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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 8:44 am

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PR or CAAP is probably reluctant to do so considering the PW's reliability...

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-BNE%2FSYD&MS=wls&DU=nm


Late reply, but I think it would still fall under the 60-minute rule... plenty of diversion airports along the way.

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This will be speculation on my part. But its safe to say that COVID-19/ECQ in Metro Manila will likely effect 5J fleet renewal plans. I won't be surprised if they will differ there first A339 to either the last quarter of 2021 or to early 2022. For the A21N I can see some will be differed to later date or possibly converted to either the A20N or A321XLR.

However the one I'm most intrested about is will social distancing effect the future configuration of 5J upcoming A20N, A21N and A339?

Probably not in the long term


Pretty sure they'd keep the existing config. Assuming all the middle seats are required to be blocked, they would still have significant narrow-body capacity compared to say PR/AirAsia.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 5:45 pm

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I'm glad that only returning residents, diplomats and dignitaries that hold PH passport are allowed to board flights bound to MNL, and not additional POGO workers from Mainland, lol.

Particularly if the latter were to benefit from the "Balik Probinsya" program..... :talktothehand:



PAL in 'survival' mode..... :worried:

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... e-pandemic


Latest PR advisory in connection with the COVID-19 situation..... :airplane:

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... 11may20-58
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 15, 2020 3:47 pm

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This will be speculation on my part. But its safe to say that COVID-19/ECQ in Metro Manila will likely effect 5J fleet renewal plans. I won't be surprised if they will differ there first A339 to either the last quarter of 2021 or to early 2022. For the A21N I can see some will be differed to later date or possibly converted to either the A20N or A321XLR.

5J is reviewing its fleet expansion plans.....

https://business.inquirer.net/297302/fa ... -big-plans

Quote:
"Cebu Pacific’s capital spen­ding is mainly for the acquisition of new planes. Gokongwei said they would pursue an 'overall review' of the firm’s long-term fleet plan.

'We will have a discussion with Airbus on how we [will] manage these airplanes and for the succeeding years,' he said, referring to aircraft deliveries this year and those on the pipeline.

From 76 planes today, Cebu Pacific has 61 plane deliveries until 2026 to upgrade its fleet and replace older jets. It earlier expected to have 88 planes by 2024 through a mix of A330 NEOs, A320NEOs and A321NEOs, A321 XLRs and ATR 72-600s.

Gokongwei said the review was part of broader talks with aircraft lessors, equipment manu­facturers and suppliers for 'commercial concessions and payment deferrals' as Cebu Pacific manages its balance sheet during the crisis."




Meanwhile, PAL just passed its seventh consecutive IATA OSA renewal.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... fety-audit

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... fety-audit
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 10:17 am

Although its uncertain if domestic flights will resume on May 31. Its mentioned in the artcle (link below), that when PAL are to reopen domestic flights out of MNL.

DVO, GES, ILO and IAO are among the first routes being considered since quarantine restrections in those area are being relax. However it will depend on the LGU of those cities if they will reopen there airports.

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... people-fly
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 1:08 pm

So what’s gonna happen to PAL then?

“In its 2019 annual report released only yesterday, PAL Holdings Inc., citing the coronavirus pandemic which has shut down global travel since March 2020, said: “A material uncertainty exists that may cast significant doubt on the Group’s (PAL) ability to continue as a going concern.””

https://bilyonaryo.com.ph/2020/05/20/lu ... -5-months/
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 5:39 pm

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So what’s gonna happen to PAL then?

Guess the 'best' that we could hope for is a 'rough' landing. Stockholders would be out to cash in their chips while they still can. There might be a figure lurking in the shadows waiting for a fire sale...although appetite for the troubled airline may be suspect considering the potential 'slim pickings'..... :indifferent:


This ties in with the unsolicited proposals for a new international gateway...who would be bold enough to push through with such a huge undertaking given the desperate climate the industry will face in the near term :?: Only the CRK T2 and NAIA T2 projects have a fighting chance of survival since both are already nearly finished. The whole NAIA Rehab Proposal is still hanging by a thread. As it is, the Sangley Airport has yet to commence commercial TP pax operations..... :airplane:

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Likely fallback would be to launch charter flights of AirSWIFT, Balesin Alphaland, etc. from SGL (Skyjet may not be too appealing).....



A more serious outcome is for the facility to revert to military use..... :spin:

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 6:19 pm

KLM to return to MNL from May 26, 2020:

KLM has been contracted by several shipping companies to repatriate Philippine sailors from around to world back to their families in the Philippines.
Due to the COVID crisis many sailors have remained on duty for weeks or months longer than initially planned.
Over 150.000 ships crews are currently waiting for repatriation worldwide.

The airline will launch special 4x weekly AMS-BKK-MNL-BKK-AMS flight to ensure Philippine crews are exchanged.
KLM will also repatriate Indonesians, Poles, Russians, Ukranians to their home countries.

Source: https://news.klm.com/airline-industry-s ... seafarers/
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 7:32 pm

DarQuiet wrote:
So what’s gonna happen to PAL then?

“In its 2019 annual report released only yesterday, PAL Holdings Inc., citing the coronavirus pandemic which has shut down global travel since March 2020, said: “A material uncertainty exists that may cast significant doubt on the Group’s (PAL) ability to continue as a going concern.””

https://bilyonaryo.com.ph/2020/05/20/lu ... -5-months/


How many companies worldwide across a swathe of industries could you say this about, without government assistance in some shape or form?
How long can Lucio Tan keep pumping money into PAL?
Although PAL would not be conventionally described as 'too big to fail',it is probably the highest profile company in one of the conglomerates that dominate the Philippine economy. If it were to collapse, the effect on confidence could be difficult to contain.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 9:26 pm

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KLM has been contracted by several shipping companies to repatriate Philippine sailors from around to world back to their families in the Philippines.

Will it be operated by a 77W?..... :stretch: .....


.....or this anew..... :?: .....

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factsonly wrote:
Due to the COVID crisis many sailors have remained on duty for weeks or months longer than initially planned.

Not very "encouraging"..... :scared: .....

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 10:46 am

DarQuiet wrote:
So what’s gonna happen to PAL then?

“In its 2019 annual report released only yesterday, PAL Holdings Inc., citing the coronavirus pandemic which has shut down global travel since March 2020, said: “A material uncertainty exists that may cast significant doubt on the Group’s (PAL) ability to continue as a going concern.””

https://bilyonaryo.com.ph/2020/05/20/lu ... -5-months/

El Kapitan has just avoided the (another) immediate bankruptcy of PAL, for now.

https://business.inquirer.net/297799/pa ... -in-p15-2b

Santa Maria told the ABS-CBN News Channel (ANC) on Thursday (May 21) that one-third of the capital infusion, or about P5 billion, was deployed this year to keep the airline afloat during the COVID-19 pandemic, which has grounded air travel.

“Without that liquidity, Philippine Airlines would probably not be here anymore,” Santa Maria said.

For now, PAL is “not in immediate danger of bankruptcy” but Santa Maria noted that prospects remained dim.


OTOH, one of PAL's 777-300ER flied to MIA from MNL non-stop with few pax (all-crew).

https://news.abs-cbn.com/ancx/culture/s ... arers-home

On a mission to fetch 347 Filipinos seafarers of the Royal Carribean Cruise Line, Philippine Airlines flew a direct flight from Manila to Miami yesterday. Making use of a Boeing 777 (RP-C7772) aircraft, the milestone flight was 16 hours and nine minutes long, traversing 9,316 miles.


Devilfish wrote:
factsonly wrote:
KLM has been contracted by several shipping companies to repatriate Philippine sailors from around to world back to their families in the Philippines.

Will it be operated by a 77W?..... :stretch: .....


.....or this anew..... :?: .....

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Most likely, it would still be 777-200ER or -300ER that are regularly deployed here, or maybe 787-9 or -10, subject to payload.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 1:09 pm

PAL sending an A359 on MNL-YVR-BGI. Just landed a few minutes ago as PR8116, opb RP-C3501.

ttps://www.auphilippines.com/2020/05/25 ... a-pal.html
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 3:04 pm

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PAL sending an A359 on MNL-YVR-BGI. Just landed a few minutes ago as PR8116, opb RP-C3501.

Another unique routing for PAL to repatriate OFWs from a cruise ship haven..... :sun: .....

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-YVR-BGI&DU=nm


Quite a way off the beaten track for PR's first, two-year old A359.....


....to where it usually flies..... :hyper: .....

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Wonder if it would fly eastward on its way home to ride the jetstream..... :scratchchin: .....

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=BGI-LHR-MNL&DU=nm



In connection with #206 above, don't know when this photo was taken, but it may be an accurate depiction of the prevailing situation..... :wideeyed:

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 2:30 am

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Wonder if it would fly eastward on its way home to ride the jetstream..... :scratchchin: .....

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=BGI-LHR-MNL&DU=nm


Well... it took the westbound route. Currently on the way home to MNL via LAX as PR8103.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 10:35 am

Devilfish wrote:
In connection with #206 above, don't know when this photo was taken, but it may be an accurate depiction of the prevailing situation..... :wideeyed:

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No, just a stock photo, the C5 Extension on the left side before E. Rodriguez Street (going to Moonwalk, Parañaque) didn't exist yet.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 1:22 pm

SkyHigher wrote:
El Kapitan has just avoided the (another) immediate bankruptcy of PAL, for now.

Apparently, PAL is now in "damage containment" mode after that pr miscue..... :shhh: :ziplip:

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/p ... 92.article

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... -personnel

Quote:
“For example, if we find out that we are going to need to return say 10 to 20 percent of our aircraft because demand just isn’t there – so we don’t have to pay rent, we’ll return the aircraft – well that means we’re going to have to reduce our flight crews and our cabin crews by similar amount because we will have fewer aircraft,” he said.


Philippine747 wrote:
Well... it took the westbound route. Currently on the way home to MNL via LAX as PR8103.

Thank you. Here's another special flight that bears watching.....

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... 21may20-60


SkyHigher wrote:
No, just a stock photo, the C5 Extension on the left side before E. Rodriguez Street (going to Moonwalk, Parañaque) didn't exist yet.

Sharp eyes.....thanks. :smile:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 2:06 pm

Quote:
“For example, if we find out that we are going to need to return say 10 to 20 percent of our aircraft because demand just isn’t there – so we don’t have to pay rent, we’ll return the aircraft – well that means we’re going to have to reduce our flight crews and our cabin crews by similar amount because we will have fewer aircraft,” he said.

If that's true, then the fleet will be reduced by 9-20 aircraft.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 5:07 am

KGarc21 wrote:
Quote:
“For example, if we find out that we are going to need to return say 10 to 20 percent of our aircraft because demand just isn’t there – so we don’t have to pay rent, we’ll return the aircraft – well that means we’re going to have to reduce our flight crews and our cabin crews by similar amount because we will have fewer aircraft,” he said.

If that's true, then the fleet will be reduced by 9-20 aircraft.


PAL Mainline fleet as of Feb 2020:

4 Airbus A320-200*
18 Airbus A321-200•
8 Airbus A321neo
15 Airbus A330-300•
6 Airbus A350-900
10 Boeing 777-300ER•
61 Total:

* Indicated either type will likely be removed from the fleet or is in the process of being retired.

• Indicated the number of frames will likely be reduced or downsized.

For mainline PAL all of there Airbus A320-200 are in the process of being returned to there lessors or in storage pending transfer to GAP (Aka: PAL Express), with the current crisis.
However it will likely be expedited.

I also see a downsizing of the Airbus A321ceo with between 3-4 frames being returned to there lessor with remainder if not most A321ceo will eventually be replaced by the Airbus A321neo.

For the Airbus A330-300 PAL will likely keeps its 8 Tri-class configured A333 since most have been recently refurbished. If any A333 are going to be retured back to there lessor its the 7 High-density A333 which are used in the middle east. I imagine between 3-5 frames could go while the remainder will eventually be refurbished to the Tri-class configuration for commonality and reduced to Available Seat Mile (ASM).

Being the largest aircrsft type in the fleet and almost exclusively being used for Trans-pacific flights to North America the Boeing 777-300ER is probaly the most affected aircraft in the fleet. I can see between 2-4 frames are likely going to be returned to there lessors. The exception of course will be the newer B77W (7778 to 7782) and those that recently underwent PIP. I also see the remaining 77W will eventually be refurbished either to aligin with 7778 to 7782 or a new cabin interior with a small Premium Economy cabin between Business and Economy section in fron of Doors 3 (Center).

All of this are own opinion of course will have to wait and see.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 4:44 pm

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All of this are own opinion of course will have to wait and see.

It is a reasonable projection actually. Although I seem to recall PR still has a few A320neo order outstanding ?
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 2:46 am

Devilfish wrote:
AB330 wrote:
All of this are own opinion of course will have to wait and see.

It is a reasonable projection actually. Although I seem to recall PR still has a few A320neo order outstanding ?


A320neo from what I can re-call PAL order books are for the larger A21N? And have so far not made any disclosure of any new orders like the A20N?

Unless PAL decided to revise its order books converting its remaining A21N to the smaller A20N or have defered the deliveries of the A21N and forwarded the A20N as an alternative is possible considering most Analysis forcast that it would take 2-3 years for demand to return to 2019 levels. And if PAL wanted to contiune maintaining frequency for regional flights within asia it would make sense to use smaller type like the A20N since it would be easier to fell (assuming social distancing isn't enforced), and once demand returns to 2019 levels replaced the A20N with the A21N in MNL and moved them to secondary hubs liked CEB and CRK.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 3:05 pm

Not much aviation-related but MCIA will be transformed into a COVID-19 testing laboratory, as Cebu is the current epicenter of the pandemic in the Philippines.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1279466/cebu-airport-to-build-covid-19-test-laboratory

The facility, which can process at least 900 reverse transcription-polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) tests per day, is expected to be completed in 15 days, or on the first week of June, said Andrew Harrison, chief executive advisor of the GMR-Megawide Cebu Airport Corporation (GMCAC) operates the MCIA.

Harrison said MCIA’s laboratory can process more than the Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Manila, which could test only around 400 persons per day.

MCIA’s laboratory, he said, would be equipped with state-of-the-art facilities, where results of the RT-PCR tests are available after 24 hours.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 12:29 am

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A320neo from what I can re-call PAL order books are for the larger A21N? And have so far not made any disclosure of any new orders like the A20N?

Thanks, my bad...I confused it with 5J's orders. :embarrassed2: On a side note, A20N might be construed as the A220. :smile:


SkyHigher wrote:
Not much aviation-related but MCIA will be transformed into a COVID-19 testing laboratory, as Cebu is the current epicenter of the pandemic in the Philippines.

In connection with that, LTG has also contributed a biomed test lab in Batangas City to help in the fight against COVID-19. Hopefully, the old airport terminals that were to be replaced (like in Bicol and Tagbilaran) would be converted into medical centers to augment the country's number of treatment facilities, especially in the provinces.

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020 ... -red-cross

This as media wonders about El Kapitan's cash infusion into his beleaguered airline..... :scratchchin: .....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... l-infusion



Any interior photo updates on LIPAD's CRK T2 :?: International airline operations might resume gradually any month now...it has to be ready by then to absorb the influx of flights and passengers. :crowded:
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Mon May 25, 2020 1:05 am

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And while we're at it, how goes NAIA T2's renovation works :?:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 8:25 am

Devilfish wrote:
AB330 wrote:
A320neo from what I can re-call PAL order books are for the larger A21N? And have so far not made any disclosure of any new orders like the A20N?

Thanks, my bad...I confused it with 5J's orders. :embarrassed2: On a side note, A20N might be construed as the A220. :smile:


Yeah the A20N Designation for the A320neo can confused some for the A220neo :roll:

As for the fessibilty of the A320neo I won't be surprised that if PAL those placed an order. It will likely go to GAP while PAL will have the A321neo as its smallest type in the fleet. However this debacle with COVID can ruin a fleet planners day :cry2:

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