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Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:29 pm

Ok guys, I'm starting posting - feel free to correct me anytime:
Here is the first trip report about Uganda Airlines:

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1437263
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:29 am

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Ok guys, I'm starting posting - feel free to correct me anytime:
Here is the first trip report about Uganda Airlines:

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1437263

Great Trip report my friend!
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:07 pm

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eastafspot wrote:
Ok guys, I'm starting posting - feel free to correct me anytime:
Here is the first trip report about Uganda Airlines:

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1437263

Great Trip report my friend!

Cheers!

Please, tell me more about what happened yesterday in Lamu airport attack?
Is it related to US warning over a possible terror in the Kenyan Airpace, published 4 or 6 days ago?
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:01 am

What can you expect this year 2020 from East Africa:

Addis & Ethiopian: more routes to EU/Asia and more frequencies to SS Africa!
Nairobi & Kenya Airways:New CEO and consolidating its stronghold like West & Central Africa - Beijing the only future launch!
Entebbe & Uganda Airlines: Probably the most promising airline of the year! :smile: , Airport won't follow before mid 2021 sadly!
Kigali & RwandAir: NYC, A339 & B737MAX issues slowed down its expansion. More focussed on customer care (and regional network!
Dar Es Salaam & Air Tanzania: Mixed feelings, potential is definitely here, assets definitely here, will definitely here - but alas despite all of this, something refrains them from overcoming feeble KQ.

ATC is planning to start Kinshasa and Lubumbashi soon after Guangzhou.
Nairobi from June.


https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthre ... t165405782

Why can't Air Tanzania start flight to Kenya? Especially since the demise of Fastjet and limited Precision Air ops?

Otherwise for what it concerns aviataion in South Sudan, Burundi, Eritrea and Somalia, be sure you check this thread out very regularly as frequent important news will be posted on a weekly basis :smile:


By the way, Congrats to Ethiopian Airlines to become the 5th largest airline in the WORLD in terms of destinations served!
When will ET plan to unlock and discover their North African map?
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Re: East African Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:19 pm

:arrow: These two NBO JKIA airport upgrade simulations are worth what they are since no official news have been released so far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSd4-aq ... =emb_title
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poyqyl1 ... =emb_title

:arrow: Here are Kenya Airways' figures for the flaship JFK - NBO route:

Month | pax | seats | %
Jan | 9,526 | 10,530| 90%
Feb | 5,546 | 8,892 | 62%
Mar | 7,162 | 10,530| 68%
Apr | 6,485 | 10,530| 62%
May| 7,931 | 10,530| 93%
Jun | 9,769 | 14,040| 70%
Jul | 12,832 | 14,040|91 %
Aug | 12,699|14,040| 90%
Sep | 8,505 | 10,530| 81%

It will be great to learn about Kenya busiest/high season at end of November + December / January 2020.

Also, what went wrong in June? :scratchchin:
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:54 pm

:arrow: The other day, when looking at the timings of new service to MAA - India flight, I stumbled accross the fact that Ethiopian Airlines will launch Kisangani in DRC non stop on 737 before May. Their route network in DRC looks like this (without KP - Asky) which is quite impressive:

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But talking about facts, while Lubumbashi - DRC's 2nd largest city - gets more frequencies but via Lilongwe – Malawi, how come FKI (Kisangani) gets a non stop service in 737 instead of a Dash8 via anywhere in between? How is the runway state outhere?

1/ KINSHASA: 14,260,000 people
2/ LUBUMBASHI: The hub for plenty of mining companies; 2,086,000.
3/ MBUJI-MAYI: the capital of the Kasai-Oriental province with 1,800,000 people 
.....
6/ GOMA: Capital of the North Kivu province; 1,200,000 – at the border with Rwanda
7/ KISANGANI: Capital of the Tshopo province; 1,050,000

Obviously Bukavu in South Kivu, 5th largest city is well served by Bujumbura International airport (Burundi) with SN, KQ and Air Tanzania/ Uganda Airlines or cross border traffic via Kamembe (KME) with RwandAir....

Anyway, the country is well covered except north&south west, Has the Congolese government given up Congo Airways expansion plans so quickly? Too bad FlyDubai could not make profit to Dubai and beyond!

:arrow: Apparently, according to a post on social media Uganda Airlines to start flights to SA soon:
https://www.facebook.com/ugandairlines/ ... =3&theater
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:08 am

:arrow: A new gift - most welcome - from the Chinese Government after the visit of the Chinese Foreign Minister on the 13th of Jan 2020:

Bujumbura airport (Burundi) to be renovated soon:

"The government of Burundi has just received funding through a donation for the construction / rehabilitation of the runway and control tower at Melchior Ndadaye international airport. ”


https://www.iwacu-burundi.org/burundi-c ... -durables/
https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/zxxx_6 ... 1254.shtml


Any one who landed - took off to/from Bujumbura airport; can feel the extremely bumpy runway on the first 400ft, will really appreciate (or his/her back) this amazing news! :laughing:

More improvemnts are planned so far!
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:06 pm

Rwandair is apparently considering FRA for its next European destination. If the airline follows thru, it will be the second East African carrier with service to FRA aside from ET.

Article is in Dutch

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... -frankfurt
 
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Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:27 am

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Rwandair is apparently considering FRA for its next European destination. If the airline follows thru, it will be the second East African carrier with service to FRA aside from ET.

Article is in Dutch

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... -frankfurt


Best news of the day, thanks a ton trexel94 ! :smile:

It does make sense actually, since German people are the 2nd nationalities visiting Rwanda - Also the last Rwanda Day in 2019 (an event gathering fans and people from Rwanda or elsewhere) happened in Bonn - Germany!

But the most important question - aviation related is :
Will RwandAir fly the A330-2/3/N nonstop or via... XYZ?

If the latter, what are your bets on?

For me, Zurich or Geneva are obvious despite Rwanda signing a partnership with the French most capped football (soccer) team Paris Saint Germain - PSG becoming their latest business partner in 2020!!! :smile:
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Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:39 am

:arrow: Ethiopia set to construct new mega airport in Bishoftu - near Addis Abeba.

Given the completion of the new ultra large terminal at Bole International Airport last year has the confirmation by Tewolde GebreMariam, that the country will embark on the construction of an entirely new mega airport later this year.
.....
A two or – as has been suggested in the past up to four – runway mega airport, capable of handling up to 100 million passengers in the medium to long term, is expected to cost in excess of 5 billion US Dollars at current cost.


East Africa, thanks to Ethiopia, is moving forward – and I look forward to seeing the terminal completed before Uganda Airlines or Air Tanzania make profits...

https://atcnews.org/2020/01/15/ethiopia ... -bishoftu/
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Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:08 pm

Air Cote d'Ivoire reps were/are in Addis to forge further partnership with Ethiopian, or to perhaps enhance it to strengthen the Abidjan - New York JFK service that ET operates.

You may recall that after the ADD-ABJ-JFK service was started, Air Cote d'Ivoire changed its schedule to effectively make it impossible for its flight to connect to/from the JFK service (more for the inbound flight.) We have since seen ET scrap plans to operate additional flights to Washington via ABJ while the rest of ET's US expansion plans have been realized.

The talk now is that Air Cote d'Ivoire folks want this partnership to be strengthened, and want a service to Washington and [pending Canadian approvals] the flights to Montreal that ET plans to open.

I look forward to seeing how this pans out. Will ET and this airline make necessary adjustments to make things work, or will ET look at other options including consolidating New York service via Lome, and operating additional flights to Washington and new Montreal service also via Lome? Could Washington go via Accra if that Ghana-based airline it is working on materializes?
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:41 am

@Berari - Also keep in mind that Air Cote D'Ivoire is neither an IATA member nor a member of IATA Clearing House, which makes interline settlement with them very challenging to say the least. There is a reason that many airlines have chosen not to partner with them, or significantly reduced / broken off partnerships with them after short periods.
 
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:20 am

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@Berari - Also keep in mind that Air Cote D'Ivoire is neither an IATA member nor a member of IATA Clearing House, which makes interline settlement with them very challenging to say the least. There is a reason that many airlines have chosen not to partner with them, or significantly reduced / broken off partnerships with them after short periods.


Lacking seamless connectivity at ABJ, I can only imagine either strong O&D including Corporate traffic ex-ABJ, or some contractual obligations that are keeping ET flying via ABJ to JFK.

Considering the part ownership of the airline by the Air France-KLM group, I was surprised to see that it entered into agreement with ET, rather than endeavoring to open a route to North America on their own or through backing of AF/KL. Or even partnering with KQ instead of ET would have been ideal, you know, to keep it within the Skyteam family.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:15 am

Really great to see KLM is still using the 78X to NBO. Is this permanent? Initially it was a winter season change
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:34 am

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Really great to see KLM is still using the 78X to NBO. Is this permanent? Initially it was a winter season change


Permanent considering the B747s are all going.
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:05 pm

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Really great to see KLM is still using the 78X to NBO. Is this permanent? Initially it was a winter season change

Good you confirmed this glitch! Because on some of my bookings, it does show a 737 to AMS or CDG legs to NBO, yeah seriously to EU with a 737 from NBO... :rotfl:
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:35 pm

:arrow: KQ signs new codeshare deal with Italian airline Alitalia

To retired old Italian diaspora in Malindi or shall we say " who's going burst off first?" deal :lol:

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/cor ... index.html

:arrow: Will Air Tanzania last long without JNB / Jo'burg in its network?

:arrow: How Uganda Airlines is doing so far?
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:48 pm

eastafspot wrote:
nairobby wrote:
Really great to see KLM is still using the 78X to NBO. Is this permanent? Initially it was a winter season change

Good you confirmed this glitch! Because on some of my bookings, it does show a 737 to AMS or CDG legs to NBO, yeah seriously to EU with a 737 from NBO... :rotfl:


Lufthansa used to operate to NBO using a B737 operated by PrivatAir. KQ also operated to FCO using a B737 in one of the route's multiple incarnations. ET also operated MAD, and even Moscow with the B737. It's happened before. Atrocious but it happens.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:39 am

Did a quick transit RwandAir to Egyptair transit at Entebbe Airport - Uganda
First time to do so!
All went fine!
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Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:39 am

Looks like Kenyan has received more funding from government to service their E190.
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -govt-loan
 
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Looks like Kenyan has received more funding from government to service their E190.
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -govt-loan


Is Kenya Airways going down the same path that South African went?
 
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Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:34 am

Air Djibouti wants to take its place in the sky of the Horn of Africa

The company is gradually expanding its fleet, which currently includes two Embraer E145s, a Boeing 737-500 and an Airbus A320, recently acquired on leasing.
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Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:38 am

berari wrote:
mr02 wrote:
Looks like Kenyan has received more funding from government to service their E190.
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -govt-loan


Is Kenya Airways going down the same path that South African went?

I truly hope not, :worried:
Very good friends of my mine are still employed by KQ - but thier situation could be better though :cry2:

I really fear for thier future - honestly!
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Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:35 am

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Is Kenya Airways going down the same path that South African went?


I'd argue that they went down the SAA path a long time ago. The difference is that Kenya doesn't quite have the same institutional oversight to push back at it, and the broader fiscal situation has allowed the government to continue to fund the expedition.
 
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Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:38 am

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berari wrote:
Is Kenya Airways going down the same path that South African went?


I'd argue that they went down the SAA path a long time ago. The difference is that Kenya doesn't quite have the same institutional oversight to push back at it, and the broader fiscal situation has allowed the government to continue to fund the expedition.


What are the diffrence about KQ and SAA, now?.

But,

Many thanks for the honest reply!

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Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:40 am

Uganda is imposing 2 weeks of (self) quarantine on passengers from germany italy etc.

That must kill the EBB schedule for klm sn ek etc.
 
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Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:04 pm

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What are the diffrence about KQ and SAA, now?


Functionally nothing, just that the South African government has chosen to or been forced to stop supporting the vanity project. They're both massively corrupt and mismanaged, running massive losses and requiring consistent bailouts to keep flying.
 
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Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:14 pm

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Uganda is imposing 2 weeks of (self) quarantine on passengers from germany italy etc.

That must kill the EBB schedule for klm sn ek etc.

Really ?? even Germany?
Where did you get this news from? :shock:
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Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:32 pm

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eastafspot wrote:
What are the diffrence about KQ and SAA, now?


Functionally nothing, just that the South African government has chosen to or been forced to stop supporting the vanity project. They're both massively corrupt and mismanaged, running massive losses and requiring consistent bailouts to keep flying.


OK, but can South African G. let the airline go for good ? Who forced them to do so? No pride in keeping SAA afloat?

As for KQ, the huge debts would have an horrible impact on the economy, thus such slow time for decisions...
Star Alliance would gain a lot from KQ shutting down ops, also BA would increase sharply to twice or more daily there!
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Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:42 pm

:arrow: Apparently Air Tanzania will re-introduced the DHC Q 300...

The fokker 50 is/was a good idea for the nostalgic people (only on domestic route).. Has anyone flown it BTW?
When will their 737-200 or vintage A/C be back to the air then :lol:
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Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:28 am

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OK, but can South African G. let the airline go for good ? Who forced them to do so? No pride in keeping SAA afloat?


Absolutely they can let it go. There is plenty of foreign capacity in/out of South Africa and a general and liberal open skies policy. There is already healthy competition in the domestic market. Mango and SAA Technical would likely have buyers and continue. The latter being important since it does provide the build of maintenance capacity. There will be a short term increase in prices due to the loss of capacity though.

They forced themselves to do so by the broader fiscal climate which is terrible. They simply don't have the money and SAA is a low priority compared to financing Eskom which generates far more negative externalities.

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As for KQ, the huge debts would have an horrible impact on the economy, thus such slow time for decisions...
Star Alliance would gain a lot from KQ shutting down ops, also BA would increase sharply to twice or more daily there!


Kenya would suffer far more from a collapse of KQ than South Africa would from SA, but that is because of a much larger capital domestic capital deficit and protectionist skies.
 
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Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:33 am

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HaulSudson wrote:
Uganda is imposing 2 weeks of (self) quarantine on passengers from germany italy etc.

That must kill the EBB schedule for klm sn ek etc.

Really ?? even Germany?
Where did you get this news from? :shock:


Uganda ministry of health.
 
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Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:26 pm

RwandAir launches assault on KQ, ET, in battle for Africa’s skies:

Kigali has thrown down the gauntlet in its plan to expand its national carrier RwandAir across the continent, and challenge the dominance of regional leaders, Kenya Airways and Ethiopian Airlines.

With the airline signing as many as 101 Bilateral Aviation Safety Agreements (Basa), Kigali has laid the foundation on which the airline can plan to open up more routes without rigorous bureaucratic complications.

Competition for airspace in Africa is becoming tighter by the day with many airlines – some recently revived like the Ugandan and Tanzanian airlines – plying the same routes.


https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/busine ... index.html

I wonder what will be the (hopefully positive) impact of QR investments at short term?
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Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:28 pm

Is it true that Ethiopian government is planning to sell a minority stake in Ethiopian Airlines?

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... n-airlines

Guys, who do you think will be more likely to purchase a share in ET?
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Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:13 pm

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Is it true that Ethiopian government is planning to sell a minority stake in Ethiopian Airlines?

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... n-airlines

Guys, who do you think will be more likely to purchase a share in ET?


This has been talked about for a while since the Ethiopian government started to explore selling off assets that have historically been under its ownership, including Ethiopian Airlines and Ethiopian Telecom.

The details of the sales have not been clear, including whether or not it's components of ET that would be up for partial sale, or shares of the Ethiopian Airlines group itself.
 
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Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:39 pm

What do you expect to see as a result of this Coronavirus mayhem that has seen forward bookings tumble?

For Ethiopian I suspect:
- reduction in frequencies, especially where multiple daily flights exist such as DXB, CAN, TLV, JNB
- accelerated exist of B763 from the fleet with reduction in capacity
- freeze on growth plans: new routes to China were being talked about
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:14 am

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:arrow: Apparently Air Tanzania will re-introduced the DHC Q 300...

The fokker 50 is/was a good idea for the nostalgic people (only on domestic route).. Has anyone flown it BTW?
When will their 737-200 or vintage A/C be back to the air then :lol:


Flew on a Silverstone Fokker 50 in Jan 2019, will never get on one again
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:21 am

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Is it true that Ethiopian government is planning to sell a minority stake in Ethiopian Airlines?

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... n-airlines

Guys, who do you think will be more likely to purchase a share in ET?


I'm of the feeling that the Ethiopian govt will only sell a stake in ET as a last resort. They are currently planning to privatise banking and telecoms
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:00 am

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I'm of the feeling that the Ethiopian govt will only sell a stake in ET as a last resort. They are currently planning to privatise banking and telecoms


I agree. It's a strategic asset fort Ethiopia. But also, it would require them to open their books to a significant due diligence look and I'm not convinced they're willing to do that.
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:28 am

How has the Covid-19 desease impacted Ethiopian? I've not seen any frequency or capacity cuts.
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:04 am

A lot of suspended destinations due to Covid-19:

- Kenya Airways suspends GVA, I really thought FCO would be the first axed:
https://newsaero.info/airlines/coronavi ... ?true=2656

- RwandAir halts temporary Tel Aviv services, due Israeli authorities banning flights!:,
https://newsaero.info/airlines/coronavi ... ?true=2654
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:24 am

evanb wrote:
Kenya would suffer far more from a collapse of KQ than South Africa would from SA, but that is because of a much larger capital domestic capital deficit and protectionist skies.


Yes, no doubt about these facts.
Forget the size and density, both domestic markets are economically mature with many competitors (with other than air options).
Despite KQ having 2, 3 or 4 domestic routes, depending on the season, many international routes have been maintained when they were stuck between a rock and hard place 2 years ago, compared to SAA. But now getting less worse...

Do you think agreements, a partnership or an - unprobably alliance with some African airlines ( as stipulated a few months ago with KQ, WB or other) would help to recover this situation?



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eastafspot wrote:
Where did you get this news from? :shock:


Uganda ministry of health.


Thanks a ton for the official source! :)
If Uganda Airlines would already fly to EU/UK, a such news would have been probably delayed!
I'm wondering about the openning of the new Terminal at EBB... was here in early February and it looked so basic for infrastructures representing Ugandan great talents :(.


berari wrote:
This has been talked about for a while since the Ethiopian government started to explore selling off assets that have historically been under its ownership, including Ethiopian Airlines and Ethiopian Telecom.

The details of the sales have not been clear, including whether or not it's components of ET that would be up for partial sale, or shares of the Ethiopian Airlines group itself.


Yes indeed, you are very right, the question was more about about ET proxies in all over Africa!
What can happen to them? As such, ET deals with MRO to a few airlines on the continent but what if it is dealt with differently? By the Chinese or Indian companies i.e. (though i personnally have nothing against them – just a pure example)....


berari wrote:
What do you expect to see as a result of this Coronavirus mayhem that has seen forward bookings tumble? t


Is ET the only African carrier flying to mainland China as of now?
If yes, then a huge gamble where they might win as the virus is allegdly decreasing in RPC....

nairobby wrote:

Flew on a Silverstone Fokker 50 in Jan 2019, will never get on one again


The exact same thoughts after a flight from Wilson (WLS) to Malindi (MYD) in 2018. Initially we were happy to be rebooked on a later flight than Air Kenya one initially reserved! But Silverstone Air was late, flight was shaking too much and, our free transfer to hotel was gone after 1h10 waiting there so had to call a taxi at the quiet stand in Malindi. Eish!
Good riddance Silverstone Air, you won't be missed – seriously.... despite using F50 though!

mr02 wrote:
How has the Covid-19 desease impacted Ethiopian? I've not seen any frequency or capacity cuts.


IIRC, ET cuts frequencies to China, but unlike other (African) airlines so far, they keep flying there... to where and to which frequencies are the million dollars Q :)

I'm very curious also about this fact as ET going to almost every nations in Afric !
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Re: East African Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:52 am

eastafspot wrote:
A lot of suspended destinations due to Covid-19:

- Kenya Airways suspends GVA, I really thought FCO would be the first axed:
https://newsaero.info/airlines/coronavi ... ?true=2656

- RwandAir halts temporary Tel Aviv services, due Israeli authorities banning flights!:,
https://newsaero.info/airlines/coronavi ... ?true=2654

If you check the KQ booking system you'll see that GVA and FCO aew both suspended.All flights NBO-GVA-FCO-NBO are suspended -
 
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Re: East African Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:37 pm

eastafspot wrote:

Do you think agreements, a partnership or an - unprobably alliance with some African airlines ( as stipulated a few months ago with KQ, WB or other) would help to recover this situation?



KQ shocked the industry when Titus announced his desire to merge with Ethiopian a few years ago. ET smiled and shruged.

I think that any such opportunities that KQ had were either warded off by its controlling shareholders, or it wanted to maintain its own identity. I would have expected KQ to be the best candidate for a ME3 to buy, but here we are. I think RwandAir decided to go at it solo a while ago, and their recent acquisition by QR only supports that.

eastafspot wrote:

berari wrote:
This has been talked about for a while since the Ethiopian government started to explore selling off assets that have historically been under its ownership, including Ethiopian Airlines and Ethiopian Telecom.

The details of the sales have not been clear, including whether or not it's components of ET that would be up for partial sale, or shares of the Ethiopian Airlines group itself.


Yes indeed, you are very right, the question was more about about ET proxies in all over Africa!
What can happen to them? As such, ET deals with MRO to a few airlines on the continent but what if it is dealt with differently? By the Chinese or Indian companies i.e. (though i personnally have nothing against them – just a pure example)....




I think that ET has a number of units that could independently be [partially] sold off. The recent joint venture with DHL is such example for Ethiopian Logistics. You could see a part of Ethiopian MRO being sold to, for example, Lufthansa Technik, where the latter could develop a strong presence in Africa. Ethiopian Catering could partner up with a local hotel conglomerate, and maybe ground handling could be sold off. It's not necessarily the parent company, Ethiopian Group, being privatized, there are multiple options.



eastafspot wrote:


mr02 wrote:
How has the Covid-19 desease impacted Ethiopian? I've not seen any frequency or capacity cuts.


IIRC, ET cuts frequencies to China, but unlike other (African) airlines so far, they keep flying there... to where and to which frequencies are the million dollars Q :)

I'm very curious also about this fact as ET going to almost every nations in Afric !


Flights were cut to 3-5 flights per week to Chinese destinations. Chengdu may have gone down further. And the B788 is deployed where we have historically seen the A350.

It remains to be seen how ET's schedules will be altered post containment beyond China. I see:
- TLV going down to a single B788 next week instead of twice a day
- LHR going down to daily from 10x per week
- JNB going down to 2x daily instead of 3x
- MXP being canceled as of early next week
- FCO to be reduced to 5x per week
- MAD being canceled as of next week
- VIE to be reduced to 5x per week
- ARN being reduced to 4x per week
- JED being canceled as of next week
- RUH being canceled as of next week
- KWI being canceled as of today

I am sure there are more. I checked the big African and Indian destinations and don't see differences, yet.
 
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Re: East African Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:05 am

More cancelations I see for ET:
- NBO being reduced from 4x per day to 2x per day as of this weekend
- WDH canceled last week per directive from Namibian government
- OUA being canceled as of end of this week
- KRT canceled as of this week
- CAI canceled as of today as Egypt shuts down international travel
- MGQ canceled as of today

... there's more but I'm tired.

Something interesting. Flights outbound to China and Hong Kong next week are zero'd out. Either planes are full, or cancelations coming. Inbound still looks fine however.
 
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Re: East African Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:54 am

Heard that Rwandair is shutting down entirely for a month starting 20 March.
 
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Re: East African Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:06 am

AF022 wrote:
Heard that Rwandair is shutting down entirely for a month starting 20 March.


Many thanks AF022 for this thrustworthy news.

My friends in aviation got confirmation about what you posted 3 hours later.
Local media published this info only yesterday morning - when the last commercial service to BRU/LGW rtn was already gone.... :sarcastic:
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Re: East African Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:11 am

berari wrote:
Something interesting. Flights outbound to China and Hong Kong next week are zero'd out. Either planes are full, or cancelations coming. Inbound still looks fine however.


Has Ethiopia closed its borders to Chinese citizens/travellers?
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Re: East African Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:36 pm

berari wrote:
More cancelations I see for ET:

... there's more


City Effective Dates
ANGOLA – LUANDA 14 MAR – Until further notice
BAHRAIN – BAHRAIN 18 MAR – 04 APR
CHAD – NDJAMENA 19 MAR – 04 APR
CAMEROON – DOUALA/YAOUNDE 18 MAR – Until Further Notice
CONGO REPUBLIC – BRAZZAVILLE/POINTE NOIRE 19 MAR – Until Further Notice
CONGO DEM REP – KINSHASA/GOMA/LUBUMBASHI/KISANGANI 21 MAR – Until Further Notice
DJIBOUTI– DJIBOUTI 18 MAR – 31 MAR
EGYPT – CAIRO 19 MAR – 31 MAR
EQUATORIAL GUINEA – MALABO 16 MAR – 15 APR
FRANCE – MARSEILLE 17 MAR – 18 APR
GABON – LIBREVILLE 20 MAR – Until Further Notice
Geneva flight 16Mar20 to 30Apr20
INDIA – MUMBAI, DELHI, BENGALURU 22 MAR 2020 – 29 MAR 2020
INDONESIA – JAKARTA 19 MAR – 15 APR
IRELAND – DUBLIN 16 MAR – 18 JUN
ITALY – MILAN 16 MAR – 30 APR
KUWAIT – KUWAIT 13MAR – 31MAR
LEBANON – BEIRUT 18 MAR – 29 MAR
MADAGASCAR – ANTANANARIVO/NOSSI-BE 20 MAR – 15 APR
MALI – BAMAKO 19 MAR – Until Further Notice
NAMIBIA – WINDHOEK 16 MAR – 15 APR
NIGER – NIAMEY 18 MAR – 31 MAR
NIGERIA – KANO/PORT HARCOURT / ENUGU 22 MAR – Until Further Notice
PHILIPPINES – MANILA 19 MAR – 15 APR
QATAR– DOHA 18 MAR – 31 MAR
RWANDA – KIGALI 21 MAR – 20 APR
SAUDI ARABIA – JEDDAH/DAMMAM/MADINAH/RIYADH 15 MAR – 31 MAR
SENEGAL – DAKAR 21 MAR – Until Further Notice
SOMALIA – MOGADISHU 19 MAR – 04 APR
SPAIN – MADRID 16 MAR – 30 JUN
SUDAN – KHARTOUM 16 MAR – Until further notice
SWITZERLAND – GENEVA 19 MAR – Until Further Notice


For some destinations what is the point of a only 2 weeks suspension?
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