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usairways85
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:32 am

I really cannot see how AA operates anything that resembles a full TA schedule in S20. We'll be lucky if there are 5 destinations back by July/August. I think S21 might look like the TA operation from several years ago. No TXL, BUD, KEF, DBV, PRG. How much do some of these 2nd/3rd tier cities rely on cruise traffic. Those Viking cruises will likely take a big hit.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:37 am

usairways85 wrote:
I really cannot see how AA operates anything that resembles a full TA schedule in S20. We'll be lucky if there are 5 destinations back by July/August. I think S21 might look like the TA operation from several years ago. No TXL, BUD, KEF, DBV, PRG. How much do some of these 2nd/3rd tier cities rely on cruise traffic. Those Viking cruises will likely take a big hit.


I feel like Prague has been well-established with the PHL-PRG route being extended into the winter and AA opening up ORD-PRG.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:39 am

usairways85 wrote:
I really cannot see how AA operates anything that resembles a full TA schedule in S20. We'll be lucky if there are 5 destinations back by July/August. I think S21 might look like the TA operation from several years ago. No TXL, BUD, KEF, DBV, PRG. How much do some of these 2nd/3rd tier cities rely on cruise traffic. Those Viking cruises will likely take a big hit.


I agree that it’s certainly going to take time to grow back but I feel like for a large part of these the damn will be there. I’m nervous for DBV, CMN, and TXL.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:37 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Spoke with some AA employees today and it seems as of now the 787s that we’re supposed to be heading to Asia this summer will sub for the 763s and the 321neo will actually fly for the 757s.


I saw on Wikipedia (obviously not the most reliable source) that the domestic 757s will retire this year be replaced by the 321neos this year and that the international 757s will retire next year and be replaced by the 321xlrs.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:02 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Spoke with some AA employees today and it seems as of now the 787s that we’re supposed to be heading to Asia this summer will sub for the 763s and the 321neo will actually fly for the 757s.


I saw on Wikipedia (obviously not the most reliable source) that the domestic 757s will retire this year be replaced by the 321neos this year and that the international 757s will retire next year and be replaced by the 321xlrs.

321xlr's do not come until 2023.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:32 pm

usairways85 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Spoke with some AA employees today and it seems as of now the 787s that we’re supposed to be heading to Asia this summer will sub for the 763s and the 321neo will actually fly for the 757s.


I saw on Wikipedia (obviously not the most reliable source) that the domestic 757s will retire this year be replaced by the 321neos this year and that the international 757s will retire next year and be replaced by the 321xlrs.

321xlr's do not come until 2023.


I'm aware about that was just stating what I had read. I am curious once the 757 internationals are retired what they will use as a supplement before the 321xlr come into play.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:22 am

Curious is there any stored planes at PHL? I'm assuming PIT and TUL main places where AA is storing planes
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:24 am

PHLspecial wrote:
Curious is there any stored planes at PHL? I'm assuming PIT and TUL main places where AA is storing planes


Few widebodies are parked on gates in our closed A West terminal. Few narrow bodies were parked remote in the deice pad.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:36 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Spoke with some AA employees today and it seems as of now the 787s that we’re supposed to be heading to Asia this summer will sub for the 763s and the 321neo will actually fly for the 757s.

Huh interesting(trying to be positive). Did AA get the A321LR mod? If so amazing. That sounds so exciting. I will hold back a little bit because we are still in crisis mode right now.
It will be interesting to see AA recovery plan for PHL


No I think it is just temporary and for the time being until the XLR’s come online. Rumor also was PHL-Europe going to recover pretty quickly but any Asia plans have been pushed way back.
Ishrion wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Huh interesting(trying to be positive). Did AA get the A321LR mod? If so amazing. That sounds so exciting. I will hold back a little bit because we are still in crisis mode right now.
It will be interesting to see AA recovery plan for PHL


That sounds awesome but will they have a lie-flat config for the A321neo? Wouldn’t a premium recliner seat go against the AA/BA/IB/AY transatlantic JV?


I’m sure do the the circumstances they would be allowed to go without lie-flat seats for a temporary time.

Also sounds like the A333s have flown their final flights.


I presume that, when Europe flying resumes at PHL, the first priority will be the resumption of widebody flying, especially LHR. LHR will have loads of capacity available, so no need to overfly it, and the widebodies will also be needed for whatever remains of the Global Air Cargo Backlog by then. I'm sticking by my prediction that TXL, PRG, and BUD are done for the year and will only return for S21. DBV will only return if the cruise industry ever recovers...

The unmodified A21N has the same still-air range as the B752, so they can slot in directly for each other, although my imperfect understanding is that the unmodified A21N has worse payload figures at the outer parts of its range. That's fine, though, because it will be at least a year for passenger numbers to recover.

As for lie-flats, the A21Ns are parked right now (no reason not to cover domestic flying with B737 NGs and A320ceos; certainly nobody flying domestically needs A321 capacity right now, and fuel is cheap), and the proverbial "two guys and a set of spanners" at either AA or Airbus could pop out enough rows of seats and put in a lie-flat J cabin during the downtime, even while practicing proper distancing from everyone other than their work partner. Even if AA can't source new seats, they can be within the terms of the JV if they just scavenge J seats out of the B763s that they just retired, although the flying public might not appreciate that so much!
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:14 pm

I can see afterwards AA installing the lie flat seats for the A21N. Seeing those B763 seats from videos, Yikes.

Also if this A21N is supposed to be doing TATL routes I really hope they consider PTVs. Though I'm getting ahead of my self. I'm not sure of these A21N have ETOPS ratings.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:52 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
I can see afterwards AA installing the lie flat seats for the A21N. Seeing those B763 seats from videos, Yikes.

Also if this A21N is supposed to be doing TATL routes I really hope they consider PTVs. Though I'm getting ahead of my self. I'm not sure of these A21N have ETOPS ratings.


Is there a different ETOPS rating for U.S. to Hawaii vs U.S. to Europe?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:10 pm

Ishrion wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
I can see afterwards AA installing the lie flat seats for the A21N. Seeing those B763 seats from videos, Yikes.

Also if this A21N is supposed to be doing TATL routes I really hope they consider PTVs. Though I'm getting ahead of my self. I'm not sure of these A21N have ETOPS ratings.


Is there a different ETOPS rating for U.S. to Hawaii vs U.S. to Europe?


I think aircraft need to be more qualified for Hawaii than Europe due to the number of places to divert.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:52 pm

Sorry if this is out of topic, but is there supposed to be a new terminal G to be built? I heard that they were going to expand PHL and construction would be complete by 2025.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:09 pm

ddaly241 wrote:
Sorry if this is out of topic, but is there supposed to be a new terminal G to be built? I heard that they were going to expand PHL and construction would be complete by 2025.


I haven't heard anything about that with all of the projects PHL have spoken about in passing. Where did you hear this from if you don't mind me asking?
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:15 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
ddaly241 wrote:
Sorry if this is out of topic, but is there supposed to be a new terminal G to be built? I heard that they were going to expand PHL and construction would be complete by 2025.


I haven't heard anything about that with all of the projects PHL have spoken about in passing. Where did you hear this from if you don't mind me asking?


https://www.forconstructionpros.com/bus ... ort-rework
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:46 pm

ddaly241 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
ddaly241 wrote:
Sorry if this is out of topic, but is there supposed to be a new terminal G to be built? I heard that they were going to expand PHL and construction would be complete by 2025.


I haven't heard anything about that with all of the projects PHL have spoken about in passing. Where did you hear this from if you don't mind me asking?


https://www.forconstructionpros.com/bus ... ort-rework

It's been put on hold indefinitely.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:30 am

ddaly241 wrote:
Sorry if this is out of topic, but is there supposed to be a new terminal G to be built? I heard that they were going to expand PHL and construction would be complete by 2025.


That article is from 2012!
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:43 am

crownvic wrote:
ddaly241 wrote:
Sorry if this is out of topic, but is there supposed to be a new terminal G to be built? I heard that they were going to expand PHL and construction would be complete by 2025.


That article is from 2012!


Everytime I heard Philadelphia is supposed to the biggest project in the U.S. it always get shot down. Like this terminal G and Philly was suppose to get the tallest building in the U.S. back in 2008
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:53 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
I really cannot see how AA operates anything that resembles a full TA schedule in S20. We'll be lucky if there are 5 destinations back by July/August. I think S21 might look like the TA operation from several years ago. No TXL, BUD, KEF, DBV, PRG. How much do some of these 2nd/3rd tier cities rely on cruise traffic. Those Viking cruises will likely take a big hit.


I agree that it’s certainly going to take time to grow back but I feel like for a large part of these the damn will be there. I’m nervous for DBV, CMN, and TXL.


Be nervous for everything that isn’t London/Paris/Madrid.

AA just pulled Philadelphia to Venice, Barcelona and Rome today. They won’t operate this summer whatsoever.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:47 am

PHLspecial wrote:
crownvic wrote:
ddaly241 wrote:
Sorry if this is out of topic, but is there supposed to be a new terminal G to be built? I heard that they were going to expand PHL and construction would be complete by 2025.


That article is from 2012!


Everytime I heard Philadelphia is supposed to the biggest project in the U.S. it always get shot down. Like this terminal G and Philly was suppose to get the tallest building in the U.S. back in 2008


There is an alternative plan that I think is in this thread that shows 4 parallel runways with midfield terminal a la Atlanta.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:15 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
I really cannot see how AA operates anything that resembles a full TA schedule in S20. We'll be lucky if there are 5 destinations back by July/August. I think S21 might look like the TA operation from several years ago. No TXL, BUD, KEF, DBV, PRG. How much do some of these 2nd/3rd tier cities rely on cruise traffic. Those Viking cruises will likely take a big hit.


I agree that it’s certainly going to take time to grow back but I feel like for a large part of these the damn will be there. I’m nervous for DBV, CMN, and TXL.


Be nervous for everything that isn’t London/Paris/Madrid.

AA just pulled Philadelphia to Venice, Barcelona and Rome today. They won’t operate this summer whatsoever.


Where did you see this?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:29 pm

Looks like AA has slashed PHL-CMN/DBV/TXL/FCO/VCE/BCN/KEF/MAN/EDI/PRG/BUD/ATH/CDG for the summer.

No longer available on aa.com

In other words, only LHR, ZRH, and MAD remain. For now.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:44 pm

FWIW
PHL-FCO, CDG, DUB, AMS, MAN all come back in October. AA just shifted these further out. It is not surprising given that we still have not hit the downside of this and PHL's inability to accept EU/UK paxs
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:44 pm

According to a quick check on Google Flights, PHL has the following EU nonstops going the next several months.

from 7/1 - LHR, MAD, ZRH
from 9/1 - DUB, AMS
from 10/1 - CDG, FCO, BCN, MAN (BCN goes away end of month)
from 11/1 - LIS, PRG

It appears that seasonals are currently scrapped with a general resumption of year round destinations. FWIW, all hubs are pared down to basic OW destinations so this is happening across the board although ORD is still showing ATH and BCN running from July. At this point, I take whatever I see with a grain of salt.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:12 pm

usairways85 wrote:
FWIW
PHL-FCO, CDG, DUB, AMS, MAN all come back in October. AA just shifted these further out. It is not surprising given that we still have not hit the downside of this and PHL's inability to accept EU/UK paxs


I thought the FAA and CDC didn't award PHL the approval because it was not big enough. From what I remember they have a big enough international hall to do testing then do customs next
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:26 pm

So will all of the previous routes come back next year or no?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:39 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
So will all of the previous routes come back next year or no?


Currently no one knows. The bookings don't go into summer 2021 yet and we don't know how long this crisis will last.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:58 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
So will all of the previous routes come back next year or no?

Your guess is good as ours. I hope it does too. Honestly I hope PHL grows into a OW hub and not just a AA hub
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:17 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Looks like AA has slashed PHL-CMN/DBV/TXL/FCO/VCE/BCN/KEF/MAN/EDI/PRG/BUD/ATH/CDG for the summer.

No longer available on aa.com

In other words, only LHR, ZRH, and MAD remain. For now.


All I can say is Wow. Yet I'm not surprised. Sucks to see so many cuts but with so many aircraft being retired now it makes sense. Plus obviously with lack of demand as well. I was truly excited for the CMN route personally. I'm sure the remaining routes we will change at some point.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:28 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
So will all of the previous routes come back next year or no?

Your guess is good as ours. I hope it does too. Honestly I hope PHL grows into a OW hub and not just a AA hub


Well with RAM officially in OW now, maybe CMN will happen on their medal?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:35 pm

aerace wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
So will all of the previous routes come back next year or no?

Your guess is good as ours. I hope it does too. Honestly I hope PHL grows into a OW hub and not just a AA hub


Well with RAM officially in OW now, maybe CMN will happen on their medal?


176 seat AA 757-200 VS 274 seat RAM 788

Too much capacity? Probably, especially during these times.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:50 pm

Ishrion wrote:
aerace wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Your guess is good as ours. I hope it does too. Honestly I hope PHL grows into a OW hub and not just a AA hub


Well with RAM officially in OW now, maybe CMN will happen on their medal?


176 seat AA 757-200 VS 274 seat RAM 788

Too much capacity? Probably, especially during these times.


I never thought we would see QR beef up to what it has here. Maybe it's got the potential? Shift BOS down to PHL for connections? To be seen but I hope AA will get CMN back in the spring...
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:14 pm

aerace wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
aerace wrote:

Well with RAM officially in OW now, maybe CMN will happen on their medal?


176 seat AA 757-200 VS 274 seat RAM 788

Too much capacity? Probably, especially during these times.


I never thought we would see QR beef up to what it has here. Maybe it's got the potential? Shift BOS down to PHL for connections? To be seen but I hope AA will get CMN back in the spring...


Pretty sure AA said 3x weekly 752 PHL-CMN is a test flight. If it does well, they’ll increase. However, they won’t have the full data because it never started. So, *if* it returns next year, I’d expect a summer-only 3x weekly 752, or possibly less...
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:09 pm

It was selling incredibly well with the economy cabin sold out on certain days.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:33 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Looks like AA has slashed PHL-CMN/DBV/TXL/FCO/VCE/BCN/KEF/MAN/EDI/PRG/BUD/ATH/CDG for the summer.

No longer available on aa.com

In other words, only LHR, ZRH, and MAD remain. For now.

As they should. PHL isn’t the only airport taking a hit here. Every major one is. It’s gonna take a while.. for everything to get back to somewhat normal. Depends on how long this virus is gonna make the world shut down.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:58 am

aerace wrote:
According to a quick check on Google Flights, PHL has the following EU nonstops going the next several months.

from 7/1 - LHR, MAD, ZRH
from 9/1 - DUB, AMS
from 10/1 - CDG, FCO, BCN, MAN (BCN goes away end of month)
from 11/1 - LIS, PRG

It appears that seasonals are currently scrapped with a general resumption of year round destinations. FWIW, all hubs are pared down to basic OW destinations so this is happening across the board although ORD is still showing ATH and BCN running from July. At this point, I take whatever I see with a grain of salt.



Some dates are incorrect.

PHL - BCN LIS PRG not returning this year at all.

LHR back in June, MAD / ZRH back July 7.

Others return October 25.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:11 am

Well this is going to be one bummer summer for PHL. I hope to see most of the routes return next year. When should we start hearing?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:22 am

flyboy7974 wrote:
aerace wrote:
According to a quick check on Google Flights, PHL has the following EU nonstops going the next several months.

from 7/1 - LHR, MAD, ZRH
from 9/1 - DUB, AMS
from 10/1 - CDG, FCO, BCN, MAN (BCN goes away end of month)
from 11/1 - LIS, PRG

It appears that seasonals are currently scrapped with a general resumption of year round destinations. FWIW, all hubs are pared down to basic OW destinations so this is happening across the board although ORD is still showing ATH and BCN running from July. At this point, I take whatever I see with a grain of salt.



Some dates are incorrect.

PHL - BCN LIS PRG not returning this year at all.

LHR back in June, MAD / ZRH back July 7.

Others return October 25.


Yeah I was pulling from Google Flights this AM, so the schedules I guess weren’t finalized. This was just what I found on my own.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:55 am

aerace wrote:
flyboy7974 wrote:
aerace wrote:
According to a quick check on Google Flights, PHL has the following EU nonstops going the next several months.

from 7/1 - LHR, MAD, ZRH
from 9/1 - DUB, AMS
from 10/1 - CDG, FCO, BCN, MAN (BCN goes away end of month)
from 11/1 - LIS, PRG

It appears that seasonals are currently scrapped with a general resumption of year round destinations. FWIW, all hubs are pared down to basic OW destinations so this is happening across the board although ORD is still showing ATH and BCN running from July. At this point, I take whatever I see with a grain of salt.



Some dates are incorrect.

PHL - BCN LIS PRG not returning this year at all.

LHR back in June, MAD / ZRH back July 7.

Others return October 25.


Yeah I was pulling from Google Flights this AM, so the schedules I guess weren’t finalized. This was just what I found on my own.


Gotcha, announcement came out late. Overnight, changes should update in res.

My only question with the 757 retirement, what will be used for those markets.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:42 am

The announcement link, for those who haven't seen it yet in other threads:

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

Bloodbath on the seasonal routes out of PHL and ORD, and a long phase-in on the return to service for those routes coming back in the summer or fall.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:07 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Well this is going to be one bummer summer for PHL. I hope to see most of the routes return next year. When should we start hearing?


What I hope is that AA loads summer '21 destinations sooner than the normal late summer/early fall. I would think it could help AA greatly if they had a jump on rebooking those passengers willing to shift their itineraries back a year. Whether people would be open to doing that, who knows, there are still so many factors at play. Maybe I am being optimistic here, but I'm happy that AA did not state in the release that any of the summer '20 destinations were scrapped for '21.

Regarding the 757s I thought they were supposed to be getting phased out next summer anyways? There is so much unpredictability in this industry right now, it's hard to make any type of educated assessment on what's to come.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:40 pm

PHLCVGAMTK wrote:
The announcement link, for those who haven't seen it yet in other threads:

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

Bloodbath on the seasonal routes out of PHL and ORD, and a long phase-in on the return to service for those routes coming back in the summer or fall.

We shall see the demand come back. It will be slow the longer this virus goes on
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:44 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Well this is going to be one bummer summer for PHL. I hope to see most of the routes return next year. When should we start hearing?


If this situation continues without flattening the curve, expect to hear more bad news very soon.

At the worst, which is unfortunately what I'm expecting, anticipate American to cut practically every single transatlantic route again.

When will we hear good news of routes officially returning? No one knows.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:15 pm

Looks like AMS is going to an A332 next winter after the 787. Anyone know the point in this?
 
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Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:24 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Looks like AMS is going to an A332 next winter after the 787. Anyone know the point in this?

Most probably that is a place holder, possibly as they better define the schedule the flight will go back to a 787. Very premature at this point to look too much into a winter schedule.


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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:37 pm

I'm curious if more of the A332 will be based in PHL, 11 PHL, 4 CLT? (After the crisis is over)
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:20 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
I'm curious if more of the A332 will be based in PHL, 11 PHL, 4 CLT? (After the crisis is over)


That is a very likely scenario. Knowing AA though probably just put them all in DFW lol.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:52 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
I'm curious if more of the A332 will be based in PHL, 11 PHL, 4 CLT? (After the crisis is over)


That assumes that none of the seasonal flying from CLT returns next year. None is returning this year but I can see MAD and CDG returning for S21 from CLT, which would necessitate for more than 4.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:08 pm

Do we know if LH will come back? I think they would since there is probably corporate contracts tied with them and cargo
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:34 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Do we know if LH will come back? I think they would since there is probably corporate contracts tied with them and cargo


LH hasn’t announced anything yet about returning service to PHL. From an article I read the other day it stated that “The carrier will operate what it calls “an urgently needed basic service”, with three weekly flights from Frankfurt to each of Newark, Chicago, Montreal, Sao Paulo, Bangkok and Tokyo”. So as of right now I wouldn’t hold my breath on LH coming back anytime soon. It would be nice tho.
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