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BoardingPass wrote:LOT Polish Airlines SA, the new company incorporated by Polish gov received its ICAO code HZR and callsign Huzar, probably will only be used temporarily until LOT Polish Airlines SA can get the callsign and ICAO code used currently by PLL LOT SA.
Blerg wrote:Starting from 24.08 LOT will be introducing a one weekly rotation between WRO and BUD.
LO 2535 WRO-BUD 13:30 - 14:45 (Monday)
LO 2536 BUD-WRO 15:35 - 16:50 (Monday)
To me this seems like a good schedule for transfer passengers. I wonder if this is LO's way of redirecting some traffic from non-WAW hubs to their BUD one. After all, flying to BUD is less backtracking than going all the way east to WAW?
https://airportal.hu/wroclaw-es-budapes ... tot-a-lot/
tomgle wrote:BoardingPass wrote:LOT Polish Airlines SA, the new company incorporated by Polish gov received its ICAO code HZR and callsign Huzar, probably will only be used temporarily until LOT Polish Airlines SA can get the callsign and ICAO code used currently by PLL LOT SA.
Huzar is a pretty cool call sign I have to say. Maybe not suited for LOT, but it’d be cool to see another Polish airline use it.
artflyer wrote:tomgle wrote:BoardingPass wrote:LOT Polish Airlines SA, the new company incorporated by Polish gov received its ICAO code HZR and callsign Huzar, probably will only be used temporarily until LOT Polish Airlines SA can get the callsign and ICAO code used currently by PLL LOT SA.
Huzar is a pretty cool call sign I have to say. Maybe not suited for LOT, but it’d be cool to see another Polish airline use it.
'Husar' would be a pretty cool call sign for a Polish airline. 'Husar' means in Polish member of a heavy cavalry of Polish type (with wings, what makes it great in the context of an airline). 'Husar' or 'husarz' and not 'huzar'. In English: 'Polish hussar' or 'winged hussar'.
In turn 'huzar' means in Polish member of a light cavalry of Hungerian type. It makes a great cali sign only if that new aoc were to be used for Hungerian operations as some people speculate.
LUKAS10 wrote:LOT launches a new WAW-DUB route on August 23, operated four times a week by B738.
LO299 WAW-DUB 1435-1635 1-3-5-7
LO300 DUB-WAW 1750-2150 1-3-5-7
Clydenairways wrote:LUKAS10 wrote:LOT launches a new WAW-DUB route on August 23, operated four times a week by B738.
LO299 WAW-DUB 1435-1635 1-3-5-7
LO300 DUB-WAW 1750-2150 1-3-5-7
Today's flight is operated by an E170, has that replaced the 737 on the route ?
tomgle wrote:Clydenairways wrote:LUKAS10 wrote:LOT launches a new WAW-DUB route on August 23, operated four times a week by B738.
LO299 WAW-DUB 1435-1635 1-3-5-7
LO300 DUB-WAW 1750-2150 1-3-5-7
Today's flight is operated by an E170, has that replaced the 737 on the route ?
According to FR24, the last 4 flights have been an E170 or E175. Ireland still has a fairly strict entry policy I believe so it wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't enough demand to fill up a 737.
lowwkjax wrote:tomgle wrote:Clydenairways wrote:
Today's flight is operated by an E170, has that replaced the 737 on the route ?
According to FR24, the last 4 flights have been an E170 or E175. Ireland still has a fairly strict entry policy I believe so it wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't enough demand to fill up a 737.
It’s not only a LOT-thing to use smaller aircraft these days, for example OS used to fly several rotations daily between VIE and MUC or ZRH, all on A32S, now MUC sees mostly Dash 8, ZRH a mix between Dash and E195, with an occasional A319.
LUKAS10 wrote:lowwkjax wrote:tomgle wrote:
According to FR24, the last 4 flights have been an E170 or E175. Ireland still has a fairly strict entry policy I believe so it wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't enough demand to fill up a 737.
It’s not only a LOT-thing to use smaller aircraft these days, for example OS used to fly several rotations daily between VIE and MUC or ZRH, all on A32S, now MUC sees mostly Dash 8, ZRH a mix between Dash and E195, with an occasional A319.
LOT has always been changing its equipment, especially now during the Covid-19 crisis. They simply don't need to send a larger plane to DUB because LFs are not so high. I flew DUS-WAW-PRG last week and both flights (despite being operated by two different aircraft typer) were barely 50 % occupied. Anyway, its important to mention that LOT service was really outstanding (in EU flights standards) and it's visible the airline has an ambition to mature and grow.
tomgle wrote:LUKAS10 wrote:lowwkjax wrote:
It’s not only a LOT-thing to use smaller aircraft these days, for example OS used to fly several rotations daily between VIE and MUC or ZRH, all on A32S, now MUC sees mostly Dash 8, ZRH a mix between Dash and E195, with an occasional A319.
LOT has always been changing its equipment, especially now during the Covid-19 crisis. They simply don't need to send a larger plane to DUB because LFs are not so high. I flew DUS-WAW-PRG last week and both flights (despite being operated by two different aircraft typer) were barely 50 % occupied. Anyway, its important to mention that LOT service was really outstanding (in EU flights standards) and it's visible the airline has an ambition to mature and grow.
Yeah I’ve flown them recently on WAW-AMS and was really impressed by the service. Pre covid, you got a sweet Apple roll, a chocolate bar, and a choice of juices, water, tea or coffee. Now you have a choice of sweet or savoury roll, chocolate bar, pretzels or nuts, and instead of drinks from a cart everyone gets a 0,5L bottle of water. I can’t help but feel they’re trying a bold strategy of increasing their costs (at least in terms of inflight service) during a crisis.
lyngbyvej wrote:Poland, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary to build a common airline with LOT owning more than 50% of shares. So far, looks more like a political project than an actual business idea.
holczakker wrote:lyngbyvej wrote:Poland, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary to build a common airline with LOT owning more than 50% of shares. So far, looks more like a political project than an actual business idea.
It comes up time and again and will never happen. LOT already have a dubious reputation in Hungary after the first few seasons of operation.
holczakker wrote:lyngbyvej wrote:Poland, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary to build a common airline with LOT owning more than 50% of shares. So far, looks more like a political project than an actual business idea.
It comes up time and again and will never happen. LOT already have a dubious reputation in Hungary after the first few seasons of operation.
Blerg wrote:Out of curiosity, what would The Czech Republic have to gain from this? Don't they have CSA/Travel-something that's filling the role of a local national airline?
LUKAS10 wrote:Blerg wrote:Out of curiosity, what would The Czech Republic have to gain from this? Don't they have CSA/Travel-something that's filling the role of a local national airline?
OK/QS is basically a slowly dying airline. They're absolutely irrelevant even to the Czech market. I feel like it doesn't even make sense for LO to build any kind of long haul hub in PRG (as stated in the Czech version of the article) because it could pretty much cannibalise their own WAW hub. Just like BUD doesn't make sense from a long term perspective. Regarding Slovakia,... well... why would they need their own operation?!
So this is just a political project without a proper financial planning and will fail before it ever starts; I believe in the Lot's growth but not in this way - rather in focusing on their WAW home base.
lyngbyvej wrote:Two updates for the non-Polish speakers:
- Poland, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary to build a common airline with LOT owning more than 50% of shares. So far, looks more like a political project than an actual business idea.
- LOT is considering launching Bangalore. Info mentioned during an opening of the Polish consulate over there. LOT doesn't confirm.
Blerg wrote:LUKAS10 wrote:Blerg wrote:Out of curiosity, what would The Czech Republic have to gain from this? Don't they have CSA/Travel-something that's filling the role of a local national airline?
OK/QS is basically a slowly dying airline. They're absolutely irrelevant even to the Czech market. I feel like it doesn't even make sense for LO to build any kind of long haul hub in PRG (as stated in the Czech version of the article) because it could pretty much cannibalise their own WAW hub. Just like BUD doesn't make sense from a long term perspective. Regarding Slovakia,... well... why would they need their own operation?!
So this is just a political project without a proper financial planning and will fail before it ever starts; I believe in the Lot's growth but not in this way - rather in focusing on their WAW home base.
OK I understand but why is QS a dying airline? I thought they were doing well?
LUKAS10 wrote:Blerg wrote:LUKAS10 wrote:
OK/QS is basically a slowly dying airline. They're absolutely irrelevant even to the Czech market. I feel like it doesn't even make sense for LO to build any kind of long haul hub in PRG (as stated in the Czech version of the article) because it could pretty much cannibalise their own WAW hub. Just like BUD doesn't make sense from a long term perspective. Regarding Slovakia,... well... why would they need their own operation?!
So this is just a political project without a proper financial planning and will fail before it ever starts; I believe in the Lot's growth but not in this way - rather in focusing on their WAW home base.
OK I understand but why is QS a dying airline? I thought they were doing well?
It is very uncertain. QS is the owner of OK. OK/QS was hardly hit by Covid-19 and has never really had a clear structure and plan. The company's owner and a good friend of CZ PM is currently begging government for money in order to finance a project with a zero trust even he's afraid to pour money in. That company is a complete mess and from my point of view deserves to die. The owner himself is not willing to support this company from his own pocket which makes general public feel very sceptic to it all. You simply cannot capitalise profits and socialise losses. Another issue is taxes - the company is based in the Netherlands and it still remains being unclear how much they contribute to the CZ tax and financial system.
So I don't say Visegrad version of LOT is a bad idea, I just believe it's not really worth it and WAW may loose way to many passengers over it.
Blerg wrote:I noticed that Delhi is mostly operated by the B789. Could good performance at DEL have anything to do with them being overly optimistic about Bengaluru?
artflyer wrote:Blerg wrote:I noticed that Delhi is mostly operated by the B789. Could good performance at DEL have anything to do with them being overly optimistic about Bengaluru?
LO is still not allowed under Polish law to take pax on board of its India flights, so I am not sure we can talk about good performance here. These are pure cargo flights, although with a very decent utilisation: for example on 27 September LO broke a world B789 cargo record with 46 tonnes of cargo on DEL-WAW route. By the way the former record was also with LO, although on a different route.
Bengaluru was planned already before Covid and LO has to do something with its wb fleet, so why not go ahead.
Blerg wrote:artflyer wrote:Blerg wrote:I noticed that Delhi is mostly operated by the B789. Could good performance at DEL have anything to do with them being overly optimistic about Bengaluru?
LO is still not allowed under Polish law to take pax on board of its India flights, so I am not sure we can talk about good performance here. These are pure cargo flights, although with a very decent utilisation: for example on 27 September LO broke a world B789 cargo record with 46 tonnes of cargo on DEL-WAW route. By the way the former record was also with LO, although on a different route.
Bengaluru was planned already before Covid and LO has to do something with its wb fleet, so why not go ahead.
I didn't know about passengers being banned but seems like there is good performance we can talk about, it's just cargo related one.
artflyer wrote:Blerg wrote:artflyer wrote:
LO is still not allowed under Polish law to take pax on board of its India flights, so I am not sure we can talk about good performance here. These are pure cargo flights, although with a very decent utilisation: for example on 27 September LO broke a world B789 cargo record with 46 tonnes of cargo on DEL-WAW route. By the way the former record was also with LO, although on a different route.
Bengaluru was planned already before Covid and LO has to do something with its wb fleet, so why not go ahead.
I didn't know about passengers being banned but seems like there is good performance we can talk about, it's just cargo related one.
The same legal ban applies to all flights to US which are also all cargo since many months.
On India route most of the LO's cargo is pharma and since LO now holds the IATA CEIV Pharma Certificate, I am pretty sure they also get very decent remuneration. So you my be right.
SRQLOT wrote:artflyer wrote:Blerg wrote:
I didn't know about passengers being banned but seems like there is good performance we can talk about, it's just cargo related one.
The same legal ban applies to all flights to US which are also all cargo since many months.
On India route most of the LO's cargo is pharma and since LO now holds the IATA CEIV Pharma Certificate, I am pretty sure they also get very decent remuneration. So you my be right.
Most of the flights to USA and Canada have had passengers for months. I had family and friends flying back and forth most of the summer on LO.
The KRK to ORD flight is being suspended because there are not enough passengers, although 4 flights around Christmas will go, and then hopefully the flight will return in Summer 21. And to think at one point that route was going to be flown 12 weekly!
artflyer wrote:SRQLOT wrote:artflyer wrote:
The same legal ban applies to all flights to US which are also all cargo since many months.
On India route most of the LO's cargo is pharma and since LO now holds the IATA CEIV Pharma Certificate, I am pretty sure they also get very decent remuneration. So you my be right.
Most of the flights to USA and Canada have had passengers for months. I had family and friends flying back and forth most of the summer on LO.
The KRK to ORD flight is being suspended because there are not enough passengers, although 4 flights around Christmas will go, and then hopefully the flight will return in Summer 21. And to think at one point that route was going to be flown 12 weekly!
Canada flights had no restrictions (at least no Polish ones). The same US flights outbound from Poland (although I don't know if LO was selling tickets for those flights), but are you sure about direct flights from US to Poland during summer?
Blerg wrote:But I thought the only ban that's in place is the one for transfer passengers in a Schengen area airport.... which includes WAW.
artflyer wrote:Blerg wrote:I noticed that Delhi is mostly operated by the B789. Could good performance at DEL have anything to do with them being overly optimistic about Bengaluru?
LO is still not allowed under Polish law to take pax on board of its India flights, so I am not sure we can talk about good performance here. These are pure cargo flights, although with a very decent utilisation: for example on 27 September LO broke a world B789 cargo record with 46 tonnes of cargo on DEL-WAW route. By the way the former record was also with LO, although on a different route.
Bengaluru was planned already before Covid and LO has to do something with its wb fleet, so why not go ahead.
sand26391 wrote:artflyer wrote:Blerg wrote:I noticed that Delhi is mostly operated by the B789. Could good performance at DEL have anything to do with them being overly optimistic about Bengaluru?
LO is still not allowed under Polish law to take pax on board of its India flights, so I am not sure we can talk about good performance here. These are pure cargo flights, although with a very decent utilisation: for example on 27 September LO broke a world B789 cargo record with 46 tonnes of cargo on DEL-WAW route. By the way the former record was also with LO, although on a different route.
Bengaluru was planned already before Covid and LO has to do something with its wb fleet, so why not go ahead.
I hope they do start WAW-BLR in Winter 2021 or Summer 2022. Hopefully by then there will be "some" normalcy in travel. I remember LOT wanted to fly to BOM/BLR/CCU from WAW as DEL was doing well, but BLR was or is a big surprise as they dont fly to BOM yet. Fingers crossed and hope for the best