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Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:32 pm

Welcome to the Philippine Aviation Thread 2020. Please continue your discussion and to post your updates here.

Link to previous thread:

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:57 pm

PAL will be marking its 79th year in March 2020..... :old: .....

https://business.inquirer.net/286330/pa ... management

Hopefully, 2020 would be a better year which may see much improved service with the transfer of their international operations to Terminal 1, completion of renovations at Terminal 2, transition to a new set of officers to alleviate the impact of its top executive's passing, management changes and serious aircraft incidents in the year just ended. Lastly, may 2020 see the earnest, actual start of the long-stalled NAIA Redevelopment so the airline could proceed with its ongoing fleet modernization! :point:



In the midst of all these, SGL airport's much-publicized launch threaten the smooth prosecution of the above projects..... :alert: .....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/ ... ct-january

.....its inaccessibility, foreseen humongous costs and pie-in-the-sky nature notwithstanding :!: :indifferent:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:29 am

Devilfish wrote:
PAL will be marking its 79th year in March 2020..... :old: .....:


Fingers crossed for a retrojet next year!
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:29 am

Happy New Year Everyone! Just wanted to share that Arianespace from another aviation forum has hinted that PAL will soon exercised its options for six additional A350's with the A350 -1000 variant being hinted.
 
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:48 am

Interesting if it is true. PALs widebody fleet is fairly young. Maybe the additional aircraft will be for expansion? Or to phase out the 777s down the line to have an A330/350 fleet?
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:01 pm

January 15, 2020 is the day, NMIA will finally break ground.

https://manilastandard.net/mobile/article/313933

On Jan. 15, San Miguel Corp. finally breaks ground for its P735.6-billion New Manila International Airport in Bulakan town, Bulacan province.

Top officials from President Duterte’s cabinet, the LGUs of Central Luzon, and of course, SMC Chair Eduardo M. Cojuangco Jr. and SMC Vice Chair and President Ramon S. Ang will grace the occasion.
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:43 pm

Happy new year Philippines!
That is great news.finally an accurate final date for the groundbreaking.will someone cover this historic event?pictures or videos?thanks in advance
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:49 pm

January 15, 2020 :) :) :)
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:42 am

PAL is launching Cebu-Los Angeles on May 2020!
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:03 pm

Bobby27ph wrote:
PAL is launching Cebu-Los Angeles on May 2020!


Looking for another source for now. So far no update on PR's official timetable or Airlineroute.
As per source (Aviation Updates Philippines on FB) planned schedule is:

PR152 CEB-LAX 2100-1930 246 B77W
PR153 LAX-CEB 2230-0500+2 246 B77W

Allows for connections to/from the CEB hub, hopefully it will work this time. And for type chasers, probably more 77Ws on MNL-CEB-MNL!

Also some interesting stuff from the 20/27 Dec timetable:

MNL-ZAM sees extra 3x weekly from Jan 16, opb Mainline
MNL-PAG to operate daily from March 1-28, opb 2P
CRK-JJN to operate Tu-Th-Sa from Jan 16-31, opb Mainline
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:22 pm

PAL usually applies for high-capacity aircraft, even if the actual aircraft (most probably) is A350.

It gives flexibility to use different aircraft types.

Re: CRK, more airlines will add frequencies for Greater Manila in Clark.

Airlines are reporting increased pax load in Clark at the moment.

Terminal 2 is also expected to open this year!
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:27 pm

SkyHigher wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
January 15, 2020 is the day, NMIA will finally break ground.

https://manilastandard.net/mobile/article/313933

Curious that only the Manila Standard carried the story. Do the other rags have their own pet projects? :scratchchin: As my default writer opines, modern international airports are desperately needed in the country.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... 6/airports


Bobby27ph wrote:
PAL is launching Cebu-Los Angeles on May 2020!

A corroborating source would be greatly appreciated. Interestingly, the launch coincides with the "threatened" EIS of another Airbus model. :spin:


Philippine747 wrote:
Allows for connections to/from the CEB hub, hopefully it will work this time. And for type chasers, probably more 77Ws on MNL-CEB-MNL!

PAL found it difficult to fill the A340 on this route on their first try. The 77W would be too big of a jump in capacity for restarting the route. Maybe for peak holiday season. :crowded:


Bobby27ph wrote:
PAL usually applies for high-capacity aircraft, even if the actual aircraft (most probably) is A350.

It gives flexibility to use different aircraft types.

That makes sense and would give credence to Reply #4 as PR could switch a couple of A359s to CEB-LAX if they indeed upgauged their options to the A350-1000. :stretch:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:28 am

From the same source as the CEB-LAX relaunch, PR to start MNL-SEA from May 2, 2020. Keep in mind there is no reliable confirmation for this.

Proposed schedule on the post was:

PR128 MNL-SEA 2245-1945 137 A359
PR129 SEA-MNL 2305-0335+2 137 A359

Big if true. Also note that SEA is a Delta hub and LAX got increased service (another DL hub)... Skyteam membership on the horizon?
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:34 am

Devilfish wrote:
PAL found it difficult to fill the A340 on this route on their first try. The 77W would be too big of a jump in capacity for restarting the route. Maybe for peak holiday season. :crowded:


CEB has grown as a hub since then... PR might also be pushing for more cargo and connecting pax. A 0500 arrival in CEB would allow for pax to transfer to the early/mid-morning bank of departures. Likewise, there would also be lots of time for pax to connect from the provinces..
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:11 am

Hi everyone,

I'm looking for Monthly pax stastitics for Puerto Princesa Airport (PPS) & Caticlan airport (MPS).

I have searched on the CAA website of the Philippines but didn't find anything relevant. If someone got some infos that would help.

Many thanks.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:28 pm

Would PR consider a CEB-SFO-CEB route should CEB-LAX-CEB route works for them. How many early morning departures does PR have from CEB? How much time is required for an internationl to domestic connection in CEB?
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:40 pm

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How many early morning departures does PR have from CEB?


Within 0600H-0800H based off the Dec 27 timetable:

BCD, CGY, DVO, DPL, GES, LGP (not daily but connects from the proposed LAX flight), NRT, and OZC.

georgiabill wrote:
How much time is required for an internationl to domestic connection in CEB?


One hour give or take, speaking from experience. Connected once from the Bangkok flight which arrives at 0630H to the Cagayan de Oro at 0800H. Then again, the terminal is mostly empty around that time and it was painless to clear customs and immigration. There's a shuttle bus from T2 to T1 which runs at regular intervals.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:12 pm

Philippine747 wrote:
From the same source as the CEB-LAX relaunch, PR to start MNL-SEA from May 2, 2020. Keep in mind there is no reliable confirmation for this.

Big if true. Also note that SEA is a Delta hub and LAX got increased service (another DL hub)... Skyteam membership on the horizon?

PR has been eyeing SEA for the longest time. Maybe DL's improvement of their station there could help pax connecting to MNL if they didn't want to transit through LAX, since the IAF will soon be finished and the TPAC sector would be at least an hour shorter. While others still have the ICN option on DL, though with a likely longer layover. :yawn: It'd be interesting to see if the red-eye schedules would be popular. :zzz:

Philippine747 wrote:
CEB has grown as a hub since then... PR might also be pushing for more cargo and connecting pax. A 0500 arrival in CEB would allow for pax to transfer to the early/mid-morning bank of departures. Likewise, there would also be lots of time for pax to connect from the provinces..

If cargo and connecting pax were indeed prime considerations which could offset the higher trip costs, then a 77W makes sense. Otherwise, I see the A359 as perfectly adequate. An early morning arrival at CEB can be an added attraction.


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Would PR consider a CEB-SFO-CEB route should CEB-LAX-CEB route works for them.

They might...although the largest ethnic Filipino concentration is in SoCal. PR would take a very deliberate, long, hard look at it before deciding to give it a go.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:55 pm

Devilfish wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
January 15, 2020 is the day, NMIA will finally break ground.

https://manilastandard.net/mobile/article/313933

Curious that only the Manila Standard carried the story. Do the other rags have their own pet projects? :scratchchin: As my default writer opines, modern international airports are desperately needed in the country.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... 6/airports


Only the broadsheet of Imelda's maiden family has published this. Neither San Miguel nor DOTr announced that the groundbreaking is scheduled on the 15th. Well, failed PR again from the two, especially the latter that gives us intolerable ballyhoo.

Everyone of us here want modern international airports for the country, as this San Miguel fanboy and an advocate of crappy Public-Private Partnership who writes his opinion on a broadsheet owned by a dummy of Salim Group, but we will see the drastic change, at least 20-30 years from now, depending on the policies to be implemented by the next presidents and DOTr after PRRD and Sec. Tugade steps down, respectively.
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:51 am

Devilfish wrote:
PR has been eyeing SEA for the longest time. Maybe DL's improvement of their station there could help pax connecting to MNL if they didn't want to transit through LAX, since the IAF will soon be finished and the TPAC sector would be at least an hour shorter. While others still have the ICN option on DL, though with a likely longer layover. :yawn: It'd be interesting to see if the red-eye schedules would be popular. :zzz:


If there is a good price point, as well as good connections with other Delta departures throughout the US Pacific Northwest, a PR-DL partnership can work...
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:11 pm

Philippine747 wrote:
From the same source as the CEB-LAX relaunch, PR to start MNL-SEA from May 2, 2020. Keep in mind there is no reliable confirmation for this.


CEB-LAX and MNL-SEA are now published in OAG. Both flights are 3X weekly. Being discussed here:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1438419
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:47 pm

airlineaddict wrote:
Philippine747 wrote:
From the same source as the CEB-LAX relaunch, PR to start MNL-SEA from May 2, 2020. Keep in mind there is no reliable confirmation for this.

CEB-LAX and MNL-SEA are now published in OAG. Both flights are 3X weekly.

I'm keeping an interested eye on these developments, hoping there might be another new U.S. destination to come... I wish I were more optimistic but I am trying to remain positive even when there is little reason to be.

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Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:28 pm

airlineaddict wrote:
Philippine747 wrote:
From the same source as the CEB-LAX relaunch, PR to start MNL-SEA from May 2, 2020. Keep in mind there is no reliable confirmation for this.


CEB-LAX and MNL-SEA are now published in OAG. Both flights are 3X weekly. Being discussed here:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1438419


I'm more surprised at how CEB is getting the 777 when it was long rumored that A350s operating CEB-LAX was one of the reasons why they were ordered in the first place. Perhaps just a stopgap until those rumored additional A350s arrive?
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:39 pm

Aceskywalker wrote:
Interesting if it is true. PALs widebody fleet is fairly young. Maybe the additional aircraft will be for expansion? Or to phase out the 777s down the line to have an A330/350 fleet?

PR's 77W fleet are all leased...it's possible that PR would not renew the leases of the first ones as those come due for heavy checks.....

Philippine Airlines Fleet 2019
AIRCRAFT FINANCE LEASE OPERATING LEASE
B77W 4 6
A359 0 6
A333 5 10
A321N 7 0



SkyHigher wrote:
but we will see the drastic change, at least 20-30 years from now, depending on the policies to be implemented by the next presidents and DOTr

I hardly find something in aviation occurring within a span of 20 - 30 years as "drastic"..... :point:


airlineaddict wrote:
CEB-LAX and MNL-SEA are now published in OAG. Both flights are 3X weekly. Being discussed here:

So SEA will be served by the A359 while CEB-LAX will be operated by the 77W.....

https://business.inquirer.net/286616/pa ... to-seattle


However, it's intriguing that the below blog chose to include a photo of the A350-1000 on its visit at NAIA in its report..... :scratchchin: .....

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWAuBDaUMAAKD8H.jpg

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... s-sea.html



SANFan wrote:
I'm keeping an interested eye on these developments, hoping there might be another new U.S. destination to come... I wish I were more optimistic but I am trying to remain positive even when there is little reason to be.

I wish there was something out of left field for you...but as of now, no such luck unfortunately. :expressionless:
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:37 am

Is anyone else here getting fed up with all the negativity towards the Philippines here on A.net? PR's upcoming CEB-LAX and MNL-SEA flights are being discussed in another thread and as usual, the responses are quite negative with the usual "trash yields" and "VFR traffic" talking points. Do people on this site really know what they're talking about or are they just a bunch of clueless (and quite frankly, racist) armchair CEOs?
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:55 am

FT15 wrote:
Is anyone else here getting fed up with all the negativity towards the Philippines here on A.net? PR's upcoming CEB-LAX and MNL-SEA flights are being discussed in another thread and as usual, the responses are quite negative with the usual "trash yields" and "VFR traffic" talking points. Do people on this site really know what they're talking about or are they just a bunch of clueless (and quite frankly, racist) armchair CEOs?


Mostly the latter.

Though, CEB-LAX flew for about a year from 2016 to 2017. What makes it different this time?
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:15 am

FT15 wrote:
Is anyone else here getting fed up with all the negativity towards the Philippines here on A.net? PR's upcoming CEB-LAX and MNL-SEA flights are being discussed in another thread and as usual, the responses are quite negative with the usual "trash yields" and "VFR traffic" talking points. Do people on this site really know what they're talking about or are they just a bunch of clueless (and quite frankly, racist) armchair CEOs?


It’s somewhat true. There’s comparatively few high power business ties between the country and the rest of Asia with direct links to the US homeland. Yields to countries not Korea, Japan or Singapore are trash because of the capacity that the Chinese airlines have brought and much much cheaper tickets. The US3 will never fly direct to the Philippines because they don’t want to compete with PALs established flights and they don’t want to compete with other Asian airlines that offer better prices and/or service with one stop.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:41 am

Ishrion wrote:
FT15 wrote:
Is anyone else here getting fed up with all the negativity towards the Philippines here on A.net? PR's upcoming CEB-LAX and MNL-SEA flights are being discussed in another thread and as usual, the responses are quite negative with the usual "trash yields" and "VFR traffic" talking points. Do people on this site really know what they're talking about or are they just a bunch of clueless (and quite frankly, racist) armchair CEOs?


Mostly the latter.

Though, CEB-LAX flew for about a year from 2016 to 2017. What makes it different this time?


The CEB market itself has grown a lot since the opening of the new International terminal, and apparently the times have been adjusted to encourage connections.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:44 am

FT15 wrote:
Is anyone else here getting fed up with all the negativity towards the Philippines here on A.net? PR's upcoming CEB-LAX and MNL-SEA flights are being discussed in another thread and as usual, the responses are quite negative with the usual "trash yields" and "VFR traffic" talking points. Do people on this site really know what they're talking about or are they just a bunch of clueless (and quite frankly, racist) armchair CEOs?


Also, A.net posts aren't always serious or turn out to be true. Like for example, many on A.net were bullish on Norwegian Argentina or Norwegian's flights to Stewart in New York, and we all know how those turned out. Some are still in denial about the (admittedly painful and sad) commercial failure of the A380 and still think it has a chance to be revived or that the plane may have a second life.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:42 am

filipinoavgeek wrote:
FT15 wrote:
Is anyone else here getting fed up with all the negativity towards the Philippines here on A.net? PR's upcoming CEB-LAX and MNL-SEA flights are being discussed in another thread and as usual, the responses are quite negative with the usual "trash yields" and "VFR traffic" talking points. Do people on this site really know what they're talking about or are they just a bunch of clueless (and quite frankly, racist) armchair CEOs?


Also, A.net posts aren't always serious or turn out to be true. Like for example, many on A.net were bullish on Norwegian Argentina or Norwegian's flights to Stewart in New York, and we all know how those turned out. Some are still in denial about the (admittedly painful and sad) commercial failure of the A380 and still think it has a chance to be revived or that the plane may have a second life.


Sorry for asking again guys. I'm looking for pax statistics for a tourism study at PPS airport. Do you guys know where i can find those datas ?

Many thanks.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:31 am

FT15 wrote:
Is anyone else here getting fed up with all the negativity towards the Philippines here on A.net? PR's upcoming CEB-LAX and MNL-SEA flights are being discussed in another thread and as usual, the responses are quite negative with the usual "trash yields" and "VFR traffic" talking points. Do people on this site really know what they're talking about or are they just a bunch of clueless (and quite frankly, racist) armchair CEOs?


I’ve honestly stopped dignifying those posts with replies. A lot of those people have either never been to the country, or if they have, are more enamored of and exposed to the poorer parts for reasons that I will not speculate. Nobody takes the word of one of our most trusted sources that DL is cannibalizing KE entitlements to maintain online ICN-MNL service, and they think that DL kept MNL online over SIN because they’re doing KE a favor.

In any case, PAL launching SEA in such short notice to me is one sign that DL was indeed scoping SEA-MNL nonstop, and this is PAL’s way of discouraging them, like when Air New Zealand was ready to fly AKL-MNL but PAL decided to beat them to the punch.

As it stands, DL is the only one of the US3 that isn’t shut out of MNL because of the slot situation. And PAL has tried to court DL in the past to get a codeshare agreement. If PAL decides to partner with AS, that would also indicate a change in direction.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:49 pm

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Neither San Miguel nor DOTr announced that the groundbreaking is scheduled on the 15th. Well, failed PR again from the two, especially the latter that gives us intolerable ballyhoo.

In any case, it's more that can be said than the Magnificent 7's NAIA modernization project :alert: Even if those were just (in local parlance) "puro drowing lang" :!:


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It’s somewhat true. There’s comparatively few high power business ties between the country and the rest of Asia with direct links to the US homeland. Yields to countries not Korea, Japan or Singapore are trash because of the capacity that the Chinese airlines have brought and much much cheaper tickets. The US3 will never fly direct to the Philippines because they don’t want to compete with PALs established flights and they don’t want to compete with other Asian airlines that offer better prices and/or service with one stop.

Or they are angling for more concessions. :spin: Look at it this way -- it's less competition for PAL. El Kapitan could be smiling on the way to his bank! :smile: Mixed bag if the Chinese carriers would also eschew the country as they do bring in tourists and keep fares grounded. :down:


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A lot of those people have either never been to the country, or if they have, are more enamored of and exposed to the poorer parts for reasons that I will not speculate.

It's quite an effort for them to ignore the situation especially when confronted by extremely contrasting images of widespread poverty and concentrated wealth.

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Nobody takes the word of one of our most trusted sources that DL is cannibalizing KE entitlements to maintain online ICN-MNL service, and they think that DL kept MNL online over SIN because they’re doing KE a favor.

In any case, PAL launching SEA in such short notice to me is one sign that DL was indeed scoping SEA-MNL nonstop, and this is PAL’s way of discouraging them

In the DL ICN-MNL thread, no one reacted to my comment suggesting that DL might launch nonstop service to MNL from SEA despite the latter not being their stronger hub. Maybe DL will be more amenable to codesharing with PR this time around as a means to an end, minus the hassle of deploying their own metal on a direct flight :?: I wonder if Seattle's Best would be the hot beverage onboard PR's A359 when they actually start that route..... :coffee: :cheerful:
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:41 pm

I thought that DL was using ICN-MNL with the KE JV to get around maxed out bilaterals and otherwise would be on KE metal.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:27 pm

FT15 wrote:
Is anyone else here getting fed up with all the negativity towards the Philippines here on A.net? PR's upcoming CEB-LAX and MNL-SEA flights are being discussed in another thread and as usual, the responses are quite negative with the usual "trash yields" and "VFR traffic" talking points. Do people on this site really know what they're talking about or are they just a bunch of clueless (and quite frankly, racist) armchair CEOs?


It's not just the Philippines that's being attacked this way but pretty much all of Southeast Asia apart from Singapore. They even call countries such as Thailand, Vietnam, or Malaysia "low-yielding VFR markets", never mind the fact that all three countries are huge manufacturing states with many business links to the rest of the world, or how Kuala Lumpur is to some extent a financial hub as well. Sometimes it feels like A.net views on Southeast Asia are very Western-centric and paint a very outdated picture of the region, never mind the fact that ASEAN is one of the world's largest markets and is one of the fastest growing regions in the world.

LurveBus wrote:
Nobody takes the word of one of our most trusted sources that DL is cannibalizing KE entitlements to maintain online ICN-MNL service, and they think that DL kept MNL online over SIN because they’re doing KE a favor.

In any case, PAL launching SEA in such short notice to me is one sign that DL was indeed scoping SEA-MNL nonstop, and this is PAL’s way of discouraging them

In the DL ICN-MNL thread, no one reacted to my comment suggesting that DL might launch nonstop service to MNL from SEA despite the latter not being their stronger hub. Maybe DL will be more amenable to codesharing with PR this time around as a means to an end, minus the hassle of deploying their own metal on a direct flight :?: I wonder if Seattle's Best would be the hot beverage onboard PR's A359 when they actually start that route..... :coffee: :cheerful:[/quote]

I thought there was some kind of law or policy that prohibits PR from codesharing on flights operated by American carriers? Or was that only specifically non-stop RP-US service?
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:15 am

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Is anyone else here getting fed up with all the negativity towards the Philippines here on A.net? PR's upcoming CEB-LAX and MNL-SEA flights are being discussed in another thread and as usual, the responses are quite negative with the usual "trash yields" and "VFR traffic" talking points. Do people on this site really know what they're talking about or are they just a bunch of clueless (and quite frankly, racist) armchair CEOs?


It's not just the Philippines that's being attacked this way but pretty much all of Southeast Asia apart from Singapore. They even call countries such as Thailand, Vietnam, or Malaysia "low-yielding VFR markets", never mind the fact that all three countries are huge manufacturing states with many business links to the rest of the world, or how Kuala Lumpur is to some extent a financial hub as well. Sometimes it feels like A.net views on Southeast Asia are very Western-centric and paint a very outdated picture of the region, never mind the fact that ASEAN is one of the world's largest markets and is one of the fastest growing regions in the world.


I may not know every little machination of the market, but in the 7 years I worked in a Filipino owned travel agency in San Francisco I learned a few things, Filipinos will book at another agency to save $5, that dedication to selling bulk air tickets for less than a $20 mark-up just to compete with the next agency willing to take $15. It's margins are notoriously slim & that has not changed one bit in the decade.

It always was the most price sensitive destination we booked. It is easy to get there with BR, CI, OZ & the multitude of other carriers that offer a option. Many of our VFR clients would ask for PR rates, but rarely took the flight, at that time it was a GUM or HNL stop. They would go on about all the bilikbayan (sp?) boxes & the grueling journey on the A-340's with the fuel stop.

I honestly never saw it as racist or any bash of the people that flew the route. I saw it as an over abundance of Mom & Pop Filipino owned agencies all trying to sell the daily PR flight, with the same wholesalers are willing to take the very small mark-ups. IATA figures an average $30 cost for an agency or airline to issue a ticket & invoice.

Personally I think PR will do well in SEA & with this route. I would fly it & likely will this next year (especially if they team with AS) when we go to visit my old bosses at their place in the Philippines & it would be our first trip there, we're both very excited to go & see some of the country.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 1:43 am

filipinoavgeek wrote:
I thought there was some kind of law or policy that prohibits PR from codesharing on flights operated by American carriers? Or was that only specifically non-stop RP-US service?

I'm not aware of such a restriction. (BTW, you missed the front 'quote' brackets.) :smile:
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:05 am

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filipinoavgeek wrote:
I thought there was some kind of law or policy that prohibits PR from codesharing on flights operated by American carriers? Or was that only specifically non-stop RP-US service?

I'm not aware of such a restriction. (BTW, you missed the front 'quote' brackets.) :smile:


I vaguely recall hearing something about that before on this forum, which was apparently why no US carrier codeshares on PR's PH-US flights. No idea how accurate it is considering PR does codeshare with an American airline (Hawaiian, albeit only on intra-Hawaii routes).
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:08 pm

filipinoavgeek wrote:
I vaguely recall hearing something about that before on this forum, which was apparently why no US carrier codeshares on PR's PH-US flights. No idea how accurate it is considering PR does codeshare with an American airline (Hawaiian, albeit only on intra-Hawaii routes).

It might have had something to do with the country being in CAT II before, thus precluding Philippine carriers from doing what they could have otherwise done.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:13 am

United lobbying against PAL - PAL Express codeshare

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... ght=Manila
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:50 pm

Cambodian airline Lanmei Airlines is planning to inteoduce Manila flights

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ght=Manila
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:16 am

PAL Jan 7 international timetable now reflects CEB-LAX as "(Beginning May 2-UFN)." No MNL-SEA listing yet though.


Another notable thing is that the listing of the planned PALex MNL-GUM service now shows "Subject to government approval..."
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:17 am

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Cambodian airline Lanmei Airlines is planning to inteoduce Manila flights

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ght=Manila


Wonder if they'll use their own metal or borrow some Royal Air birds...
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:46 am

[quote="Philippine747"]From the same source as the CEB-LAX relaunch, PR to start MNL-SEA from May 2, 2020. Keep in mind there is no reliable confirmation for this.

Proposed schedule on the post was:

PR128 MNL-SEA 2245-1945 137 A359
PR129 SEA-MNL 2305-0335+2 137 A359

Big if true. Also note that SEA is a Delta hub and LAX got increased service (another DL hub)... Skyteam membership on the horizon?[/quote

Since CEB HAS A BRAND NEW TERMINAL why can't DL start SEA - CEB loads would be fill and no more MNL connections and would love too see DL metal all the way to CEB..
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:57 am

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Philippine747 wrote:
From the same source as the CEB-LAX relaunch, PR to start MNL-SEA from May 2, 2020. Keep in mind there is no reliable confirmation for this.

Proposed schedule on the post was:

PR128 MNL-SEA 2245-1945 137 A359
PR129 SEA-MNL 2305-0335+2 137 A359

Big if true. Also note that SEA is a Delta hub and LAX got increased service (another DL hub)... Skyteam membership on the horizon?[/quote

Since CEB HAS A BRAND NEW TERMINAL why can't DL start SEA - CEB loads would be fill and no more MNL connections and would love too see DL metal all the way to CEB..


No need, they already got the JV with KE to funnel pax through ICN. KE already has a morning ICN-CEB service in addition to the daily evening flight...
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Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:46 pm

b777900 wrote:
Since CEB HAS A BRAND NEW TERMINAL why can't DL start SEA - CEB loads would be fill and no more MNL connections and would love too see DL metal all the way to CEB..

Same reason DL does not fly to MNL nonstop...it'll be more expensive for them and there's no assurance that the loads would be better there... :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: ... from SkyScraperCity.....

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:00 pm

Reports below..... :thumbsup: .....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... completion

https://business.inquirer.net/286854/cl ... y-mid-2020


Although I'm not in favor of mothballing the other terminal... :thumbsdown: ...a lot of taxpayers' money was spent on that. It could be used for commercial turboprops and charter operations...or an FBO in the future.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:52 am

Quick look on PR's website shows CEB-LAX now open for reservation. Website indeed shows 77W, but may change in the days leading up to the launch.

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Another thing of note is that they confirm somewhat that Seattle will push through...

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:49 am

The DOTr expects to finish negotiations with the NAIA Consortium for the congested MNL airport's modernization within this month..... :crossfingers: .....

https://business.inquirer.net/287000/de ... this-month

Quote:
"He said the DOTr would cancel the unsolicited proposal and “offer it to parties and individuals that are ready to accept the terms and conditions of the government” if they fail to come to terms within January 2020.

A Naia Consortium spokesperson said there were no delays and they were moving toward finalizing the concession agreement."



I can imagine GMR-Megawide anxiously waiting at the sidelines. :stirthepot: This amidst Taal's growing restiveness..... :old: .....


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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:28 am

Devilfish wrote:
The DOTr expects to finish negotiations with the NAIA Consortium for the congested MNL airport's modernization within this month..... :crossfingers: .....

https://business.inquirer.net/287000/de ... this-month

Quote:
"He said the DOTr would cancel the unsolicited proposal and “offer it to parties and individuals that are ready to accept the terms and conditions of the government” if they fail to come to terms within January 2020.

A Naia Consortium spokesperson said there were no delays and they were moving toward finalizing the concession agreement."



I can imagine GMR-Megawide anxiously waiting at the sidelines. :stirthepot: This amidst Taal's growing restiveness..... :old: .....


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https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020 ... -ash-cloud


If Rao-Saavedra consortium enters the Swiss Challenge, they are like monopolizing the major airport projects here--from CEB T2, CRK T2 (construction only) and this, though i'll support that instead of NAIA oligarchs' proposal, lol.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:18 pm

With the groundbreaking happening in 2 days, I think SMC and DOTr should postpone it as RSA needs to attend on personal matters re Jomar Ang on hospital and PRRD and other government officials monitoring Taal Volcano.
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