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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:34 pm

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Random thought but just curious once AS actually joins OW I wonder if they would be able to move from Terminal D to terminal A, B, or C for better connections.

It could be a possibility as they only need one gate for two flights a day.

I really hope JetBlue really breaks into PHL and stays. I would Philly is about the cheapest flights but having more NY transplants coming here(boo NYers). I see why B6 made that move. I'm excited for a better product instead of the ULCC bare bones.

Can anyone look on Google flights and see JetBlue nonstop tickets being sold? I don't see it


Yea it will be interesting to see how it works out if that even becomes a plan with AS. As for JetBlue I do see at least SJU, MCO and TPA working out successfully. It will be nice to have an in between options at least for the FL markets when it comes to aircraft products.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:09 pm

I am pretty sure UA handles AS flights above the wing. D is easily accessible to AA connections since there is not a need to exit/reenter. Not that much of a benefit for AS to take up an AA gate.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:24 pm

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I am pretty sure UA handles AS flights above the wing. D is easily accessible to AA connections since there is not a need to exit/reenter. Not that much of a benefit for AS to take up an AA gate.


Unless something changed in the last couple of weeks, DGS handles AS above wing and I think below as well. They share D4/D6 with SY.

UA handles Air Canada.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:20 pm

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I am pretty sure UA handles AS flights above the wing. D is easily accessible to AA connections since there is not a need to exit/reenter. Not that much of a benefit for AS to take up an AA gate.


Unless something changed in the last couple of weeks, DGS handles AS above wing and I think below as well. They share D4/D6 with SY.

UA handles Air Canada.

I'm going by around a year ago when I saw UA working an AS flight. So I stand corrected.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:21 pm

PHL is out with new COVID-19 air service incentives that run from July 2020 - June 2022.

https://www.phl.org/drupalbin/media/PHL ... 202020.pdf
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:04 pm

I didn’t read the fine print but it seems that most of the domestic incentives are targeted at AS.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:06 pm

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PHL is out with new COVID-19 air service incentives that run from July 2020 - June 2022.

https://www.phl.org/drupalbin/media/PHL ... 202020.pdf


This is great. It even got coverage on Airlineroute. But it’s a bit cart before the horse because PHL needs to become an approved Covid-19 airport for international. Not sure why they haven’t or when that will occur, but it has to happen really soon since start dates continue to be pushed for AA, BA, LH. QR doesn’t return until October so I hope this would be sorted by then.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:15 pm

Link to Routes online incase anyone is interested

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... e-cameron/
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:50 am

What was the original reason that Aer Lingus serve PHL? Was it Aer Lingus was going to join the AA/BA/IB/AY JV but that hasn't happened.Or the air incentive program with the waived landing fees that got them over the edge?

JetBlue you can transfer bags to Aer Lingus at there selected airports but you cannot earn points for them. Alaska Airlines is partner with them and you can earn points with them. Even United is even partnered with them. Interesting partners I got to say. Anyways it would be great to see them back as well once we are an approved airport.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:20 am

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What was the original reason that Aer Lingus serve PHL? Was it Aer Lingus was going to join the AA/BA/IB/AY JV but that hasn't happened.Or the air incentive program with the waived landing fees that got them over the edge?

JetBlue you can transfer bags to Aer Lingus at there selected airports but you cannot earn points for them. Alaska Airlines is partner with them and you can earn points with them. Even United is even partnered with them. Interesting partners I got to say. Anyways it would be great to see them back as well once we are an approved airport.


Philadelphia has one of America's largest Irish communities. Aer Lingus "threatened" to start PHL service for the past 40 years, but it never happened until recent years.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:05 am

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What was the original reason that Aer Lingus serve PHL? Was it Aer Lingus was going to join the AA/BA/IB/AY JV but that hasn't happened.Or the air incentive program with the waived landing fees that got them over the edge?

JetBlue you can transfer bags to Aer Lingus at there selected airports but you cannot earn points for them. Alaska Airlines is partner with them and you can earn points with them. Even United is even partnered with them. Interesting partners I got to say. Anyways it would be great to see them back as well once we are an approved airport.


Philadelphia has one of America's largest Irish communities. Aer Lingus "threatened" to start PHL service for the past 40 years, but it never happened until recent years.

Was it just better to fly from NY or that the B757 and A321 made that possible? I don't understand then why couldn't they can served it earlier
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:04 pm

Looks like Sun Country has started service again even tho with the CARES act PHL was one of the cities that was marked for suspension from SY

https://www.phl.org/newsroom/suncountryreturns
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:41 pm

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Looks like Sun Country has started service again even tho with the CARES act PHL was one of the cities that was marked for suspension from SY

https://www.phl.org/newsroom/suncountryreturns

Yay a win! And possibly more like ULCC attacks U.S. big three?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:58 pm

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Looks like Sun Country has started service again even tho with the CARES act PHL was one of the cities that was marked for suspension from SY

https://www.phl.org/newsroom/suncountryreturns

Yay a win! And possibly more like ULCC attacks U.S. big three?


Yea I definitely wasn't expecting SY to come back at all this year IMO. Definitely a win for sure. With both AA and DL flying this route at the moment I guess SY saw potential increase in passenger growth. Quite possible could be an attack against the big three.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:16 pm

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/20 ... cf201f7520

Forbes article about the incentives program PHL is offering airlines
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:01 am

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crownvic wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
What was the original reason that Aer Lingus serve PHL? Was it Aer Lingus was going to join the AA/BA/IB/AY JV but that hasn't happened.Or the air incentive program with the waived landing fees that got them over the edge?

JetBlue you can transfer bags to Aer Lingus at there selected airports but you cannot earn points for them. Alaska Airlines is partner with them and you can earn points with them. Even United is even partnered with them. Interesting partners I got to say. Anyways it would be great to see them back as well once we are an approved airport.


Philadelphia has one of America's largest Irish communities. Aer Lingus "threatened" to start PHL service for the past 40 years, but it never happened until recent years.

Was it just better to fly from NY or that the B757 and A321 made that possible? I don't understand then why couldn't they can served it earlier


For many years, EI was really small and just did not have the extra equipment. The 747 was too big and they just did not have enough 707s. If you look back to the 70s, EI was one of the few European carrier that did not order tri-jets or A300/310 types. Nearly every long haul European carrier had them. I am not talking about the leased L-1011 or MD-11s, that came much later. I think if they had a smaller widebody in the 70s, they would have launched PHL back then, because local news articles would always mention that EI officials were in Philly to discuss new service. As time passed, US began building up their international route network at PHL. By the time EI received their A330s, I believe US was already serving Dublin and Shannon (from PHL), so EI looked at other U.S. destinations and just kept passing on PHL. The smaller size of the 757, definitely opened up an opportunity for them to finally add PHL.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:26 pm

Based off the OAG post today B6 BOS route is being trimmed to 2 daily flights

B6 BOS-PHL AUG 8>2[7]
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:54 pm

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Based off the OAG post today B6 BOS route is being trimmed to 2 daily flights

B6 BOS-PHL AUG 8>2[7]

Not surprised. But at least it's two daily. I'm wondering if B6 will have to push back the start dates one month or even two?


Also thanks for posting the article yesterday. I really hope the incentive program will attract carriers to come here.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:13 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Based off the OAG post today B6 BOS route is being trimmed to 2 daily flights

B6 BOS-PHL AUG 8>2[7]

Not surprised. But at least it's two daily. I'm wondering if B6 will have to push back the start dates one month or even two?


Also thanks for posting the article yesterday. I really hope the incentive program will attract carriers to come here.


Yea it only made sense for them to trim this route. I do think they should have started the routes in October as August felt so soon but with Florida up ok the air we shall see what happens.

You’re welcome on the article posting hopefully some airlines decide to take advantage
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:08 am

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Based off the OAG post today B6 BOS route is being trimmed to 2 daily flights

B6 BOS-PHL AUG 8>2[7]

Not surprised. But at least it's two daily. I'm wondering if B6 will have to push back the start dates one month or even two?


Also thanks for posting the article yesterday. I really hope the incentive program will attract carriers to come here.

Boston cut is expected for a while. Business traffic in northeast is non existent and JetBlue doesn't connect that much domestically out of Boston. I assume aa must be doing mostly connection on its flights.

As for the rest, I think they will need to get some booking data to see what to do with them. My guess is that sju will start in August and all the Florida stuif gets pushed to October or November start.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:37 pm

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/20 ... d311312f59

Looks like there's huge efforts from PHL and Government officials to try and get PHL on the funnel list for international service.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:53 am

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2020/06/29/europe-travel-to-philadelphia--remains-impossible-puzzling--airport-ceo/#66d311312f59

Looks like there's huge efforts from PHL and Government officials to try and get PHL on the funnel list for international service.

I'm happy to see this huge effort. Though I wouldn't be shocked if it was a political issue.given with this administration.

I'm happy to see most our international carriers want to come back to PHL. Hoping more in the future like service to Asia.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:52 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2020/06/29/europe-travel-to-philadelphia--remains-impossible-puzzling--airport-ceo/#66d311312f59

Looks like there's huge efforts from PHL and Government officials to try and get PHL on the funnel list for international service.

I'm happy to see this huge effort. Though I wouldn't be shocked if it was a political issue.given with this administration.

I'm happy to see most our international carriers want to come back to PHL. Hoping more in the future like service to Asia.


I know overall it’ll be a tough battle but glad to know that PHL isn’t give to up and is trying anything to get the airport back up and rolling again.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:53 pm

I think it’s interesting PHL won’t release their April numbers.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:59 pm

Routesonline Qatar post about the expanded codesharing for AA domestic flights.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-in-3q20/
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:24 pm

Also one Wikipedia the 2019 top 10 busiest international routes data is out. The two that stick out to me is Qatar moving from 9th to the 8th spot and Frankfurt dramatically decreasing to the 9th

1 London–Heathrow, United Kingdom 455,273 Increase0.7% American, British Airways
2 Toronto–Pearson, Canada 299,897 Increase1.5% Air Canada, American
3 Cancún, Mexico 264,338 Decrease1.7% American, Frontier
4 Dublin, Ireland 237,301 Increase15.2% Aer Lingus, American
5 Montego Bay, Jamaica 200,434 Increase1.9% American, Frontier
6 Punta Cana, Dominican Republic 189,860 Decrease9.2% American, Frontier
7 Montréal–Trudeau, Canada 185,128 Decrease6.7% Air Canada, American
8 Doha, Qatar 180,218 Increase20.8% Qatar
9 Frankfurt, Germany 178,888 Decrease18.6% Lufthansa
10 Rome–Fiumicino, Italy 152,228 Increase7.0% American
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:07 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
Also one Wikipedia the 2019 top 10 busiest international routes data is out. The two that stick out to me is Qatar moving from 9th to the 8th spot and Frankfurt dramatically decreasing to the 9th

1 London–Heathrow, United Kingdom 455,273 Increase0.7% American, British Airways
2 Toronto–Pearson, Canada 299,897 Increase1.5% Air Canada, American
3 Cancún, Mexico 264,338 Decrease1.7% American, Frontier
4 Dublin, Ireland 237,301 Increase15.2% Aer Lingus, American
5 Montego Bay, Jamaica 200,434 Increase1.9% American, Frontier
6 Punta Cana, Dominican Republic 189,860 Decrease9.2% American, Frontier
7 Montréal–Trudeau, Canada 185,128 Decrease6.7% Air Canada, American
8 Doha, Qatar 180,218 Increase20.8% Qatar
9 Frankfurt, Germany 178,888 Decrease18.6% Lufthansa
10 Rome–Fiumicino, Italy 152,228 Increase7.0% American

Did AA stop serving FRA in 2018? Given that Lufthansa is purely serving this as O&D with no feed from the PHL side that seems quite good? I don't remember the numbers from 2018. I really hope we don't lose Lufthansa. Good to see Dublin increasing. I'm always surprised to see Toronto doing well, does Philly have good business connections with Toronto?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:15 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Also one Wikipedia the 2019 top 10 busiest international routes data is out. The two that stick out to me is Qatar moving from 9th to the 8th spot and Frankfurt dramatically decreasing to the 9th

1 London–Heathrow, United Kingdom 455,273 Increase0.7% American, British Airways
2 Toronto–Pearson, Canada 299,897 Increase1.5% Air Canada, American
3 Cancún, Mexico 264,338 Decrease1.7% American, Frontier
4 Dublin, Ireland 237,301 Increase15.2% Aer Lingus, American
5 Montego Bay, Jamaica 200,434 Increase1.9% American, Frontier
6 Punta Cana, Dominican Republic 189,860 Decrease9.2% American, Frontier
7 Montréal–Trudeau, Canada 185,128 Decrease6.7% Air Canada, American
8 Doha, Qatar 180,218 Increase20.8% Qatar
9 Frankfurt, Germany 178,888 Decrease18.6% Lufthansa
10 Rome–Fiumicino, Italy 152,228 Increase7.0% American

Did AA stop serving FRA in 2018? Given that Lufthansa is purely serving this as O&D with no feed from the PHL side that seems quite good? I don't remember the numbers from 2018. I really hope we don't lose Lufthansa. Good to see Dublin increasing. I'm always surprised to see Toronto doing well, does Philly have good business connections with Toronto?


Yea I believe AA stopped in October 2018. I doubt we'll loose LH service. Yea Toronto has normally done good to the point I'm surprised Porter Airlines hasn't give PHL a try yet.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:00 pm

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I think it’s interesting PHL won’t release their April numbers.

Not raw numbers, but an indication...
https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/ ... ticipated/

The Philadelphia International Airport is anticipating more than 400,000 passengers to travel through the airport in the month of June.

That’s much greater than the number of passengers PHL served in the month of April, which was 120,000. Still, airport officials also anticipate that June passenger numbers will be down approximately 85% compared to June 2019.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:09 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
Also one Wikipedia the 2019 top 10 busiest international routes data is out. The two that stick out to me is Qatar moving from 9th to the 8th spot and Frankfurt dramatically decreasing to the 9th

1 London–Heathrow, United Kingdom 455,273 Increase0.7% American, British Airways
2 Toronto–Pearson, Canada 299,897 Increase1.5% Air Canada, American
3 Cancún, Mexico 264,338 Decrease1.7% American, Frontier
4 Dublin, Ireland 237,301 Increase15.2% Aer Lingus, American
5 Montego Bay, Jamaica 200,434 Increase1.9% American, Frontier
6 Punta Cana, Dominican Republic 189,860 Decrease9.2% American, Frontier
7 Montréal–Trudeau, Canada 185,128 Decrease6.7% Air Canada, American
8 Doha, Qatar 180,218 Increase20.8% Qatar
9 Frankfurt, Germany 178,888 Decrease18.6% Lufthansa
10 Rome–Fiumicino, Italy 152,228 Increase7.0% American


Those CUN and PUJ decreases I would think have to do with negative press particularly PUJ about deaths to vacationing Americans. Not sure why the drop in Montreal but I am happy to see QR continue to notch upward since the change to the PM flight. Also great to see the jump to Dublin thanks to EI entering the market. And I would also say that LH is definitely holding its own with no travel partners on either end.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:57 pm

We are down to about 17 long haul flights a day come next summer. It’s really not that bad considering the circumstances but I do believe PHL-DBV/TXL could have weathered the storm.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:03 pm

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We are down to about 17 long haul flights a day come next summer. It’s really not that bad considering the circumstances but I do believe PHL-DBV/TXL could have weathered the storm.


All things considered, to lose a few summer seasonals just added two years ago, is really not bad at all. I wanted to take advantage of the DBV flight since it was moved off the 763, but DBV is huge cruise market and I guess they are expecting that industry to take a long time to come back. No mention of other seasonals (SNN, BCN, ATH, EDI, LIS, PRG, KEF) so I am hoping that is a good sign. We fared way better than CLT -- just LHR and Germany, ouch. I guess AA is going to funnel all EU traffic through PHL now.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:08 pm

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Nicknuzzii wrote:
We are down to about 17 long haul flights a day come next summer. It’s really not that bad considering the circumstances but I do believe PHL-DBV/TXL could have weathered the storm.


All things considered, to lose a few summer seasonals just added two years ago, is really not bad at all. I wanted to take advantage of the DBV flight since it was moved off the 763, but DBV is huge cruise market and I guess they are expecting that industry to take a long time to come back. No mention of other seasonals (SNN, BCN, ATH, EDI, LIS, PRG, KEF) so I am hoping that is a good sign. We fared way better than CLT -- just LHR and Germany, ouch. I guess AA is going to funnel all EU traffic through PHL now.


Indeed, CLT did get screwed. The DBV actually does make sense once you mentioned cruises. That industry has a lot longer of a recovery.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:50 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
aerace wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
We are down to about 17 long haul flights a day come next summer. It’s really not that bad considering the circumstances but I do believe PHL-DBV/TXL could have weathered the storm.


All things considered, to lose a few summer seasonals just added two years ago, is really not bad at all. I wanted to take advantage of the DBV flight since it was moved off the 763, but DBV is huge cruise market and I guess they are expecting that industry to take a long time to come back. No mention of other seasonals (SNN, BCN, ATH, EDI, LIS, PRG, KEF) so I am hoping that is a good sign. We fared way better than CLT -- just LHR and Germany, ouch. I guess AA is going to funnel all EU traffic through PHL now.


Indeed, CLT did get screwed. The DBV actually does make sense once you mentioned cruises. That industry has a lot longer of a recovery.

The announcement was vague. CLT-MAD/DUB were not listed implying no change, they still plan to operate as previously planned. So CLT has LHR, MAD, DUB, FRA, MUC.

It does appear PHL fared well with losing just the recent seasonal adds. But it's anyone's guess how S21 pans out.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:16 pm

So PHL is not going to be an approved airport at this point since all the routes is getting pushed back to winter?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:35 pm

Didn't expect DBV to be cut but as others mentioned it does make sense for tourism reason.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:00 pm

I would not be surprised to see VCE and BCN reduced to less than daily frequencies. As someone pointed out with the DBV cut, European cruise traffic will be way down in 2021 (and even beyond)
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:29 am

AA's PHL-KEF on the A321neo is now available for booking from June 3, 2021.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:38 am

Ishrion wrote:
AA's PHL-KEF on the A321neo is now available for booking from June 3, 2021.


Thanks for sharing on this.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:31 pm

Just got an email from American showing a new partnership with JetBlue. Anyone know the likelihood of JetBlue joining OneWorld? The email reads similar to the partnership announced between American and Alaska.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:36 pm

gjrip wrote:
Just got an email from American showing a new partnership with JetBlue. Anyone know the likelihood of JetBlue joining OneWorld? The email reads similar to the partnership announced between American and Alaska.


They will not join OneWorld but suddenly it makes these recent B6 adds to TPA, MCO, PBI, and SJU seem a bit more doubtful
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:48 pm

jetsetter629 wrote:
gjrip wrote:
Just got an email from American showing a new partnership with JetBlue. Anyone know the likelihood of JetBlue joining OneWorld? The email reads similar to the partnership announced between American and Alaska.


They will not join OneWorld but suddenly it makes these recent B6 adds to TPA, MCO, PBI, and SJU seem a bit more doubtful


Doubtful this AA/B6 partnership is approved. Too much overlap and reduced competition even with a pandemic. Let alone all the job losses. I could see AS/B6 receiving approval over this arrangement.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:59 pm

jetsetter629 wrote:
gjrip wrote:
Just got an email from American showing a new partnership with JetBlue. Anyone know the likelihood of JetBlue joining OneWorld? The email reads similar to the partnership announced between American and Alaska.


They will not join OneWorld but suddenly it makes these recent B6 adds to TPA, MCO, PBI, and SJU seem a bit more doubtful

Why? AA and B6 have to continue competing against each other.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:20 pm

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jetsetter629 wrote:
gjrip wrote:
Just got an email from American showing a new partnership with JetBlue. Anyone know the likelihood of JetBlue joining OneWorld? The email reads similar to the partnership announced between American and Alaska.


They will not join OneWorld but suddenly it makes these recent B6 adds to TPA, MCO, PBI, and SJU seem a bit more doubtful

Why? AA and B6 have to continue competing against each other.


No they don't. And lets be honest, this is not an "interline" agreement it is a virtual merger.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:45 pm

Philly65 wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
jetsetter629 wrote:

They will not join OneWorld but suddenly it makes these recent B6 adds to TPA, MCO, PBI, and SJU seem a bit more doubtful

Why? AA and B6 have to continue competing against each other.


No they don't. And lets be honest, this is not an "interline" agreement it is a virtual merger.


It appears to be a codeshare. There is no joining of the AA/IAG JV. JetBlue is still planning on TATL expansion. There are no reciprocal elite benefits that have been detailed. They haven't even claimed that you can redeem miles on the other (I'm assuming earning is a given).

What makes you think it is a virtual merger?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:58 pm

I feel like I missing something. Wouldn't the AA/B6 benefit the NY and Bo's markets? How does it help out PHL?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:14 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
I feel like I missing something. Wouldn't the AA/B6 benefit the NY and Bo's markets? How does it help out PHL?


It doesn't. With the announcement of JFK-ATH/TLV they are basically creating an AA hub with B6 feed, which is replacing feed on AA metal via PHL or other AA hubs. There goes PHL-TLV out the window and doubtful you will see PHL-ATH again. I am sure the "genius" at AA will announce more int'l routes at JFK with B6 feed moving forward.

Lets be honest...it is a virtual merger. So you are going to tell me AA won't sell a B6/AA connection and list at the top of the AA reservation screen while pushing AA/AA connection via PHL at the bottom...? LOL. That and $0.50 will buy you a chocolate bar.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:16 pm

Philly65 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
I feel like I missing something. Wouldn't the AA/B6 benefit the NY and Bo's markets? How does it help out PHL?


It doesn't. With the announcement of JFK-ATH/TLV they are basically creating an AA hub with B6 feed, which is replacing feed on AA metal via PHL or other AA hubs. There goes PHL-TLV out the window and doubtful you will see PHL-ATH again. I am sure the "genius" at AA will announce more int'l routes at JFK with B6 feed moving forward.

Lets be honest...it is a virtual merger. So you are going to tell me AA won't sell a B6/AA connection and list at the top of the AA reservation screen while pushing AA/AA connection via PHL at the bottom...? LOL. That and $0.50 will buy you a chocolate bar.


It's not a virtual merger. If I'm not mistaken, both airlines will continue to compete in Florida, Los Angeles, and other routes unrelated to BOS/JFK/LGA/EWR.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:30 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Philly65 wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
I feel like I missing something. Wouldn't the AA/B6 benefit the NY and Bo's markets? How does it help out PHL?


It doesn't. With the announcement of JFK-ATH/TLV they are basically creating an AA hub with B6 feed, which is replacing feed on AA metal via PHL or other AA hubs. There goes PHL-TLV out the window and doubtful you will see PHL-ATH again. I am sure the "genius" at AA will announce more int'l routes at JFK with B6 feed moving forward.

Lets be honest...it is a virtual merger. So you are going to tell me AA won't sell a B6/AA connection and list at the top of the AA reservation screen while pushing AA/AA connection via PHL at the bottom...? LOL. That and $0.50 will buy you a chocolate bar.


It's not a virtual merger. If I'm not mistaken, both airlines will continue to compete in Florida, Los Angeles, and other routes unrelated to BOS/JFK/LGA/EWR.


Huh? Quite some overlap notably NYC.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:35 pm

Philly65 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Philly65 wrote:

It doesn't. With the announcement of JFK-ATH/TLV they are basically creating an AA hub with B6 feed, which is replacing feed on AA metal via PHL or other AA hubs. There goes PHL-TLV out the window and doubtful you will see PHL-ATH again. I am sure the "genius" at AA will announce more int'l routes at JFK with B6 feed moving forward.

Lets be honest...it is a virtual merger. So you are going to tell me AA won't sell a B6/AA connection and list at the top of the AA reservation screen while pushing AA/AA connection via PHL at the bottom...? LOL. That and $0.50 will buy you a chocolate bar.


It's not a virtual merger. If I'm not mistaken, both airlines will continue to compete in Florida, Los Angeles, and other routes unrelated to BOS/JFK/LGA/EWR.


Huh? Quite some overlap notably NYC.


If I’m not mistaken, that’s where the partnership will focus on, the greater New York City area along with Boston. This codeshare will only cover the Northeast, including BOS/JFK/LAX/EWR. They will not codeshare on routes such as LAX-AUS or FLL-ORD

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