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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:55 am

Singapore Airlines Set To Fly The Airbus A350 to Ahmedabad
https://simpleflying.com/singapore-airl ... ahmedabad/
Ahmedabad will be the airline’s seventh Indian destination.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:39 am

SQ already serves AMD using A330-300. This is not a new route. It is an up-gauge. They have 6 destinations in India.
BOM
DEL
BLR
MAA
CCU
AMD

I am only listing SQ served stations. There are other Scoot/SlikAir stations as well. I remember seeing an SQ bird at AMD as far back as 2010-2011 (772) when AI used to have the scissor hub at FRA and used to run an EWR-FRA-AMD rotation. Both flights would arrive within an hour of each other. Of course it quite possible that they discontinued it for a while and brought it back later. But as of now they are already present in AMD.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:44 am

They are also upgauging MAA from A330 to B787-10 and adding a 2nd daily B787-10 as well.

So now all SQ stations in India will receive at least one of A359 or B78X daily (there are some additional BOM/DEL A380/B777 frequencies too).
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:23 pm

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They are also upgauging MAA from A330 to B787-10 and adding a 2nd daily B787-10 as well.

So now all SQ stations in India will receive at least one of A359 or B78X daily (there are some additional BOM/DEL A380/B777 frequencies too).


Impressive that they send their best products to India. There was a time when Indian destinations only received tired products from international carriers... specially EK and their notorious A330
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:30 pm

IndiGo's newest international destination : Dammam (Saudi Arabia).

Will connect Dammam with Hyderabad, Mumbai & Trivandrum.

https://www.traveldailymedia.com/amp/in ... to-dammam/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:54 pm

Air India in summer 2020 season is adjusting operational aircraft for Delhi – Jeddah route. From 31MAR20, the Star Alliance carrier will operate Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner on this route, instead of 777-300ER. This route is served 3 times weekly.

AI991 DEL1630 – 1945JED 788 246
AI992 JED2115 – 0500+1DEL 788 246

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-changes/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:54 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Singapore Airlines Set To Fly The Airbus A350 to Ahmedabad
https://simpleflying.com/singapore-airl ... ahmedabad/
Ahmedabad will be the airline’s seventh Indian destination.


As VTORD mentioned, this is up gauging.

They have been flying AMD for over 10 yrs, sometimes 3-4 weekly frequencies but now daily.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:29 pm

avier wrote:
IndiGo's newest international destination : Dammam (Saudi Arabia).

Will connect Dammam with Hyderabad, Mumbai & Trivandrum.

https://www.traveldailymedia.com/amp/in ... to-dammam/

I thought the government restricted them from starting new routes until they completed eliminated the problem engines in their fleet
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:32 pm

Air India Express to report blockbuster 500 crores profit this fiscal
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.moneyc ... 1.html/amp

AI Xpress should be sold off separately as it could get good value as a stand line Company
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:42 pm

Anyone have any insight into aviation bilateral discussions that happened in Mumbai on Jan 16th with 9 countries?
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:16 pm

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Anyone have any insight into aviation bilateral discussions that happened in Mumbai on Jan 16th with 9 countries?

Which were the 9 countries? Hope they are not obscure ones.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:26 pm

All the 9 grounded Air India wide bodied aircraft are repaired and back in the air. Not bad. But, what I haven’t figured is why Air India is deeply in the red whereas Air India Express is quite profitable. Is it relative debt and employee costs that makes one so much worse off than the other, or are there other factors?

https://menafn.com/1099564185/Qatar-Air ... re-suitors
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:43 pm

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All the 9 grounded Air India wide bodied aircraft are repaired and back in the air. Not bad. But, what I haven’t figured is why Air India is deeply in the red whereas Air India Express is quite profitable. Is it relative debt and employee costs that makes one so much worse off than the other, or are there other factors?

https://menafn.com/1099564185/Qatar-Air ... re-suitors


Too bad that 12 of its narrow body A320 are grounded
https://simpleflying.com/air-india-engine-struggles/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:47 pm

edealinfo wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
All the 9 grounded Air India wide bodied aircraft are repaired and back in the air. Not bad. But, what I haven’t figured is why Air India is deeply in the red whereas Air India Express is quite profitable. Is it relative debt and employee costs that makes one so much worse off than the other, or are there other factors?

https://menafn.com/1099564185/Qatar-Air ... re-suitors


Too bad that 12 of its narrow body A320 are grounded
https://simpleflying.com/air-india-engine-struggles/

Nitpick, one grounded, but vendors will not work on engines or offer replacement engines on all 12 airframes.

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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:18 am

edealinfo wrote:
blrBird wrote:
Anyone have any insight into aviation bilateral discussions that happened in Mumbai on Jan 16th with 9 countries?

Which were the 9 countries? Hope they are not obscure ones.

UAE, China, Saudi, Qatar, Singapore etc
from star dust....
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:36 am

unnayan wrote:
CPS001 wrote:
They are also upgauging MAA from A330 to B787-10 and adding a 2nd daily B787-10 as well.

So now all SQ stations in India will receive at least one of A359 or B78X daily (there are some additional BOM/DEL A380/B777 frequencies too).


Impressive that they send their best products to India. There was a time when Indian destinations only received tired products from international carriers... specially EK and their notorious A330

Many airlines send good products to India but only to DEL, BOM and BLR. Example: LH A380/A350, QR Qsuite. To other destinations, such as MAA, the product is tired and old: LH A340/A330 and QR A330-300. MAA has a history of receiving inferior products; it was one of the last cities in the world to have regular service on EK’s 777-300 (non-ER).

All cities except DEL and MAA seem to receive the A350 (and DEL and BOM have the A380). The 787-10 flies to DEL and will fly to MAA 2x daily from May.

VTORD wrote:
SQ already serves AMD using A330-300. This is not a new route. It is an up-gauge. They have 6 destinations in India.
BOM
DEL
BLR
MAA
CCU
AMD

I am only listing SQ served stations. There are other Scoot/SlikAir stations as well. I remember seeing an SQ bird at AMD as far back as 2010-2011 (772) when AI used to have the scissor hub at FRA and used to run an EWR-FRA-AMD rotation. Both flights would arrive within an hour of each other. Of course it quite possible that they discontinued it for a while and brought it back later. But as of now they are already present in AMD.

A trip report covering the SQ flight to EWR has an interesting title: The World’s Longest Flight, via Ahmedabad.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:43 am

edealinfo wrote:
AI Xpress should be sold off separately as it could get good value as a stand line Company


Air India Express got to fly international from day one. It didn't need adhere to the rule of "20 rotations worth of domestic operations before flying abroad" that the MoCA imposes on other private carriers in India. Perks of being an AI subsidiary, I suppose?

But now, if it is sold as a 'Stand Alone Company', does it get to retain this privilege of not having 20 airframes drain money flying competitive domestic routes?

Perhaps this is one reason why IX is profitable? Because it has been conveniently excused from the 'rules' (like Route Dispersal Guidelines) that weigh-down other Indian carriers. They've simply focussed on Regional International routes that yield more without the usual 'baggage' of being forced to operate domestic.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:23 am

edealinfo wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
All the 9 grounded Air India wide bodied aircraft are repaired and back in the air. Not bad. But, what I haven’t figured is why Air India is deeply in the red whereas Air India Express is quite profitable. Is it relative debt and employee costs that makes one so much worse off than the other, or are there other factors?

https://menafn.com/1099564185/Qatar-Air ... re-suitors


Too bad that 12 of its narrow body A320 are grounded
https://simpleflying.com/air-india-engine-struggles/


That's a very bold claim coming from that blog. AI only operates CFM A320 NEOs. IT would be huge if 12 CFM NEOs need engine replacements so soon.
The blog should provide tail numbers of grounded a/c, otherwise, I just consider it a cheap publicity stunt.

AI is operationally not that bad. Its the EMIs on its debt that's killing it.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:26 am

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That's a very bold claim coming from that blog. AI only operates CFM A320 NEOs. IT would be huge if 12 CFM NEOs need engine replacements so soon.


It's not the NEOs.
AI operates around 66 A320ceo family aircraft consisting of A319, 320 and 321s. An August 2018 Times of India report mentioned that 12 of these 66ceos were grounded for lack of spares. Since then, the government released funds and I guess AI prioritised fixing-up their WBs before tackling their NBs

The plane grounded in Baroda was operating DEL-BDQ AI819. The route is usually operated by an A321.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:14 pm

trinidadeG wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
That's a very bold claim coming from that blog. AI only operates CFM A320 NEOs. IT would be huge if 12 CFM NEOs need engine replacements so soon.


It's not the NEOs.
AI operates around 66 A320ceo family aircraft consisting of A319, 320 and 321s. An August 2018 Times of India report mentioned that 12 of these 66ceos were grounded for lack of spares. Since then, the government released funds and I guess AI prioritised fixing-up their WBs before tackling their NBs

The plane grounded in Baroda was operating DEL-BDQ AI819. The route is usually operated by an A321.


Quick checked FR24... These came up...

Regist   Type   MSN    Last Flight  From  To   Flight
VT-PPX   A321   4280   22-07-2018   NAG   BOM   AI630
VT-SCX   A319   4164   12-11-2018   DAC   CCU   AI229
VT-SCT   A319   4029   12-11-2018   LKO   DEL   AI812
VT-SCU   A319   4052   22-12-2018   RAJ   BOM   AI656
VT-PPN   A321   3955   29-01-2019   TIR   HYD   AI541
VT-PPW   A321   4155   03-04-2019   AMD   BOM   AI614
VT-SCW   A319   4121   17-05-2019   DMU   CCU   AI710
VT-SCJ   A319   3305   28-10-2019   IXS   CCU   AI754
VT-SCI   A319   3300   22-11-2019   DIB   CCU   AI706
VT-PPE   A321   3328   22-11-2019   GOI   BOM   
VT-PPF   A321   3340   12-12-2019   AMD   BOM   AI958
VT-SCK   A319   3344   15-12-2019   BLR   CCU   AI772
VT-EDF   A320   4237   31-12-2019   DEL   BDQ   AI819
VT-SCH   A319   3288   06-01-2020   BLR   BOM   AI507
VT-PPG   A321   3367   12-01-2020   DXB   BOM   AI984
VT-SCC   A319   2629   15-01-2020   IXA   CCU   AI746


MSN roughly between
3200 and 3500 are 12 year old
3500 and 3800 are 11 year old
3800 and 4200 are 10 year old

So I hope the D Checks are done while waiting for spares.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:46 pm

zionite wrote:
trinidadeG wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
That's a very bold claim coming from that blog. AI only operates CFM A320 NEOs. IT would be huge if 12 CFM NEOs need engine replacements so soon.


It's not the NEOs.
AI operates around 66 A320ceo family aircraft consisting of A319, 320 and 321s. An August 2018 Times of India report mentioned that 12 of these 66ceos were grounded for lack of spares. Since then, the government released funds and I guess AI prioritised fixing-up their WBs before tackling their NBs

The plane grounded in Baroda was operating DEL-BDQ AI819. The route is usually operated by an A321.


Quick checked FR24... These came up...

Regist   Type   MSN    Last Flight  From  To   Flight
VT-PPX   A321   4280   22-07-2018   NAG   BOM   AI630
VT-SCX   A319   4164   12-11-2018   DAC   CCU   AI229
VT-SCT   A319   4029   12-11-2018   LKO   DEL   AI812
VT-SCU   A319   4052   22-12-2018   RAJ   BOM   AI656
VT-PPN   A321   3955   29-01-2019   TIR   HYD   AI541
VT-PPW   A321   4155   03-04-2019   AMD   BOM   AI614
VT-SCW   A319   4121   17-05-2019   DMU   CCU   AI710
VT-SCJ   A319   3305   28-10-2019   IXS   CCU   AI754
VT-SCI   A319   3300   22-11-2019   DIB   CCU   AI706
VT-PPE   A321   3328   22-11-2019   GOI   BOM   
VT-PPF   A321   3340   12-12-2019   AMD   BOM   AI958
VT-SCK   A319   3344   15-12-2019   BLR   CCU   AI772
VT-EDF   A320   4237   31-12-2019   DEL   BDQ   AI819
VT-SCH   A319   3288   06-01-2020   BLR   BOM   AI507
VT-PPG   A321   3367   12-01-2020   DXB   BOM   AI984
VT-SCC   A319   2629   15-01-2020   IXA   CCU   AI746


MSN roughly between
3200 and 3500 are 12 year old
3500 and 3800 are 11 year old
3800 and 4200 are 10 year old

So I hope the D Checks are done while waiting for spares.


That's a pretty comprehensive summary dude !!

So 1 A320Neo, 9 A319 and 6 A321 are grounded...
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:11 pm

blrBird wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
blrBird wrote:
Anyone have any insight into aviation bilateral discussions that happened in Mumbai on Jan 16th with 9 countries?

Which were the 9 countries? Hope they are not obscure ones.

UAE, China, Saudi, Qatar, Singapore etc


Last year, in Jan 2019, they had such a meeting and then the Government ruled out additional flights to these countries. Did you by any chance inadvertently find last year's report? If not, I guess this is an annual exercise.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:15 pm

VTCIE wrote:
Many airlines send good products to India but only to DEL, BOM and BLR. Example: LH A380/A350, QR Qsuite. To other destinations, such as MAA, the product is tired and old: LH A340/A330 and QR A330-300. MAA has a history of receiving inferior products; it was one of the last cities in the world to have regular service on EK’s 777-300 (non-ER).

It is a shame that MAA gets step-motherly treatment from all carriers because they have none to compete with on aircraft quality on that route......until ANA came along. let's hope Madrasis support the flight!
 
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Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:18 pm

trinidadeG wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
AI Xpress should be sold off separately as it could get good value as a stand line Company


Air India Express got to fly international from day one. It didn't need adhere to the rule of "20 rotations worth of domestic operations before flying abroad" that the MoCA imposes on other private carriers in India. Perks of being an AI subsidiary, I suppose?

But now, if it is sold as a 'Stand Alone Company', does it get to retain this privilege of not having 20 air frames drain money flying competitive domestic routes?

Perhaps this is one reason why IX is profitable? Because it has been conveniently excused from the 'rules' (like Route Dispersal Guidelines) that weigh-down other Indian carriers. They've simply focused on Regional International routes that yield more without the usual 'baggage' of being forced to operate domestic.


"trinidadeG" and "Zionite" -- excellent posts and welcome to the Indian Aviation Forum!
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:31 pm

anshabhi wrote:
zionite wrote:
trinidadeG wrote:

It's not the NEOs.
AI operates around 66 A320ceo family aircraft consisting of A319, 320 and 321s. An August 2018 Times of India report mentioned that 12 of these 66ceos were grounded for lack of spares. Since then, the government released funds and I guess AI prioritised fixing-up their WBs before tackling their NBs

The plane grounded in Baroda was operating DEL-BDQ AI819. The route is usually operated by an A321.


Quick checked FR24... These came up...

Regist   Type   MSN    Last Flight  From  To   Flight
VT-PPX   A321   4280   22-07-2018   NAG   BOM   AI630
VT-SCX   A319   4164   12-11-2018   DAC   CCU   AI229
VT-SCT   A319   4029   12-11-2018   LKO   DEL   AI812
VT-SCU   A319   4052   22-12-2018   RAJ   BOM   AI656
VT-PPN   A321   3955   29-01-2019   TIR   HYD   AI541
VT-PPW   A321   4155   03-04-2019   AMD   BOM   AI614
VT-SCW   A319   4121   17-05-2019   DMU   CCU   AI710
VT-SCJ   A319   3305   28-10-2019   IXS   CCU   AI754
VT-SCI   A319   3300   22-11-2019   DIB   CCU   AI706
VT-PPE   A321   3328   22-11-2019   GOI   BOM   
VT-PPF   A321   3340   12-12-2019   AMD   BOM   AI958
VT-SCK   A319   3344   15-12-2019   BLR   CCU   AI772
VT-EDF   A320   4237   31-12-2019   DEL   BDQ   AI819
VT-SCH   A319   3288   06-01-2020   BLR   BOM   AI507
VT-PPG   A321   3367   12-01-2020   DXB   BOM   AI984
VT-SCC   A319   2629   15-01-2020   IXA   CCU   AI746


MSN roughly between
3200 and 3500 are 12 year old
3500 and 3800 are 11 year old
3800 and 4200 are 10 year old

So I hope the D Checks are done while waiting for spares.


That's a pretty comprehensive summary dude !!

So 1 A320Neo, 9 A319 and 6 A321 are grounded...


Thanks @zionite!

@anshabhi, VT-EDF (msn 4237) is a 10 year old A320ceo. One of only four that remain in the AI fleet.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:33 pm

From the simplyflying article:
The airline does have a spare engine for the aircraft; however, it has to transport it from Delhi to the western city of Vadodara outside Ahmedabad.
I literally laughed at this one. Vadodara is 100kms "outside" Ahmedabad! :lol:

Among other AI news: CNBC is reporting that AI may transfer the 747s to Alliance Air. The article below. It has 2 very baffling statements:

https://www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/air-i ... 080751.htm

The 4 B747-400 aircraft are being used for VVIP flights on behalf of GOI (Government of India). These arrangements would continue and the aircraft retained in the fleet till the 2 new B777-300ER aircraft procured by the GOI for this purpose are ready for operations. The operations and maintenance of the two new B777-300ER aircrafts meant for VVIP operations would have to be carried out by Air India. The details would be provided at the time of RFP
Does the GoI expect the new buyer to continue operating VIP flights!?

These B747-400 aircraft will gradually be replaced by B777 aircraft which will join the fleet by the end of 2020, sources said.
"Three B777-300ER (owned) aircraft are on order…(two of these are being procured on behalf of GOI and are being financed by GOI, these aircraft are meant for VVIP operations),” the government had clarified.

Did AI place an order for 3 77Ws we don't know about? :?
All AI 777s have been delivered. AFAIK VT-ALV and VT-ALW are "stored" which I am assuming is code for VIP mods. Surely a CNBC aviation journalist would be expected to know this? :shakehead:

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Air-India
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:48 pm

https://centreforaviation.com/news/visi ... -24-968974

Visitor arrivals to India up 3% in 2019, arrivals on e-tourist visa up 24%
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:57 pm

Foreign airlines won’t be able to bid for over 49% of Air India

https://www.timesnownews.com/business-e ... dia/539447
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:08 pm

Air India Express "wins" approval for three more aircraft

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... e-aircraft
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:31 pm

This Boeing production planner shows 8 Vistara 787-9 aircraft in various stages of the production process. I think 4 of these were originally for Hainan and may be going to Biman. Can someone else with better knowledge on this spreadsheet , please comment. And how do you filter the data. this is not Excel.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=49
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:33 pm

After a year of Supreme Court delays, it finally allows resuming construction of airport at Goa’s Mopa.


https://www.livemint.com/news/india/aft ... 37159.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:41 pm

Indian passport holders do not need prior visa to travel in these 58 countries

There is only 1 European country on the list: Serbia [ I guess its popularity for travel will depend on how easy or difficult it is to sneak into mainline Europe] . Doesn't Indigo want to start flights to Europe for this travel?

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/ind ... 61511.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:45 pm

GMR Airports wins contract for duty-free shops at Kannur int'l airport in Kerala

https://www.livemint.com/companies/news ... 38302.html

By the way, separately, can anyone confirm whether the international booze sold at Bangaluru Airport Duty Free is "genuine" (e.g., Johnny Walker Blue, Royal Salute 21 years, etc)?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:49 pm

After 4 years, Malindo Airlines' Thiruvananthapuram-Kuala Lumpur service to be axed

I guess the foreign tourists didn't bite because they couldn't even pronounce the destination let alone spell it.

Read more at: https://travel.manoramaonline.com/trave ... rvice.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:59 pm

trinidadeG wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
AI Xpress should be sold off separately as it could get good value as a stand line Company


Air India Express got to fly international from day one. It didn't need adhere to the rule of "20 rotations worth of domestic operations before flying abroad" that the MoCA imposes on other private carriers in India. Perks of being an AI subsidiary, I suppose?

But now, if it is sold as a 'Stand Alone Company', does it get to retain this privilege of not having 20 airframes drain money flying competitive domestic routes?

Perhaps this is one reason why IX is profitable? Because it has been conveniently excused from the 'rules' (like Route Dispersal Guidelines) that weigh-down other Indian carriers. They've simply focussed on Regional International routes that yield more without the usual 'baggage' of being forced to operate domestic.


They did not attempt to start a hub at Thiruananthpuram, Kochi or Kozhikode
They dont offer Class F or J

By these stardards, they are utterly unsuccssful!
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:30 am

vadodara wrote:

They did not attempt to start a hub at Thiruananthpuram, Kochi or Kozhikode
They dont offer Class F or J

By these stardards, they are utterly unsuccssful!


Not having a 'hub'
Not having Premium class.

Falls within the IATA definition of a "Low Cost Carrier". I don't think IX ever pretended to be an FSC.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:37 am

Will Vistara ever look to join star alliance given their parent company is a member? Other star members would rather have Vistara over air india as it seems.

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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:52 am

Flywithus wrote:
Will Vistara ever look to join star alliance given their parent company is a member? Other star members would rather have Vistara over air india as it seems.

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I think it is long held now that you don't need to be in an alliance to strike up stronger relationships between individual airlines. Case in point - Emirates which will have strong relationships with Qantas, Spicejet etc. Another example is Virgin Atlantic which has an excellent relationship with Delta, KLM, Air France, etc. Only foolish airlines join the "major alliances", paying ginormous fees in exchange for benefits that aren't as good, for the money, as an airline can forge by itself (e.g., Emirates, Virgin, etc).
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:11 pm

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Indian passport holders do not need prior visa to travel in these 58 countries

There is only 1 European country on the list: Serbia [ I guess its popularity for travel will depend on how easy or difficult it is to sneak into mainline Europe] . Doesn't Indigo want to start flights to Europe for this travel?

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/ind ... 61511.html


Wow, Indian's don't need a visa to go to MACAU (the Las Vegas of Asia), yet they do need one to go to Hong Kong. So, how come there are no direct flights from India to Macau? Second, would a bilateral to cover air rights to Macau be a separate India Macau agreement or will it fall under the India - China bilateral?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:17 pm

Nok Air suspends Guwahati-Bangkok flights from January 20. This comes on top of Spicjet cancelling Guwahati- Dhaka.

https://nenow.in/north-east-news/assam/ ... ry-20.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:42 pm

trinidadeG wrote:
vadodara wrote:

They did not attempt to start a hub at Thiruananthpuram, Kochi or Kozhikode
They dont offer Class F or J

By these stardards, they are utterly unsuccssful!


Not having a 'hub'
Not having Premium class.

Falls within the IATA definition of a "Low Cost Carrier". I don't think IX ever pretended to be an FSC.


Umm yes, the comment was tonge-in-cheek! Somehow IX escaped from this fixation and proves how aviation can be successful.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 1:48 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Indian passport holders do not need prior visa to travel in these 58 countries

There is only 1 European country on the list: Serbia [ I guess its popularity for travel will depend on how easy or difficult it is to sneak into mainline Europe] . Doesn't Indigo want to start flights to Europe for this travel?

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/ind ... 61511.html


From what I understand, Indigo was considering Tiblisi in Georgia as a stop over point for London. I wonder if a better option would be India- Serbia-London. Tibilisi may offer a shorter routing to London but a stop over in Serbia may help fill that flight.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:26 pm

Air India reinstates senior pilot found guilty of sexual harassment

https://indianexpress.com/article/busin ... t-6224307/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:04 pm

SpiceJet has started firing pilots citing MAX groundings...

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mum ... 409919.cms
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:33 pm

unnayan wrote:
SpiceJet has started firing pilots citing MAX groundings...

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mum ... 409919.cms



why can't Spicejet take over the lease of Vistara's 737s which Vistara may be only too willing to get rid off?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:40 pm

Cambodia, Philippines, Iceland emerge tourist hotspots for Indian tourists

https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll ... ts/1712921
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:02 pm

Karnataka to get four new airports in the next two years: Aviation Secretary
http://www.bhatkallys.com/state/karnata ... secretary/

Supreme Court Ordered Delay costs Goa's new airport 50 lakh per day times 365 days (you do the math)
https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll ... pa/1712281
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:36 pm

Star Air adds Belagavi to Indore flights

This is kind of a weird route. Any idea of the kind of traffic between these 2 places?

https://www.anna.aero/2020/01/20/star-a ... e-flights/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:42 pm

India passed 250 million seats in 2019; LCCs now 80% domestically

"With a 47% share of domestic seats, IndiGo has transformed the domestic market. It is also doing the same internationally, with Air India, the country’s number-one international airline, now with fewer than one million more seats than IndiGo"

68% of India’s seats are domestic

Air India became the country’s #1 international airline in 2019

Excellent data in article

https://www.anna.aero/2020/01/14/india- ... estically/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:04 pm

trinidadeG wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
AI Xpress should be sold off separately as it could get good value as a stand line Company


Air India Express got to fly international from day one. It didn't need adhere to the rule of "20 rotations worth of domestic operations before flying abroad" that the MoCA imposes on other private carriers in India. Perks of being an AI subsidiary, I suppose?

But now, if it is sold as a 'Stand Alone Company', does it get to retain this privilege of not having 20 airframes drain money flying competitive domestic routes?

Perhaps this is one reason why IX is profitable? Because it has been conveniently excused from the 'rules' (like Route Dispersal Guidelines) that weigh-down other Indian carriers. They've simply focussed on Regional International routes that yield more without the usual 'baggage' of being forced to operate domestic.


IX was started so that AI could fly the glamorous routes, while still keeping the profits from the ME runs that were making money. Some (20%) of IX revenues were "given" to AI till recently (the date escapes me, maybe 5 years back?)

Now with all that over, IX surely is making money. I believe it also has the lowest operational cost of any Indian airline? And they have withstood other Indian LCCs flying to Middle East to Kerala.

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