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Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:29 pm

Welcome to the Indian Aviation Thread for January 2020. Please continue to post your updates and to add your comments here.

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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:31 pm

The Business Standard newspaper is reporting that the Hindujas are preparing to submit a bid on Jet by the Jan 15th deadline
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:13 am

Happy New Year everyone.
Let's hope this year becomes a good one for Indian aviation industry with 1 Indian carrier set to fly long haul.
The best preparation for tomorrow is doing your best today
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:33 am

Air India's international revenues up 20% thanks to 9W closure:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 063278.cms
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:43 am

US warns air carriers to avoid Pakistan airspace, cites threat by militants

The US commercial and state carriers are "advised to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the territory and airspace of Pakistan due to extremist or militant activities" in the country.

Source : https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/u ... 2020-01-02
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:45 am

binayak wrote:
Happy New Year everyone.
Let's hope this year becomes a good one for Indian aviation industry with 1 Indian carrier set to fly long haul.


The last year was already good; December #'s showed 10% growth. The momentum will continue forward.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:13 am

AI passengers threaten to open cockpit doors on DEL-BOM flight

https://m.timesofindia.com/business/ind ... 098458.cms
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:05 pm

^^ There's a couple of videos doing the rounds on twitter. These jokers should be put on a no fly list pronto.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:21 pm

sibibom wrote:
US warns air carriers to avoid Pakistan airspace, cites threat by militants

The US commercial and state carriers are "advised to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the territory and airspace of Pakistan due to extremist or militant activities" in the country.

Source : https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/u ... 2020-01-02


UGH how will this affect DL’s JFK-BOM and UA’s EWR-BOM?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:26 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:
sibibom wrote:
US warns air carriers to avoid Pakistan airspace, cites threat by militants

The US commercial and state carriers are "advised to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the territory and airspace of Pakistan due to extremist or militant activities" in the country.

Source : https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/u ... 2020-01-02


UGH how will this affect DL’s JFK-BOM and UA’s EWR-BOM?


DL24 is crossing right through Pakistan now.. seems no impact

https://www.flightradar24.com/DAL24/236a7ae4
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:40 pm

After starting BLR last year, Ethiopian Airlines adds MAA-ADD. 3x weekly Dreamliner starting April 3rd, feeding into ADD's morning departure bank.

http://www.ethiopianairlines.com

Nice to see intl expansion in the south too, between NRT and ADD for both MAA and BLR.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:19 pm

CPS001 wrote:
After starting BLR last year, Ethiopian Airlines adds MAA-ADD. 3x weekly Dreamliner starting April 3rd, feeding into ADD's morning departure bank.

http://www.ethiopianairlines.com

Nice to see intl expansion in the south too, between NRT and ADD for both MAA and BLR.


I didn’t know the South had much contact with Africa. But good for these cities and good for ET. I saw the BLR flight one month ago and was surprised.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 5:25 pm

Can anyone tell me how is Vistara's financial condition?. According to a news portal in Bangladesh,Biman is expected to add 4 more 787 which was destined for an Indian carrier but they failed to make the payment.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:52 am

B7378E9 wrote:
Can anyone tell me how is Vistara's financial condition?. According to a news portal in Bangladesh,Biman is expected to add 4 more 787 which was destined for an Indian carrier but they failed to make the payment.


Any links to this source??
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:20 am

unnayan wrote:
B7378E9 wrote:
Can anyone tell me how is Vistara's financial condition?. According to a news portal in Bangladesh,Biman is expected to add 4 more 787 which was destined for an Indian carrier but they failed to make the payment.


Any links to this source??

https://tbsnews.net/economy/biman-plans ... w-aircraft
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:49 am

B7378E9 wrote:
unnayan wrote:
B7378E9 wrote:
Can anyone tell me how is Vistara's financial condition?. According to a news portal in Bangladesh,Biman is expected to add 4 more 787 which was destined for an Indian carrier but they failed to make the payment.


Any links to this source??

https://tbsnews.net/economy/biman-plans ... w-aircraft


That is pretty big. I wonder what caused the change of plans. Tata and SIA have been pumping a lot of money, so financial problems are probably not the issue. That would be very sad if they return the planes now. Time will tell.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:10 am

B7378E9 wrote:
Can anyone tell me how is Vistara's financial condition?. According to a news portal in Bangladesh,Biman is expected to add 4 more 787 which was destined for an Indian carrier but they failed to make the payment.


I had suggested, back in November 2019, that UKs deal to pick up the Hainan birds may have fallen through... It is quite possible that this article is referring to those four Hainan birds which will not be sold to Vistara.

vtord wrote:
trinidadeg wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
What's still puzzling to me is that while there are three 787s ready to be delivered by Boeing, Vistara is only taking them in Feb/March, which, by the way, is per their original delivery schedule. Which is kind of bizarre since they advanced the plane buid-up schedule and took Hainan Airlines production slots instead of waiting for theirs to come up.

Maybe the deal for the Hainan NTUs fell through and its back to their original schedule now?

4 frames have been back in PAE in full UK colors for about a month now so that can't possibly be it.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:45 am

trinidadeG wrote:

I had suggested, back in November 2019, that UKs deal to pick up the Hainan birds may have fallen through... It is quite possible that this article is referring to those four Hainan birds which will not be sold to Vistara.


Your intuition is the only logical conclusion. So, thanks for the heads up, which regrettably I missed.

It also explains why UK failed to pick up the aircraft despite the aircraft being ready. I had previously questioned the financial logic of UK keeping the 4 planes on the ground when there is a huge capital financial cost of grounding. I hadn't anticipated that UK had no money to pay for early delivery.

Separately, UK's original delivery schedule is for Feb 2020. Are they on track for that or will they be short of funds, for that delivery as well?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:00 pm

B7378E9 wrote:
Can anyone tell me how is Vistara's financial condition?. According to a news portal in Bangladesh,Biman is expected to add 4 more 787 which was destined for an Indian carrier but they failed to make the payment.


But the article says : The plan to purchase new four Dreamliners came after an Indian airline company failed to make its payment to Boeing company against the aircraft it had earlier ordered for itself.

The 4 aircrafts being referred to of Vistara, were not ordered by them. They were Hainan ordered birds ntu (not taken up), and passed on to Vistara. And I doubt Boeing would transfer them to a new customer (read Vistara) until payments were cleared. This just could be a different perspective. Unless they are, like other users here say, Hainan ordered but ntu, then passed to Vistara but again ntu, and then to third customer finally being Biman.

Also, 9W had 10 789's ordered, which were later transferred to "Boeing Capital" when 9W ceased ops. So not cancelled orders as such. So another theory/possibility here of it being from the 9W order book, just like there were theories of BA(IAG) getting a chunk of 9W 737MAX orders at an attractive price and earlier delivery slots that were slated for 9W.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:04 pm

All things 787 is still showing 4 Vistara frames in Production Testing stage. One must admit that for an airline that is usually very vocal on social media, Vistara SM has been incredibly silent about this. Haven't even see the 787 pilot/crew recruitment ad in a while.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:05 pm

According to @SeanM1997 on Twitter, Air India have obtained an additional 3x weekly slots at London Heathrow - meaning the Mumbai route will go from 7 to 10x weekly flights from 14 February 2020

Air India - London flights:
- 14x weekly Heathrow - Delhi
- 10x weekly Heathrow - Mumbai
- 4x weekly Heathrow - Ahmedabad
- 3x weekly Heathrow - Bengaluru
- 3x weekly Stansted - Amritsar
- 3x weekly Stansted - Mumbai

One has to wonder why Air India aren't at Manchester with this level of UK expansion
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:22 pm

https://www.hindustantimes.com/mumbai-n ... uKNDN.html

AI is adding 3/wk BOM - LHR from Feb 14 in addition to BOM - STN which commences on Feb 20
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:49 pm

EalingFeeling wrote:
According to @SeanM1997 on Twitter, Air India have obtained an additional 3x weekly slots at London Heathrow - meaning the Mumbai route will go from 7 to 10x weekly flights from 14 February 2020

Air India - London flights:
- 14x weekly Heathrow - Delhi
- 10x weekly Heathrow - Mumbai
- 4x weekly Heathrow - Ahmedabad
- 3x weekly Heathrow - Bengaluru
- 3x weekly Stansted - Amritsar
- 3x weekly Stansted - Mumbai

One has to wonder why Air India aren't at Manchester with this level of UK expansion


Wow, how did they manage that? Seems still there are some competent people in the company
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:17 pm

High net worth non aviation company is the 2nd company to submit an EOI for Jet, as the never ending Jet saga continues

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehin ... 7.ece/amp/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:25 pm

Minister demands that airlines serve honey as a substitute for sugar on INdian flights

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livemi ... 44103.html
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:30 pm

VTORD wrote:
All things 787 is still showing 4 Vistara frames in Production Testing stage. One must admit that for an airline that is usually very vocal on social media, Vistara SM has been incredibly silent about this. Haven't even see the 787 pilot/crew recruitment ad in a while.

Are these the same 4 that were “originally” destined for Hainan?
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:32 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:
CPS001 wrote:
After starting BLR last year, Ethiopian Airlines adds MAA-ADD. 3x weekly Dreamliner starting April 3rd, feeding into ADD's morning departure bank.

http://www.ethiopianairlines.com

Nice to see intl expansion in the south too, between NRT and ADD for both MAA and BLR.


I didn’t know the South had much contact with Africa. But good for these cities and good for ET. I saw the BLR flight one month ago and was surprised.

Maybe they are targeting N. American to MAA. TheIr Bangalore flight shows up on search engines for New York to BLR routing (and with attractive fares).
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:26 pm

edealinfo wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
CPS001 wrote:
After starting BLR last year, Ethiopian Airlines adds MAA-ADD. 3x weekly Dreamliner starting April 3rd, feeding into ADD's morning departure bank.

http://www.ethiopianairlines.com

Nice to see intl expansion in the south too, between NRT and ADD for both MAA and BLR.


I didn’t know the South had much contact with Africa. But good for these cities and good for ET. I saw the BLR flight one month ago and was surprised.

Maybe they are targeting N. American to MAA. TheIr Bangalore flight shows up on search engines for New York to BLR routing (and with attractive fares).


This is my guess also and Ethiopian generally has a good rep in the US.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:38 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:
sibibom wrote:
US warns air carriers to avoid Pakistan airspace, cites threat by militants

The US commercial and state carriers are "advised to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the territory and airspace of Pakistan due to extremist or militant activities" in the country.

Source : https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/u ... 2020-01-02


UGH how will this affect DL’s JFK-BOM and UA’s EWR-BOM?


So far this has not affected anything. Flights continue as usual on all US carrier flights to India - EWR-DEL, EWR-BOM, JFK-BOM, SFO-DEL, all of which fly over Pakistan.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:40 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Are these the same 4 that were “originally” destined for Hainan?

Yes. ZB806-809.

This was discussed in the Jet shutdown thread but posting here as well. Vistara has started returning leased 737s. Not surprising though they will likely have the 737s in fleet until about 2023 per this article. Also note it mentions 2 787 deliveries in the first quarter.
https://livefromalounge.boardingarea.co ... leet-2020/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:49 pm

unnayan wrote:
EalingFeeling wrote:
According to @SeanM1997 on Twitter, Air India have obtained an additional 3x weekly slots at London Heathrow - meaning the Mumbai route will go from 7 to 10x weekly flights from 14 February 2020

Air India - London flights:
- 14x weekly Heathrow - Delhi
- 10x weekly Heathrow - Mumbai
- 4x weekly Heathrow - Ahmedabad
- 3x weekly Heathrow - Bengaluru
- 3x weekly Stansted - Amritsar
- 3x weekly Stansted - Mumbai

One has to wonder why Air India aren't at Manchester with this level of UK expansion


Wow, how did they manage that? Seems still there are some competent people in the company

Yes, can someone shed light into how AI got additional slots. There were reports that Vistara, Indigo and Spice (not AI) requested for multiple slots and got none whereas AI got some without formally applying for them.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:12 pm

COEWR787 wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
sibibom wrote:
US warns air carriers to avoid Pakistan airspace, cites threat by militants

The US commercial and state carriers are "advised to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the territory and airspace of Pakistan due to extremist or militant activities" in the country.

Source : https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/u ... 2020-01-02


UGH how will this affect DL’s JFK-BOM and UA’s EWR-BOM?


So far this has not affected anything. Flights continue as usual on all US carrier flights to India - EWR-DEL, EWR-BOM, JFK-BOM, SFO-DEL, all of which fly over Pakistan.


So, I guess this means that Pakistan is a more responsible country than Iran, at least in the eyes of the US
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:15 pm

VTORD wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Are these the same 4 that were “originally” destined for Hainan?

Yes. ZB806-809.

This was discussed in the Jet shutdown thread but posting here as well. Vistara has started returning leased 737s. Not surprising though they will likely have the 737s in fleet until about 2023 per this article. Also note it mentions 2 787 deliveries in the first quarter.
https://livefromalounge.boardingarea.co ... leet-2020/

I thought Vistara’s 737s were taken on 2 to 4 year leases. If they are returning them early wouldn’t they be subject to severe penalties?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:07 pm

edealinfo wrote:
COEWR787 wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:

UGH how will this affect DL’s JFK-BOM and UA’s EWR-BOM?


So far this has not affected anything. Flights continue as usual on all US carrier flights to India - EWR-DEL, EWR-BOM, JFK-BOM, SFO-DEL, all of which fly over Pakistan.


So, I guess this means that Pakistan is a more responsible country than Iran, at least in the eyes of the US


The original NOTAM mainly was targeted towards aircraft on ground and at low altitude to start with. It was relatively low key and was not mentioned in any newspaper anywhere else in the world. AFAIK, similar rules apply to US aircraft overflying Afghanistan too. It is hard to believe that the situation is any different there from that in Pakistan Northwest.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:34 pm

Air India are to increase its London Heathrow to Mumbai route from 7 to 10 weekly flights from 14 February 2020

LHR 1330-0400+1 BOM (daily)
LHR 1625-0650+1 BOM (Wed & Fri)
LHR 1630-0650+1 BOM (Tue)

BOM 0700-1130 LHR (daily)
BOM 1030-1500 LHR (Wed)
BOM 1030-1505 LHR (Tue & Fri)
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:38 pm

killswitch13 wrote:
Air India are to increase its London Heathrow to Mumbai route from 7 to 10 weekly flights from 14 February 2020

LHR 1330-0400+1 BOM (daily)
LHR 1625-0650+1 BOM (Wed & Fri)
LHR 1630-0650+1 BOM (Tue)

BOM 0700-1130 LHR (daily)
BOM 1030-1500 LHR (Wed)
BOM 1030-1505 LHR (Tue & Fri)


This looks to be copied from @SeanM1997 on Twitter without you referencing it. If someone does the work, its only right you give the credit:

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/12 ... 46016?s=19
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:55 pm

EalingFeeling wrote:
killswitch13 wrote:
Air India are to increase its London Heathrow to Mumbai route from 7 to 10 weekly flights from 14 February 2020

LHR 1330-0400+1 BOM (daily)
LHR 1625-0650+1 BOM (Wed & Fri)
LHR 1630-0650+1 BOM (Tue)

BOM 0700-1130 LHR (daily)
BOM 1030-1500 LHR (Wed)
BOM 1030-1505 LHR (Tue & Fri)


This looks to be copied from @SeanM1997 on Twitter without you referencing it. If someone does the work, its only right you give the credit:

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/12 ... 46016?s=19


No one has clarified as to where the slots have come from
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:41 am

killswitch13 wrote:
Air India are to increase its London Heathrow to Mumbai route from 7 to 10 weekly flights from 14 February 2020

LHR 1330-0400+1 BOM (daily)
LHR 1625-0650+1 BOM (Wed & Fri)
LHR 1630-0650+1 BOM (Tue)

BOM 0700-1130 LHR (daily)
BOM 1030-1500 LHR (Wed)
BOM 1030-1505 LHR (Tue & Fri)


So assume AI will use a 787 on the new flight. Can AI really turn a 787 in 1 hour and 25 min? Also these times match the BOM-STN flights and the days compliment the STN flight. So AI will be double daily to LON from BOM every day but SUN. So net net Jet’s 3X BOM-LHR flights have basically been replaced (smaller planes but close and a little less frequency) by VS, BA and AI’s new flights.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:35 am

CaliguyNYC wrote:
killswitch13 wrote:
Air India are to increase its London Heathrow to Mumbai route from 7 to 10 weekly flights from 14 February 2020

LHR 1330-0400+1 BOM (daily)
LHR 1625-0650+1 BOM (Wed & Fri)
LHR 1630-0650+1 BOM (Tue)

BOM 0700-1130 LHR (daily)
BOM 1030-1500 LHR (Wed)
BOM 1030-1505 LHR (Tue & Fri)


So assume AI will use a 787 on the new flight. Can AI really turn a 787 in 1 hour and 25 min? Also these times match the BOM-STN flights and the days compliment the STN flight. So AI will be double daily to LON from BOM every day but SUN. So net net Jet’s 3X BOM-LHR flights have basically been replaced (smaller planes but close and a little less frequency) by VS, BA and AI’s new flights.


Off course they don't care about OTP.. :lol: a LHR slot is gold dust..
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:58 pm

Vistara to get 2 versions of 787-9 aircraft, one for medium haul and one for long haul. Does it make sense to get 2 versions?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofi ... 175515.cms
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:03 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Vistara to get 2 versions of 787-9 aircraft, one for medium haul and one for long haul. Does it make sense to get 2 versions?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofi ... 175515.cms


for the 787,, Vistara has 6 aircraft as a firm order and an additional 4 are options.


Reading the article in the link again, it appears that 6 aircraft of the “firm” Order will be of one type, and 4 of the orders that are “options” would be of another type.

I thought Boeing only made 1 version of the 787-9. I guess I was wrong. Just how many versions of the 787-9 does Boeing offer?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:36 pm

edealinfo wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Vistara to get 2 versions of 787-9 aircraft, one for medium haul and one for long haul. Does it make sense to get 2 versions?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofi ... 175515.cms


for the 787,, Vistara has 6 aircraft as a firm order and an additional 4 are options.


Reading the article in the link again, it appears that 6 aircraft of the “firm” Order will be of one type, and 4 of the orders that are “options” would be of another type.

I thought Boeing only made 1 version of the 787-9. I guess I was wrong. Just how many versions of the 787-9 does Boeing offer?


Maybe I read the article wrong. I think they are using the A321 for medium haul (6 hours) and then dream liners for longer. I think they need seat back tvs In the A321. I also think Vistara should install small lie flat J seat cabin in their A321. I fly AA's and DL's lie flat narrow body product. It is totally good for short flights. The US style first class seat for 5/6 hours is noncompetitive IMHO.

Btw I think Vistara needs to hustle. Looks like foreign airlines and AI are filing in Jet's lost capacity on routes you can actually make money. See LHR-BOM/DEL. I think VIstara needs to figure out how to get rights for BOM/DEL-HKG. I know there are problems in HKG now, but you can't be an Indian business airline and not fly that route (along with SIN, DXB and LHR).
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:11 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Vistara to get 2 versions of 787-9 aircraft, one for medium haul and one for long haul. Does it make sense to get 2 versions?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofi ... 175515.cms


for the 787,, Vistara has 6 aircraft as a firm order and an additional 4 are options.


Reading the article in the link again, it appears that 6 aircraft of the “firm” Order will be of one type, and 4 of the orders that are “options” would be of another type.

I thought Boeing only made 1 version of the 787-9. I guess I was wrong. Just how many versions of the 787-9 does Boeing offer?


Maybe I read the article wrong. I think they are using the A321 for medium haul (6 hours) and then dream liners for longer. I think they need seat back tvs In the A321. I also think Vistara should install small lie flat J seat cabin in their A321. I fly AA's and DL's lie flat narrow body product. It is totally good for short flights. The US style first class seat for 5/6 hours is noncompetitive IMHO.

Btw I think Vistara needs to hustle. Looks like foreign airlines and AI are filing in Jet's lost capacity on routes you can actually make money. See LHR-BOM/DEL. I think VIstara needs to figure out how to get rights for BOM/DEL-HKG. I know there are problems in HKG now, but you can't be an Indian business airline and not fly that route (along with SIN, DXB and LHR).


Why do you think Indians have a relatively large presence in Hong Kong? In what sectors do they participate?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:16 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Vistara to get 2 versions of 787-9 aircraft, one for medium haul and one for long haul. Does it make sense to get 2 versions?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofi ... 175515.cms


for the 787,, Vistara has 6 aircraft as a firm order and an additional 4 are options.


Reading the article in the link again, it appears that 6 aircraft of the “firm” Order will be of one type, and 4 of the orders that are “options” would be of another type.

I thought Boeing only made 1 version of the 787-9. I guess I was wrong. Just how many versions of the 787-9 does Boeing offer?


Maybe I read the article wrong. I think they are using the A321 for medium haul (6 hours) and then dream liners for longer. I think they need seat back tvs In the A321. I also think Vistara should install small lie flat J seat cabin in their A321. I fly AA's and DL's lie flat narrow body product. It is totally good for short flights. The US style first class seat for 5/6 hours is noncompetitive IMHO.

Btw I think Vistara needs to hustle. Looks like foreign airlines and AI are filing in Jet's lost capacity on routes you can actually make money. See LHR-BOM/DEL. I think VIstara needs to figure out how to get rights for BOM/DEL-HKG. I know there are problems in HKG now, but you can't be an Indian business airline and not fly that route (along with SIN, DXB and LHR).


Indigo closed down its CCU to HKG route. But, I am unclear if that would go back to the Government for reallocation. Also SpiceJets BOM to HKG flight has Ben spotty. I am unclear if it has been commercially viable for them.

Indigo says it’s BLR to HKG route has been performing well for which the only other competitor on this route is Cathay Dragon, whose planes on the route look kind of tired. I am surprised they haven’t upgraded it to Cathay Pacific
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:30 pm

edealinfo wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
edealinfo wrote:

for the 787,, Vistara has 6 aircraft as a firm order and an additional 4 are options.


Reading the article in the link again, it appears that 6 aircraft of the “firm” Order will be of one type, and 4 of the orders that are “options” would be of another type.

I thought Boeing only made 1 version of the 787-9. I guess I was wrong. Just how many versions of the 787-9 does Boeing offer?


Maybe I read the article wrong. I think they are using the A321 for medium haul (6 hours) and then dream liners for longer. I think they need seat back tvs In the A321. I also think Vistara should install small lie flat J seat cabin in their A321. I fly AA's and DL's lie flat narrow body product. It is totally good for short flights. The US style first class seat for 5/6 hours is noncompetitive IMHO.

Btw I think Vistara needs to hustle. Looks like foreign airlines and AI are filing in Jet's lost capacity on routes you can actually make money. See LHR-BOM/DEL. I think VIstara needs to figure out how to get rights for BOM/DEL-HKG. I know there are problems in HKG now, but you can't be an Indian business airline and not fly that route (along with SIN, DXB and LHR).


Why do you think Indians have a relatively large presence in Hong Kong? In what sectors do they participate?


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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:33 pm

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After starting BLR last year, Ethiopian Airlines adds MAA-ADD. 3x weekly Dreamliner starting April 3rd, feeding into ADD's morning departure bank.

http://www.ethiopianairlines.com

Nice to see intl expansion in the south too, between NRT and ADD for both MAA and BLR.


I didn’t know the South had much contact with Africa. But good for these cities and good for ET. I saw the BLR flight one month ago and was surprised.

Maybe they are targeting N. American to MAA. TheIr Bangalore flight shows up on search engines for New York to BLR routing (and with attractive fares).


How does vaccination requirements come into play if you transit in Africa !? maybe this might deter.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:55 pm

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edealinfo wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:

Maybe I read the article wrong. I think they are using the A321 for medium haul (6 hours) and then dream liners for longer. I think they need seat back tvs In the A321. I also think Vistara should install small lie flat J seat cabin in their A321. I fly AA's and DL's lie flat narrow body product. It is totally good for short flights. The US style first class seat for 5/6 hours is noncompetitive IMHO.

Btw I think Vistara needs to hustle. Looks like foreign airlines and AI are filing in Jet's lost capacity on routes you can actually make money. See LHR-BOM/DEL. I think VIstara needs to figure out how to get rights for BOM/DEL-HKG. I know there are problems in HKG now, but you can't be an Indian business airline and not fly that route (along with SIN, DXB and LHR).


Why do you think Indians have a relatively large presence in Hong Kong? In what sectors do they participate?


Earlier migration textiles, diamonds and trading (some ex Africa)... recent finance, tech and lots of mailland trading


Yes add to that that HKG is many times the Asian HQ for western firms (as is SIN). So DEL/BOM-HKG are prime business routes IMHO. This is not a VFR route. Although it is a fairly decent shopping route for Indians (sort of a rotation where people go to DXB, SIN and HKG)
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:42 am

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Indigo says it’s BLR to HKG route has been performing well for which the only other competitor on this route is Cathay Dragon, whose planes on the route look kind of tired. I am surprised they haven’t upgraded it to Cathay Pacific

I suspect Indigo has the right costs and product for this route at this time. I couldn't imagine right now high J demand.

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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:07 am

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edealinfo wrote:
Indigo says it’s BLR to HKG route has been performing well for which the only other competitor on this route is Cathay Dragon, whose planes on the route look kind of tired. I am surprised they haven’t upgraded it to Cathay Pacific

I suspect Indigo has the right costs and product for this route at this time. I couldn't imagine right now high J demand.

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I don’t think CX can “upgrade” to CX since there is some odd way the old Dragonair / Cathay operating companies have rights to India. It is obvious something CX would have done long ago.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:53 am

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Indigo says it’s BLR to HKG route has been performing well for which the only other competitor on this route is Cathay Dragon, whose planes on the route look kind of tired. I am surprised they haven’t upgraded it to Cathay Pacific

I suspect Indigo has the right costs and product for this route at this time. I couldn't imagine right now high J demand.

Lightsaber
I don’t think CX can “upgrade” to CX since there is some odd way the old Dragonair / Cathay operating companies have rights to India. It is obvious something CX would have done long ago.


It would be interesting to ascertain the nature of this restriction. If you or others have details, please let us know. It is also interesting that Cathay has selected Cathy Pacific to Hyderabad and Cathay Dragon to Bangalore and not vice versa. Any insights?

Having recently traveled on Cathay Dragon and Cathy Pacific in economy, here are my comments:

Cathay Dragon - meh. Tired planes and average meal. With a later night departure from BLR and average, at best service, for a relatively short 5 flight to HKG, I could easily see myself not ruling out Indigo as an option and that's not good for Cathay Dragon if others feel the same as well.

Cathay Pacific - HKG to North Amreeka on B777. Clean, efficient, service with adequate legroom and nice meals including ice-cream which is a nice touch. Outstanding headrest - easily the best I have encountered.

Can't say overall whether or not Cathay Pacific is better than Emirates. Emirates has colorful flight attendants (dress, appearance, make up. etc), but more importantly, the panache and ambiance, that Cathy will never have. Nevertheless, given a choice between the two, I would personally prefer Cathay Pacific, but when travelling with family, may opt for Emirates since they may appreciate the panache more than I ever will.

By the way, the Cathy Dragon flight was filled with Indians - Indian born and American/Canadian - Indians (connecting to onward flights). Why aren't foreigners flying to and from India?

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