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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:41 am

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
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Not surprising MCO is the top domestic destination, which is why I ask B6 is not taking a risk for some market share. I see why PHL will become a NorthSouth hub. Wonder if anyone else is going to enter the PHL-LAX market.

Questioning why DOH is not on the top ten in International travel also FRA as well.

For I
Thanks for posting!


For that link I think there basing it off origination in PHL vs overall butts in seats on an aircraft from PHL. I bet not as many ppl originating flying to DOH from PHL as more so ppl connecting in Philly to go to Doha. My assumption but I could be total wrong.


Now I'm really curious how LH is surviving PHL? I'm guessing AA is selling tickets to connect with LH then


They connect people between Philadelphia and all of Europe, huge swaths of Africa, and the middle East. They have a strong hub in FRA and PHL does have a large O&D base to support it.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:01 pm

As i'm sure most of you all heard Alaska Airlines is joining OW so PHL will be even more OW dominate with AA, BA and AS
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:27 pm

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As i'm sure most of you all heard Alaska Airlines is joining OW so PHL will be even more OW dominate with AA, BA and AS


How many flights does Alaska have at PHL? One?
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:31 pm

jbpdx wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
As i'm sure most of you all heard Alaska Airlines is joining OW so PHL will be even more OW dominate with AA, BA and AS


How many flights does Alaska have at PHL? One?


2 during winter and 3 during the summer.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:45 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
As i'm sure most of you all heard Alaska Airlines is joining OW so PHL will be even more OW dominate with AA, BA and AS


How many flights does Alaska have at PHL? One?


2 during winter and 3 during the summer.

Down from 5 in S19. And I believe it is only 1 from Jan - March or April this year.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:50 pm

AS withdrawing from LAX makes sense now. Sort of? I would have still prefer AS over AA because of their service
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:45 pm

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AS withdrawing from LAX makes sense now. Sort of? I would have still prefer AS over AA because of their service

Eh, I would have liked to see them stay. But NK swooped in and PHL-LAX is back at 9 flights a day which I think is pretty good. But I would have rather seen UA or AS as a middle ground between AA and the ULCC's.

PHL-SFO is one I cannot figure out. AA drops down to 3-4x in the winter but places an extra widebody at times for 2 daily widebodies. UA drops down to ~10x weely during certain times of the year. But, today - 2/13, there are 48 paxs on the upgrade waitlist for the Thursday evening UA PHL-SFO flight with F already sold out and no upgrades given. Yes, Thursday is a big business travel day, but it just seems like the market would be there for a bit more service.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:30 pm

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AS withdrawing from LAX makes sense now. Sort of? I would have still prefer AS over AA because of their service

Eh, I would have liked to see them stay. But NK swooped in and PHL-LAX is back at 9 flights a day which I think is pretty good. But I would have rather seen UA or AS as a middle ground between AA and the ULCC's.

PHL-SFO is one I cannot figure out. AA drops down to 3-4x in the winter but places an extra widebody at times for 2 daily widebodies. UA drops down to ~10x weely during certain times of the year. But, today - 2/13, there are 48 paxs on the upgrade waitlist for the Thursday evening UA PHL-SFO flight with F already sold out and no upgrades given. Yes, Thursday is a big business travel day, but it just seems like the market would be there for a bit more service.


Wow that market makes no sense at all. I'm guess the Oneworld and Star Alliance is straight down the middle with the edge going to Oneworld.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:39 pm

I messsged AS asking whether we were going to see more service to PHL and was responded to with a smirk so the possibility is still there is seems.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:59 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
I messsged AS asking whether we were going to see more service to PHL and was responded to with a smirk so the possibility is still there is seems.

Unless you messaged an executive, the front line CSRs have no more insight into route planning than we do.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:09 pm

lowfareair wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
I messsged AS asking whether we were going to see more service to PHL and was responded to with a smirk so the possibility is still there is seems.

Unless you messaged an executive, the front line CSRs have no more insight into route planning than we do.


So I suppose you think JON NYC is just a lucky guesser?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:31 pm

Well knowing other employees would help with the inside leaks. Besides this is currently developing for AS. We can take fun guess. Although my belief is that AS will stop serving the PHLSFO route because could make money else where.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:02 am

I actually think the opposite will happen and AS will keep the one flight to SEA and AA will add maybe an additional flight or two. Best case is AA flies to PDX year round now.

One TPAC flight out of SEA isn't going to stimulate that much additional demand on PHL-SEA
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:51 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
lowfareair wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
I messsged AS asking whether we were going to see more service to PHL and was responded to with a smirk so the possibility is still there is seems.

Unless you messaged an executive, the front line CSRs have no more insight into route planning than we do.


So I suppose you think JON NYC is just a lucky guesser?


JonNYC has cultivated relationships with many employees and managers at AA Corporate over many years. He does not just contact the AA Twitter account or call their reservations line and ask CSRs questions about potential announcements; he gets it from the people in Corporate who would actually know these things.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:55 pm

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I actually think the opposite will happen and AS will keep the one flight to SEA and AA will add maybe an additional flight or two. Best case is AA flies to PDX year round now.

One TPAC flight out of SEA isn't going to stimulate that much additional demand on PHL-SEA


It's a couple thousand extra miles PHL-SEA-BLR compared to PHL-FRA/LHR-BLR, so that won't be stimulating flying. What will though is AK's extensive PNW route network that is accessible through SEA now compared to previous AA connections. GEG, YVR, YYJ, ANC, FAI, etc.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:17 pm

Thanks to VS4ever I can share with you PHL’s intl. LF for August. Some were good and others were a bit disappointing. Here you go,

AMS- 84.6% (Okay)
ATH- 86.4% (Pretty good since it’s an A333)
AUA- 94.8% (Very good)
BCN- 90.4% (Very good)
BDA- 86.4%
BLQ- 71.2% (Would have thought worse)
BUD- 87.3% (Okay)
CDG- 86.5%
CUN- 93.8%
DBV- 83.8% (Should grow next year)
DOH- 86.0% (Bot too bad, had a better July)
DUB- 88.5%
EDI- 90.6%
FCO- 88.7% (Pretty good since it’s an A333)
FRA- 84.4%
GCM- 96.0%
KEF- 81.7%
LHR- 88.2%
LIS- 89.7% (I see why they are extending it)
MAD- 81.3%
MAN- 81.5%
MBJ- 91.0% (Lots of Capacity too)
NAS- 94.2%
PLS- 90.7%
PRG- 71.7% (Ouch)
PUJ- 66.1%
SDQ- 84.1%
SNN- 83.8%
SXM- 73.7%
TXL- 86.2%
VCE- 77.2% (Not great)
ZRH- 90.6% (Pretty good)

Please note that I excluded Canada flights but they were all between 90-94%
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:20 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Thanks to VS4ever I can share with you PHL’s intl. LF for August. Some were good and others were a bit disappointing. Here you go,

AMS- 84.6% (Okay)
ATH- 86.4% (Pretty good since it’s an A333)
AUA- 94.8% (Very good)
BCN- 90.4% (Very good)
BDA- 86.4%
BLQ- 71.2% (Would have thought worse)
BUD- 87.3% (Okay)
CDG- 86.5%
CUN- 93.8%
DBV- 83.8% (Should grow next year)
DOH- 86.0% (Bot too bad, had a better July)
DUB- 88.5%
EDI- 90.6%
FCO- 88.7% (Pretty good since it’s an A333)
FRA- 84.4%
GCM- 96.0%
KEF- 81.7%
LHR- 88.2%
LIS- 89.7% (I see why they are extending it)
MAD- 81.3%
MAN- 81.5%
MBJ- 91.0% (Lots of Capacity too)
NAS- 94.2%
PLS- 90.7%
PRG- 71.7% (Ouch)
PUJ- 66.1%
SDQ- 84.1%
SNN- 83.8%
SXM- 73.7%
TXL- 86.2%
VCE- 77.2% (Not great)
ZRH- 90.6% (Pretty good)

Please note that I excluded Canada flights but they were all between 90-94%


Interesting PHL-PRG got extended...
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:27 pm

So I guess Alaska will dehub LAX from what I'm reading on here, or will they just shrink their presence there somewhat? How many airlines besides AA serve LAX-PHL? I know it doesn't concern PHL at all, but it would be nice to see someone besides a ULCC on LAX-PIT. AA and UA can't seem to make it work...
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:43 pm

steeler83 wrote:
So I guess Alaska will dehub LAX from what I'm reading on here, or will they just shrink their presence there somewhat? How many airlines besides AA serve LAX-PHL? I know it doesn't concern PHL at all, but it would be nice to see someone besides a ULCC on LAX-PIT. AA and UA can't seem to make it work...


NK serves LAX-PHL with one flight a day and F9 will start service this spring on a seasonal basis at 1 flight a day.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:49 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Thanks to VS4ever I can share with you PHL’s intl. LF for August. Some were good and others were a bit disappointing. Here you go,

AMS- 84.6% (Okay)
ATH- 86.4% (Pretty good since it’s an A333)
AUA- 94.8% (Very good)
BCN- 90.4% (Very good)
BDA- 86.4%
BLQ- 71.2% (Would have thought worse)
BUD- 87.3% (Okay)
CDG- 86.5%
CUN- 93.8%
DBV- 83.8% (Should grow next year)
DOH- 86.0% (Bot too bad, had a better July)
DUB- 88.5%
EDI- 90.6%
FCO- 88.7% (Pretty good since it’s an A333)
FRA- 84.4%
GCM- 96.0%
KEF- 81.7%
LHR- 88.2%
LIS- 89.7% (I see why they are extending it)
MAD- 81.3%
MAN- 81.5%
MBJ- 91.0% (Lots of Capacity too)
NAS- 94.2%
PLS- 90.7%
PRG- 71.7% (Ouch)
PUJ- 66.1%
SDQ- 84.1%
SNN- 83.8%
SXM- 73.7%
TXL- 86.2%
VCE- 77.2% (Not great)
ZRH- 90.6% (Pretty good)

Please note that I excluded Canada flights but they were all between 90-94%


Thanks for sharing this post. I'm truly surprised yet happy to see LH holding its on with 84.4% LF
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:04 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
steeler83 wrote:
So I guess Alaska will dehub LAX from what I'm reading on here, or will they just shrink their presence there somewhat? How many airlines besides AA serve LAX-PHL? I know it doesn't concern PHL at all, but it would be nice to see someone besides a ULCC on LAX-PIT. AA and UA can't seem to make it work...


NK serves LAX-PHL with one flight a day and F9 will start service this spring on a seasonal basis at 1 flight a day.


Up until yesterday the eastbound NK flight was daylight, one of the few transcons that aren't red-eyes in their system.

usairways85 wrote:
UA drops down to ~10x weely during certain times of the year. But, today - 2/13, there are 48 paxs on the upgrade waitlist for the Thursday evening UA PHL-SFO flight with F already sold out and no upgrades given. Yes, Thursday is a big business travel day, but it just seems like the market would be there for a bit more service.


I always said that the evening PHL-SFO (and evening PHL-LAX before it was axes) could handle the original PS 3-class configuration. Even now, it needs to be a 900, and I would bet that when they arrive, they'll put a MAX 10 on it. I do hope they or DL consider restarting PHL-LAX, and not with a red-eye Easybound. UA is still airplane constrained and gate constrained on the LA end.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:18 pm

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Best case is AA flies to PDX year round now.


They haven’t done it yet. Alaska just dropped their 11-week summer run. I don’t see American changing their tepid attitude toward PDX.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:54 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Thanks to VS4ever I can share with you PHL’s intl. LF for August. Some were good and others were a bit disappointing. Here you go,

AMS- 84.6% (Okay)
ATH- 86.4% (Pretty good since it’s an A333)
AUA- 94.8% (Very good)
BCN- 90.4% (Very good)
BDA- 86.4%
BLQ- 71.2% (Would have thought worse)
BUD- 87.3% (Okay)
CDG- 86.5%
CUN- 93.8%
DBV- 83.8% (Should grow next year)
DOH- 86.0% (Bot too bad, had a better July)
DUB- 88.5%
EDI- 90.6%
FCO- 88.7% (Pretty good since it’s an A333)
FRA- 84.4%
GCM- 96.0%
KEF- 81.7%
LHR- 88.2%
LIS- 89.7% (I see why they are extending it)
MAD- 81.3%
MAN- 81.5%
MBJ- 91.0% (Lots of Capacity too)
NAS- 94.2%
PLS- 90.7%
PRG- 71.7% (Ouch)
PUJ- 66.1%
SDQ- 84.1%
SNN- 83.8%
SXM- 73.7%
TXL- 86.2%
VCE- 77.2% (Not great)
ZRH- 90.6% (Pretty good)

Please note that I excluded Canada flights but they were all between 90-94%

Thanks for posting

Good to see FRA and KEF holding up. Wonder how would AMS do with DL/KL entered or Swiss Air for ZRH. Also nice that Air Canada Express is here to stay with those numbers.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:56 pm

I have July numbers too, would you guys like me to post?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:19 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
I have July numbers too, would you guys like me to post?


Post away. I appreciate your efforts with this. Love knowing international LF
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:07 pm

Here is A-D. More will follow shortly!
Thanks to VS4ever I can share with you PHL’s intl. LF for July. Some were good and others were a bit disappointing. Here you go,

AMS- 83.5%

This route does okay from PHL but should do better considering the time of year. Overall not bad at all.

ATH- 93.2%

ATH and AA really seem to work. Even with an A333 this route had the highest European LF from all of PHL. Once the 789s start making their way to PHL I can definitely see this route taking on one.

AUA- 96.0%

Another successful route from PHL. Surprised this route hasn’t seen additional frequencies or gauge because it certainly looks like it can support it.

BCN- 84.5%

Not terrible considering we definitely lose a lot of pax to both EWR and IAD. Hope to see this number climb within the next year.

BDA- 87.5%

Not much to say here. Could be better but could be worse.

BLQ- 67.1%

So I’m still trying to understand why AA was so quick to cut this route. While it was certainly an interesting add from the beginning it didn’t perform as bad as everyone anticipated. I think if they allowed to route to mature they would find success.

BUD- 84.6%

Another avg. flight from PHL. Should be interesting to see how the loads look once this route transitions to a 788 S21.

CDG- 81.4%

CDG has never been a stronghold for AA but it doesn’t look like they do terrible on this route.

CUN- 96.0%

Woah., with NK joining the market the loads may take a little hit but I’m not anticipating much. The demand is there and they are filling the planes. Now a Mexican carrier joining in on this route would be interesting.

DBV- 83.8%

For as much as this route has been hyped up I’m a little disappointed. This route should certainly grow with the daily frequency this year but loads will be interesting.

DOH- 88.6%

QR does well from PHL considering this was on a 77W. Does anyone know what aircraft they will use for this summer?

DUB- 91.3%

I can definitely see this route going to an A333 once EI officially joins the JV. This route certainly does well for AA.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:14 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Here is A-D. More will follow shortly!
Thanks to VS4ever I can share with you PHL’s intl. LF for July. Some were good and others were a bit disappointing. Here you go,

BLQ- 67.1%

So I’m still trying to understand why AA was so quick to cut this route. While it was certainly an interesting add from the beginning it didn’t perform as bad as everyone anticipated. I think if they allowed to route to mature they would find success.



Were any incentives placed on the route? If there were incentives for only one season, I could see why they cut it.

Also, apparently business class wasn't selling well at all.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:24 pm

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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:40 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Here is A-D. More will follow shortly!
Thanks to VS4ever I can share with you PHL’s intl. LF for July. Some were good and others were a bit disappointing. Here you go,

AMS- 83.5%

This route does okay from PHL but should do better considering the time of year. Overall not bad at all.

ATH- 93.2%

ATH and AA really seem to work. Even with an A333 this route had the highest European LF from all of PHL. Once the 789s start making their way to PHL I can definitely see this route taking on one.

AUA- 96.0%

Another successful route from PHL. Surprised this route hasn’t seen additional frequencies or gauge because it certainly looks like it can support it.

BCN- 84.5%

Not terrible considering we definitely lose a lot of pax to both EWR and IAD. Hope to see this number climb within the next year.

BDA- 87.5%

Not much to say here. Could be better but could be worse.

BLQ- 67.1%

So I’m still trying to understand why AA was so quick to cut this route. While it was certainly an interesting add from the beginning it didn’t perform as bad as everyone anticipated. I think if they allowed to route to mature they would find success.

BUD- 84.6%

Another avg. flight from PHL. Should be interesting to see how the loads look once this route transitions to a 788 S21.

CDG- 81.4%

CDG has never been a stronghold for AA but it doesn’t look like they do terrible on this route.

CUN- 96.0%

Woah., with NK joining the market the loads may take a little hit but I’m not anticipating much. The demand is there and they are filling the planes. Now a Mexican carrier joining in on this route would be interesting.

DBV- 83.8%

For as much as this route has been hyped up I’m a little disappointed. This route should certainly grow with the daily frequency this year but loads will be interesting.

DOH- 88.6%

QR does well from PHL considering this was on a 77W. Does anyone know what aircraft they will use for this summer?

DUB- 91.3%

I can definitely see this route going to an A333 once EI officially joins the JV. This route certainly does well for AA.


Thanks for sharing. Overall decent loads for majority of the routes. As for DOH they’ll be using 777-300 with Qsuites this summer.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:13 am

How did SNN and the return of EDI do this past summer?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:22 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Here is A-D. More will follow shortly!
Thanks to VS4ever I can share with you PHL’s intl. LF for July. Some were good and others were a bit disappointing. Here you go,

AMS- 83.5%

This route does okay from PHL but should do better considering the time of year. Overall not bad at all.

ATH- 93.2%

ATH and AA really seem to work. Even with an A333 this route had the highest European LF from all of PHL. Once the 789s start making their way to PHL I can definitely see this route taking on one.

AUA- 96.0%

Another successful route from PHL. Surprised this route hasn’t seen additional frequencies or gauge because it certainly looks like it can support it.

BCN- 84.5%

Not terrible considering we definitely lose a lot of pax to both EWR and IAD. Hope to see this number climb within the next year.

BDA- 87.5%

Not much to say here. Could be better but could be worse.

BLQ- 67.1%

So I’m still trying to understand why AA was so quick to cut this route. While it was certainly an interesting add from the beginning it didn’t perform as bad as everyone anticipated. I think if they allowed to route to mature they would find success.

BUD- 84.6%

Another avg. flight from PHL. Should be interesting to see how the loads look once this route transitions to a 788 S21.

CDG- 81.4%

CDG has never been a stronghold for AA but it doesn’t look like they do terrible on this route.

CUN- 96.0%

Woah., with NK joining the market the loads may take a little hit but I’m not anticipating much. The demand is there and they are filling the planes. Now a Mexican carrier joining in on this route would be interesting.

DBV- 83.8%

For as much as this route has been hyped up I’m a little disappointed. This route should certainly grow with the daily frequency this year but loads will be interesting.

DOH- 88.6%

QR does well from PHL considering this was on a 77W. Does anyone know what aircraft they will use for this summer?

DUB- 91.3%

I can definitely see this route going to an A333 once EI officially joins the JV. This route certainly does well for AA.


CDG is AA’s second largest European station.

Load factor are not exactly an indication on how a route performs. There is a multitude of reasons why BLQ may been axed.


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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:03 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Here is A-D. More will follow shortly!
Thanks to VS4ever I can share with you PHL’s intl. LF for July. Some were good and others were a bit disappointing. Here you go,

AMS- 83.5%

This route does okay from PHL but should do better considering the time of year. Overall not bad at all.

ATH- 93.2%

ATH and AA really seem to work. Even with an A333 this route had the highest European LF from all of PHL. Once the 789s start making their way to PHL I can definitely see this route taking on one.

AUA- 96.0%

Another successful route from PHL. Surprised this route hasn’t seen additional frequencies or gauge because it certainly looks like it can support it.

BCN- 84.5%

Not terrible considering we definitely lose a lot of pax to both EWR and IAD. Hope to see this number climb within the next year.

BDA- 87.5%

Not much to say here. Could be better but could be worse.

BLQ- 67.1%

So I’m still trying to understand why AA was so quick to cut this route. While it was certainly an interesting add from the beginning it didn’t perform as bad as everyone anticipated. I think if they allowed to route to mature they would find success.

BUD- 84.6%

Another avg. flight from PHL. Should be interesting to see how the loads look once this route transitions to a 788 S21.

CDG- 81.4%

CDG has never been a stronghold for AA but it doesn’t look like they do terrible on this route.

CUN- 96.0%

Woah., with NK joining the market the loads may take a little hit but I’m not anticipating much. The demand is there and they are filling the planes. Now a Mexican carrier joining in on this route would be interesting.

DBV- 83.8%

For as much as this route has been hyped up I’m a little disappointed. This route should certainly grow with the daily frequency this year but loads will be interesting.

DOH- 88.6%

QR does well from PHL considering this was on a 77W. Does anyone know what aircraft they will use for this summer?

DUB- 91.3%

I can definitely see this route going to an A333 once EI officially joins the JV. This route certainly does well for AA.


A couple of these airports could benefit from the XLR like BCN, BUD, CDG, DBV, PRG. Possibly AMS or ZRH

Thanks for posting.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:59 am

PHLspecial wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Here is A-D. More will follow shortly!
Thanks to VS4ever I can share with you PHL’s intl. LF for July. Some were good and others were a bit disappointing. Here you go,

AMS- 83.5%

This route does okay from PHL but should do better considering the time of year. Overall not bad at all.

ATH- 93.2%

ATH and AA really seem to work. Even with an A333 this route had the highest European LF from all of PHL. Once the 789s start making their way to PHL I can definitely see this route taking on one.

AUA- 96.0%

Another successful route from PHL. Surprised this route hasn’t seen additional frequencies or gauge because it certainly looks like it can support it.

BCN- 84.5%

Not terrible considering we definitely lose a lot of pax to both EWR and IAD. Hope to see this number climb within the next year.

BDA- 87.5%

Not much to say here. Could be better but could be worse.

BLQ- 67.1%

So I’m still trying to understand why AA was so quick to cut this route. While it was certainly an interesting add from the beginning it didn’t perform as bad as everyone anticipated. I think if they allowed to route to mature they would find success.

BUD- 84.6%

Another avg. flight from PHL. Should be interesting to see how the loads look once this route transitions to a 788 S21.

CDG- 81.4%

CDG has never been a stronghold for AA but it doesn’t look like they do terrible on this route.

CUN- 96.0%

Woah., with NK joining the market the loads may take a little hit but I’m not anticipating much. The demand is there and they are filling the planes. Now a Mexican carrier joining in on this route would be interesting.

DBV- 83.8%

For as much as this route has been hyped up I’m a little disappointed. This route should certainly grow with the daily frequency this year but loads will be interesting.

DOH- 88.6%

QR does well from PHL considering this was on a 77W. Does anyone know what aircraft they will use for this summer?

DUB- 91.3%

I can definitely see this route going to an A333 once EI officially joins the JV. This route certainly does well for AA.


A couple of these airports could benefit from the XLR like BCN, BUD, CDG, DBV, PRG. Possibly AMS or ZRH

Thanks for posting.


Why do you think AA would down gauge routes it can probably serve with a wide body? In my opinion I see the XLR being used more for expansion into smaller cities.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:08 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Here is A-D. More will follow shortly!
Thanks to VS4ever I can share with you PHL’s intl. LF for July. Some were good and others were a bit disappointing. Here you go,

AMS- 83.5%

This route does okay from PHL but should do better considering the time of year. Overall not bad at all.

ATH- 93.2%

ATH and AA really seem to work. Even with an A333 this route had the highest European LF from all of PHL. Once the 789s start making their way to PHL I can definitely see this route taking on one.

AUA- 96.0%

Another successful route from PHL. Surprised this route hasn’t seen additional frequencies or gauge because it certainly looks like it can support it.

BCN- 84.5%

Not terrible considering we definitely lose a lot of pax to both EWR and IAD. Hope to see this number climb within the next year.

BDA- 87.5%

Not much to say here. Could be better but could be worse.

BLQ- 67.1%

So I’m still trying to understand why AA was so quick to cut this route. While it was certainly an interesting add from the beginning it didn’t perform as bad as everyone anticipated. I think if they allowed to route to mature they would find success.

BUD- 84.6%

Another avg. flight from PHL. Should be interesting to see how the loads look once this route transitions to a 788 S21.

CDG- 81.4%

CDG has never been a stronghold for AA but it doesn’t look like they do terrible on this route.

CUN- 96.0%

Woah., with NK joining the market the loads may take a little hit but I’m not anticipating much. The demand is there and they are filling the planes. Now a Mexican carrier joining in on this route would be interesting.

DBV- 83.8%

For as much as this route has been hyped up I’m a little disappointed. This route should certainly grow with the daily frequency this year but loads will be interesting.

DOH- 88.6%

QR does well from PHL considering this was on a 77W. Does anyone know what aircraft they will use for this summer?

DUB- 91.3%

I can definitely see this route going to an A333 once EI officially joins the JV. This route certainly does well for AA.


A couple of these airports could benefit from the XLR like BCN, BUD, CDG, DBV, PRG. Possibly AMS or ZRH

Thanks for posting.


Why do you think AA would down gauge routes it can probably serve with a wide body? In my opinion I see the XLR being used more for expansion into smaller cities.


It really wouldn't make sense to downgauge these routes to the XLR unless they plan on adding more frequencies.

DBV went daily and extended, PRG was extended into the winter. They're doing fine with a widebody.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:00 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Here is A-D. More will follow shortly!
Thanks to VS4ever I can share with you PHL’s intl. LF for July. Some were good and others were a bit disappointing. Here you go,

AMS- 83.5%

This route does okay from PHL but should do better considering the time of year. Overall not bad at all.

ATH- 93.2%

ATH and AA really seem to work. Even with an A333 this route had the highest European LF from all of PHL. Once the 789s start making their way to PHL I can definitely see this route taking on one.

AUA- 96.0%

Another successful route from PHL. Surprised this route hasn’t seen additional frequencies or gauge because it certainly looks like it can support it.

BCN- 84.5%

Not terrible considering we definitely lose a lot of pax to both EWR and IAD. Hope to see this number climb within the next year.

BDA- 87.5%

Not much to say here. Could be better but could be worse.

BLQ- 67.1%

So I’m still trying to understand why AA was so quick to cut this route. While it was certainly an interesting add from the beginning it didn’t perform as bad as everyone anticipated. I think if they allowed to route to mature they would find success.

BUD- 84.6%

Another avg. flight from PHL. Should be interesting to see how the loads look once this route transitions to a 788 S21.

CDG- 81.4%

CDG has never been a stronghold for AA but it doesn’t look like they do terrible on this route.

CUN- 96.0%

Woah., with NK joining the market the loads may take a little hit but I’m not anticipating much. The demand is there and they are filling the planes. Now a Mexican carrier joining in on this route would be interesting.

DBV- 83.8%

For as much as this route has been hyped up I’m a little disappointed. This route should certainly grow with the daily frequency this year but loads will be interesting.

DOH- 88.6%

QR does well from PHL considering this was on a 77W. Does anyone know what aircraft they will use for this summer?

DUB- 91.3%

I can definitely see this route going to an A333 once EI officially joins the JV. This route certainly does well for AA.


A couple of these airports could benefit from the XLR like BCN, BUD, CDG, DBV, PRG. Possibly AMS or ZRH

Thanks for posting.


Why do you think AA would down gauge routes it can probably serve with a wide body? In my opinion I see the XLR being used more for expansion into smaller cities.

My thought was a lot of the routes was seasonal and on the B767 so going to XLR wouldn't be a bad idea. Mainly for BCN, BUD, PRG. Though I guess most of this is vacation destinations.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:30 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:

A couple of these airports could benefit from the XLR like BCN, BUD, CDG, DBV, PRG. Possibly AMS or ZRH

Thanks for posting.


Why do you think AA would down gauge routes it can probably serve with a wide body? In my opinion I see the XLR being used more for expansion into smaller cities.

My thought was a lot of the routes was seasonal and on the B767 so going to XLR wouldn't be a bad idea. Mainly for BCN, BUD, PRG. Though I guess most of this is vacation destinations.


That's a fair point. I wonder if AA would consider extending some of their smaller summer seasonals to year-round, but using a widebody in summer and an XLR in winter. Is there a world in which that makes sense?
 
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Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:47 pm

dfw88 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

Why do you think AA would down gauge routes it can probably serve with a wide body? In my opinion I see the XLR being used more for expansion into smaller cities.

My thought was a lot of the routes was seasonal and on the B767 so going to XLR wouldn't be a bad idea. Mainly for BCN, BUD, PRG. Though I guess most of this is vacation destinations.


That's a fair point. I wonder if AA would consider extending some of their smaller summer seasonals to year-round, but using a widebody in summer and an XLR in winter. Is there a world in which that makes sense?


I could see that happening with both BCN and LIS. LIS will almost be year round this upcoming season. With the flexibility of the XLR they may be able to operate those routes into the winter.


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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:02 pm

EDI- 89.4%

Pretty impressive for a new route. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if this route makes its way to a 788 soon or an extended season.

FCO- 87.6%

For an A330-300 this route does pretty well.

FRA- 83.5%

This route was on a 744 so it definitely performed very well. I’m not so sure of the gauge for this summer but if it’s on an A330/340.

GCM- 95.2%

A Caribbean route that performs quite well, no extra capacity this year?

KEF- 71.2%
LHR- 83.4%

Lots of capacity on this route but I do think this route would benefit from additional frequencies instead of additional gauge. Maybe once the XLR’s come online we see 2x A330 and 1x XLR or vs versa.

LIS- 87.0%

I think we all can see why this route will be seeing extra capacity this summer and winter. I’m really surprised where all the demand for this route comes from? Is this AA’s only link to LIS?

MAD- 78.6%

Really underwhelmed considering the connections on both ends. I understand that it is a good sign of how high the fares on this route are on this route though.

MAN- 78.0%

Another niche route that AA does well on for PHL. I wonder how the loads look on this year round!

MBJ- 90.4%

There is really a lot of capacity here but the market is able to sustain it. PHL is a price sensitive market and MBJ sort of fits the mold better than other destinations.

NAS- 89.9%

How can AA not do better on this route? Their is demand but I feel pax will tend to chose EWR over even IAD.

PLS- 91.6%

Weekend only is really the best they can do on this route? I think if we see a Wednesday or Friday flight added to this route loads would actually increase.

PRG- 80.3%

This is what PHL does best! In complete honestly I would have anticipated higher but 80% isn’t bad at all. The route definitely took a hit from UA.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:16 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
EDI- 89.4%

Pretty impressive for a new route. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if this route makes its way to a 788 soon or an extended season.

FCO- 87.6%

For an A330-300 this route does pretty well.

FRA- 83.5%

This route was on a 744 so it definitely performed very well. I’m not so sure of the gauge for this summer but if it’s on an A330/340.

GCM- 95.2%

A Caribbean route that performs quite well, no extra capacity this year?

KEF- 71.2%
LHR- 83.4%

Lots of capacity on this route but I do think this route would benefit from additional frequencies instead of additional gauge. Maybe once the XLR’s come online we see 2x A330 and 1x XLR or vs versa.

LIS- 87.0%

I think we all can see why this route will be seeing extra capacity this summer and winter. I’m really surprised where all the demand for this route comes from? Is this AA’s only link to LIS?

MAD- 78.6%

Really underwhelmed considering the connections on both ends. I understand that it is a good sign of how high the fares on this route are on this route though.

MAN- 78.0%

Another niche route that AA does well on for PHL. I wonder how the loads look on this year round!

MBJ- 90.4%

There is really a lot of capacity here but the market is able to sustain it. PHL is a price sensitive market and MBJ sort of fits the mold better than other destinations.

NAS- 89.9%

How can AA not do better on this route? Their is demand but I feel pax will tend to chose EWR over even IAD.

PLS- 91.6%

Weekend only is really the best they can do on this route? I think if we see a Wednesday or Friday flight added to this route loads would actually increase.

PRG- 80.3%

This is what PHL does best! In complete honestly I would have anticipated higher but 80% isn’t bad at all. The route definitely took a hit from UA.


Don't forget these are the basic load factors. You don't know how much of each cabin is sold out. From what I remember, Business Class seemed to be sold out for a good amount of flights over the summer.

With KEF at 71%, this really makes me wonder how AA's flight will impact FI's. I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull out of PHL due to the 737 MAX groundings as they are unable to use a lower capacity aircraft for the time being.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:00 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
EDI- 89.4%

Pretty impressive for a new route. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if this route makes its way to a 788 soon or an extended season.

FCO- 87.6%

For an A330-300 this route does pretty well.

FRA- 83.5%

This route was on a 744 so it definitely performed very well. I’m not so sure of the gauge for this summer but if it’s on an A330/340.

GCM- 95.2%

A Caribbean route that performs quite well, no extra capacity this year?

KEF- 71.2%
LHR- 83.4%

Lots of capacity on this route but I do think this route would benefit from additional frequencies instead of additional gauge. Maybe once the XLR’s come online we see 2x A330 and 1x XLR or vs versa.

LIS- 87.0%

I think we all can see why this route will be seeing extra capacity this summer and winter. I’m really surprised where all the demand for this route comes from? Is this AA’s only link to LIS?

MAD- 78.6%

Really underwhelmed considering the connections on both ends. I understand that it is a good sign of how high the fares on this route are on this route though.

MAN- 78.0%

Another niche route that AA does well on for PHL. I wonder how the loads look on this year round!

MBJ- 90.4%

There is really a lot of capacity here but the market is able to sustain it. PHL is a price sensitive market and MBJ sort of fits the mold better than other destinations.

NAS- 89.9%

How can AA not do better on this route? Their is demand but I feel pax will tend to chose EWR over even IAD.

PLS- 91.6%

Weekend only is really the best they can do on this route? I think if we see a Wednesday or Friday flight added to this route loads would actually increase.

PRG- 80.3%

This is what PHL does best! In complete honestly I would have anticipated higher but 80% isn’t bad at all. The route definitely took a hit from UA.


Don't forget these are the basic load factors. You don't know how much of each cabin is sold out. From what I remember, Business Class seemed to be sold out for a good amount of flights over the summer.

With KEF at 71%, this really makes me wonder how AA's flight will impact FI's. I wouldn't be surprised to see them pull out of PHL due to the 737 MAX groundings as they are unable to use a lower capacity aircraft for the time being.


I think FI and AA can coexist because of the type of passengers they are aiming for. AA is looking for connecting traffic to go through PHL to Iceland while FI is aiming for the most part originating passengers from PHL mostly going to Europe connecting in KEF. I do think this upcoming seasonal service will be the tell all for FI if they do well enough because of AA service and max issues combined. EWR, JKF and MSP are only USA routes with two carries flying to KEF and now PHL.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:43 am

After looking at loads and bookings for 2019 and 2020 I wouldn’t be shocked to see these adjustments for W20 and S21,

788- SNN, DBV, MAN
A330- BUD, LIS, TXL
CMN- 757 5-7 weekly
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:18 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
After looking at loads and bookings for 2019 and 2020 I wouldn’t be shocked to see these adjustments for W20 and S21,

788- SNN, DBV, MAN
A330- BUD, LIS, TXL
CMN- 757 5-7 weekly


SNN on the 788 is doubtful, and I would assume TXL would get a 788 before going to the 330.


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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:33 am

chepos wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
After looking at loads and bookings for 2019 and 2020 I wouldn’t be shocked to see these adjustments for W20 and S21,

788- SNN, DBV, MAN
A330- BUD, LIS, TXL
CMN- 757 5-7 weekly


SNN on the 788 is doubtful, and I would assume TXL would get a 788 before going to the 330.


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Listen I hear where you are coming from but if you look at some of the upcoming bookings for random summer dates you will be surprised, days where SNN is already 85% sold out and it’s only February!
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:03 pm

AA will be canceling PHL to Williamsport flights in exchange for CTL to Willamsport. I'm actually not surprised at this change.
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