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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:23 pm

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FWIW, quite a few aircraft are landing on 17. I presume due to the strong SSE wind. I just saw a UPS 763 on final approach to 17. It looks like a UPS 752 and AA 321 have also landed on 17 within the past few hours.

Also a couple of departures coming off 17 as well.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:08 pm

Is PHL - MCO F9’s largest route in terms of seats? (For their whole system)
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:58 pm

The HiFly A340 just turned its transponder on again. Seems like it's headed out, though I'm not sure where to.

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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 1:49 am

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gjrip wrote:
She just descended through the storm. Definitely headed to PHL!


Thanks for the updates. I would think this is one of the longest flights to land at PHL! Wonder if they will fly back to China in a couple of days for more supplies


Plan is for five round trips , todays arrival was over a day late, so unsure if HiFly flew more pilots in or allowing those that arrived this morning to sit for 24 hours.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 12:59 pm

It flew back to China...TAO (Qingdao)
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 3:39 pm

usairways85 wrote:
It flew back to China...TAO (Qingdao)


Turn n burn, looks like it's already left TAO headed back

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/9HJAI
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 02, 2020 2:00 pm

flyboy7974 wrote:
usairways85 wrote:
It flew back to China...TAO (Qingdao)


Turn n burn, looks like it's already left TAO headed back

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/9HJAI


Looks like they stopped in YUL (Montreal)
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 12:55 pm

The latest trip landed Monday morning at 7:45am
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 8:24 pm

Good to see PHL- BCN/EDI/LIS/LHR (#2) Loaded for next Spring... Now let’s hope they happen.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 8:47 pm

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The latest trip landed Monday morning at 7:45am


9H-SOL had the honors of that trip and just departed

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/9HSOL

Saw it when I landed coming back from CLT little bit ago, all white, no titles.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 2:53 pm

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Good to see PHL- BCN/EDI/LIS/LHR (#2) Loaded for next Spring... Now let’s hope they happen.


Curious do you know what aircrafts was listed? I know that can easily change from now to then.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 3:03 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Good to see PHL- BCN/EDI/LIS/LHR (#2) Loaded for next Spring... Now let’s hope they happen.


Curious do you know what aircrafts was listed? I know that can easily change from now to then.


A332
757
A332
A333
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 3:22 pm

First Tuesday under AA's new schedule. It was known that few departures would happen on Tuesday, per FlightRadar24, there will be 18 AA flights, 16 flights by other airlines (8 of which are Southwest), 40 UPS, and 1 FX. Only non-hub flights today for AA are ORH and ART.

Surprisingly, terminal F is still open today. I expected AA condense all ops to B-C as they look to peak around 120 departures M-W-Th-F-Su for the next 2 months, and even to just B or C on Tu-Sa.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 4:22 pm

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First Tuesday under AA's new schedule. It was known that few departures would happen on Tuesday, per FlightRadar24, there will be 18 AA flights, 16 flights by other airlines (8 of which are Southwest), 40 UPS, and 1 FX. Only non-hub flights today for AA are ORH and ART.

Surprisingly, terminal F is still open today. I expected AA condense all ops to B-C as they look to peak around 120 departures M-W-Th-F-Su for the next 2 months, and even to just B or C on Tu-Sa.


Unfortunately, different labor groups so operations cannot be consolidated, mainline employees handle A/B/C while Piedmont handle airside in F.

Last Saturday saw only 11 mainline AA flights, few Eagle. ART is EAS so must maintain minimal levels of service and I’m not positive about ORH, but I think there was a revenue guarantee for that flight.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 6:45 pm

lowfareair wrote:
. Only non-hub flights today for AA are ORH and ART.


I know ART is an EAS city but is ORH? Or just contractually obligated to run from the Massport subsidy?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 6:49 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Good to see PHL- BCN/EDI/LIS/LHR (#2) Loaded for next Spring... Now let’s hope they happen.


Curious do you know what aircrafts was listed? I know that can easily change from now to then.


A332
757
A332
A333

So that tells me AA has a script that runs that loads the schedule 331 days in advance. Still fingers crossed.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 6:59 pm

flyboy7974 wrote:
lowfareair wrote:
First Tuesday under AA's new schedule. It was known that few departures would happen on Tuesday, per FlightRadar24, there will be 18 AA flights, 16 flights by other airlines (8 of which are Southwest), 40 UPS, and 1 FX. Only non-hub flights today for AA are ORH and ART.

Surprisingly, terminal F is still open today. I expected AA condense all ops to B-C as they look to peak around 120 departures M-W-Th-F-Su for the next 2 months, and even to just B or C on Tu-Sa.


Unfortunately, different labor groups so operations cannot be consolidated, mainline employees handle A/B/C while Piedmont handle airside in F.

Last Saturday saw only 11 mainline AA flights, few Eagle. ART is EAS so must maintain minimal levels of service and I’m not positive about ORH, but I think there was a revenue guarantee for that flight.


Besides that issue, there's also the fact that gates B13-16, the A East ticketing lobby and baggage claim are not in the City/County of Philadelphia. A Security is split down the middle. The customer service desk next to B10 is literally sitting on the Philadelphia side of the county border line. It's a big cluster, but if you work in A one day, then C another, your wages are taxed differently due to being in 2 different counties.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 7:30 pm

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Besides that issue, there's also the fact that gates B13-16, the A East ticketing lobby and baggage claim are not in the City/County of Philadelphia. A Security is split down the middle. The customer service desk next to B10 is literally sitting on the Philadelphia side of the county border line. It's a big cluster, but if you work in A one day, then C another, your wages are taxed differently due to being in 2 different counties.


Is there a way for the city to own the whole airport? It just seems insane to me. Though Philly wage taxes suck
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 11:45 pm

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Besides that issue, there's also the fact that gates B13-16, the A East ticketing lobby and baggage claim are not in the City/County of Philadelphia. A Security is split down the middle. The customer service desk next to B10 is literally sitting on the Philadelphia side of the county border line. It's a big cluster, but if you work in A one day, then C another, your wages are taxed differently due to being in 2 different counties.


This changed earlier this year. Philadelphia and Tinicum reached an agreement. It’s all taxed the same now, the split depends on the employee’s bid location, it no longer changes day to day. If the employee is a Philadelphia resident, 100% goes to the city, regardless of bid or work location.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 4:23 am

toltommy wrote:
phllax wrote:
Besides that issue, there's also the fact that gates B13-16, the A East ticketing lobby and baggage claim are not in the City/County of Philadelphia. A Security is split down the middle. The customer service desk next to B10 is literally sitting on the Philadelphia side of the county border line. It's a big cluster, but if you work in A one day, then C another, your wages are taxed differently due to being in 2 different counties.


This changed earlier this year. Philadelphia and Tinicum reached an agreement. It’s all taxed the same now, the split depends on the employee’s bid location, it no longer changes day to day. If the employee is a Philadelphia resident, 100% goes to the city, regardless of bid or work location.


I did not know that. So do agents in A who live in Philadelphia get City wage tax, but those who live outside the City/County don't?

I remember hearing stories of gate agents who would bid or ask for assignments to gates/concourses depending on where they lived, and it would change sometimes daily.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 1:40 pm

AA A332s are in long term storage until 2022. Every aircraft the flew transatlantic for AA last year from PHL is now retired.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 2:24 pm

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AA A332s are in long term storage until 2022. Every aircraft the flew transatlantic for AA last year from PHL is now retired.


Yea I just heard. This is crazy but understood. Now it’ll be interesting with aircraft availability for next year what seasonal routes at least would come back if any. Hard to speculate now but interesting to think about
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 2:25 pm

If we could pull off 12 TATL routes next year I would be happy.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 2:47 pm

Future of PHL Thread got deleted so I’m putting my thoughts here:

Honestly don’t expect most secondary markets to return or be launched for several years.

Unless they can create a solution with the existing A321neos, routes like PHL-CMN/KEF/EDI/SNN likely won’t operate until the XLR arrives.

PHL to cities such as PRG, DBV, TXL, and other ex-A330/767 routes could be replaced by the 788, but is there demand for them? It may be better to funnel passengers through MAD/LHR, assuming those two will operate.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 5:03 pm

That is a massive disappointment that the A332 may never come back. I never got to try one. Fantastic looking bird in my opinion.

I completely understand why. PHL will most likely have LHR, MAD, MAN, DUB, AMS, ZRH as the main routes even then I question a couple of them. So that's 5-6 widebodies. I'm not sure how many 787 is going to be based in PHL.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 5:17 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Future of PHL Thread got deleted so I’m putting my thoughts here:

Honestly don’t expect most secondary markets to return or be launched for several years.

Unless they can create a solution with the existing A321neos, routes like PHL-CMN/KEF/EDI/SNN likely won’t operate until the XLR arrives.

PHL to cities such as PRG, DBV, TXL, and other ex-A330/767 routes could be replaced by the 788, but is there demand for them? It may be better to funnel passengers through MAD/LHR, assuming those two will operate.


Very sad but it most likely reality. Maybe they could pull off CMN 3x weekly with a 788. Many say booking were oddly strong. Are we thinking all routes except LHR will go to the 788/9 or some 772s will come on board too?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 5:28 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Future of PHL Thread got deleted so I’m putting my thoughts here:

Honestly don’t expect most secondary markets to return or be launched for several years.

Unless they can create a solution with the existing A321neos, routes like PHL-CMN/KEF/EDI/SNN likely won’t operate until the XLR arrives.

PHL to cities such as PRG, DBV, TXL, and other ex-A330/767 routes could be replaced by the 788, but is there demand for them? It may be better to funnel passengers through MAD/LHR, assuming those two will operate.


Very sad but it most likely reality. Maybe they could pull off CMN 3x weekly with a 788. Many say booking were oddly strong. Are we thinking all routes except LHR will go to the 788/9 or some 772s will come on board too?


Honestly wouldn’t be too surprised to see some PHL routes with the 772 but I don’t think they’ve started crew training yet. I was surprised to see CLT-MUC receive the 772 so some stronger PHL routes such as LHR and CDG could see the 772 eventually.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 5:33 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Future of PHL Thread got deleted so I’m putting my thoughts here:

Honestly don’t expect most secondary markets to return or be launched for several years.

Unless they can create a solution with the existing A321neos, routes like PHL-CMN/KEF/EDI/SNN likely won’t operate until the XLR arrives.

PHL to cities such as PRG, DBV, TXL, and other ex-A330/767 routes could be replaced by the 788, but is there demand for them? It may be better to funnel passengers through MAD/LHR, assuming those two will operate.


Very sad but it most likely reality. Maybe they could pull off CMN 3x weekly with a 788. Many say booking were oddly strong. Are we thinking all routes except LHR will go to the 788/9 or some 772s will come on board too?


CMN was when times was better. We have no idea how it's going to be in the future. Here is my take on the 772 at PHL. I don't think the 772 will come here because of cost and pilot training. If they used the reasoning of cost to put away the A332 I think it would be same for the 772. I could see by 2023 that PHL will only have the B788/789 and small small chance of the A332
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 5:33 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Future of PHL Thread got deleted so I’m putting my thoughts here:

Honestly don’t expect most secondary markets to return or be launched for several years.

Unless they can create a solution with the existing A321neos, routes like PHL-CMN/KEF/EDI/SNN likely won’t operate until the XLR arrives.

PHL to cities such as PRG, DBV, TXL, and other ex-A330/767 routes could be replaced by the 788, but is there demand for them? It may be better to funnel passengers through MAD/LHR, assuming those two will operate.


Very sad but it most likely reality. Maybe they could pull off CMN 3x weekly with a 788. Many say booking were oddly strong. Are we thinking all routes except LHR will go to the 788/9 or some 772s will come on board too?


Honestly wouldn’t be too surprised to see some PHL routes with the 772 but I don’t think they’ve started crew training yet. I was surprised to see CLT-MUC receive the 772 so some stronger PHL routes such as LHR and CDG could see the 772 eventually.


I totally agree with your confusion about CLT-MUC. The route had LF’s in the 30%s for sometime. I’m not so sure if it improved yet. Maybe we see the 772 to LHR, CDG, MAD?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 6:15 pm

phllax wrote:
toltommy wrote:
phllax wrote:
Besides that issue, there's also the fact that gates B13-16, the A East ticketing lobby and baggage claim are not in the City/County of Philadelphia. A Security is split down the middle. The customer service desk next to B10 is literally sitting on the Philadelphia side of the county border line. It's a big cluster, but if you work in A one day, then C another, your wages are taxed differently due to being in 2 different counties.


This changed earlier this year. Philadelphia and Tinicum reached an agreement. It’s all taxed the same now, the split depends on the employee’s bid location, it no longer changes day to day. If the employee is a Philadelphia resident, 100% goes to the city, regardless of bid or work location.


I did not know that. So do agents in A who live in Philadelphia get City wage tax, but those who live outside the City/County don't?

I remember hearing stories of gate agents who would bid or ask for assignments to gates/concourses depending on where they lived, and it would change sometimes daily.


If you are a city resident, you always pay the city wage tax no matter where you work or are based from.
If you live outside the city, you only pay the city wage tax if you work in or are based in the city.

The way TSA and Federal Agencies handle it, wages are taxed based on the bid location of the employee, not where they end up physically working on a particular day. AW and AE Terminals are in Tinicum, Delaware County and B-F are in Philadelphia. So, if you are a non-resident and bid AW/AE, you DO NOT pay the city tax. If you are a non-resident and bid B-F, you pay DO pay the tax.

If you are a city resident, it does not matter where you bid, you always pay the tax.

Being detailed to another work location for a few hours or days doesn't change the taxes since it goes by bid location. So, a non-resident employee who bids for AW/AE can be sent to say D/E for the day and won't be subject to the city tax for that time and vice-versa.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 10:27 pm

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Here is my take on the 772 at PHL. I don't think the 772 will come here because of cost and pilot training. If they used the reasoning of cost to put away the A332 I think it would be same for the 772. I could see by 2023 that PHL will only have the B788/789 and small small chance of the A332


The Company announced this morning to Employees that the 772 will in fact operate PHL-LHR this Summer.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 10:34 pm

PHLapproach wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Here is my take on the 772 at PHL. I don't think the 772 will come here because of cost and pilot training. If they used the reasoning of cost to put away the A332 I think it would be same for the 772. I could see by 2023 that PHL will only have the B788/789 and small small chance of the A332


The Company announced this morning to Employees that the 772 will in fact operate PHL-LHR this Summer.


Very good to hear! Did it sound like it was going to be a PHL-LHR exclusive or going to be expanded other routes such as MAD or FCO in the future?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 3:14 am

PHLapproach wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
Here is my take on the 772 at PHL. I don't think the 772 will come here because of cost and pilot training. If they used the reasoning of cost to put away the A332 I think it would be same for the 772. I could see by 2023 that PHL will only have the B788/789 and small small chance of the A332


The Company announced this morning to Employees that the 772 will in fact operate PHL-LHR this Summer.

Well nice. Happy to hear
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 11:39 am

So look like QR has removed entire summer schedule for PHL route and will resume in October

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-07may20/
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 12:37 pm

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So look like QR has removed entire summer schedule for PHL route and will resume in October

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-07may20/


Kinda not surprised. Summer '20 is going to be a straight wash for PHL.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 12:59 pm

aerace wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
So look like QR has removed entire summer schedule for PHL route and will resume in October

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-07may20/


Kinda not surprised. Summer '20 is going to be a straight wash for PHL.


Yea agreed about this summer being a wash.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 2:15 pm

Another BA 788 cargo flight inbound today. Also an AA 788 cargo flight flying PHL-ZRH tonight
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 3:42 pm

Just read this article in regards to the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) investigation with BA and AA for concerns on lack of competition on certain UK to US routes and PHL is one of them.

https://www.miragenews.com/cma-consults ... mmitments/
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 3:46 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
Just read this article in regards to the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) investigation with BA and AA for concerns on lack of competition on certain UK to US routes and PHL is one of them.

https://www.miragenews.com/cma-consults ... mmitments/


Who would compete on this? DY or VS?
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 3:54 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Just read this article in regards to the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) investigation with BA and AA for concerns on lack of competition on certain UK to US routes and PHL is one of them.

https://www.miragenews.com/cma-consults ... mmitments/


Who would compete on this? DY or VS?


In a perfect world in my opinion DY would be the best bet with a 321LR. Highly doubt VS has given PHL any thought especially after DL dropped the route which I'm sure didn't perform well.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 3:58 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Just read this article in regards to the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) investigation with BA and AA for concerns on lack of competition on certain UK to US routes and PHL is one of them.

https://www.miragenews.com/cma-consults ... mmitments/


Who would compete on this? DY or VS?

I doubt DY because they are in crisis mode even worse than VS. So slots are available if either decide worth it to serve PHL
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 4:00 pm

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In a perfect world in my opinion DY would be the best bet with a 321LR. Highly doubt VS has given PHL any thought especially after DL dropped the route which I'm sure didn't perform well.


DL didn't exactly have good fares on the route. Though I don't know if VS can match BA/AA. If DY, PHL-LGW?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 4:06 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Just read this article in regards to the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) investigation with BA and AA for concerns on lack of competition on certain UK to US routes and PHL is one of them.

https://www.miragenews.com/cma-consults ... mmitments/


Who would compete on this? DY or VS?

I doubt DY because they are in crisis mode even worse than VS. So slots are available if either decide worth it to serve PHL


Oh yea I'm aware of DY situation I was just saying if they weren't in this financial situation especially because of the covid then they'd be my best bet. It's good to know that PHL is under consideration for more competition.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 4:12 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
In a perfect world in my opinion DY would be the best bet with a 321LR. Highly doubt VS has given PHL any thought especially after DL dropped the route which I'm sure didn't perform well.


DL didn't exactly have good fares on the route. Though I don't know if VS can match BA/AA. If DY, PHL-LGW?


Oh DL fares were horrible especially flying on a 757 which I did on a PHL-CDG round trip few years ago. As for DY when they were talking about potential starting a PHL route it would be from LGW
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 4:13 pm

UK CMA report states BA/AA have to give up 1x daily slot pair for London-Philadelphia (non-stop) subject to Delta returning the daily slot pair to AA in lieu of recommencing non-stop services on the London-Philadelphia route (previous error by EU Commission)

Basically EU Commision should not have allowed grandfathering of slots for airlines and this is to be rectified this time around. Delta will have to launch the route from S21 or give up the slot if this is accepted by the CMA
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 5:11 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
UK CMA report states BA/AA have to give up 1x daily slot pair for London-Philadelphia (non-stop) subject to Delta returning the daily slot pair to AA in lieu of recommencing non-stop services on the London-Philadelphia route (previous error by EU Commission)

Basically EU Commision should not have allowed grandfathering of slots for airlines and this is to be rectified this time around. Delta will have to launch the route from S21 or give up the slot if this is accepted by the CMA


Wow didn't know the EU Commission messed up previously. Well it'll be interesting to see what DL does then if the proposed package is accepted.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 5:33 pm

If that's the case I think they give the slot back and no other airline takes it.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 6:04 pm

Found another article with a little bit more details than what I previously posted

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... -concerns/

Side note IMO I'm not sure why Boston is apart of this (granted the investigation started in 2018) as BA/DL/VS/DY and eventually AA/B6 have service to London.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 7:35 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
Found another article with a little bit more details than what I previously posted

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... -concerns/

Side note IMO I'm not sure why Boston is apart of this (granted the investigation started in 2018) as BA/DL/VS/DY and eventually AA/B6 have service to London.


Boston is included as predominately due to BA/AA having too much of the premium market share compared to DL/VS or DY
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 7:43 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
Found another article with a little bit more details than what I previously posted

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... -concerns/

Side note IMO I'm not sure why Boston is apart of this (granted the investigation started in 2018) as BA/DL/VS/DY and eventually AA/B6 have service to London.


Boston is included as predominately due to BA/AA having too much of the premium market share compared to DL/VS or DY


Thanks for the clarification on that. Makes sense
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