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LOT News Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:22 pm

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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:30 pm

For this 2020 LOT will place an order of Boeing 787-10 for its dense routes to YYZ, JFK, EWR, ORD, NRT and ICN
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:34 pm

Why haven’t they gone daily from EWR yet? Or even tried BUD? No one flies it currently but AA is having a field day with it down the road in PHL.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:47 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Why haven’t they gone daily from EWR yet? Or even tried BUD? No one flies it currently but AA is having a field day with it down the road in PHL.


Maybe they couldn't get good enough slots at EWR?
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:41 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
For this 2020 LOT will place an order of Boeing 787-10 for its dense routes to YYZ, JFK, EWR, ORD, NRT and ICN

Nope. No such order has been made nor has it been announced.

In other news: WAW-IAD is officially launched. Initially 3x a week, beginning 02 June 2020.
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:45 pm

The tres amigos over the Atlantic into Chicago Toronto and NYC. So in the 2019 thread I was corrected that it was 2 Air Belgium and 1 HiFly A340 flying for LOT, but it is another day with 3 Air Belgium’s. So did something change? I though the wet lease was for 2 Air Belgium’s, and the HiFly was short term, or is the addition Air Belgium because there was an issue with HiFly aircraft?

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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:00 pm

I read this rumor on another polish forum and yes I know this link is to pasazer.com. But in the article the author is writing that LOT is training crews for the 777.

LOT possibly to get 3 ex Singapore 777-200!!!! LOT right now is denying it, but If they really are training crews this is exciting!!! Doesn’t say If it’s both cabin and pilot crews or just cabin.

Update: so I do remember 787 and 777 have common rating right? So it wouldn’t be too difficult to get pilots into the 777 with low cost.
Also the 777 would stay for around 5 years.


https://www.pasazer.com/news/42999/do,f ... i,777.html
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:36 pm

Why on earth would they be adding 777s? Seems like they are becoming desperate or clueless, I don't like this new direction they are going in.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:42 pm

Blerg wrote:
Why on earth would they be adding 777s? Seems like they are becoming desperate or clueless, I don't like this new direction they are going in.


It seems they want to lower the costs of wet leasing 3 A340 as they are expensive to operate and fuel thirsty and with possible issues of RR continuing they need more aircraft to grow. Unfortunately they are desperate and everything that LOT wanted to be is not happening.
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:07 pm

Blerg wrote:
Why on earth would they be adding 777s? Seems like they are becoming desperate or clueless, I don't like this new direction they are going in.


Trip 7s could be useful for LOT on some of their heavy routes, especially with the 787s being such hangar queens atm. It is worth remembering the - for pilots at least - the 777 & 787 share a type rating.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:30 pm

SRQLOT wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Why on earth would they be adding 777s? Seems like they are becoming desperate or clueless, I don't like this new direction they are going in.


It seems they want to lower the costs of wet leasing 3 A340 as they are expensive to operate and fuel thirsty and with possible issues of RR continuing they need more aircraft to grow. Unfortunately they are desperate and everything that LOT wanted to be is not happening.


Surely the 777 is too big for that though? And shouldn’t the A340 leases be at least partially covered by compensation from RR?
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:35 pm

SRQLOT wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Why on earth would they be adding 777s? Seems like they are becoming desperate or clueless, I don't like this new direction they are going in.


It seems they want to lower the costs of wet leasing 3 A340 as they are expensive to operate and fuel thirsty and with possible issues of RR continuing they need more aircraft to grow. Unfortunately they are desperate and everything that LOT wanted to be is not happening.


Surely the 777 is too big for that though? And shouldn’t the A340 leases be at least partially covered by compensation from RR?
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:36 pm

tomgle wrote:
SRQLOT wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Why on earth would they be adding 777s? Seems like they are becoming desperate or clueless, I don't like this new direction they are going in.


It seems they want to lower the costs of wet leasing 3 A340 as they are expensive to operate and fuel thirsty and with possible issues of RR continuing they need more aircraft to grow. Unfortunately they are desperate and everything that LOT wanted to be is not happening.


Surely the 777 is too big for that though? And shouldn’t the A340 leases be at least partially covered by compensation from RR?


The SQ 777-200ER has 26 or 38 business seats and 245 or 228 economy seats, plus LOT might add a premium in there to fit with the fleet. So right in there seat wise. And who knows when RR will pay up or if it will be cash or discounts for future engines.
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:56 pm

Ok but what's their long term plan then? How long would the leases be for these 777s? Short term or long term? If they are long term then does it make sense for them to operate both the 777 and the 789? On top of already having 788. Add to that a bit of everything on the short-haul side and you get quite a mix which can't be cheap to service and maintain.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:41 pm

Blerg wrote:
Ok but what's their long term plan then? How long would the leases be for these 777s? Short term or long term? If they are long term then does it make sense for them to operate both the 777 and the 789? On top of already having 788. Add to that a bit of everything on the short-haul side and you get quite a mix which can't be cheap to service and maintain.


The aviation portal that is "source" of this information has zero credibility. Most of its commentators/journalists are former LOT employees from times when the company was run into the ground and now fortunately they have no more ties with LOT, thus no direct info/own credible leaks.

This particular info came from an aviation forum, where from time to time also some LOT employees are active, sharing various gossips, mostly but not always true.

LOT officially denied that it currently trains its crew to any other long-haul type than 787 and I don't think they intended to be so tricky as to use the fact that 777 and 787 are the same type. So this does not seem to be a true gossip.

As you rightly mentioned, also the logical reasoning speaks very much against it.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:33 pm

artflyer wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Ok but what's their long term plan then? How long would the leases be for these 777s? Short term or long term? If they are long term then does it make sense for them to operate both the 777 and the 789? On top of already having 788. Add to that a bit of everything on the short-haul side and you get quite a mix which can't be cheap to service and maintain.


The aviation portal that is "source" of this information has zero credibility. Most of its commentators/journalists are former LOT employees from times when the company was run into the ground and now fortunately they have no more ties with LOT, thus no direct info/own credible leaks.

This particular info came from an aviation forum, where from time to time also some LOT employees are active, sharing various gossips, mostly but not always true.

LOT officially denied that it currently trains its crew to any other long-haul type than 787 and I don't think they intended to be so tricky as to use the fact that 777 and 787 are the same type. So this does not seem to be a true gossip.

As you rightly mentioned, also the logical reasoning speaks very much against it.


I really hope it's not true as LO has come a long way in recent times.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:37 pm

Blerg wrote:
Ok but what's their long term plan then? How long would the leases be for these 777s? Short term or long term? If they are long term then does it make sense for them to operate both the 777 and the 789? On top of already having 788. Add to that a bit of everything on the short-haul side and you get quite a mix which can't be cheap to service and maintain.


In the initial post I wrote 5 years for the lease, but who knows. As for having a big mix of aircraft, the CEO of LOT stated recently that it is a benefit due to issues with the 737Max. Take it for what it is, I guess he is not concerned about having such a diverse fleet, even if at one point it was a goal to go to cut down on the diversity.
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:44 pm

Blerg wrote:
artflyer wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Ok but what's their long term plan then? How long would the leases be for these 777s? Short term or long term? If they are long term then does it make sense for them to operate both the 777 and the 789? On top of already having 788. Add to that a bit of everything on the short-haul side and you get quite a mix which can't be cheap to service and maintain.


The aviation portal that is "source" of this information has zero credibility. Most of its commentators/journalists are former LOT employees from times when the company was run into the ground and now fortunately they have no more ties with LOT, thus no direct info/own credible leaks.

This particular info came from an aviation forum, where from time to time also some LOT employees are active, sharing various gossips, mostly but not always true.

LOT officially denied that it currently trains its crew to any other long-haul type than 787 and I don't think they intended to be so tricky as to use the fact that 777 and 787 are the same type. So this does not seem to be a true gossip.

As you rightly mentioned, also the logical reasoning speaks very much against it.


I really hope it's not true as LO has come a long way in recent times.



Do remember that LOT likes to deny everything each time a story comes out until it actually happens. And I do try not put in gossip in here, but LOT is having fleet issues and if they can get a great deal they have been going for it. Their original plan has been to have 20 long distance aircraft in 2020, and with 2 more 787s this year it will bring it to 17. Now we know they are thinking of getting the next batch from Airbus, and it may be a good number of years before they arrive so in the meantime they can't continue to wet lease aircraft.
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:25 pm

SRQLOT wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Ok but what's their long term plan then? How long would the leases be for these 777s? Short term or long term? If they are long term then does it make sense for them to operate both the 777 and the 789? On top of already having 788. Add to that a bit of everything on the short-haul side and you get quite a mix which can't be cheap to service and maintain.


In the initial post I wrote 5 years for the lease, but who knows. As for having a big mix of aircraft, the CEO of LOT stated recently that it is a benefit due to issues with the 737Max. Take it for what it is, I guess he is not concerned about having such a diverse fleet, even if at one point it was a goal to go to cut down on the diversity.


If you trim out the damp/wet/moist/ACMI leased frames (and exclude the ERJs as they're stored), you actually end up with:

Q400
E170/175/190/195
737-3/4/5/800/MAX-8
787-8/9

Really not a very diverse fleet as it stands!
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:08 pm

I could see an order of 4 or 5 78X in the future for LO as routes mature and they need an higher capacity aircraft
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:37 pm

An update to the 777 story.

They are being returned to leasing Boeing Capital Corporation. LOT could start receiving them in June for 3 year leases.

Could this be part of Boeing assistance package for the 737Max groundings??? And in a way keeping LOT away from Airbus???

https://www.rynek-lotniczy.pl/mobile/lo ... -7587.html
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:07 pm

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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:14 pm

Wow so they are really getting them!? I think they will look pretty impressive in LO's livery though. Can anyone guess the cabin layout? Will they maybe move some 788s to BUD?
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:23 pm

Blerg wrote:
Wow so they are really getting them!? I think they will look pretty impressive in LO's livery though. Can anyone guess the cabin layout? Will they maybe move some 788s to BUD?



Well it kinda looks that way, I’m wrong often but it kinda makes sense no? Being is worried that they might lose a future order for maybe another 20 or so 787s and more future 737Maxs so they give LOT a lifeline to keep them happy.

Yes aren’t 2 788s supposed to be based at BUD? I know short haul flights from BUD now are delayed to May or so.
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:25 pm

SRQLOT wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Wow so they are really getting them!? I think they will look pretty impressive in LO's livery though. Can anyone guess the cabin layout? Will they maybe move some 788s to BUD?



Well it kinda looks that way, I’m wrong often but it kinda makes sense no? Being is worried that they might lose a future order for maybe another 20 or so 787s and more future 737Maxs so they give LOT a lifeline to keep them happy. If they will stay with LOT for 3 years and the inside hasn’t been updated I would imagine LOT would do some updates and bring in a Premium Eco to match the 787 fleet.

Yes aren’t 2 788s supposed to be based at BUD? I know short haul flights from BUD now are delayed to May or so.
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:32 pm

Interesting development with the 777 and the 3-year lease. Can we assume that maybe a 787-10 order will follow soon with delivery close to the end of this 3-year lease ?
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:42 pm

cityshuttle wrote:
Interesting development with the 777 and the 3-year lease. Can we assume that maybe a 787-10 order will follow soon with delivery close to the end of this 3-year lease ?


I read that the 787 lines are sold out for next 2-3 years, is that true? Then that would make sense for Boeing to provide a stopgap.
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:02 pm

Can they fit another three widebodies in WAW during their waves?
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:40 pm

pdp wrote:
If you trim out the damp/wet/moist/ACMI leased frames (and exclude the ERJs as they're stored), you actually end up with:

Q400
E170/175/190/195
737-3/4/5/800/MAX-8
787-8/9

Really not a very diverse fleet as it stands!


Correct, except for the 737 lineup. Currently it is just 737-400/800/MAX8.
The last two active 737-400 frames are leaving before the summer.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:42 am

Blerg wrote:
Can they fit another three widebodies in WAW during their waves?


Taking into account you use waves to fill WB (so they depart a bit later than waves of NB doing shorter turnaround) and then fly them to one-two locations daily, it's probably easier than fitting another NB. Remember LOT is also having a higher share of RJ to standard NB, than most of the fleets.

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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:53 am

gloom wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Can they fit another three widebodies in WAW during their waves?


Taking into account you use waves to fill WB (so they depart a bit later than waves of NB doing shorter turnaround) and then fly them to one-two locations daily, it's probably easier than fitting another NB. Remember LOT is also having a higher share of RJ to standard NB, than most of the fleets.

Cheers,
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Yes but these widebodies are using non-Schengen gates while I suppose most NB use Schengen ones.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:42 pm

SRQLOT wrote:
SRQLOT wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Wow so they are really getting them!? I think they will look pretty impressive in LO's livery though. Can anyone guess the cabin layout? Will they maybe move some 788s to BUD?



Well it kinda looks that way, I’m wrong often but it kinda makes sense no? Being is worried that they might lose a future order for maybe another 20 or so 787s and more future 737Maxs so they give LOT a lifeline to keep them happy. If they will stay with LOT for 3 years and the inside hasn’t been updated I would imagine LOT would do some updates and bring in a Premium Eco to match the 787 fleet.

Yes aren’t 2 788s supposed to be based at BUD? I know short haul flights from BUD now are delayed to May or so.


from 1 May there will be 2 788s based in BUD again as JFK increasing to 7 weekly and ICN to 4 weekly. There would be some days for one more return US flight.

As 737MAX ban is lifted, hope things gonna speed up for LOT.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:29 am

Is LOT speeding up the retirement of the 737-400s? I have a flight in early February that was supposed to be on one of them, but has now unfortunately been changed to an A320.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:35 pm

parrotta wrote:
from 1 May there will be 2 788s based in BUD again as JFK increasing to 7 weekly and ICN to 4 weekly. There would be some days for one more return US flight.


So, the B777 will be based in WAW and not BUD - correct? But why then is LO operating the WAW-Toronto route with AirBelgium A340-300 in summer 2020 - still not enough airframes? Given the lack of PremiumEco, any ideas which routes the B777 will be used for?
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:29 pm

pdp wrote:

If you trim out the damp/wet/moist/ACMI leased frames (and exclude the ERJs as they're stored), you actually end up with:

Q400
E170/175/190/195
737-3/4/5/800/MAX-8
787-8/9

Really not a very diverse fleet as it stands!


LOT doesn't have any -300 or -500s. The -300 is opb. Getjet LY-GGC, One -400 is also operated by Getjet LY-MGC.
Blue Air is operating for LOT 2 737-800 and 1 737-700.
LOTs Boeing fleet is 737-400/800 only (excluding MAX).

If you want to count these planes, then add A340s as well.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:57 am

dcaviation wrote:
pdp wrote:

If you trim out the damp/wet/moist/ACMI leased frames (and exclude the ERJs as they're stored), you actually end up with:

Q400
E170/175/190/195
737-3/4/5/800/MAX-8
787-8/9

Really not a very diverse fleet as it stands!


LOT doesn't have any -300 or -500s. The -300 is opb. Getjet LY-GGC, One -400 is also operated by Getjet LY-MGC.
Blue Air is operating for LOT 2 737-800 and 1 737-700.
LOTs Boeing fleet is 737-400/800 only (excluding MAX).

If you want to count these planes, then add A340s as well.


That's not accurate. At the moment LOT uses only A320s from Getjet (LY-ELK flying now). Additionally they leased one 737-700 (SP-LUA, ex Blue Air, still in its colors), but Blue Air is no longer flying for LOT.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:47 pm

Johner wrote:
dcaviation wrote:
pdp wrote:

If you trim out the damp/wet/moist/ACMI leased frames (and exclude the ERJs as they're stored), you actually end up with:

Q400
E170/175/190/195
737-3/4/5/800/MAX-8
787-8/9

Really not a very diverse fleet as it stands!


LOT doesn't have any -300 or -500s. The -300 is opb. Getjet LY-GGC, One -400 is also operated by Getjet LY-MGC.
Blue Air is operating for LOT 2 737-800 and 1 737-700.
LOTs Boeing fleet is 737-400/800 only (excluding MAX).

If you want to count these planes, then add A340s as well.


That's not accurate. At the moment LOT uses only A320s from Getjet (LY-ELK flying now). Additionally they leased one 737-700 (SP-LUA, ex Blue Air, still in its colors), but Blue Air is no longer flying for LOT.


What about the CRJs operated together with Nordica? They're used increasingly by LOT on their regional routes from Warsaw, so shouldn't they be included in the fleet? LOT do in their magazine...
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:11 pm

Warsaw airport served 18,86 million passengers in 2019, an increase of over 1 million compared to 2018. The top 5 scheduled destinations were London, Paris, Kiev, Frankfurt, Amsterdam. https://lotnisko-chopina.pl/pl/aktualno ... egoly.html (source in Polish)
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:54 pm

According to Polish press LOT is interested in buying Condor Airlines

https://www.money.pl/gospodarka/news-mo ... 9009a.html (source in Polish)
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:15 pm

Precisely, it's not LOT, but its shareholder PGL that holds shares also in a couple of other aviation businesses (MRO operations, handling etc.).
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:33 pm

tomgle wrote:
Warsaw airport served 18,86 million passengers in 2019, an increase of over 1 million compared to 2018. The top 5 scheduled destinations were London, Paris, Kiev, Frankfurt, Amsterdam. https://lotnisko-chopina.pl/pl/aktualno ... egoly.html (source in Polish)


London probably has the highest seat availability of any city too:

3/4x W6 A321 daily to LTN
3x LOT various daily to LHR
2x LOT E190 to LCY
2x BA A32X to LHR
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:47 pm

pdp wrote:
tomgle wrote:
Warsaw airport served 18,86 million passengers in 2019, an increase of over 1 million compared to 2018. The top 5 scheduled destinations were London, Paris, Kiev, Frankfurt, Amsterdam. https://lotnisko-chopina.pl/pl/aktualno ... egoly.html (source in Polish)


London probably has the highest seat availability of any city too:

3/4x W6 A321 daily to LTN
3x LOT various daily to LHR
2x LOT E190 to LCY
2x BA A32X to LHR

Yeah, if I remember correctly over 1 million people travelled to/from London, whereas the next highest city was around 500k-600k.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:49 pm

What would LO gain from buying Condor?

Starting from June 2020, LO will be increasing WAW-BEG from 11 to 12 weekly.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:25 pm

Blerg wrote:
What would LO gain from buying Condor?

Starting from June 2020, LO will be increasing WAW-BEG from 11 to 12 weekly.


I don't think much, other than the chance to save money on common fleet purchases. Condor needs to replace its 15 plane 767 fleet soon and given that LO will need to get another 10 or so WB in the coming years, I could imagine a larger purchase could get them some discounts.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:52 pm

I think LOT have retired the 734's, neither of them have flown in at least the last 7 days, according to FR24.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:14 pm

Does anyone know which seats in their 738s are missing the windows? Is the row 7 one of them?
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:54 pm

A321Lufthansa wrote:
Does anyone know which seats in their 738s are missing the windows? Is the row 7 one of them?

Seatguru doesn't have the info for LOT, but on Ryanair and KLM it seems to be missing/misaligned in rows 9 to 11, so 7 should probably be safe.
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:03 pm

tomgle wrote:
I think LOT have retired the 734's, neither of them have flown in at least the last 7 days, according to FR24.



Looks like they are gone.

Sad there was no announcements for last flight, but LOT is not sentimental to retirements like other airlines.
The 400 was in LOTs fleet for 27 years and as classics 28 years.


https://www.rynek-lotniczy.pl/mobile/lo ... -7690.html
LO LH CL BA AZ WN UA DL AA B6 NK G4 F9
717 733/7/8/9/M8 744 752/3 763 788 319/20/21 332/3 M90 RJ85 CR9 Q400 E7/95 (PA28,152)
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:09 pm

SRQLOT wrote:
tomgle wrote:
I think LOT have retired the 734's, neither of them have flown in at least the last 7 days, according to FR24.



Looks like they are gone.

Sad there was no announcements for last flight, but LOT is not sentimental to retirements like other airlines.
The 400 was in LOTs fleet for 27 years and as classics 28 years.


https://www.rynek-lotniczy.pl/mobile/lo ... -7690.html


According to Dutch news outlets the 3 -400's will be converted to freighters.

SP-LLE, SP-LLF and SP-LLG

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... tvliegtuig
 
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Re: LOT News Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:22 pm

IWMBH wrote:
SRQLOT wrote:
tomgle wrote:
I think LOT have retired the 734's, neither of them have flown in at least the last 7 days, according to FR24.



Looks like they are gone.

Sad there was no announcements for last flight, but LOT is not sentimental to retirements like other airlines.
The 400 was in LOTs fleet for 27 years and as classics 28 years.


https://www.rynek-lotniczy.pl/mobile/lo ... -7690.html


According to Dutch news outlets the 3 -400's will be converted to freighters.

SP-LLE, SP-LLF and SP-LLG

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... tvliegtuig



Very nice that they will continue on flying. Looks like last LOT flight was KRK-WAW. I know these were leased like 99% of the fleet but I wish LOT would set up a museum in a corner of WAW and save/keep some of the oldies. My favorite 737 classic will always be the 500.
LO LH CL BA AZ WN UA DL AA B6 NK G4 F9
717 733/7/8/9/M8 744 752/3 763 788 319/20/21 332/3 M90 RJ85 CR9 Q400 E7/95 (PA28,152)
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