Vanatu will take it up. They have already stated, they will take it but later (sounds like in 2021, but can be also just a little bit later in this year), this was in News in Jun, but also financing of all four by lessors is secured (Mar?).
I am happy to see it painted, I have feared a little bit to see a white tail.

Edit:
Delayed take up, source:
https://simpleflying.com/air-vanuatu-a220-deliveries/
Take up was first scheduled for Jul-2020.
https://latteluxurynews.com/2020/06/15/air-vanuatu-postpones-a220-deliveries/
Project financing finalized:
https://corporate.southpacificislands.travel/air-vanuatu-finalizes-a220-project-financing/
 
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Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:19 pm

Devilfish wrote:
DTWorld wrote:
First A220 for Air Vanuatu has rolled out of the paint shop.

Seems perfect for MNL-VLI..... :cheerful:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-VLI&MS=wls&DU=nm


There is NOT enough traffic volume between Philippines and Vanuatu.
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There is NOT enough traffic volume between Philippines and Vanuatu.

Hence the smiley. The A223 could easily do the route due to lack of passengers even if it is at the limits of its range envelope. It'd be a money loser obviously and a dig at other ASAs that exist for ASA's sake. OTOH, it'd be nice to fly to another piece of paradise in the South Pacific and not worry about social distancing on the way there. :crowded:
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Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:49 pm

There are fewer and fewer A220-100 deliveries.

Are they going to stop producing A220-100 soon?
 
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Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:07 pm

VV wrote:
There are fewer and fewer A220-100 deliveries.

Are they going to stop producing A220-100 soon?


There's a virus going around if you haven't heard.
 
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Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:12 pm

777Mech wrote:
VV wrote:
There are fewer and fewer A220-100 deliveries.

Are they going to stop producing A220-100 soon?


There's a virus going around if you haven't heard.


There are still A220-300 deliveries.
 
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Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:47 pm

VV wrote:
There are fewer and fewer A220-100 deliveries.

Are they going to stop producing A220-100 soon?


No, Mirabel is a bit slow at the moment. There was actually a mini COVID outbreak at the Mirabel FAL when egyptAir representatives came by a few weeks ago. So it will take some time until anything -100 picks up. According to the AIB Family Flights site there are still a dozen or so -100 in the Production List.
 
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Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:44 am

bspc wrote:
VV wrote:
There are fewer and fewer A220-100 deliveries.

Are they going to stop producing A220-100 soon?


No, Mirabel is a bit slow at the moment. There was actually a mini COVID outbreak at the Mirabel FAL when egyptAir representatives came by a few weeks ago. So it will take some time until anything -100 picks up. According to the AIB Family Flights site there are still a dozen or so -100 in the Production List.


You said, "Mirabel is a bit slow at the moment."
This is a very important information because it means the production rate of 4 per month seems to have been reduced.
What is the current estimated production rate?

Follow-up questions are of course.
  1. How many units have been built but not yet delivered?
  2. how many aircraft are expected to be delivered between between August 2020 and December 2020 inclusive?

Basically, the question is, "What's the plan for the remaining of 2020?"
 
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Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:30 pm

VV wrote:
bspc wrote:
VV wrote:
There are fewer and fewer A220-100 deliveries.

Are they going to stop producing A220-100 soon?


No, Mirabel is a bit slow at the moment. There was actually a mini COVID outbreak at the Mirabel FAL when egyptAir representatives came by a few weeks ago. So it will take some time until anything -100 picks up. According to the AIB Family Flights site there are still a dozen or so -100 in the Production List.


You said, "Mirabel is a bit slow at the moment."
This is a very important information because it means the production rate of 4 per month seems to have been reduced.
What is the current estimated production rate?

Follow-up questions are of course.
  1. How many units have been built but not yet delivered?
  2. how many aircraft are expected to be delivered between between August 2020 and December 2020 inclusive?

Basically, the question is, "What's the plan for the remaining of 2020?"

They had a mini Covid19 outbreak. I do not believe this was a planned slowdown, but rather a reaction to Covid19.

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Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:38 pm

777Mech wrote:
VV wrote:
There are fewer and fewer A220-100 deliveries.

Are they going to stop producing A220-100 soon?


There's a virus going around if you haven't heard.

Even absent the virus A221s deliveries will be slowing to a crawl soon absent more orders.

Delta has about a dozen left and after that it is mostly suspect orders like Gulf Air and Odyssey.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:28 pm

If an airline would order couple of A220-300s right now and willing to receive them asap. How long would be the wait for this airline to get the first frames delivered?

Does some airlines are delaying their slots?

Many thanks.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:31 am

Polot wrote:
Delta has about a dozen left and after that it is mostly suspect orders like Gulf Air and Odyssey.


Air France doesn't seem to be delaying delivery for its big order:

https://www.airfranceklm.com/en/air-fra ... e-domestic

the fleet will be renewed at a sustained pace with the arrival of the first Airbus A220-300s starting in September 2021
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:04 am

A380MSN004 wrote:
If an airline would order couple of A220-300s right now and willing to receive them asap. How long would be the wait for this airline to get the first frames delivered?

Does some airlines are delaying their slots?

Many thanks.

How long does it take to remove the Delta logos? There were 2 completed and test flown A220-300s a couple of months ago (1 Delta, 1 AirBaltic). Should be more now - how many do you want?
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:09 am

ADent wrote:
A380MSN004 wrote:
If an airline would order couple of A220-300s right now and willing to receive them asap. How long would be the wait for this airline to get the first frames delivered?

Does some airlines are delaying their slots?

Many thanks.

How long does it take to remove the Delta logos? There were 2 completed and test flown A220-300s a couple of months ago (1 Delta, 1 AirBaltic). Should be more now - how many do you want?

Just because deliveries are delayed doesn’t mean Airbus is allowed to hand those aircraft over to another customer. As long as the customer has made all agreed upon payments and agreed upon fees for deferring then they are not in breach of contract.

The customer needs to give an indication that they will never take those frames or Airbus has to negotiate with the customer. Can’t sell them to someone else and be in a situation where come November the original customer wants the plane and whoops now Airbus is the one who has to delay delivery because they no longer have a plane for them.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:19 am

Polot wrote:
ADent wrote:
A380MSN004 wrote:
If an airline would order couple of A220-300s right now and willing to receive them asap. How long would be the wait for this airline to get the first frames delivered?

Does some airlines are delaying their slots?

Many thanks.

How long does it take to remove the Delta logos? There were 2 completed and test flown A220-300s a couple of months ago (1 Delta, 1 AirBaltic). Should be more now - how many do you want?

Just because deliveries are delayed doesn’t mean Airbus is allowed to hand those aircraft over to another customer. The customer needs to give an indication that they will never take those frames or Airbus has to negotiate with the customer. Can’t sell them to someone else and be in a situation where come November the original customer wants the plane and whoops now Airbus is the one who has to delay delivery because they no longer have a plane for them.


Since last week, Delta is taking up planes from Airbus again. They have taken up two A320 family members. The last have had been taken up in Mar-2020.
After prolonged time parked (only performing regular some engine runs and taxi checks), 4x A220-100 and 2x A220-300 have recently started to perform test flights again. Only one A220-100 is still parked. So we can expect some deliveries in next days and weeks.
Edit: A220-100 50051 and 50053 are already handed over, so they shall perform the delivery flight soon.

If someone orders a A220 and want to get it ASAP, as seen in last years for some customers, you can get the A220 in around 12 to 18 month after finalization of the contract.
Additional there are 6x A220-300 parked by lessors in the Netherlands and waiting to be picked up. They were original scheduled for RedWings, but have not been taken up.
3x was planned to lease them to Green Africa in summer; then the aviation market got COVID.
3x were planned to be leased to Air Madagascar in Q1 2020, then they got in financial trouble.

So it seem 3x A220-300 can be leased in narrow time.
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:45 am

Theres actually a decent number of Delta planes going nowhere and in the short term storage configuration (both 321s and 220s) at the BFM FAL. Looks like Delta not taking them right now
 
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Re: Airbus A220 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:14 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
If an airline would order couple of A220-300s right now and willing to receive them asap. How long would be the wait for this airline to get the first frames delivered?

Does some airlines are delaying their slots?

Many thanks.


It depends who you ask, but there are some delivered NTU frames parked in MST, so it would cost you a few days to get them up and running, shrinkwrap them with your favorite logo's and you're good to go :D
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