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Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:44 pm

I think 2019 was a great year for the A330.
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:16 pm

I can only hope that 2020 would be kinder to the A338..... :crossfingers:

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In total how many A330s was delivered in 2019.
 
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UAEflyer wrote:
In total how many A330s was delivered in 2019.


Unofficially it’s 49, with 37 being A330neos - https://aibfamily.flights/statistics/A3 ... 2019-12-31
 
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bspc wrote:
UAEflyer wrote:
In total how many A330s was delivered in 2019.


Unofficially it’s 49, with 37 being A330neos - https://aibfamily.flights/statistics/A3 ... 2019-12-31


Ok, so about 4.3/mont on average. Not very good but not too bad either.
Does anyone know what the planned production rate for 2020 are?
 
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SteinarN wrote:
bspc wrote:
UAEflyer wrote:
In total how many A330s was delivered in 2019.


Unofficially it’s 49, with 37 being A330neos - https://aibfamily.flights/statistics/A3 ... 2019-12-31


Ok, so about 4.3/mont on average. Not very good but not too bad either.
Does anyone know what the planned production rate for 2020 are?


It is actually 4.08 in regards to 12 month or 4.45 in regards to 11 month. I expect 1 or 2 frames to be delivered but not flown out.

Planed production rate for 2020 is 5 a month, or 60 for the year.
 
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mjoelnir wrote:
SteinarN wrote:
bspc wrote:

Unofficially it’s 49, with 37 being A330neos - https://aibfamily.flights/statistics/A3 ... 2019-12-31


Ok, so about 4.3/mont on average. Not very good but not too bad either.
Does anyone know what the planned production rate for 2020 are?


It is actually 4.08 in regards to 12 month or 4.45 in regards to 11 month. I expect 1 or 2 frames to be delivered but not flown out.

Planed production rate for 2020 is 5 a month, or 60 for the year.
There are 2 x A339 for TAP Portugal in Toulouse that should be ready for the delivery flight
 
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:28 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
SteinarN wrote:
bspc wrote:

Unofficially it’s 49, with 37 being A330neos - https://aibfamily.flights/statistics/A3 ... 2019-12-31


Ok, so about 4.3/mont on average. Not very good but not too bad either.
Does anyone know what the planned production rate for 2020 are?


It is actually 4.08 in regards to 12 month or 4.45 in regards to 11 month. I expect 1 or 2 frames to be delivered but not flown out.

Planed production rate for 2020 is 5 a month, or 60 for the year.


I was using Airbus' 11.5 months production each year.

Ok. If Airbus can deliver 60 330neo next year that would be very good. That would be about 42% of the 787 planned production. If Airbus can manage to continue selling 330neo's at the pace it has been doing the last several years and Boeing possibly need to lower production of the 787 to say 10/month from -21 then I would say Airbus should be very satisfied with the 330neo sales and delivery performance.
 
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:27 pm

5 or 6 /month was the A330 rate the 1990s and most of the 2000s. While having 10/month is nice that didnt happen till sometime early this decade. They werent losing money in a big way at those lower rates, they just wont be making tons of money like they would at high rates.
 
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:08 pm

I think they need to raise the output to burn through the order book until A350 NEO and then A330 really has no viable future.
 
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4.5 a month / 50 a year is the aim and realistic. Not expected to increase.

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Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:24 pm

Vladex wrote:
I think they need to raise the output to burn through the order book until A350 NEO and then A330 really has no viable future.


The A350neo is some way off yet - while it has certainly been rumoured, the engine technology simply isn't here yet. And even when it is, you've got at least of 5 (public) years of development, testing and certification, followed by a few years before production ramps up to any meaningful rate. Plus, given the failure of the A350-800 Airbus will probably be looking at a clean sheet to replace the A330neo in 10 or so years, the A350 is simply a much bigger frame.

The A330neo has a LOT of life left in it yet, it will keep picking up small orders here and there, bolstered by large orders outstanding orders from Delta, Cebu, Virgin and AirAsia X (...and yes they're likely to convert, but they have a tendency to convert everything back and forth...). Who knows JetBlue or IndiGo might even join the party yet...
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Geoff1947 wrote:
4.5 a month / 50 a year is the aim and realistic. Not expected to increase.

Geoff


The production was hampered this year by receiving to few Trent7000., still there were 49 frames delivered (unofficial numbers), some airlines did not get the expected frames. Net orders of A330, 50, exceeded deliveries, 37.

But I would agree with 4.5 long term per month would be a good rate too for an elderly design. I still expect it to hit rather 5 a month right away in 2020, not because the backlog is that huge, but because airlines want to get their frames.

I talk always about the A330 production rate, not A330neo production rate. It is the same production line and we will keep seeing A330-200 being produced for MRTT conversion

Just to clarify, the A330/340 production rate never reached 10 frames a month, it topped out around 9 a month. Again the same production line.
 
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:30 pm

JamesCousins wrote:

The A330neo has a LOT of life left in it yet, it will keep picking up small orders here and there, bolstered by large orders outstanding orders from Delta, Cebu, Virgin and AirAsia X (...and yes they're likely to convert, but they have a tendency to convert everything back and forth...). Who knows JetBlue or IndiGo might even join the party yet...


Even Air France would be a surprise but not a shock.
 
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What about the two Rwand Air Frames ? When should be the deliverie ? Another question is about the Prototypes. Will they sell them as well ?
 
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:03 pm

Please remember this is the Production/ Delivery Thread, so please stay on topic and continue your discussion about possible order etc. in a separate thread. Thanks.
 
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When is DAL to take delivery of #5? It's been on the line for over a month now
 
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When is DAL to take delivery of #5? It's been on the line for over a month now

mid-Jan. DL is scheduled to receive 7 in 2020.
 
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:46 pm

Thanks for quick response.....I'm guessing 6&7 should follow rather quickly also

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
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When is DAL to take delivery of #5? It's been on the line for over a month now

mid-Jan. DL is scheduled to receive 7 in 2020.
 
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mjoelnir wrote:
Geoff1947 wrote:
4.5 a month / 50 a year is the aim and realistic. Not expected to increase.

Geoff


The production was hampered this year by receiving to few Trent7000., still there were 49 frames delivered (unofficial numbers), some airlines did not get the expected frames. Net orders of A330, 50, exceeded deliveries, 37.

But I would agree with 4.5 long term per month would be a good rate too for an elderly design. I still expect it to hit rather 5 a month right away in 2020, not because the backlog is that huge, but because airlines want to get their frames.

I talk always about the A330 production rate, not A330neo production rate. It is the same production line and we will keep seeing A330-200 being produced for MRTT conversion

Just to clarify, the A330/340 production rate never reached 10 frames a month, it topped out around 9 a month. Again the same production line.


A330 annual deliveries peaked at 108 in both 2013 and 2014.

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Geoff1947 wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
Geoff1947 wrote:
4.5 a month / 50 a year is the aim and realistic. Not expected to increase.

Geoff


The production was hampered this year by receiving to few Trent7000., still there were 49 frames delivered (unofficial numbers), some airlines did not get the expected frames. Net orders of A330, 50, exceeded deliveries, 37.

But I would agree with 4.5 long term per month would be a good rate too for an elderly design. I still expect it to hit rather 5 a month right away in 2020, not because the backlog is that huge, but because airlines want to get their frames.

I talk always about the A330 production rate, not A330neo production rate. It is the same production line and we will keep seeing A330-200 being produced for MRTT conversion

Just to clarify, the A330/340 production rate never reached 10 frames a month, it topped out around 9 a month. Again the same production line.


A330 annual deliveries peaked at 108 in both 2013 and 2014.

Geoff


108 divided by 12 is exactly 9, divided by 11.5 it is still only 9.4. So what is your point?
 
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mjoelnir wrote:
Geoff1947 wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:

The production was hampered this year by receiving to few Trent7000., still there were 49 frames delivered (unofficial numbers), some airlines did not get the expected frames. Net orders of A330, 50, exceeded deliveries, 37.

But I would agree with 4.5 long term per month would be a good rate too for an elderly design. I still expect it to hit rather 5 a month right away in 2020, not because the backlog is that huge, but because airlines want to get their frames.

I talk always about the A330 production rate, not A330neo production rate. It is the same production line and we will keep seeing A330-200 being produced for MRTT conversion

Just to clarify, the A330/340 production rate never reached 10 frames a month, it topped out around 9 a month. Again the same production line.


A330 annual deliveries peaked at 108 in both 2013 and 2014.

Geoff


108 divided by 12 is exactly 9, divided by 11.5 it is still only 9.4. So what is your point?


I don’t have a ‘point’ , I just like facts.

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patschinger wrote:
What about the two Rwand Air Frames ? When should be the deliverie ? Another question is about the Prototypes. Will they sell them as well ?
I have the same question. The first one was rolled out 8 months ago, then all of the sudden... silence
 
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godsbeloved wrote:
patschinger wrote:
What about the two Rwand Air Frames ? When should be the deliverie ? Another question is about the Prototypes. Will they sell them as well ?
I have the same question. The first one was rolled out 8 months ago, then all of the sudden... silence

I think this has something to do with it. https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/busine ... index.html
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Uganda Airlines to become the A330-800 launch customer: https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/12 ... 3124243457
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The former WOW Air A330 NEO has been repainted:

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Are we going to see the first 800 for Kuwait anytime soon?
 
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Are we going to see the first 800 for Kuwait anytime soon?


Out of FAL:

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A330 Neo Kuwait Airways & A350 German Air Force by @Eurospot, on Flickr
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Is there any sign of the first Corsair International a330neo?
 
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PepeTheFrog wrote:
Olly2185 wrote:
Are we going to see the first 800 for Kuwait anytime soon?


Out of FAL:

A330 Neo Kuwait Airways & A350 German Air Force by @Eurospot, on Flickr

I thought KU didn't want to be the launch A338 operator so UR is taking over the first two frames :confused:
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Looks like the second Citilink A330neo is going home today (MSN 1870).

By my count that was the last ex-Wow Air A330neo.
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PepeTheFrog wrote:
Looks like the second Citilink A330neo is going home today (MSN 1870).

By my count that was the last ex-Wow Air A330neo.


Indeed, some more details...

A new A339 delivery flight on 2020-01-17 for Citilink
A330neo delivery flight #41

Airbus A330-941 MSN1870 PK-GYA Citilink (#2) delivery 2020-01-17 TLS-CGK ex F-WWKS

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Devilfish wrote:
PepeTheFrog wrote:
Olly2185 wrote:
Are we going to see the first 800 for Kuwait anytime soon?


Out of FAL:

A330 Neo Kuwait Airways & A350 German Air Force by @Eurospot, on Flickr

I thought KU didn't want to be the launch A338 operator so UR is taking over the first two frames :confused:


Do you have a source for that? The only one I saw mention that is Alex Macheras on Twitter quoting an article that he himself wrote...while the KU A330neo was in final assembly.
 
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MoonC wrote:
Do you have a source for that? The only one I saw mention that is Alex Macheras on Twitter quoting an article that he himself wrote...while the KU A330neo was in final assembly.

That was why I asked...due to the link in reply #26. But this may have some bearing on that.....

https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/k ... 61.article


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Devilfish wrote:
MoonC wrote:
Do you have a source for that? The only one I saw mention that is Alex Macheras on Twitter quoting an article that he himself wrote...while the KU A330neo was in final assembly.

That was why I asked...due to the link in reply #26. But this may have some bearing on that.....

https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/k ... 61.article


Please note that among the photo lineup, only one tail is unpainted.


The all white tail is the German Air Force A350.
 
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The all white tail is the German Air Force A350.

Okay...my bad...so it is cn1964 in the foreground. Guess we'll just have to wait for the full livery to be applied.
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Airbus press release on a330-800 certification today.

https://airbuspress.airbus-helicopters. ... tml?id=444
 
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I'm still shocked Airbus went ahead with the A330-800.

Even the A350-800 got far more orders and got axed.
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I'm still shocked Airbus went ahead with the A330-800.

Even the A350-800 got far more orders and got axed.


How are you "shocked"? There are Test Flight almost every day from F-WTTO.
 
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I'm still shocked Airbus went ahead with the A330-800.

Even the A350-800 got far more orders and got axed.


The A350-800 was an expensive product to finish, the A330-800 was an inexpensive product to finish. Airbus will not need to sell a lot of frames to get a ROI for the A330-800. It will be also a base for future tankers and freighters.
 
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Production rate reduced to just over 3 a month

https://leehamnews.com/2020/02/13/airbu ... more-32586

It will reduce A330 deliveries from 53 in 2019 to a planned 40 for 2020. In reality, this is a modest reduction in delivery rate as some of the 2019 aircraft were readied in 2018 but lacked engines pushed them to 2019 delivery..... Airbus thinks a delivery rate ~40 A330neo is the right level for years to come in a widebody market that has weakened
 
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Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:26 pm

A338 first delivery will be mid-2020 at 242t MTOW, with a 251t version to be certified in 2021:

"The manufacturer is in the process of developing a higher MTOW version that would allow the aircraft to weigh 251 tons at take-off, resulting in a range of 8,150 nautical miles (15,100 kilometers), an Airbus spokesperson confirmed to AeroTime. The A330-800 with a higher MTOW is planned to operate its first flight in 2021, with the certification to follow the same year, stated the Airbus representative.

Airbus plans to start deliveries of the A330-800 to airlines in mid-2020."

https://www.aerotime.aero/rytis.beresne ... tification
 
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Would this make a good base for a freighter version?
 
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Would this make a good base for a freighter version?

The 251T is possible. The 242T, no.

Has anyone calculated maximum payload range of a theoretical A338F? If over 4,500nm (still air), than it would sell well. If not, it will only sell as well as the original A330F.

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I think what hurts the A330 family as a freighter is it's wingspan - while it is perfect as an MD-10 replacement, is a decent MD-11 replacement and offers far more payload/range then an A300 or A310, it will not fit in any of those gates / ramp areas. This is one of the reasons why I think FedEx and UPS have not (yet) shown serious interest in it and instead have consolidated on the 767. The 767's payload-range is also fine for intra-continental ops within the Americas and EU, which is where a significant number of the A300 and MD-1x fleets are employed.

The A330 has sold to operators where infrastructure was not an issue - they didn't have widebody freighters so they were starting fresh, they already only operated widebodies with spans equal to or greater than the A330, or the had so few widebodies that upgrading their existing infrastructure was not a burden.
 
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At the bottom the A330F is to big to compete with the 767-300F, at the top it's performance wasn't good enough to compete with the 777F.

A A330neoF can only compete at the top with the 777F. The question is if the performance is good enough to match the range of the 777F and if the economics make it a cheaper option to buy and operate it over the 777F.
 
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Double delivery for TAP with A339's with both CS-TUQ and CS-TUS being delivered 14 Feb TLS-LIS

https://twitter.com/NikPhillips666/stat ... 63105?s=20

https://twitter.com/NikPhillips666/stat ... 85506?s=20
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qf789 wrote:
Double delivery for TAP with A339's with both CS-TUQ and CS-TUS being delivered 14 Feb TLS-LIS

https://twitter.com/NikPhillips666/stat ... 63105?s=20

https://twitter.com/NikPhillips666/stat ... 85506?s=20


Both were contractual delivered in December 2019, So deliveries stay at one for this year so far.

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