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Bigant0408 wrote:DL: I feel will be stagnant
jplatts wrote:Bigant0408 wrote:DL: I feel will be stagnant
DL adding PHL-LAX and PHL-SEA nonstop service might be a possibility with LAX and SEA both being top destinations that DL doesn't currently serve nonstop from PHL. DL mainline also has more market share at PHL than UA mainline does, and DL also has more market share at PHL than AS, B6, NK, or SY.
LAX and SEA are also the only DL hubs or focus city airports outside of NYC that DL doesn't currently serve nonstop from PHL.
jplatts wrote:Bigant0408 wrote:DL: I feel will be stagnant
DL adding PHL-LAX and PHL-SEA nonstop service might be a possibility with LAX and SEA both being top destinations that DL doesn't currently serve nonstop from PHL. DL mainline also has more market share at PHL than UA mainline does, and DL also has more market share at PHL than AS, B6, NK, or SY.
LAX and SEA are also the only DL hubs or focus city airports outside of NYC that DL doesn't currently serve nonstop from PHL.
PHLspecial wrote:JAL coming to PHL would be wishlist for 2021.
FI most likely will come back maybe fly later into the year if they get the Max 8 back.
NK and F9 continue flighting to Florida and SJU.
We could SY continue to grow with a route to PDX.
AA a couple adds to leisure destinations in the U.S. and Saturday flights. Europe I predict maybe on one route to Poland of some sort. I don't see more Europe routes until the A321XLR comes online.
AS I could see the SFO getting cut because of the focus on SEA.
All other airlines will probably stay the same. I don't really expect a new airline this year.
Nicknuzzii wrote:When does AA start getting their XLR’s? I really hope they plan on expanding their transatlantic offerings from PHL with them, HEL/WAW/NCE/MXP/
FRA/MUC/TLV? all seem like possible adds.
PHLspecial wrote:Can someone confirm is SY up to 2 flights daily?
PHLspecial wrote:Can someone confirm is SY up to 2 flights daily?
Nicknuzzii wrote:When does AA start getting their XLR’s? I really hope they plan on expanding their transatlantic offerings from PHL with them, HEL/WAW/NCE/MXP/FRA/MUC/TLV? all seem like possible adds.
PHLspecial wrote:Okay will I jump the gun in SY being twice daily. See I didn't know they switch the flight times for MSP route. So opps![]()
Yeah I see they are going away for the winter months. Do they count as seasonal or year round now? I see their website they count as year round service
PHLspecial wrote:JAL coming to PHL would be wishlist for 2021.
FI most likely will come back maybe fly later into the year if they get the Max 8 back.
NK and F9 continue flighting to Florida and SJU.
We could SY continue to grow with a route to PDX.
AA a couple adds to leisure destinations in the U.S. and Saturday flights. Europe I predict maybe on one route to Poland of some sort. I don't see more Europe routes until the A321XLR comes online.
AS I could see the SFO getting cut because of the focus on SEA.
All other airlines will probably stay the same. I don't really expect a new airline this year.
TheFlyGuy wrote:Happy New Year, all! Here is my two cents on what we could see in the way of new service announcements:
AA adding additional domestic non-stops...some i see with a realistic probability include SBN, TUL, LIT, DAB, VPS, ECP, AGS, TOL, FNT, HSV, SMF, additional weekly seasonal service to leisure destinations such as JAC (depending on the success of EGE, BZN and TVC), and perhaps PDX becoming year-round.
Any new international service from AA likely wouldn't start until 2021, but MXP, HEL and a return to BRU seem plausible new year-round destinations. I echo others that LYS, NCE, VIE, WAW/KRK, AGP are candidates for seasonal service.
I'd love to see another international carrier at PHL and fingers crossed that JAL announces nonstop service to PHL but we shall see. A dark horse foreign carrier I could see entering PHL is Volaris to MEX or GDL, as they codeshare with F9. Volaris serves CLT (and was able to withstand AA launching the route seasonally, which has since been dropped), and Mexico seems like an underserved market from PHL. I know AA launched and then dropped MEX service after just a few months, but I think the success of that route was partly hampered by inconvenient flight times as the arrival time in MEX was around midnight.
I am looking forward to the launch of AA to CMN this summer even if it is just seasonally and 3x weekly on a 757. With RAM joining OW this year my hope is that CMN eventually becomes year-round daily and perhaps AA follows by launching seasonal service to RAK at some point.
Bigant0408 wrote:Happy New Year to you too. I think you make good valid points on potential service. You mentioned Volaris and that made me think of Interjet as I know they have a codeshare with AA. I'm sure as we all know majority of announcements will fall with AA but still I look forward to 2020.
TheFlyGuy wrote:Bigant0408 wrote:Happy New Year to you too. I think you make good valid points on potential service. You mentioned Volaris and that made me think of Interjet as I know they have a codeshare with AA. I'm sure as we all know majority of announcements will fall with AA but still I look forward to 2020.
I totally forgot that AA has a codeshare with Interjet. In that case I would prefer Interjet come to PHL as they tend to offer more daily service whereas Volaris operates many markets less than daily. Interjet actually codeshares with several OW members, so they seem like the most likely Mexican airline to launch service to PHL. Additionally, it looks like they’ve placed a large order of A320neo’s, so perhaps PHL could be the beneficiary of this expansion (I’m assuming PHL-MEX is within range of the A320neo but someone correct me if this is false). Any speculation about new routes from PHL is just that until flights are actually announced and bookable, but it gives me hope that we might see some/one of these come to fruition in 2020.
Also, correction to my previous post where I incorrectly stated that AA launched seasonal CLT-GDL nonstop service after Volaris and has since dropped it...I just did a dummy booking and it looks as though both AA and Volaris continue to operate the route 2x weekly and both appear to be year-round. My mistake.
Bigant0408 wrote:TheFlyGuy wrote:Bigant0408 wrote:Happy New Year to you too. I think you make good valid points on potential service. You mentioned Volaris and that made me think of Interjet as I know they have a codeshare with AA. I'm sure as we all know majority of announcements will fall with AA but still I look forward to 2020.
I totally forgot that AA has a codeshare with Interjet. In that case I would prefer Interjet come to PHL as they tend to offer more daily service whereas Volaris operates many markets less than daily. Interjet actually codeshares with several OW members, so they seem like the most likely Mexican airline to launch service to PHL. Additionally, it looks like they’ve placed a large order of A320neo’s, so perhaps PHL could be the beneficiary of this expansion (I’m assuming PHL-MEX is within range of the A320neo but someone correct me if this is false). Any speculation about new routes from PHL is just that until flights are actually announced and bookable, but it gives me hope that we might see some/one of these come to fruition in 2020.
Also, correction to my previous post where I incorrectly stated that AA launched seasonal CLT-GDL nonstop service after Volaris and has since dropped it...I just did a dummy booking and it looks as though both AA and Volaris continue to operate the route 2x weekly and both appear to be year-round. My mistake.
I’m positive the 320neo can reach that far especially since AA had used their 319 for the MEX route. Yea Interjet would probably be a better fit IMO as well
TheFlyGuy wrote:Happy New Year, all! Here is my two cents on what we could see in the way of new service announcements:
AA adding additional domestic non-stops...some i see with a realistic probability include SBN, TUL, LIT, DAB, VPS, ECP, AGS, TOL, FNT, HSV, SMF, additional weekly seasonal service to leisure destinations such as JAC (depending on the success of EGE, BZN and TVC), and perhaps PDX becoming year-round.
Any new international service from AA likely wouldn't start until 2021, but MXP, HEL and a return to BRU seem plausible new year-round destinations. I echo others that LYS, NCE, VIE, WAW/KRK, AGP are candidates for seasonal service.
I'd love to see another international carrier at PHL and fingers crossed that JAL announces nonstop service to PHL but we shall see. A dark horse foreign carrier I could see entering PHL is Volaris to MEX or GDL, as they codeshare with F9. Volaris serves CLT (and was able to withstand AA launching the route seasonally, which has since been dropped), and Mexico seems like an underserved market from PHL. I know AA launched and then dropped MEX service after just a few months, but I think the success of that route was partly hampered by inconvenient flight times as the arrival time in MEX was around midnight.
I am looking forward to the launch of AA to CMN this summer even if it is just seasonally and 3x weekly on a 757. With RAM joining OW this year my hope is that CMN eventually becomes year-round daily and perhaps AA follows by launching seasonal service to RAK at some point.
PHLspecial wrote:Bigant0408 wrote:TheFlyGuy wrote:
I totally forgot that AA has a codeshare with Interjet. In that case I would prefer Interjet come to PHL as they tend to offer more daily service whereas Volaris operates many markets less than daily. Interjet actually codeshares with several OW members, so they seem like the most likely Mexican airline to launch service to PHL. Additionally, it looks like they’ve placed a large order of A320neo’s, so perhaps PHL could be the beneficiary of this expansion (I’m assuming PHL-MEX is within range of the A320neo but someone correct me if this is false). Any speculation about new routes from PHL is just that until flights are actually announced and bookable, but it gives me hope that we might see some/one of these come to fruition in 2020.
Also, correction to my previous post where I incorrectly stated that AA launched seasonal CLT-GDL nonstop service after Volaris and has since dropped it...I just did a dummy booking and it looks as though both AA and Volaris continue to operate the route 2x weekly and both appear to be year-round. My mistake.
I’m positive the 320neo can reach that far especially since AA had used their 319 for the MEX route. Yea Interjet would probably be a better fit IMO as well
The 320CEO flies MEXJFK.
Though I thought MEX is slot constrain.
Nicknuzzii wrote:AA starts 787 service in just 2 days! Does anyone know the plan for the future of the 787 at PHL? Will PHL become dominated by the 787, similar to ORD or will we maintain our A330s? I would love to see some 789s in the future, LHR, MAD, BCN, and CDG would all be ideal routes.
PHLspecial wrote:Nicknuzzii wrote:AA starts 787 service in just 2 days! Does anyone know the plan for the future of the 787 at PHL? Will PHL become dominated by the 787, similar to ORD or will we maintain our A330s? I would love to see some 789s in the future, LHR, MAD, BCN, and CDG would all be ideal routes.
The A332 will be around for a long time to come. The A333 is suppose to replaced by the B789 in 2023. So the future would be A332, B788, B789 for widebodies
Nicknuzzii wrote:PHLspecial wrote:Nicknuzzii wrote:AA starts 787 service in just 2 days! Does anyone know the plan for the future of the 787 at PHL? Will PHL become dominated by the 787, similar to ORD or will we maintain our A330s? I would love to see some 789s in the future, LHR, MAD, BCN, and CDG would all be ideal routes.
The A332 will be around for a long time to come. The A333 is suppose to replaced by the B789 in 2023. So the future would be A332, B788, B789 for widebodies
Yes that was my understanding too, but to me it makes more sense to consolidate the 330s back to CLT then... Or maybe it’s just that I want a better business class. Lol.
PHLspecial wrote:Nicknuzzii wrote:PHLspecial wrote:The A332 will be around for a long time to come. The A333 is suppose to replaced by the B789 in 2023. So the future would be A332, B788, B789 for widebodies
Yes that was my understanding too, but to me it makes more sense to consolidate the 330s back to CLT then... Or maybe it’s just that I want a better business class. Lol.
It would be nice if AA would refresh the A332 really. Same with the A333.
WesYan wrote:First AA b787 enroute to PHL now from Dallas. AA1328
Bigant0408 wrote:https://thepointsguy.com/news/philadelphia-airport-american-airlines-hub-budget-carriers/
PHL is poised to reach a new passenger total for 2019.
PHLspecial wrote:Nicknuzzii wrote:AA starts 787 service in just 2 days! Does anyone know the plan for the future of the 787 at PHL? Will PHL become dominated by the 787, similar to ORD or will we maintain our A330s? I would love to see some 789s in the future, LHR, MAD, BCN, and CDG would all be ideal routes.
The A332 will be around for a long time to come. The A333 is suppose to replaced by the B789 in 2023. So the future would be A332, B788, B789 for widebodies
Bigant0408 wrote:https://thepointsguy.com/news/philadelphia-airport-american-airlines-hub-budget-carriers/
PHL is poised to reach a new passenger total for 2019.
PHLspecial wrote:Bigant0408 wrote:https://thepointsguy.com/news/philadelphia-airport-american-airlines-hub-budget-carriers/
PHL is poised to reach a new passenger total for 2019.
That would be exciting if PHL hit 33mil for 2019 thanks to growth from AA and Frontier and Spirit. I'm guessing terminal E has to be getting close to maxed out soon.
Shame that PHL is just not the same or better than EWR.
aerace wrote:Bigant0408 wrote:https://thepointsguy.com/news/philadelphia-airport-american-airlines-hub-budget-carriers/
PHL is poised to reach a new passenger total for 2019.
I think it's pretty impressive that the Points Guy had a dedicated story on this. All things considered, with the "drawdown and consolidation of PHL", most did not expect that we would experience the pax growth AND land direct flights to some of the destinations we had. And this goes beyond AA. Frontier 2x to San Juan and Spirit to Cancun, in what were heavily dominated markets by AA, is a good sign that others can play too. Hopefully this is an upward trajectory.
Bigant0408 wrote:PHLspecial wrote:Bigant0408 wrote:https://thepointsguy.com/news/philadelphia-airport-american-airlines-hub-budget-carriers/
PHL is poised to reach a new passenger total for 2019.
That would be exciting if PHL hit 33mil for 2019 thanks to growth from AA and Frontier and Spirit. I'm guessing terminal E has to be getting close to maxed out soon.
Shame that PHL is just not the same or better than EWR.
Yea I really hope they reach that figure to. I don’t think terminal E will max out yet at least for Frontier since they cut some routes for the upcoming spring summer season like Omaha and Kansas City just you name a few. Yea I don’t think we’ll ever reach EWR status but there’s pros and cons with Newark too as I see F9 and NK aren’t happy with the slots they were provided as I know F9 flights are all during off-peaks hours.
PHLspecial wrote:Bigant0408 wrote:PHLspecial wrote:
That would be exciting if PHL hit 33mil for 2019 thanks to growth from AA and Frontier and Spirit. I'm guessing terminal E has to be getting close to maxed out soon.
Shame that PHL is just not the same or better than EWR.
Yea I really hope they reach that figure to. I don’t think terminal E will max out yet at least for Frontier since they cut some routes for the upcoming spring summer season like Omaha and Kansas City just you name a few. Yea I don’t think we’ll ever reach EWR status but there’s pros and cons with Newark too as I see F9 and NK aren’t happy with the slots they were provided as I know F9 flights are all during off-peaks hours.
Didn't know they were day time slots for them. Wonder there can be more times during the day for them. PHL would need to become a 24 hour airport to match EWR.
I guess we will see F9 dart board routes this year. NK will shall see one or two more routes. Shame that WN can't grow more as well. I think they are second behind American?
Might as well add B6 to SJU and MCO for the wish list
Nicknuzzii wrote:Just looking at AA flights for next year, are we going to be getting a few 737s based in PHL? They are showing up on regular flights to TPA/MCO/SJU/DFW/MIA etc.
Bigant0408 wrote:I shouldn’t have use the term slots since EWR doesn’t do slots anymore but I should have said availability. But still I know F9 pretty much has to fly mostly off-peak hours. I remember B6 mentions few years ago after starting Boston route that San Juan was on there radar but that was back in 2012 so not sure if that’s on there radar now. But still would be awesome for even more competition.
gjrip wrote:Great to see a new thread. Happy New Year everyone! Saw some of the AA 788s the other day. Beautiful. Looking forward to a great year.