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SkyHigher
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:10 am

Crybaby UA, everyone. MNL-SEA flight of PR may be put on hold.... :banghead:

https://business.inquirer.net/291768/un ... to-seattle

United Airlines is lobbying for the US Department of Transportation to put PAL’s expansion on hold until the American industry giant is given added slots in the busy Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Manila.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 04, 2020 2:00 pm

Devilfish wrote:
Just to clarify...would these flights use T2 or T4 at NAIA... or operate out of SGL :?:

Timetable lists these flights as T2 departures and arrivals...

Just noticed also, but the 28 February timetable lists a lot of "Until March 11" on selected flights on CRK-USU/BSO/IAO...
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:44 am

filipinoavgeek wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
Once the COVID-19 scare wanes, PAL might continue the next round of fleet modernization or they should focus on SGL in which PAL is planned to become part of the local consortium to be organized by El Kapitan.

That may be easier said than done...2019 proved to be an extraordinarily tough year for PAL.....

https://business.inquirer.net/291642/pa ... hit-p10-6b

Quote:
"Philippine Airlines recorded the biggest loss in its corporate history last year due to what its chief described as 'unsustainable long-term debt and lease obligations [in] billions of US dollars,' aggravated by the Taal volcano eruption and the ongoing COVID-19 crisis.

In a letter sent to the flag carrier’s employees last week, president and COO Gilbert Santa Maria said PAL had sustained a net loss of $208 million in 2019 —equivalent to P10.6 billion at the prevailing exchange rate— and marking the third consecutive year of losses for the Lucio Tan-owned firm."



Apparently, the increase in paid-up capital reported upthread ostensibly to finance their fleet modernization was merely a smokescreen for its real purpose.....

Quote:
"Last week, PAL’s board also approved an increase in the airline’s authorized capital stock from P13 billion to P30 billion —a prelude to 'the infusion of fresh capital to help bolster our debt position and buy us time,' the airline chief said.

Sources told the Inquirer that the company’s owners had been actively scouting for a white knight to shore up the airline’s capital, although no firm buyer has yet been identified."



Might we see LTG divesting its airline interests to focus on the airport business? :scratchchin:


Not as long as he's still alive. Lucio Tan is famous in the business for loving PAL, hence why he bought it back from RSA in the first place. If his group has any intentions of selling off PAL (which IIRC is not on the table right now), it won't be until after he dies at the earliest.

Also, what percentage of PAL's fleet are leased? I know most if not almost all of their 777s are leased, what about their others? I assume that the leases are a major reason for their heavy losses.

Finally, the coronavirus is really a massive blow to PAL but also to CebPac, much of their business comes from China flights. And now with the Korea travel ban, things are going to be even more difficult.


Afaik, leases are supposed to be minimizing costs vs purchasing an entire aircraft, pls correct me if ever. PAL has lost 10billion in the past 3 years I think because of a huge family fighting over their own interests
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:31 pm

SkyHigher wrote:
Crybaby UA, everyone. MNL-SEA flight of PR may be put on hold.... :banghead:

https://business.inquirer.net/291768/un ... to-seattle

I think all this rumor about UA wanting the slots for either SFO or GUM is a just a red herring to divert attention from its real intent.....


.....especially now with COVID-19 outbreak..... :ill: :scared:


Presently, KU has suspended flights to some Asian countries including the Philippines.....

https://globalnation.inquirer.net/18597 ... rus-threat

I doubt we would see this in the country even after the epidemic recedes.....

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What with the impropriety probe ongoing.....

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airb ... SKBN20D1O7



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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:05 pm

MVP's MPIC leaves the oligarch-led NAIA Consortium.

https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/money/c ... bid/story/

In a regulatory filing, the Pangilinan-led company said it has already informed other members of the NAIA Consortium of its plan to withdraw from the group.

"(We) have since advised our consortium partners of our intent to withdraw from this project," the disclosure read.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:09 pm

SkyHigher wrote:
Crybaby UA, everyone. MNL-SEA flight of PR may be put on hold.... :banghead:

https://business.inquirer.net/291768/un ... to-seattle

United Airlines is lobbying for the US Department of Transportation to put PAL’s expansion on hold until the American industry giant is given added slots in the busy Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Manila.


Crybaby, UA? Are you serious!? I take UA’s side on this. I’m sure if PAL was denied expansion at LAX and SFO and denied entry to JFK, PAL will be the first to cry foul and get the Philippine Government to intervene. PAL needs to play at a level playing field.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:42 pm

J343 wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
Crybaby UA, everyone. MNL-SEA flight of PR may be put on hold.... :banghead:

https://business.inquirer.net/291768/un ... to-seattle

United Airlines is lobbying for the US Department of Transportation to put PAL’s expansion on hold until the American industry giant is given added slots in the busy Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Manila.


Crybaby, UA? Are you serious!? I take UA’s side on this. I’m sure if PAL was denied expansion at LAX and SFO and denied entry to JFK, PAL will be the first to cry foul and get the Philippine Government to intervene. PAL needs to play at a level playing field.


Greetings everyone,

Sad to say, I totally agree, PAL have ro play fair on this one.

Good luck to all during this difficult aviation climate. We will survive it.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:01 pm

Meanwhile, Qatar Airways' resumption to CEB has been pushed from 08APR to 03JUN.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:11 am

SkyHigher wrote:
MVP's MPIC leaves the oligarch-led NAIA Consortium.

It's a good thing that CRK T2 is almost done...it can take some of the load off of NAIA in the meantime. They just have to get cracking on the new parallel runway for CRK to be a truly good alternative airport.....

From SkyscraperCity..... :camera: .....

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Now, I wonder if the DOTr would really set aside the NAIA Rehab OPS after their announced deadline and start a new Swiss challenge? :stirthepot:



Meanwhile, a few more pictures from the BIA construction..... :camera: .....

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intaJET wrote:
Sad to say, I totally agree, PAL have ro play fair on this one.

A little background information.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... -tree.html
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:31 am

Devilfish wrote:
It's a good thing that CRK T2 is almost done...it can take some of the load off of NAIA in the meantime. They just have to get cracking on the new parallel runway for CRK to be a truly good alternative airport.....


This is something I am curious about and would like to understand the reasoning around.
In what way is Clark a good alternative and what load can it take away, feasibly, from NAIA? I mean what airline would want to expand their presence at Clark instead of NAIA?
I am not sure I see the ability for Clark to grow much.
There is already decent service to the provinces. There is some OFW traffic to key destinations (Middle east and Sg, HK etc) and there are the 'barmonger express' to Korea. Is there demand for much more?

Genuinely interested in the reply as I try to understand why some corporate entities in Philippines manicly push Clark and its area for everything and offer deals that are extremely advantageous for foreign companies, yet struggle to get traction outside the Chinese market.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:51 am

Devilfish.....Thank you for the article link. Very informative and well written.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:25 am

MillwallSean wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
It's a good thing that CRK T2 is almost done...it can take some of the load off of NAIA in the meantime. They just have to get cracking on the new parallel runway for CRK to be a truly good alternative airport.....


This is something I am curious about and would like to understand the reasoning around.
In what way is Clark a good alternative and what load can it take away, feasibly, from NAIA? I mean what airline would want to expand their presence at Clark instead of NAIA?
I am not sure I see the ability for Clark to grow much.
There is already decent service to the provinces. There is some OFW traffic to key destinations (Middle east and Sg, HK etc) and there are the 'barmonger express' to Korea. Is there demand for much more?

Genuinely interested in the reply as I try to understand why some corporate entities in Philippines manicly push Clark and its area for everything and offer deals that are extremely advantageous for foreign companies, yet struggle to get traction outside the Chinese market.


It's a fairly complicated situation, with politics and regionalism involved (note that many of Clark's biggest proponents, both in politics and in online communities such as SkyscraperCity, are from Pampanga or other nearby provinces, the infighting over where to build the NAIA replacement/alternative is one of the major challenges in Philippine aviation). Basically, most of the traffic to Clark is mainly not because of local demand, but because NAIA slots are lacking and thus carriers are forced to serve the nearest suitable airport (which is Clark). The Korea flights are somewhat sustainable because the area is home to a sizable Korean expat community, not sure about the other flights (I think PR are struggling with their Clark flights and are considering moving some to the new Sangley Airport, which is to the south of Manila and much nearer; they're already moving some of their turboprop flights back to NAIA).

The issue with that, contrary to the beliefs of many of its proponents in SSC and elsewhere, Clark is simply too far from Manila to be the main replacement. The airport is about 90-100 kilometers from most parts of Manila, a distance that many would rather avoid. For comparison, Malpensa is about 50 kilometers from Milan and Narita is about 60 kilometers from Tokyo, and those airports are already considered to be too far and to inconvenient in certain cases (hence the growth and expansion at Haneda, or why Linate is preferred by many). Although a rail line is currently being constructed that will connect Manila to the airport, considering the poor state of Manila's public transport, that can only do so much. Personally (and I think many will disagree with me here), but I think Clark's proponents should really just give up on it becoming the alternative to NAIA and instead focus on a niche where it will likely have more success: as the gateway to Central and Northern Luzon as well as to the under-construction New Clark City. If they want to shut down NAIA (a sentiment that's very popular in SSC, particularly among Clark proponents), that will really only be feasible if either the full Sangley Airport plan or Bulacan Airport are built.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:57 pm

MillwallSean wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
It's a good thing that CRK T2 is almost done...it can take some of the load off of NAIA in the meantime. They just have to get cracking on the new parallel runway for CRK to be a truly good alternative airport.....


This is something I am curious about and would like to understand the reasoning around.
In what way is Clark a good alternative and what load can it take away, feasibly, from NAIA? I mean what airline would want to expand their presence at Clark instead of NAIA?
I am not sure I see the ability for Clark to grow much.
There is already decent service to the provinces. There is some OFW traffic to key destinations (Middle east and Sg, HK etc) and there are the 'barmonger express' to Korea. Is there demand for much more?

Genuinely interested in the reply as I try to understand why some corporate entities in Philippines manicly push Clark and its area for everything and offer deals that are extremely advantageous for foreign companies, yet struggle to get traction outside the Chinese market.


filipinoavgeek wrote:
If they want to shut down NAIA (a sentiment that's very popular in SSC, particularly among Clark proponents), that will really only be feasible if either the full Sangley Airport plan or Bulacan Airport are built.



Clark won't serve as a NAIA alternative for Manila in the long term. However, this is where its potential could come into play

A) There's the Pampanga Megalopolis plan, as well as the potential of developing the North

B) New international airports like Sangley or Bulacan take years to build, so with decent connections to Manila, such as the under-construction railway, Clark could be a band-aid alternative.

Then again, it's up to the hired experts and planners...
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:34 pm

MillwallSean wrote:
In what way is Clark a good alternative and what load can it take away, feasibly, from NAIA? I mean what airline would want to expand their presence at Clark instead of NAIA?
I am not sure I see the ability for Clark to grow much.

CRK is a good alternative simply because it's already there and just waiting to be finished...as opposed to other proposals which nobody is sure when those would start and be completed. It's ability to grow is evident by the secure, vast open area ready for construction, and the road and rail projects already ongoing. As to airlines, basically those who cannot any longer afford to lose more money circling over MNL endlessly and putting up with the inadequate facilities there...or those who for some reason or another, need to have a presence in the country. CRK is not an ideal solution but that is what we'll likely have in the short term, or horrors -- indefinitely :!:

MillwallSean wrote:
There is already decent service to the provinces. There is some OFW traffic to key destinations (Middle east and Sg, HK etc) and there are the 'barmonger express' to Korea. Is there demand for much more?

With the fast growing population and economy, traffic that will bypass MNL is bound to expand as well. Threats to that could be the present virus problem and a resulting recession should it persist. But these would be far more trouble for a green-airfield or brown-water airport project built up from scratch.

MillwallSean wrote:
Genuinely interested in the reply as I try to understand why some corporate entities in Philippines manicly push Clark and its area for everything and offer deals that are extremely advantageous for foreign companies, yet struggle to get traction outside the Chinese market.

Some entrenched business interests are strongly pushing for a move to Clark because they are eyeing NAIA as a golden prize for their high end developments.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:43 pm

Meanwhile it's just been announced that flights to and from Manila will be temporarily suspended beginning midnight of March 15; can't remember if it's all flights or only domestic or international ones.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:07 pm

Looks like it's both domestic flights and sea (quite popular in RP) arrivals. Schools etc closed for a month and quarantine lock downs in Manila (apprx. 25million, one of the worlds largest cities). This is a Breaking News situation, so expect further details to be forthcoming.

filipinoavgeek wrote:
Meanwhile it's just been announced that flights to and from Manila will be temporarily suspended beginning midnight of March 15; can't remember if it's all flights or only domestic or international ones.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:27 pm

filipinoavgeek wrote:
Meanwhile it's just been announced that flights to and from Manila will be temporarily suspended beginning midnight of March 15; can't remember if it's all flights or only domestic or international ones.


Domestic travel ban only whether by land, air or sea. The Philippine government is ok if you are in Manila and want to go to another country.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:52 pm

Cebu Provincial Government to prohibit entry of airline passengers from CGY, CRK, DGT and LGP. Order is effective immediately and will last for 30 days, but flights still operated tonight, 14 March, to DGT (DG) and CGY (2P/5J).

https://www.rappler.com/nation/254539-c ... oronavirus
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:10 pm

airlineaddict wrote:
filipinoavgeek wrote:
Meanwhile it's just been announced that flights to and from Manila will be temporarily suspended beginning midnight of March 15; can't remember if it's all flights or only domestic or international ones.


Domestic travel ban only whether by land, air or sea. The Philippine government is ok if you are in Manila and want to go to another country.


My summary of the situation is that aviation is now divisible into 3 separate blocks :

Domestic service excluding MNL { and any other routes banned by freelancing provincial governors }
International service to MNL
International service to any provincial airport

However,the latter two categories get another hammer blow. The additional restrictions to be included in the Executive Order are a real killer. The basic restriction was reported by IIRC the Manila Times and a vlogger who used screen captures from Rappler.com ,so he has evidence to support.'"The Philippines will enforce a ban on travellers from countries with confirmed localized transmissions of the novel coronavirus,except for Filipino citizens" and a few,quite small other groups.The sources differ in the number of countries this covers, but Rappler's WHO list covers much of the world, excluding virtually all of Africa and the Stans.

What credence you put on these sources is up to you, but it appears that international flying will be reliant on Filipinos flying either to MNL or somewhere in the provinces. Neither group strikes me as being large enough to support much service. As this will blow a large hole in PAL's already battered finances, it will be interesting to see Lucio Tan's { and Lance Gokongwei at Cebu Pacific } response. I would not be surprised to see something being rowed back - it has happened before between Presidential statement and Presidential action.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:26 pm

Concern has been raised about the possible dissolution of the NAIA Consortium..... :crackup: .....

https://opinion.inquirer.net/128052/off ... port-plans


So while the DOTr boss is upbeat that there's still the Tenacious Six left to pursue the NAIA Rehab Project, no final agreement nor any fixed start date has been announced.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... ic-pullout


:scared: And with the COVID-19 scare, neither is there an assurance that an announcement would be forthcoming soon :alert:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:09 am

Devilfish wrote:
Concern has been raised about the possible dissolution of the NAIA Consortium..... :crackup: .....

https://opinion.inquirer.net/128052/off ... port-plans


So while the DOTr boss is upbeat that there's still the Tenacious Six left to pursue the NAIA Rehab Project, no final agreement nor any fixed start date has been announced.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... ic-pullout


:scared: And with the COVID-19 scare, neither is there an assurance that an announcement would be forthcoming soon :alert:


Much better if this Tenacious Six Oligarchs' NAIA Rehab scrapped and re-bid it to others thru the crappy PPP system - GMR-Megawide might wave again. :wave:

And provide facilities or infra by adding more trees for gradual conversion into a large park ala Central Park - a prelude to the possible closure of NAIA in the future in favor of either San Miguel's NMIA or El Kapitan's/CCCC's SGL.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:51 pm

SkyHigher wrote:
Much better if this Tenacious Six Oligarchs' NAIA Rehab scrapped and re-bid it to others thru the crappy PPP system - GMR-Megawide might wave again. :wave:

Considering their recently strengthened alliance with AdP, I guess that GMR would be very interested in getting a second shot at NAIA. :hyper:

SkyHigher wrote:
And provide facilities or infra by adding more trees for gradual conversion into a large park ala Central Park - a prelude to the possible closure of NAIA in the future in favor of either San Miguel's NMIA or El Kapitan's/CCCC's SGL.

With the uncertainties unleashed by COVID-19, investors, airport operators, airlines (and to a lesser extent) the government, would likely bide their time to take stock of the situation until the crisis subsides before proceeding with any decision.



And now, Flightglobal has more publicly aired PR's intention of launching nonstop air services between MNL and SEA..... :airplane: .....

https://www.flightglobal.com/networks/p ... 80.article
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:20 pm

Devilfish wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
Much better if this Tenacious Six Oligarchs' NAIA Rehab scrapped and re-bid it to others thru the crappy PPP system - GMR-Megawide might wave again. :wave:

Considering their recently strengthened alliance with AdP, I guess that GMR would be very interested in getting a second shot at NAIA. :hyper:


Not a simple alliance but because AdP now owns 49% of GMR. Regardless of AdP's involvement in NMIA, it would be really exciting if GMR-Megawide will be given another chance to propose this to DOTr or the latter will invite them.

SkyHigher wrote:
And provide facilities or infra by adding more trees for gradual conversion into a large park ala Central Park - a prelude to the possible closure of NAIA in the future in favor of either San Miguel's NMIA or El Kapitan's/CCCC's SGL.

With the uncertainties unleashed by COVID-19, investors, airport operators, airlines (and to a lesser extent) the government, would likely bide their time to take stock of the situation until the crisis subsides before proceeding with any decision.[/quote]

I understand that these proposals must be set aside in the meantime, while all airlines, airports and the government is focused on the effects of COVID-19 pandemic, especially that Luzon is currently under "Enhanced Community Quarantine" or total lockdown until Easter and expanded air travel restrictions - closing all airports in Luzon by Thursday.

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020 ... quarantine

Restricted land, air and sea travel
Outbound passengers can still push through with travel plans within the next 72 hours since the declaration of the enhanced quarantine, that is until Thursday, March 19.

Inbound passengers who are in transit will still be allowed entry but will be subject to quarantine procedures if coming from countries covered by the travel restrictions.

Inbound Filipino citizens and holders of permanent resident visas will also still be allowed entry. They should also expect to be subject to quarantine procedures if coming from countries heavily affected by the outbreak.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:39 pm

Cebu Pacific will suspend flights from March 19 (where all Luzon airports will be closed re Enhanced Community Quarantine/Lockdown) to April 14.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 2916677659
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:02 pm

So...could this be part of the reason why UA is blocking PR's application to serve SEA?..... :airplane: .....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1443073




But apart from the unfortunate timing, SEA is not among the cities listed on the joint codeshare application. And what could be its ramification on ANA and PAL's partnership? :scratchchin:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:02 am

Devilfish wrote:
So...could this be part of the reason why UA is blocking PR's application to serve SEA?..... :airplane: .....

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1443073




But apart from the unfortunate timing, SEA is not among the cities listed on the joint codeshare application. And what could be its ramification on ANA and PAL's partnership? :scratchchin:


That could possibly be one the reason why UA is whining on PR's proposed MNL-SEA route. But this codeshare agreement between PR and AA, that would also pave the way for the former, as the other forum suggest their long-awaiting entry into Oneworld. But I don't think it will impact NH that much, given that they own 9.5% of the Philippines' air flag carrier and won't lure them to join Star Alliance. Take VN as an example, NH owns 8.8% of the former and their membership to Skyteam did not have any impact.

On the other hand, 2 LH B748 are in MNL for repatriation of Germans re Luzon Enhanced Community Quarantine / Lockdown. The 72-hour grace period imposed last Monday to allow all pax to leave MNL and CRK, eventually leading to shut down of all Luzon airports by Thursday was lifted.

https://businessmirror.com.ph/2020/03/1 ... lth-staff/
In an advisory, the agency said the 72-hour window for international flights has been lifted. This means that any person, except Filipinos flying out for tourism purposes, will be allowed to fly out of the airports in Luzon at any time.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:16 am

SkyHigher wrote:
But this codeshare agreement between PR and AA, that would also pave the way for the former, as the other forum suggest their long-awaiting entry into Oneworld. But I don't think it will impact NH that much, given that they own 9.5% of the Philippines' air flag carrier and won't lure them to join Star Alliance. Take VN as an example, NH owns 8.8% of the former and their membership to Skyteam did not have any impact.


Difference of course is that Oneworld is the alliance of NH's rival JAL, so I'm not sure if NH would allow PR to join Oneworld without divesting their stake.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 21, 2020 2:40 pm

PR's 77W (RP-C7773) that was ferried to VCV for maintenance a while back has immediately returned to service, taking over RP-C7772's return leg from LAX, landing back in MNL a couple of hours ago. RP-C7772 was ferried LAX-VCV earlier this morning.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 21, 2020 2:41 pm

Some interesting information on aircraft movements of PR and 5J in view of the COVID-19 situation, as of 21 Mar 20 10PM...

Philippine Airlines:
  1. Their 77Ws are the most active in their fleet, all 10 have flown transpacific in the last 24 hours (inc. the aforementioned ferry flight to VCV).
  2. A359: 3 of 6 have been active in the last 24 hours, with the other 3 parked in MNL.
  3. A333: Only 4 of 15 A333s have flown commercially in the last 24 hours. 8 parked in MNL, 3 in CRK.
  4. A321neo: 8 of 8 parked in MNL.
  5. A321ceo: 9 of 24 are active in the last 24 hours (6 in MNL, 2 in CEB, 1 outstation). 10 parked in MNL, 1 in CRK, 4 in CEB.
  6. A320: Only 3 of 15 were active (MNL) in the last 24 hours. 10 parked in MNL, 2 in CRK.

Cebu Pacific
    - Flight operations suspended on 19 March 2020.
    - Last international flight: SGN-MNL on an A320.
    - Last domestic (and overall) flight: BCD-CRK on an A320.
  1. A333: All eight (8) parked in MNL.
  2. A321neo: 3 of 4 in MNL, 1 in CRK.
  3. A320neo: 4 of 5 in MNL, 1 in CRK.
  4. A321ceo: 6 of 8 in MNL, 2 in CRK.
  5. A320ceo: 12 of 29 in MNL, 10 in CRK, 6 in CEB, 1 in ZAM.

On the ground between PR and 5J:
MNL
    60 - A320 series
    18 - A330
    3 - A350
    5 - 777
CRK
    17 - A320 series
    3 - A330 series
CEB
    12 - A320 series
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:49 pm

carlokiii wrote:
PR's 77W (RP-C7773) that was ferried to VCV for maintenance a while back has immediately returned to service, taking over RP-C7772's return leg from LAX, landing back in MNL a couple of hours ago. RP-C7772 was ferried LAX-VCV earlier this morning.

I wonder why they didn't do the maintenance work at LTP? Was it for heavy checks that LTP is somehow not qualified for...or for complete cabin refurbishments?

carlokiii wrote:
Philippine Airlines:

Their 77Ws are the most active in their fleet, all 10 have flown transpacific in the last 24 hours (inc. the aforementioned ferry flight to VCV).
A359: 3 of 6 have been active in the last 24 hours, with the other 3 parked in MNL.

Doubtless to expedite the repatriation of expats stranded in the country due to COVID-19...and to bring Filipinos home as well.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... al-flights

Quote:
"PAL said it would operate limited international services to and from Manila in response to the government’s call to help foreign tourists return home and OFWs fly back to their places of work.

PAL flights between Manila and Los Angeles, San Francisco, Honolulu, Toronto, Vancouver, New York, London Heathrow, Bangkok, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Tokyo Narita, Tokyo Haneda, Osaka Kansai, Nagoya, Fukuoka, and Guam will be operational until March 31."



From SkyscraperCity...the scene at CEB T1 with mostly foreigners impatiently waiting for their flights out...vacations cut short... :sun: .....

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:24 am

Devilfish wrote:
carlokiii wrote:
PR's 77W (RP-C7773) that was ferried to VCV for maintenance a while back has immediately returned to service, taking over RP-C7772's return leg from LAX, landing back in MNL a couple of hours ago. RP-C7772 was ferried LAX-VCV earlier this morning.

I wonder why they didn't do the maintenance work at LTP? Was it for heavy checks that LTP is somehow not qualified for...or for complete cabin refurbishments?


The reason why some 77Ws of PAL are ferried to VCV over the past months, they will have Boeing's Performance Improvement Package 2.0 for 777, which they signed September last year, per CAPA's article.

https://centreforaviation.com/news/boei ... nes-941125

The PIP modification cannot be done in LTP in MNL because crews there will undergo extensive training, the logistics, concerns on overwork, and the limited size of MRO facility, knowing that they maintain hundreds of jets of any size.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:34 pm

So how long can the airlines of Philippines survive this covid-19 situation? Is government bailout foreseen?
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:50 pm

SkyHigher wrote:
The reason why some 77Ws of PAL are ferried to VCV over the past months, they will have Boeing's Performance Improvement Package 2.0 for 777, which they signed September last year, per CAPA's article.

Thank you for the info. I was kind of hoping they'd do a cabin makeover to update the IFE and the look and feel of their older 77Ws. Guess that's asking for a lot, especially in these times.


DarQuiet wrote:
So how long can the airlines of Philippines survive this covid-19 situation? Is government bailout foreseen?

If anything, a bailout might actually hasten their downward spiral as Government would have an excuse to meddle in the airlines' affairs and put cronies in key positions, thus unnecessarily bloating the carriers' payrolls.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:29 pm

https://www.philippineairlines.com/en/a ... 24mar20-43

Philippine Airlines will be suspending all scheduled international flights starting 26 March 2020, effectively ending all scheduled flights of Philippine-based passenger airlines.

All scheduled domestic flights in the Philippines have been largely suspended by 17 March. Cebu Pacific has earlier suspended all flights last 19 March, followed by Philippine AirAsia last 20 March for international flights.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:59 pm

Update:
Estimated PR, 5J, Z2 aircraft on the ground:
MNL
    77 - A320 series
    14 - A330
    6 - A350
    8 - 777
CRK
    21 - A320 series
    8 - A330
CEB
    18 - A320 series


Online photos of parked aircraft in MNL:
(Photos not mine)

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-CTW0Jpv7Q ... mq0i4n1s7e
5J/Z2 A320s double stacked at the apron north of Terminal 3, Z2 A320s parked on RWY 31.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-HhZ4yHC_g ... fj39988x07
PR airliners squeezed at the North Taxiway Extension, more Z2 A320s along RWY 31 in the background.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-B9pfgpd55 ... 7saia1eub4
PR A320s lined up along RWY 31, with PR 77Ws and A359s parked at the Terminal 2B Remote Parking in the background.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:45 pm

A post in SkyscraperCity said the big reveal for the NAIA T2 Renovation would be within this month. With all the airline groundings, MIAA may have plenty of leeway for last minute detail checks before the soft opening for all airline operations. :point:

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:14 am

Effective March 28, NAIA will only operate at T1, effectively closing T2, T3 and T4 until the Enhanced Community Quarantine / lockdown ends or on a later date.

https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/na ... -28/story/

Starting 12:01 a.m. of March 28, 2020, the following airlines will be operating to and from NAIA Terminal 1:

Gulf Air
Korean Airlines
Asiana Airlines
China Airlines
Hong Kong Air
Eva Air
Japan Airlines
Jeju Air
All Nippon Airways
Cathay Pacific
Qatar Airways


WY already suspend its flights to MNL since the 26th while SQ and BI will follow on the 29th.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:17 pm

Rare airline-aircraft visitors recently:
CEB-FRA on Hi Fly (A339)
WAW-()-CEB/MNL on LOT (788)
MXP-MNL on Neos (789)
FCO-MNL on Neos (789)
DOH-CEB on QR (a lot of 77Ws)
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:07 pm

carlokiii wrote:
Rare airline-aircraft visitors recently:

Here's a table of recovery flights from SkyscraperCity.....

source: @MOALBOAL Tourism FB Page
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carlokiii wrote:
CEB-FRA on Hi Fly (A339)

Is this the first EU A330N to fly into the country?.....

source: @Jason Cabasa
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It's almost a year to the date when I quipped PR would take over KU's A338 order. A latter's visit to the country today may no longer be a joking matter..... :ill: :fever: :scared: .....

https://www.airbus.com/search.footage.h ... tage-all-1

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The demand is so great that Airbus has seen fit to dispatch an A330MRTT to continue the work.....

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... vid19.html



I therefore dial down my prediction which could wear the Love Bus nose art for this year's FOA edition to the other two A338s on order. :flamed:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:00 pm

filipinoavgeek wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
But this codeshare agreement between PR and AA, that would also pave the way for the former, as the other forum suggest their long-awaiting entry into Oneworld. But I don't think it will impact NH that much, given that they own 9.5% of the Philippines' air flag carrier and won't lure them to join Star Alliance. Take VN as an example, NH owns 8.8% of the former and their membership to Skyteam did not have any impact.


Difference of course is that Oneworld is the alliance of NH's rival JAL, so I'm not sure if NH would allow PR to join Oneworld without divesting their stake.


I wish people would stop speaking as if NH's paltry 9.5% investment gives them god-like powers over PR. They basically have no say in whether PR joins Oneworld or not.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:43 pm

Devilfish wrote:
Is this the first EU A330N to fly into the country?.....

A TAP A339 visited MNL during the A330neo promotional tour.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:09 am

filipinoavgeek wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
Is this the first EU A330N to fly into the country?.....

A TAP A339 visited MNL during the A330neo promotional tour.


Also, last week, when the Mormons chartered 5 Delta widebodies to fly its missionaries out of MNL, at least on oof them was an A330neo.

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:57 pm

A IAI 1124 Westwind owned by Lionair (gen av charter airline) crashed during take-off at MNL. RWY06/24 currently closed.

https://twitter.com/pursherrr/status/1244245225108692992?s=19
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:44 pm

filipinoavgeek wrote:
A TAP A339 visited MNL during the A330neo promotional tour.

Thank you for the reminder. I forgot having posted about it in a previous thread. :old:

LRB40 wrote:
Also, last week, when the Mormons chartered 5 Delta widebodies to fly its missionaries out of MNL, at least on oof them was an A330neo.

Nice to see a DL A339N in MNL. :wave:


SkyHigher wrote:
A IAI 1124 Westwind owned by Lionair (gen av charter airline) crashed during take-off at MNL. RWY06/24 currently closed.

:tombstone: R.I.P. to everyone who perished and prayers for their families. :pray:

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According to reports the FDA plane was on a medevac flight to HND. Closer scrutiny of charter operators in the country is due for review.

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:35 am

Devilfish wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
A IAI 1124 Westwind owned by Lionair (gen av charter airline) crashed during take-off at MNL. RWY06/24 currently closed.

:tombstone: R.I.P. to everyone who perished and prayers for their families. :pray:

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According to reports the FDA plane was on a medevac flight to HND. Closer scrutiny of charter operators in the country is due for review.



It's unclear if the patient onboard this Westwind when it crashed after take off is heading to Tokyo for treatment of COVID-19, since most hospitals are full and rejects new patients or for other medical illness. But yes, the Philippine Health Department (DOH) is currently renting aircraft from different private and commercial airlines including Lionair to deliver medical supplies like test kits, PPEs to other provinces.
 
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:09 am

NAIA's main runway has reopened..... :airplane: .....

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020 ... e-accident


However, the inevitable impact of the pandemic is now wreaking havoc on proponents' long-delayed implementation of their new airport projects..... :redflag: .....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... e-covid-19
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:09 pm

Local airlines are requesting assistance amid difficulties brought about by the COVID-19 pandemic..... :expressionless:

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... vival-acap


Thus it comes as a surprise to read that 5J seems better equipped to weather the challenges..... :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: .....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... ubles-2019




Meanwhile, CEB T2 these past few days had been particularly chaotic :crowded: from SkyscraperCity..... :camera: .....

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:34 am

Too bad there hasn't been much photos from spotters in MNL as it has been getting rare flights, like Austrian's 77E and Cambodia's A319 recently.

Looks like QR keeps getting repatriation flight requests, tons of 77Ws flights to MNL and CEB are still not enough, it appears an A380 is en route to CEB as well. https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR7511/244fa456

Hopefully those pictured stranded crowds in CEB significantly reduce after this.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:53 am

carlokiii wrote:
Too bad there hasn't been much photos from spotters in MNL as it has been getting rare flights, like Austrian's 77E and Cambodia's A319 recently.

Looks like QR keeps getting repatriation flight requests, tons of 77Ws flights to MNL and CEB are still not enough, it appears an A380 is en route to CEB as well. https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR7511/244fa456

Hopefully those pictured stranded crowds in CEB significantly reduce after this.


QTR7511 is currently descending over Thailand, seems to be heading for Bangkok :/
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:40 pm

carlokiii wrote:
Too bad there hasn't been much photos from spotters in MNL as it has been getting rare flights, like Austrian's 77E and Cambodia's A319 recently.

The spotters are most likely grounded by the ECQ as well. :boxedin: Likewise, photo updates of the construction at CRK T2 and the renovation at NAIA T2 have stopped appearing. :camera:

carlokiii wrote:
Looks like QR keeps getting repatriation flight requests, tons of 77Ws flights to MNL and CEB are still not enough, it appears an A380 is en route to CEB as well.

The repatriation flights seem to be mainly for stranded Europeans compared to mideast nationals...probably due to QR already having stations in-country, as opposed to the complications of chartering separate EU carriers -- which could've enabled QR to offer lower rates.


Philippine747 wrote:
QTR7511 is currently descending over Thailand, seems to be heading for Bangkok :/

Hmmn...that's odd. Is the flight allowed to unload regular pax at BKK and pick up CEB terminating pax as well as repatriates, then board stranded pax at CEB before heading back west to Europe?


This is three days late, but to lighten up the conversation, 5J should've had a slice of that cake..... :birthday: ... :cheerful: .....

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