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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:01 pm

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Do we know if LH will come back? I think they would since there is probably corporate contracts tied with them and cargo


LH hasn’t announced anything yet about returning service to PHL. From an article I read the other day it stated that “The carrier will operate what it calls “an urgently needed basic service”, with three weekly flights from Frankfurt to each of Newark, Chicago, Montreal, Sao Paulo, Bangkok and Tokyo”. So as of right now I wouldn’t hold my breath on LH coming back anytime soon. It would be nice tho.

Right that makes sense. Thanks for the update
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:00 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
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Do we know if LH will come back? I think they would since there is probably corporate contracts tied with them and cargo


LH hasn’t announced anything yet about returning service to PHL. From an article I read the other day it stated that “The carrier will operate what it calls “an urgently needed basic service”, with three weekly flights from Frankfurt to each of Newark, Chicago, Montreal, Sao Paulo, Bangkok and Tokyo”. So as of right now I wouldn’t hold my breath on LH coming back anytime soon. It would be nice tho.

Right that makes sense. Thanks for the update


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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:19 pm

2020 February Numbers - the last before the cliff

February Traffic Numbers
Domestic
Month: +4.6% YTD: +4%
International
Month: +2.4% YTD: -1.4%
Total
Month: +4.4% YTD: +3.4%
YTD 2020 Paxs: 4,412,187

Total Cargo (Mail + Freight):
Month: +12% YTD: +12.9%
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:44 pm

usairways85 wrote:
2020 February Numbers - the last before the cliff

February Traffic Numbers
Domestic
Month: +4.6% YTD: +4%
International
Month: +2.4% YTD: -1.4%
Total
Month: +4.4% YTD: +3.4%
YTD 2020 Paxs: 4,412,187

Total Cargo (Mail + Freight):
Month: +12% YTD: +12.9%


Thanks for sharing this data.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:29 pm

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I'm curious if more of the A332 will be based in PHL, 11 PHL, 4 CLT? (After the crisis is over)



Thought I posted but guess it didn’t take ........ believe that PHL will be a 787 base and CLT will have the A332 based there. Exception Market is LHR which eventually will go all 777.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:48 pm

I could be wrong but is PHL international flying now delayed until July?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:50 pm

usairways85 wrote:
2020 February Numbers - the last before the cliff

February Traffic Numbers
Domestic
Month: +4.6% YTD: +4%
International
Month: +2.4% YTD: -1.4%
Total
Month: +4.4% YTD: +3.4%
YTD 2020 Paxs: 4,412,187

Total Cargo (Mail + Freight):
Month: +12% YTD: +12.9%

Thanks for posting. The international numbers make sense before the crisis. They were falling steady from 1-4%
 
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Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:55 pm

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I could be wrong but is PHL international flying now delayed until July?

LHR is scheduled to restart on June 4th, if and only if the ban is lifted by then. MAD/ZRH are scheduled for July. There was a schedule update this past weekend and that is the current planned schedule.


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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:11 pm

flyboy7974 wrote:
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I'm curious if more of the A332 will be based in PHL, 11 PHL, 4 CLT? (After the crisis is over)



Thought I posted but guess it didn’t take ........ believe that PHL will be a 787 base and CLT will have the A332 based there. Exception Market is LHR which eventually will go all 777.


PHL to LHR is going to a 777?
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:17 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
flyboy7974 wrote:
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I'm curious if more of the A332 will be based in PHL, 11 PHL, 4 CLT? (After the crisis is over)



Thought I posted but guess it didn’t take ........ believe that PHL will be a 787 base and CLT will have the A332 based there. Exception Market is LHR which eventually will go all 777.


PHL to LHR is going to a 777?


Eventually, long term, the plan is all LHR flights will be.
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:22 pm

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Thought I posted but guess it didn’t take ........ believe that PHL will be a 787 base and CLT will have the A332 based there. Exception Market is LHR which eventually will go all 777.


PHL to LHR is going to a 777?


Eventually, long term, the plan is all LHR flights will be.


Any guess on the timeline for this?
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:38 pm

flyboy7974 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
flyboy7974 wrote:


Thought I posted but guess it didn’t take ........ believe that PHL will be a 787 base and CLT will have the A332 based there. Exception Market is LHR which eventually will go all 777.


PHL to LHR is going to a 777?


Eventually, long term, the plan is all LHR flights will be.


Where'd you hear that?

Admittedly, it sort of makes sense considering a few ORD-LHR frequencies were switched back to the 772 and the new PHX/BOS/SEA-LHR are 772s.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:07 am

Ishrion wrote:
flyboy7974 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

PHL to LHR is going to a 777?


Eventually, long term, the plan is all LHR flights will be.


Where'd you hear that?

Admittedly, it sort of makes sense considering a few ORD-LHR frequencies were switched back to the 772 and the new PHX/BOS/SEA-LHR are 772s.


I first heard it last year from a counterpart at a meeting in LHR & did not think much of it since PHL has always had the A330 fleet, that before the 787 service started January 6. Jump to the current worldwide epidemic, the airline has made numerous decisions I don’t think they had plan to so quickly, thus, the LHR 777 topic has surfaced again.

Implementing is now my question and timeframe uncertain since PHL/CLT crews are not 777 qualified, although that has not prevented AA from overcoming scheduling obstacles in previous summer seasons. Years ago when ZRH was served from PHL and crews were not yet cross qualified to fly opposite metal, NY based LAA crews flew the 767 JFK-ZRH-PHL-ZRH-JFK, as just one example, so that may happen to accommodate the 777 LHR idea.

Still awaiting final word on the 757/E190/A333 fleet and if those have met their fate prematurely.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:14 am

Bigant0408 wrote:
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Do we know if LH will come back? I think they would since there is probably corporate contracts tied with them and cargo


LH hasn’t announced anything yet about returning service to PHL. From an article I read the other day it stated that “The carrier will operate what it calls “an urgently needed basic service”, with three weekly flights from Frankfurt to each of Newark, Chicago, Montreal, Sao Paulo, Bangkok and Tokyo”. So as of right now I wouldn’t hold my breath on LH coming back anytime soon. It would be nice tho.

However, LH currently has the A340-600 scheduled to restart PHL-FRA on about May 18, 2020.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:33 am

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Years ago when ZRH was served from PHL and crews were not yet cross qualified to fly opposite metal, NY based LAA crews flew the 767 JFK-ZRH-PHL-ZRH-JFK, as just one example, so that may happen to accommodate the 777 LHR idea.


What do you mean by this? I thought JFK-ZRH and PHL-ZRH weren’t served concurrently. The day after JFK-ZRH ended was when PHL-ZRH launched with the 763.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:38 am

Ishrion wrote:
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Years ago when ZRH was served from PHL and crews were not yet cross qualified to fly opposite metal, NY based LAA crews flew the 767 JFK-ZRH-PHL-ZRH-JFK, as just one example, so that may happen to accommodate the 777 LHR idea.


What do you mean by this? I thought JFK-ZRH and PHL-ZRH weren’t served concurrently. The day after JFK-ZRH ended was when PHL-ZRH launched with the 763.

Not sure if it was 2015 or 16, but PHL/JFK had ZRH flights on LAA metal. Then PHL lost the flight and JFK kept it, just for it to be moved back to PHL.


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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:54 am

chepos wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
flyboy7974 wrote:
Years ago when ZRH was served from PHL and crews were not yet cross qualified to fly opposite metal, NY based LAA crews flew the 767 JFK-ZRH-PHL-ZRH-JFK, as just one example, so that may happen to accommodate the 777 LHR idea.


What do you mean by this? I thought JFK-ZRH and PHL-ZRH weren’t served concurrently. The day after JFK-ZRH ended was when PHL-ZRH launched with the 763.

Not sure if it was 2015 or 16, but PHL/JFK had ZRH flights on LAA metal. Then PHL lost the flight and JFK kept it, just for it to be moved back to PHL.


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Looks like sometime around 2015, except during those years it was served with the A332/A333. I don't believe PHL saw 763 on TATL routes yet.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:16 am

2 772s on the route would be a nice upgrade. Anyone wanna make any predictions what PHL intl. might look like with TATL routes and aircraft types?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:34 am

Ishrion wrote:
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Ishrion wrote:

What do you mean by this? I thought JFK-ZRH and PHL-ZRH weren’t served concurrently. The day after JFK-ZRH ended was when PHL-ZRH launched with the 763.

Not sure if it was 2015 or 16, but PHL/JFK had ZRH flights on LAA metal. Then PHL lost the flight and JFK kept it, just for it to be moved back to PHL.


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Looks like sometime around 2015, except during those years it was served with the A332/A333. I don't believe PHL saw 763 on TATL routes yet.

In the summer of 16, LAA operated PHL-ZRH with a JFK crew on the 763 and the PHL base operated ORD -DUB with the 332.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:45 am

chepos wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
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Not sure if it was 2015 or 16, but PHL/JFK had ZRH flights on LAA metal. Then PHL lost the flight and JFK kept it, just for it to be moved back to PHL.


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Looks like sometime around 2015, except during those years it was served with the A332/A333. I don't believe PHL saw 763 on TATL routes yet.

In the summer of 16, LAA operated PHL-ZRH with a JFK crew on the 763 and the PHL base operated ORD -DUB with the 332.


Ah, thanks. ORD-DUB on the A332 was interesting that summer. Were they experimenting with the A330 for ORD?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:33 am

Pending the status of the virus.. Qatar still looks to resume Doha – Philadelphia on June 1st with a 777-300ER replacing A350-900X daily.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:58 am

Ishrion wrote:
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Ishrion wrote:

Looks like sometime around 2015, except during those years it was served with the A332/A333. I don't believe PHL saw 763 on TATL routes yet.

In the summer of 16, LAA operated PHL-ZRH with a JFK crew on the 763 and the PHL base operated ORD -DUB with the 332.


Ah, thanks. ORD-DUB on the A332 was interesting that summer. Were they experimenting with the A330 for ORD?

Most probably they could have done with the larger seating capacity in the back as DUB is usually busy in the summer. It most not have been economical to operate as it went back to LAA in 2017.


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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:01 pm

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Pending the status of the virus.. Qatar still looks to resume Doha – Philadelphia on June 1st with a 777-300ER replacing A350-900X daily.

That would be nice! We will have to see, I think it would be safer to launch in July given the current status of the virus
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:01 pm

I guess the A333 is not retired? And that we will continue to see them here? Which makes sense since AA is going to be delayed in getting the B788

Also list of changes https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-14apr20/

Philadelphia – Amsterdam eff 07OCT20 Service resumption, 1 daily 787-8
Philadelphia – Athens Seasonal 1 daily A330-300 cancelled
Philadelphia – Barcelona Seasonal 1 daily A330-200 cancelled
Philadelphia – Berlin Tegel Seasonal 1 daily 767-300ER cancelled
Philadelphia – Budapest Seasonal 1 daily 767-300ER cancelled
Philadelphia – Casablanca Planed new seasonal 3 weekly 757 from 04JUN20 cancelled
Philadelphia – Dublin eff 07OCT20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-200
Philadelphia – Dubrovnik Seasonal 1 daily 767-300ER cancelled
Philadelphia – Edinburgh Seasonal 1 daily 757 cancelled
Philadelphia – London Heathrow eff 04JUN20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-300 (2nd daily resumes on 07OCT20)
Philadelphia – Madrid eff 07JUL20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-200
Philadelphia – Manchester 1 daily 787-8 to resume on 24OCT20
Philadelphia – Paris CDG 1 daily A330-200 to resume on 24OCT20
Philadelphia – Prague Seasonal 1 daily 767/A330-200 cancelled
Philadelphia – Reykjavik Keflavik 04JUN20 – 17AUG20 Planned new 1 daily 757 service unchanged, however service operates until 17AUG20, instead of late-October 2020
Philadelphia – Rome eff 24OCT20 1 daily A330-300 to resume on 24OCT20
Philadelphia – Shannon Seasonal 1 daily 757 cancelled
Philadelphia – Venice Seasonal 1 daily A330-200 cancelled
Philadelphia – Zurich eff 08JUL20 Service resumption, 3 weekly 787-8 (reduced from 1 daily)
 
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Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:19 pm

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I guess the A333 is not retired? And that we will continue to see them here? Which makes sense since AA is going to be delayed in getting the B788

Also list of changes https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-14apr20/

Philadelphia – Amsterdam eff 07OCT20 Service resumption, 1 daily 787-8
Philadelphia – Athens Seasonal 1 daily A330-300 cancelled
Philadelphia – Barcelona Seasonal 1 daily A330-200 cancelled
Philadelphia – Berlin Tegel Seasonal 1 daily 767-300ER cancelled
Philadelphia – Budapest Seasonal 1 daily 767-300ER cancelled
Philadelphia – Casablanca Planed new seasonal 3 weekly 757 from 04JUN20 cancelled
Philadelphia – Dublin eff 07OCT20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-200
Philadelphia – Dubrovnik Seasonal 1 daily 767-300ER cancelled
Philadelphia – Edinburgh Seasonal 1 daily 757 cancelled
Philadelphia – London Heathrow eff 04JUN20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-300 (2nd daily resumes on 07OCT20)
Philadelphia – Madrid eff 07JUL20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-200
Philadelphia – Manchester 1 daily 787-8 to resume on 24OCT20
Philadelphia – Paris CDG 1 daily A330-200 to resume on 24OCT20
Philadelphia – Prague Seasonal 1 daily 767/A330-200 cancelled
Philadelphia – Reykjavik Keflavik 04JUN20 – 17AUG20 Planned new 1 daily 757 service unchanged, however service operates until 17AUG20, instead of late-October 2020
Philadelphia – Rome eff 24OCT20 1 daily A330-300 to resume on 24OCT20
Philadelphia – Shannon Seasonal 1 daily 757 cancelled
Philadelphia – Venice Seasonal 1 daily A330-200 cancelled
Philadelphia – Zurich eff 08JUL20 Service resumption, 3 weekly 787-8 (reduced from 1 daily)


1. Everything's subject to change. Changes to aircraft/scheduling are happening constantly.
2. I'm pretty sure the A333s aren't retiring immediately. They will be retired gradually.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:44 pm

Ishrion wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
I guess the A333 is not retired? And that we will continue to see them here? Which makes sense since AA is going to be delayed in getting the B788

Also list of changes https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-14apr20/

Philadelphia – Amsterdam eff 07OCT20 Service resumption, 1 daily 787-8
Philadelphia – Athens Seasonal 1 daily A330-300 cancelled
Philadelphia – Barcelona Seasonal 1 daily A330-200 cancelled
Philadelphia – Berlin Tegel Seasonal 1 daily 767-300ER cancelled
Philadelphia – Budapest Seasonal 1 daily 767-300ER cancelled
Philadelphia – Casablanca Planed new seasonal 3 weekly 757 from 04JUN20 cancelled
Philadelphia – Dublin eff 07OCT20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-200
Philadelphia – Dubrovnik Seasonal 1 daily 767-300ER cancelled
Philadelphia – Edinburgh Seasonal 1 daily 757 cancelled
Philadelphia – London Heathrow eff 04JUN20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-300 (2nd daily resumes on 07OCT20)
Philadelphia – Madrid eff 07JUL20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-200
Philadelphia – Manchester 1 daily 787-8 to resume on 24OCT20
Philadelphia – Paris CDG 1 daily A330-200 to resume on 24OCT20
Philadelphia – Prague Seasonal 1 daily 767/A330-200 cancelled
Philadelphia – Reykjavik Keflavik 04JUN20 – 17AUG20 Planned new 1 daily 757 service unchanged, however service operates until 17AUG20, instead of late-October 2020
Philadelphia – Rome eff 24OCT20 1 daily A330-300 to resume on 24OCT20
Philadelphia – Shannon Seasonal 1 daily 757 cancelled
Philadelphia – Venice Seasonal 1 daily A330-200 cancelled
Philadelphia – Zurich eff 08JUL20 Service resumption, 3 weekly 787-8 (reduced from 1 daily)


1. Everything's subject to change. Changes to aircraft/scheduling are happening constantly.
2. I'm pretty sure the A333s aren't retiring immediately. They will be retired gradually.


That REK filing has to be wrong. AA already said no go from PHL this summer. It's also not bookable. FI however is still showing 4x weekly.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:49 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
I guess the A333 is not retired? And that we will continue to see them here? Which makes sense since AA is going to be delayed in getting the B788

Also list of changes https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-14apr20/

Philadelphia – Amsterdam eff 07OCT20 Service resumption, 1 daily 787-8
Philadelphia – Athens Seasonal 1 daily A330-300 cancelled
Philadelphia – Barcelona Seasonal 1 daily A330-200 cancelled
Philadelphia – Berlin Tegel Seasonal 1 daily 767-300ER cancelled
Philadelphia – Budapest Seasonal 1 daily 767-300ER cancelled
Philadelphia – Casablanca Planed new seasonal 3 weekly 757 from 04JUN20 cancelled
Philadelphia – Dublin eff 07OCT20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-200
Philadelphia – Dubrovnik Seasonal 1 daily 767-300ER cancelled
Philadelphia – Edinburgh Seasonal 1 daily 757 cancelled
Philadelphia – London Heathrow eff 04JUN20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-300 (2nd daily resumes on 07OCT20)
Philadelphia – Madrid eff 07JUL20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-200
Philadelphia – Manchester 1 daily 787-8 to resume on 24OCT20
Philadelphia – Paris CDG 1 daily A330-200 to resume on 24OCT20
Philadelphia – Prague Seasonal 1 daily 767/A330-200 cancelled
Philadelphia – Reykjavik Keflavik 04JUN20 – 17AUG20 Planned new 1 daily 757 service unchanged, however service operates until 17AUG20, instead of late-October 2020
Philadelphia – Rome eff 24OCT20 1 daily A330-300 to resume on 24OCT20
Philadelphia – Shannon Seasonal 1 daily 757 cancelled
Philadelphia – Venice Seasonal 1 daily A330-200 cancelled
Philadelphia – Zurich eff 08JUL20 Service resumption, 3 weekly 787-8 (reduced from 1 daily)

They will be retired. AA said so. Schedules are in complete daily flux. It will take time to catch up and update.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:56 pm

AA’s schedule is by far the most of a mess out of the US carriers. Hoping PHL isn’t pushed over again next year...
 
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Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:06 pm

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AA’s schedule is by far the most of a mess out of the US carriers. Hoping PHL isn’t pushed over again next year...


I kind of have to disagree.

While AA has essentially finalized the long-haul routes for most of its summer schedule, Delta and United really haven't announced much?
 
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Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:06 pm

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AA’s schedule is by far the most of a mess out of the US carriers. Hoping PHL isn’t pushed over again next year...

You do know all of the US carriers are basically amending future schedules every couple of days/weeks. Take a look at Delta News Hub, see how many times April international schedules are getting amended, UA has gotten as far as mid May. Don’t think EWR is going to be seeing as much international flying as you think this summer. Every future airline schedule is in flux.


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Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:20 pm

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I guess the A333 is not retired? And that we will continue to see them here? Which makes sense since AA is going to be delayed in getting the B788

Also list of changes https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-14apr20/

Philadelphia – Amsterdam eff 07OCT20 Service resumption, 1 daily 787-8
Philadelphia – Athens Seasonal 1 daily A330-300 cancelled
Philadelphia – Barcelona Seasonal 1 daily A330-200 cancelled
Philadelphia – Berlin Tegel Seasonal 1 daily 767-300ER cancelled
Philadelphia – Budapest Seasonal 1 daily 767-300ER cancelled
Philadelphia – Casablanca Planed new seasonal 3 weekly 757 from 04JUN20 cancelled
Philadelphia – Dublin eff 07OCT20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-200
Philadelphia – Dubrovnik Seasonal 1 daily 767-300ER cancelled
Philadelphia – Edinburgh Seasonal 1 daily 757 cancelled
Philadelphia – London Heathrow eff 04JUN20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-300 (2nd daily resumes on 07OCT20)
Philadelphia – Madrid eff 07JUL20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-200
Philadelphia – Manchester 1 daily 787-8 to resume on 24OCT20
Philadelphia – Paris CDG 1 daily A330-200 to resume on 24OCT20
Philadelphia – Prague Seasonal 1 daily 767/A330-200 cancelled
Philadelphia – Reykjavik Keflavik 04JUN20 – 17AUG20 Planned new 1 daily 757 service unchanged, however service operates until 17AUG20, instead of late-October 2020
Philadelphia – Rome eff 24OCT20 1 daily A330-300 to resume on 24OCT20
Philadelphia – Shannon Seasonal 1 daily 757 cancelled
Philadelphia – Venice Seasonal 1 daily A330-200 cancelled
Philadelphia – Zurich eff 08JUL20 Service resumption, 3 weekly 787-8 (reduced from 1 daily)


It’s just so hard to get excited or assume anything right now for PHL and all international flying rights now.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:30 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
AA’s schedule is by far the most of a mess out of the US carriers. Hoping PHL isn’t pushed over again next year...


I kind of have to disagree.

While AA has essentially finalized the long-haul routes for most of its summer schedule, Delta and United really haven't announced much?


Did you not see UA’s TATL schedule? Not to mention but AA is still selling flights on aircraft they don’t even have anymore...
 
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Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:31 pm

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Nicknuzzii wrote:
AA’s schedule is by far the most of a mess out of the US carriers. Hoping PHL isn’t pushed over again next year...

You do know all of the US carriers are basically amending future schedules every couple of days/weeks. Take a look at Delta News Hub, see how many times April international schedules are getting amended, UA has gotten as far as mid May. Don’t think EWR is going to be seeing as much international flying as you think this summer. Every future airline schedule is in flux.


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AA solution was just to cut everything despite knowing what’s going to happen in the future. Furthermore, the flights that they left flying are on aircraft they don’t even have in their fleet anymore lol.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:39 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
AA’s schedule is by far the most of a mess out of the US carriers. Hoping PHL isn’t pushed over again next year...


I kind of have to disagree.

While AA has essentially finalized the long-haul routes for most of its summer schedule, Delta and United really haven't announced much?


Did you not see UA’s TATL schedule? Not to mention but AA is still selling flights on aircraft they don’t even have anymore...


Is this United's TATL schedule? https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-13apr20/

Only 11 routes are cancelled. The rest of United's long-haul network will resume in May,

Do you really expect them to fly the rest of those routes in May?

United hasn't updated a majority of its May long-haul schedule and will likely need to make more way changes than AA.

AA has already predetermined most of its routes for the summer and the start of the fall schedule.

Also, what aircraft that's no longer in the fleet is AA still selling flights for? A333s haven't been retired yet. Are there still some 767's available for booking?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:43 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

I kind of have to disagree.

While AA has essentially finalized the long-haul routes for most of its summer schedule, Delta and United really haven't announced much?


Did you not see UA’s TATL schedule? Not to mention but AA is still selling flights on aircraft they don’t even have anymore...


Is this United's TATL schedule? https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-13apr20/

Only 11 routes are cancelled. The rest of United's long-haul network will resume in May,

Do you really expect them to fly the rest of those routes in May?

United hasn't updated a majority of its May long-haul schedule and will likely need to make more way changes than AA.

AA has already predetermined most of its routes for the summer and the start of the fall schedule.

Also, what aircraft that's no longer in the fleet is AA still selling flights for? A333s haven't been retired yet. Are there still some 767's available for booking?


757s, 767s, A330-300s you name it.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:49 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

Did you not see UA’s TATL schedule? Not to mention but AA is still selling flights on aircraft they don’t even have anymore...


Is this United's TATL schedule? https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-13apr20/

Only 11 routes are cancelled. The rest of United's long-haul network will resume in May,

Do you really expect them to fly the rest of those routes in May?

United hasn't updated a majority of its May long-haul schedule and will likely need to make more way changes than AA.

AA has already predetermined most of its routes for the summer and the start of the fall schedule.

Also, what aircraft that's no longer in the fleet is AA still selling flights for? A333s haven't been retired yet. Are there still some 767's available for booking?


757s, 767s, A330-300s you name it.


Do you see any 763s available for booking? Because I'm not seeing any so far.

Even in the latest Routesonline update above, all 767s have been removed from the international schedule, including GYE, LIM, etc.

The 757s and A330-300s aren't 100% confirmed to be fully retired yet.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:55 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Is this United's TATL schedule? https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-13apr20/

Only 11 routes are cancelled. The rest of United's long-haul network will resume in May,

Do you really expect them to fly the rest of those routes in May?

United hasn't updated a majority of its May long-haul schedule and will likely need to make more way changes than AA.

AA has already predetermined most of its routes for the summer and the start of the fall schedule.

Also, what aircraft that's no longer in the fleet is AA still selling flights for? A333s haven't been retired yet. Are there still some 767's available for booking?


757s, 767s, A330-300s you name it.


Do you see any 763s available for booking? Because I'm not seeing any so far.

Even in the latest Routesonline update above, all 767s have been removed from the international schedule, including GYE, LIM, etc.

The 757s and A330-300s aren't 100% confirmed to be fully retired yet.


Take one look at PHL - MIA and you will see almost all 757s and 767s.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:02 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

757s, 767s, A330-300s you name it.


Do you see any 763s available for booking? Because I'm not seeing any so far.

Even in the latest Routesonline update above, all 767s have been removed from the international schedule, including GYE, LIM, etc.

The 757s and A330-300s aren't 100% confirmed to be fully retired yet.


Take one look at PHL - MIA and you will see almost all 757s and 767s.


That was actually the first route I checked.

There are no more 757s or 767s on the route for tomorrow or the next couple of months.

It looks like the 767 has been completely removed from AA’s schedule. The 757 is expected to return in a few months.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:06 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Do you see any 763s available for booking? Because I'm not seeing any so far.

Even in the latest Routesonline update above, all 767s have been removed from the international schedule, including GYE, LIM, etc.

The 757s and A330-300s aren't 100% confirmed to be fully retired yet.


Take one look at PHL - MIA and you will see almost all 757s and 767s.


That was actually the first route I checked.

There are no more 757s or 767s on the route for tomorrow or the next couple of months.

It looks like the 767 has been completely removed from AA’s schedule. The 757 is expected to return in a few months.


https://www.google.com/flights?q=phl+to ... 1;t:f;tt:o

Where are you seeing that it is expected to return?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:18 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

Take one look at PHL - MIA and you will see almost all 757s and 767s.


That was actually the first route I checked.

There are no more 757s or 767s on the route for tomorrow or the next couple of months.

It looks like the 767 has been completely removed from AA’s schedule. The 757 is expected to return in a few months.


https://www.google.com/flights?q=phl+to ... 1;t:f;tt:o

Where are you seeing that it is expected to return?


Ah, guess there’s still some left available.

Considering MIA-BSB is still scheduled to resume in October on the 752 may be when the aircraft will return. The 757s retiring immediately isn’t 100% confirmed. The last official announcement from AA was they’ll be retired by the end of summer 2021.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:45 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

That was actually the first route I checked.

There are no more 757s or 767s on the route for tomorrow or the next couple of months.

It looks like the 767 has been completely removed from AA’s schedule. The 757 is expected to return in a few months.


https://www.google.com/flights?q=phl+to ... 1;t:f;tt:o

Where are you seeing that it is expected to return?


Ah, guess there’s still some left available.

Considering MIA-BSB is still scheduled to resume in October on the 752 may be when the aircraft will return. The 757s retiring immediately isn’t 100% confirmed. The last official announcement from AA was they’ll be retired by the end of summer 2021.


AA hasn’t been transparent at all throughout this process at all so I would definitely not expect the 757s to return.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:50 pm

In the future would it be too far fetched to guess AA bases around 10 788s, 5 789s, 8 A332s, and maybe a 772 or 2 at PHL?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:42 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

I kind of have to disagree.

While AA has essentially finalized the long-haul routes for most of its summer schedule, Delta and United really haven't announced much?


Did you not see UA’s TATL schedule? Not to mention but AA is still selling flights on aircraft they don’t even have anymore...


Is this United's TATL schedule? https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-13apr20/

Only 11 routes are cancelled. The rest of United's long-haul network will resume in May,

Do you really expect them to fly the rest of those routes in May?

United hasn't updated a majority of its May long-haul schedule and will likely need to make more way changes than AA.

AA has already predetermined most of its routes for the summer and the start of the fall schedule.

Also, what aircraft that's no longer in the fleet is AA still selling flights for? A333s haven't been retired yet. Are there still some 767's available for booking?


Correct on United. They have not updated their schedule past May 19th and will update on a rolling basis.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:23 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
It’s just so hard to get excited or assume anything right now for PHL and all international flying rights now.


I'm still holding my card that most likely international flying won't resume until July. Especially how the virus is developing. I can see the PHL-LHR will be pushed back a week or two as well. I hope it will come back soon. Hopefully 2021 will be strong!
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:24 pm

How will AA fly routes like SNN and EDI in 2021 without the 757?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:26 pm

aerace wrote:
That REK filing has to be wrong. AA already said no go from PHL this summer. It's also not bookable. FI however is still showing 4x weekly.


Yeah I'm not sure what is going on either. I see the same thing you are. Happy to see FI but we shall see if that will hold true
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:30 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
How will AA fly routes like SNN and EDI in 2021 without the 757?


Some people earlier say the A321neo is planned. Not sure if it’ll actually happen.

As the A321neo doesn’t have lie-flat beds, it would go against the lie-flat requirement for the AA/BA/IB/AY TATL JV.

Would they have to add restrictions on the neo for certain ex-757 long-haul routes?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:15 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
It’s just so hard to get excited or assume anything right now for PHL and all international flying rights now.


I'm still holding my card that most likely international flying won't resume until July. Especially how the virus is developing. I can see the PHL-LHR will be pushed back a week or two as well. I hope it will come back soon. Hopefully 2021 will be strong!


I’m thinking the same thing too for international flying.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:26 am

The 767 are gone, no more, adios, see ya later, think somebody posted one or two have already left ROW for freighter conversion in TLV (I think.)

I would say the A333 retiring are much more definite than the 757 or E190. Who knows what will sub for the TATL 757 flying. Unsure to say the least. Any decision for summer 2021 flying, a retrofit could be handled during the slower winter season if let’s say, it were the A321.

On a different note, two A332 were flown PHLROW this morning, storage or retirement? We were told before all ROW were retirement & storage would be handled elsewhere, either in the hubs or at outstations, unsure if this currently still holds true.

Whatever happens, it’ll be interesting down the road to take a look back at this topic and all it’s posts once PHL stabilizes and flying returns.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:32 am

flyboy7974 wrote:
The 767 are gone, no more, adios, see ya later, think somebody posted one or two have already left ROW for freighter conversion in TLV (I think.)

I would say the A333 retiring are much more definite than the 757 or E190. Who knows what will sub for the TATL 757 flying. Unsure to say the least. Any decision for summer 2021 flying, a retrofit could be handled during the slower winter season if let’s say, it were the A321.

On a different note, two A332 were flown PHLROW this morning, storage or retirement? We were told before all ROW were retirement & storage would be handled elsewhere, either in the hubs or at outstations, unsure if this currently still holds true.

Whatever happens, it’ll be interesting down the road to take a look back at this topic and all it’s posts once PHL stabilizes and flying returns.

I don't believe that AA would retire the A332 that early especially since they are young and was retrofited with PE a few years ago. I doubt the E190 come back. It will be interesting to see this down the road.

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