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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:03 pm

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In regards to the QR load factor from yesterday arrival I was expecting quite less than the approximately 130. Yes granted at full capacity the A359 holds up to 283 for QR but for its first time back after 5-6 months I consider the 130 good IMO. Correct me if I’m wrong

That was much higher than I was expecting too. That's positive news that we needed. It would be nice once BA starts service again too. Might fly them soon. Though again it's cheaper to fly from NYC sadly
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:29 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
In regards to the QR load factor from yesterday arrival I was expecting quite less than the approximately 130. Yes granted at full capacity the A359 holds up to 283 for QR but for its first time back after 5-6 months I consider the 130 good IMO. Correct me if I’m wrong

That was much higher than I was expecting too. That's positive news that we needed. It would be nice once BA starts service again too. Might fly them soon. Though again it's cheaper to fly from NYC sadly

Meanwhile the nonstops on Aerlingus are around $400 if you do a week. That’s what I’m eyeing up in the next two months. It’s cheaper or same as NYC area.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:57 am

So AA done did it this weekend. MAD and LHR are officially pushed to the end of March (start of spring season) so they will be operating zero nonstops during the winter. Thankfully we still have BA, LH, and EI for the lift. What's good is that this isn't just a Philly incidence, as CLT will have no resumptions and JFK/MIA/ORD will only have 1 flight to LHR. The demand for Mexico, Florida, Hawaii and the Caribbean I guess is far outpacing any wanting to go to Europe.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:00 pm

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So AA done did it this weekend. MAD and LHR are officially pushed to the end of March (start of spring season) so they will be operating zero nonstops during the winter. Thankfully we still have BA, AA, and EI for the lift. What's good is that this isn't just a Philly incidence, as CLT will have no resumptions and JFK/MIA/ORD will only have 1 flight to LHR. The demand for Mexico, Florida, Hawaii and the Caribbean I guess is far outpacing any wanting to go to Europe.


I think what’s interesting is how UA and DL are running a much more diverse TATL schedule this winter. Do you have any numbers on who is the largest and smallest?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:10 pm

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aerace wrote:
So AA done did it this weekend. MAD and LHR are officially pushed to the end of March (start of spring season) so they will be operating zero nonstops during the winter. Thankfully we still have BA, AA, and EI for the lift. What's good is that this isn't just a Philly incidence, as CLT will have no resumptions and JFK/MIA/ORD will only have 1 flight to LHR. The demand for Mexico, Florida, Hawaii and the Caribbean I guess is far outpacing any wanting to go to Europe.


I think what’s interesting is how UA and DL are running a much more diverse TATL schedule this winter. Do you have any numbers on who is the largest and smallest?


Right, I thought the same thing just on basic Google Flights searches out of EWR and JFK. I don't have numbers, but I can tell you that UA seems to be dominating, even running some secondary markets which seems nuts to me. DL out of JFK seems to be more inline with AA, relying on their SkyTeam pals with VS, AF, and AZ also running to Europe. And clearly I am just using the tristate area as an example.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:33 pm

aerace wrote:
So AA done did it this weekend. MAD and LHR are officially pushed to the end of March (start of spring season) so they will be operating zero nonstops during the winter. Thankfully we still have BA, LH, and EI for the lift. What's good is that this isn't just a Philly incidence, as CLT will have no resumptions and JFK/MIA/ORD will only have 1 flight to LHR. The demand for Mexico, Florida, Hawaii and the Caribbean I guess is far outpacing any wanting to go to Europe.


I guess at this point it makes sense to just start the European routes next year. No sense in rushing it if there’s barely demand. I read on another post that a LH FRA-MIA flight had only 10ppl on it. That’s just a sign demand is weak IMO. Overall at least the ban is lifted and BA, QR, LH and EI can pick up the slack like you mentioned.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:41 pm

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aerace wrote:
So AA done did it this weekend. MAD and LHR are officially pushed to the end of March (start of spring season) so they will be operating zero nonstops during the winter. Thankfully we still have BA, LH, and EI for the lift. What's good is that this isn't just a Philly incidence, as CLT will have no resumptions and JFK/MIA/ORD will only have 1 flight to LHR. The demand for Mexico, Florida, Hawaii and the Caribbean I guess is far outpacing any wanting to go to Europe.


I guess at this point it makes sense to just start the European routes next year. No sense in rushing it if there’s barely demand. I read on another post that a LH FRA-MIA flight had only 10ppl on it. That’s just a sign demand is weak IMO. Overall at least the ban is lifted and BA, QR, LH and EI can pick up the slack like you mentioned.


This isn’t much better but EWR-FRA has been operating with around 100 people a day (give or take) onboard. That’s with 2 airlines flying it daily too. So demand is sorta there if you look at the right spots.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:53 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
aerace wrote:
So AA done did it this weekend. MAD and LHR are officially pushed to the end of March (start of spring season) so they will be operating zero nonstops during the winter. Thankfully we still have BA, LH, and EI for the lift. What's good is that this isn't just a Philly incidence, as CLT will have no resumptions and JFK/MIA/ORD will only have 1 flight to LHR. The demand for Mexico, Florida, Hawaii and the Caribbean I guess is far outpacing any wanting to go to Europe.


I guess at this point it makes sense to just start the European routes next year. No sense in rushing it if there’s barely demand. I read on another post that a LH FRA-MIA flight had only 10ppl on it. That’s just a sign demand is weak IMO. Overall at least the ban is lifted and BA, QR, LH and EI can pick up the slack like you mentioned.


This isn’t much better but EWR-FRA has been operating with around 100 people a day (give or take) onboard. That’s with 2 airlines flying it daily too. So demand is sorta there if you look at the right spots.


Fair point and I guess just overall it’s going be awhile for any transatlantic service to get to where it was.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:18 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
aerace wrote:
So AA done did it this weekend. MAD and LHR are officially pushed to the end of March (start of spring season) so they will be operating zero nonstops during the winter. Thankfully we still have BA, LH, and EI for the lift. What's good is that this isn't just a Philly incidence, as CLT will have no resumptions and JFK/MIA/ORD will only have 1 flight to LHR. The demand for Mexico, Florida, Hawaii and the Caribbean I guess is far outpacing any wanting to go to Europe.


I guess at this point it makes sense to just start the European routes next year. No sense in rushing it if there’s barely demand. I read on another post that a LH FRA-MIA flight had only 10ppl on it. That’s just a sign demand is weak IMO. Overall at least the ban is lifted and BA, QR, LH and EI can pick up the slack like you mentioned.


This isn’t much better but EWR-FRA has been operating with around 100 people a day (give or take) onboard. That’s with 2 airlines flying it daily too. So demand is sorta there if you look at the right spots.

EWR-FRA is a Star hub-to-hub route, which consolidates a lot of the traffic, whereas FRA-MIA is not. Hence, I would say that MIA-FRA is more representative of actual demand at a given city than EWR-FRA is. I think BA/AA have probably decided that 1x daily PHL-LHR is sufficient for the demand from PHL/North-East connections to Europe.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:13 am

LH is closing PHL effective tomorrow, 10/1. There is a possibility that the station may reopen in December, but stakeholders were advised that the most likely scenario is reopening will coincide with the Summer 2021 schedule.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:27 am

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phljjs wrote:
LH is closing PHL effective tomorrow, 10/1. There is a possibility that the station may reopen in December, but stakeholders were advised that the most likely scenario is reopening will coincide with the Summer 2021 schedule.


Sad but it has to be done. Does it sound like it is a for sure suspension and not total cancellation?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:39 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
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phljjs wrote:
LH is closing PHL effective tomorrow, 10/1. There is a possibility that the station may reopen in December, but stakeholders were advised that the most likely scenario is reopening will coincide with the Summer 2021 schedule.


Sad but it has to be done. Does it sound like it is a for sure suspension and not total cancellation?


The communication definitely sounded like they plan to be back, but don't know when.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:54 am

phljjs wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
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phljjs wrote:
LH is closing PHL effective tomorrow, 10/1. There is a possibility that the station may reopen in December, but stakeholders were advised that the most likely scenario is reopening will coincide with the Summer 2021 schedule.


Sad but it has to be done. Does it sound like it is a for sure suspension and not total cancellation?


The communication definitely sounded like they plan to be back, but don't know when.


With AA running cargo on this route, I would be interested to see if they consider a shift from CLT back to PHL for summer, especially if LH delays in returning.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:07 am

phljjs wrote:
LH is closing PHL effective tomorrow, 10/1. There is a possibility that the station may reopen in December, but stakeholders were advised that the most likely scenario is reopening will coincide with the Summer 2021 schedule.


Sucks to hear but understandable move to make
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:34 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
phljjs wrote:
LH is closing PHL effective tomorrow, 10/1. There is a possibility that the station may reopen in December, but stakeholders were advised that the most likely scenario is reopening will coincide with the Summer 2021 schedule.


Sucks to hear but understandable move to make


With SAP providing a ton of corporate traffic on the route, they've lost a big share of passengers, especially the most profitable ones too
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:23 pm

EI has now pushed DUB to 12/15. Who knows where things will be by then since Dublin seems to be spiking as well.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:53 pm

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EI has now pushed DUB to 12/15. Who knows where things will be by then since Dublin seems to be spiking as well.


Thanks for the update on this. I also wouldn’t be surprised if it gets pushed to the Summer schedule in March 21
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:40 pm

https://thepointsguy.com/news/airlines- ... they-last/

The Points Guy Article just about airlines going in different directions with their route selections. PHL was mentioned and I see Nicknuzzii was interviewed on this as well. Good stuff
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:58 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/airlines-pandemic-routes-will-they-last/

The Points Guy Article just about airlines going in different directions with their route selections. PHL was mentioned and I see Nicknuzzii was interviewed on this as well. Good stuff

It will be interesting to see if JetBlue has more leisure adds coming for PHL and what AA is going to do for PHL
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:39 pm

On AAs website, it looks like starting on 11/5 AA will start mainline to EYE on a A319.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:53 pm

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On AAs website, it looks like starting on 11/5 AA will start mainline to EYE on a A319.


Is that EYW for Key West?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:06 pm

aerace wrote:
Zbogart757 wrote:
On AAs website, it looks like starting on 11/5 AA will start mainline to EYE on a A319.


Is that EYW for Key West?


Yup, the 1x daily PHL to Key West will be on the A319 this winter. It runs until April 5.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:18 pm

Ishrion wrote:
aerace wrote:
Zbogart757 wrote:
On AAs website, it looks like starting on 11/5 AA will start mainline to EYE on a A319.


Is that EYW for Key West?


Yup, the 1x daily PHL to Key West will be on the A319 this winter. It runs until April 5.


Just keep tossing capacity to Florida! How are fares looking? I went last December Sat-Tues and paid $500 thru MIA, which was easy. The nonstop was crazy pricey. Hopefully a bigger plan drops the fares a bit more.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:24 pm

aerace wrote:
Zbogart757 wrote:
On AAs website, it looks like starting on 11/5 AA will start mainline to EYE on a A319.


Is that EYW for Key West?

Yep Key West sorry about that, autocorrected to EYE
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:33 pm

Ishrion wrote:
aerace wrote:
Zbogart757 wrote:
On AAs website, it looks like starting on 11/5 AA will start mainline to EYE on a A319.


Is that EYW for Key West?


Yup, the 1x daily PHL to Key West will be on the A319 this winter. It runs until April 5.


Wow, it also looks like the weekends bordering Thanksgiving are going double-daily on A319 and E175.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:58 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/airlines-pandemic-routes-will-they-last/

The Points Guy Article just about airlines going in different directions with their route selections. PHL was mentioned and I see Nicknuzzii was interviewed on this as well. Good stuff

It will be interesting to see if JetBlue has more leisure adds coming for PHL and what AA is going to do for PHL


I’ve been thinking the same thing for both companies.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:08 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/airlines-pandemic-routes-will-they-last/

The Points Guy Article just about airlines going in different directions with their route selections. PHL was mentioned and I see Nicknuzzii was interviewed on this as well. Good stuff

It will be interesting to see if JetBlue has more leisure adds coming for PHL and what AA is going to do for PHL


Yes I thought it was a pretty neat article. Once things stabilize I could definitely see frequencies added to these routes but as for new routes, I’m not so sure.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:14 pm

AA keeps pushing back the resumption of BOS-LAX service, so a lot of that flow will come through PHL. That is happening to me on November 4; my booked BOS-LAX-BOS round trip has turned into a BOS-PHL-LAX-PHL-BOS journey.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:54 am

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AA keeps pushing back the resumption of BOS-LAX service, so a lot of that flow will come through PHL. That is happening to me on November 4; my booked BOS-LAX-BOS round trip has turned into a BOS-PHL-LAX-PHL-BOS journey.

I'm surprised its not pushed through JFK but I guess PHL is cheaper to push through and just as easy to connect unless that trip is one plane
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:18 am

PHLspecial wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:
AA keeps pushing back the resumption of BOS-LAX service, so a lot of that flow will come through PHL. That is happening to me on November 4; my booked BOS-LAX-BOS round trip has turned into a BOS-PHL-LAX-PHL-BOS journey.

I'm surprised its not pushed through JFK but I guess PHL is cheaper to push through and just as easy to connect unless that trip is one plane


It’s going to be 738s on the BOS-PHL-BOS legs and A321s PHL-LAX-PHL.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:12 pm

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PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/airlines-pandemic-routes-will-they-last/

The Points Guy Article just about airlines going in different directions with their route selections. PHL was mentioned and I see Nicknuzzii was interviewed on this as well. Good stuff

It will be interesting to see if JetBlue has more leisure adds coming for PHL and what AA is going to do for PHL


Yes I thought it was a pretty neat article. Once things stabilize I could definitely see frequencies added to these routes but as for new routes, I’m not so sure.

Good points. Happy for you being featured. Pretty cool got to say.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:23 am

AA is around 200 flights on peak days in November. Anyone know about F9, NK, DL, WN, etc?
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:58 am

According to Routesonline LH will resume service in December

Frankfurt – Philadelphia eff 02DEC20 Service resumption, reduce from 5-7 to 3 weekly, A330-300 operating (5 weekly from 01MAR21)

Obviously this could change but positive news overall
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:24 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
According to Routesonline LH will resume service in December

Frankfurt – Philadelphia eff 02DEC20 Service resumption, reduce from 5-7 to 3 weekly, A330-300 operating (5 weekly from 01MAR21)

Obviously this could change but positive news overall


Definitely. Looks like BA is going daily from Nov 1 too.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:39 pm

Bigant0408 wrote:
According to Routesonline LH will resume service in December

Frankfurt – Philadelphia eff 02DEC20 Service resumption, reduce from 5-7 to 3 weekly, A330-300 operating (5 weekly from 01MAR21)

Obviously this could change but positive news overall

It's positive news. Frankly great news. It's still nice that LH still has service to non SA hubs.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:29 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
According to Routesonline LH will resume service in December

Frankfurt – Philadelphia eff 02DEC20 Service resumption, reduce from 5-7 to 3 weekly, A330-300 operating (5 weekly from 01MAR21)

Obviously this could change but positive news overall

It's positive news. Frankly great news. It's still nice that LH still has service to non SA hubs.


I agree and seeing some of the other routes from that posting that were canceled for the winter season PHL is very fortunate to make the listing. I wonder if the SAP corporate contracts helped.
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:29 pm

aerace wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
According to Routesonline LH will resume service in December

Frankfurt – Philadelphia eff 02DEC20 Service resumption, reduce from 5-7 to 3 weekly, A330-300 operating (5 weekly from 01MAR21)

Obviously this could change but positive news overall


Definitely. Looks like BA is going daily from Nov 1 too.


Nice I wasn't aware of that
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:45 am

Bigant0408 wrote:
aerace wrote:
Bigant0408 wrote:
According to Routesonline LH will resume service in December

Frankfurt – Philadelphia eff 02DEC20 Service resumption, reduce from 5-7 to 3 weekly, A330-300 operating (5 weekly from 01MAR21)

Obviously this could change but positive news overall


Definitely. Looks like BA is going daily from Nov 1 too.


Nice I wasn't aware of that


Well spoke to soon. Schedule was updated to 3x weekly for November BUT it is on the new A350X which was supposed to commence in March but never did. So I guess that's a fair trade off.
 
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Re: Philadelphia Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:57 pm

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Bigant0408 wrote:
aerace wrote:

Definitely. Looks like BA is going daily from Nov 1 too.


Nice I wasn't aware of that


Well spoke to soon. Schedule was updated to 3x weekly for November BUT it is on the new A350X which was supposed to commence in March but never did. So I guess that's a fair trade off.


Yea just saw now. I guess at this point any international service to PHL is great news no matter the frequency. Hopefully the 350 sticks around as it’ll be great to see. I’m just curious on the current lOad factors
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