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Philippine747
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 8:44 am

Devilfish wrote:
Philippine747 wrote:
PR or CAAP is probably reluctant to do so considering the PW's reliability...

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-BNE%2FSYD&MS=wls&DU=nm


Late reply, but I think it would still fall under the 60-minute rule... plenty of diversion airports along the way.

AB330 wrote:
This will be speculation on my part. But its safe to say that COVID-19/ECQ in Metro Manila will likely effect 5J fleet renewal plans. I won't be surprised if they will differ there first A339 to either the last quarter of 2021 or to early 2022. For the A21N I can see some will be differed to later date or possibly converted to either the A20N or A321XLR.

However the one I'm most intrested about is will social distancing effect the future configuration of 5J upcoming A20N, A21N and A339?

Probably not in the long term


Pretty sure they'd keep the existing config. Assuming all the middle seats are required to be blocked, they would still have significant narrow-body capacity compared to say PR/AirAsia.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 5:45 pm

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I'm glad that only returning residents, diplomats and dignitaries that hold PH passport are allowed to board flights bound to MNL, and not additional POGO workers from Mainland, lol.

Particularly if the latter were to benefit from the "Balik Probinsya" program..... :talktothehand:



PAL in 'survival' mode..... :worried:

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... e-pandemic


Latest PR advisory in connection with the COVID-19 situation..... :airplane:

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... 11may20-58
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 15, 2020 3:47 pm

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This will be speculation on my part. But its safe to say that COVID-19/ECQ in Metro Manila will likely effect 5J fleet renewal plans. I won't be surprised if they will differ there first A339 to either the last quarter of 2021 or to early 2022. For the A21N I can see some will be differed to later date or possibly converted to either the A20N or A321XLR.

5J is reviewing its fleet expansion plans.....

https://business.inquirer.net/297302/fa ... -big-plans

Quote:
"Cebu Pacific’s capital spen­ding is mainly for the acquisition of new planes. Gokongwei said they would pursue an 'overall review' of the firm’s long-term fleet plan.

'We will have a discussion with Airbus on how we [will] manage these airplanes and for the succeeding years,' he said, referring to aircraft deliveries this year and those on the pipeline.

From 76 planes today, Cebu Pacific has 61 plane deliveries until 2026 to upgrade its fleet and replace older jets. It earlier expected to have 88 planes by 2024 through a mix of A330 NEOs, A320NEOs and A321NEOs, A321 XLRs and ATR 72-600s.

Gokongwei said the review was part of broader talks with aircraft lessors, equipment manu­facturers and suppliers for 'commercial concessions and payment deferrals' as Cebu Pacific manages its balance sheet during the crisis."




Meanwhile, PAL just passed its seventh consecutive IATA OSA renewal.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... fety-audit

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... fety-audit
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 10:17 am

Although its uncertain if domestic flights will resume on May 31. Its mentioned in the artcle (link below), that when PAL are to reopen domestic flights out of MNL.

DVO, GES, ILO and IAO are among the first routes being considered since quarantine restrections in those area are being relax. However it will depend on the LGU of those cities if they will reopen there airports.

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... people-fly
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 1:08 pm

So what’s gonna happen to PAL then?

“In its 2019 annual report released only yesterday, PAL Holdings Inc., citing the coronavirus pandemic which has shut down global travel since March 2020, said: “A material uncertainty exists that may cast significant doubt on the Group’s (PAL) ability to continue as a going concern.””

https://bilyonaryo.com.ph/2020/05/20/lu ... -5-months/
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 5:39 pm

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So what’s gonna happen to PAL then?

Guess the 'best' that we could hope for is a 'rough' landing. Stockholders would be out to cash in their chips while they still can. There might be a figure lurking in the shadows waiting for a fire sale...although appetite for the troubled airline may be suspect considering the potential 'slim pickings'..... :indifferent:


This ties in with the unsolicited proposals for a new international gateway...who would be bold enough to push through with such a huge undertaking given the desperate climate the industry will face in the near term :?: Only the CRK T2 and NAIA T2 projects have a fighting chance of survival since both are already nearly finished. The whole NAIA Rehab Proposal is still hanging by a thread. As it is, the Sangley Airport has yet to commence commercial TP pax operations..... :airplane:

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Likely fallback would be to launch charter flights of AirSWIFT, Balesin Alphaland, etc. from SGL (Skyjet may not be too appealing).....



A more serious outcome is for the facility to revert to military use..... :spin:

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 6:19 pm

KLM to return to MNL from May 26, 2020:

KLM has been contracted by several shipping companies to repatriate Philippine sailors from around to world back to their families in the Philippines.
Due to the COVID crisis many sailors have remained on duty for weeks or months longer than initially planned.
Over 150.000 ships crews are currently waiting for repatriation worldwide.

The airline will launch special 4x weekly AMS-BKK-MNL-BKK-AMS flight to ensure Philippine crews are exchanged.
KLM will also repatriate Indonesians, Poles, Russians, Ukranians to their home countries.

Source: https://news.klm.com/airline-industry-s ... seafarers/
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 7:32 pm

DarQuiet wrote:
So what’s gonna happen to PAL then?

“In its 2019 annual report released only yesterday, PAL Holdings Inc., citing the coronavirus pandemic which has shut down global travel since March 2020, said: “A material uncertainty exists that may cast significant doubt on the Group’s (PAL) ability to continue as a going concern.””

https://bilyonaryo.com.ph/2020/05/20/lu ... -5-months/


How many companies worldwide across a swathe of industries could you say this about, without government assistance in some shape or form?
How long can Lucio Tan keep pumping money into PAL?
Although PAL would not be conventionally described as 'too big to fail',it is probably the highest profile company in one of the conglomerates that dominate the Philippine economy. If it were to collapse, the effect on confidence could be difficult to contain.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 9:26 pm

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KLM has been contracted by several shipping companies to repatriate Philippine sailors from around to world back to their families in the Philippines.

Will it be operated by a 77W?..... :stretch: .....


.....or this anew..... :?: .....

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factsonly wrote:
Due to the COVID crisis many sailors have remained on duty for weeks or months longer than initially planned.

Not very "encouraging"..... :scared: .....

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 10:46 am

DarQuiet wrote:
So what’s gonna happen to PAL then?

“In its 2019 annual report released only yesterday, PAL Holdings Inc., citing the coronavirus pandemic which has shut down global travel since March 2020, said: “A material uncertainty exists that may cast significant doubt on the Group’s (PAL) ability to continue as a going concern.””

https://bilyonaryo.com.ph/2020/05/20/lu ... -5-months/

El Kapitan has just avoided the (another) immediate bankruptcy of PAL, for now.

https://business.inquirer.net/297799/pa ... -in-p15-2b

Santa Maria told the ABS-CBN News Channel (ANC) on Thursday (May 21) that one-third of the capital infusion, or about P5 billion, was deployed this year to keep the airline afloat during the COVID-19 pandemic, which has grounded air travel.

“Without that liquidity, Philippine Airlines would probably not be here anymore,” Santa Maria said.

For now, PAL is “not in immediate danger of bankruptcy” but Santa Maria noted that prospects remained dim.


OTOH, one of PAL's 777-300ER flied to MIA from MNL non-stop with few pax (all-crew).

https://news.abs-cbn.com/ancx/culture/s ... arers-home

On a mission to fetch 347 Filipinos seafarers of the Royal Carribean Cruise Line, Philippine Airlines flew a direct flight from Manila to Miami yesterday. Making use of a Boeing 777 (RP-C7772) aircraft, the milestone flight was 16 hours and nine minutes long, traversing 9,316 miles.


Devilfish wrote:
factsonly wrote:
KLM has been contracted by several shipping companies to repatriate Philippine sailors from around to world back to their families in the Philippines.

Will it be operated by a 77W?..... :stretch: .....


.....or this anew..... :?: .....

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Most likely, it would still be 777-200ER or -300ER that are regularly deployed here, or maybe 787-9 or -10, subject to payload.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 1:09 pm

PAL sending an A359 on MNL-YVR-BGI. Just landed a few minutes ago as PR8116, opb RP-C3501.

ttps://www.auphilippines.com/2020/05/25 ... a-pal.html
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 3:04 pm

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PAL sending an A359 on MNL-YVR-BGI. Just landed a few minutes ago as PR8116, opb RP-C3501.

Another unique routing for PAL to repatriate OFWs from a cruise ship haven..... :sun: .....

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MNL-YVR-BGI&DU=nm


Quite a way off the beaten track for PR's first, two-year old A359.....


....to where it usually flies..... :hyper: .....

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Wonder if it would fly eastward on its way home to ride the jetstream..... :scratchchin: .....

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=BGI-LHR-MNL&DU=nm



In connection with #206 above, don't know when this photo was taken, but it may be an accurate depiction of the prevailing situation..... :wideeyed:

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 2:30 am

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Wonder if it would fly eastward on its way home to ride the jetstream..... :scratchchin: .....

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=BGI-LHR-MNL&DU=nm


Well... it took the westbound route. Currently on the way home to MNL via LAX as PR8103.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 10:35 am

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In connection with #206 above, don't know when this photo was taken, but it may be an accurate depiction of the prevailing situation..... :wideeyed:

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No, just a stock photo, the C5 Extension on the left side before E. Rodriguez Street (going to Moonwalk, Parañaque) didn't exist yet.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 1:22 pm

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El Kapitan has just avoided the (another) immediate bankruptcy of PAL, for now.

Apparently, PAL is now in "damage containment" mode after that pr miscue..... :shhh: :ziplip:

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/p ... 92.article

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... -personnel

Quote:
“For example, if we find out that we are going to need to return say 10 to 20 percent of our aircraft because demand just isn’t there – so we don’t have to pay rent, we’ll return the aircraft – well that means we’re going to have to reduce our flight crews and our cabin crews by similar amount because we will have fewer aircraft,” he said.


Philippine747 wrote:
Well... it took the westbound route. Currently on the way home to MNL via LAX as PR8103.

Thank you. Here's another special flight that bears watching.....

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... 21may20-60


SkyHigher wrote:
No, just a stock photo, the C5 Extension on the left side before E. Rodriguez Street (going to Moonwalk, Parañaque) didn't exist yet.

Sharp eyes.....thanks. :smile:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 2:06 pm

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“For example, if we find out that we are going to need to return say 10 to 20 percent of our aircraft because demand just isn’t there – so we don’t have to pay rent, we’ll return the aircraft – well that means we’re going to have to reduce our flight crews and our cabin crews by similar amount because we will have fewer aircraft,” he said.

If that's true, then the fleet will be reduced by 9-20 aircraft.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 5:07 am

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“For example, if we find out that we are going to need to return say 10 to 20 percent of our aircraft because demand just isn’t there – so we don’t have to pay rent, we’ll return the aircraft – well that means we’re going to have to reduce our flight crews and our cabin crews by similar amount because we will have fewer aircraft,” he said.

If that's true, then the fleet will be reduced by 9-20 aircraft.


PAL Mainline fleet as of Feb 2020:

4 Airbus A320-200*
18 Airbus A321-200•
8 Airbus A321neo
15 Airbus A330-300•
6 Airbus A350-900
10 Boeing 777-300ER•
61 Total:

* Indicated either type will likely be removed from the fleet or is in the process of being retired.

• Indicated the number of frames will likely be reduced or downsized.

For mainline PAL all of there Airbus A320-200 are in the process of being returned to there lessors or in storage pending transfer to GAP (Aka: PAL Express), with the current crisis.
However it will likely be expedited.

I also see a downsizing of the Airbus A321ceo with between 3-4 frames being returned to there lessor with remainder if not most A321ceo will eventually be replaced by the Airbus A321neo.

For the Airbus A330-300 PAL will likely keeps its 8 Tri-class configured A333 since most have been recently refurbished. If any A333 are going to be retured back to there lessor its the 7 High-density A333 which are used in the middle east. I imagine between 3-5 frames could go while the remainder will eventually be refurbished to the Tri-class configuration for commonality and reduced to Available Seat Mile (ASM).

Being the largest aircrsft type in the fleet and almost exclusively being used for Trans-pacific flights to North America the Boeing 777-300ER is probaly the most affected aircraft in the fleet. I can see between 2-4 frames are likely going to be returned to there lessors. The exception of course will be the newer B77W (7778 to 7782) and those that recently underwent PIP. I also see the remaining 77W will eventually be refurbished either to aligin with 7778 to 7782 or a new cabin interior with a small Premium Economy cabin between Business and Economy section in fron of Doors 3 (Center).

All of this are own opinion of course will have to wait and see.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 4:44 pm

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All of this are own opinion of course will have to wait and see.

It is a reasonable projection actually. Although I seem to recall PR still has a few A320neo order outstanding ?
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 2:46 am

Devilfish wrote:
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All of this are own opinion of course will have to wait and see.

It is a reasonable projection actually. Although I seem to recall PR still has a few A320neo order outstanding ?


A320neo from what I can re-call PAL order books are for the larger A21N? And have so far not made any disclosure of any new orders like the A20N?

Unless PAL decided to revise its order books converting its remaining A21N to the smaller A20N or have defered the deliveries of the A21N and forwarded the A20N as an alternative is possible considering most Analysis forcast that it would take 2-3 years for demand to return to 2019 levels. And if PAL wanted to contiune maintaining frequency for regional flights within asia it would make sense to use smaller type like the A20N since it would be easier to fell (assuming social distancing isn't enforced), and once demand returns to 2019 levels replaced the A20N with the A21N in MNL and moved them to secondary hubs liked CEB and CRK.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 3:05 pm

Not much aviation-related but MCIA will be transformed into a COVID-19 testing laboratory, as Cebu is the current epicenter of the pandemic in the Philippines.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1279466/cebu-airport-to-build-covid-19-test-laboratory

The facility, which can process at least 900 reverse transcription-polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) tests per day, is expected to be completed in 15 days, or on the first week of June, said Andrew Harrison, chief executive advisor of the GMR-Megawide Cebu Airport Corporation (GMCAC) operates the MCIA.

Harrison said MCIA’s laboratory can process more than the Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Manila, which could test only around 400 persons per day.

MCIA’s laboratory, he said, would be equipped with state-of-the-art facilities, where results of the RT-PCR tests are available after 24 hours.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 12:29 am

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A320neo from what I can re-call PAL order books are for the larger A21N? And have so far not made any disclosure of any new orders like the A20N?

Thanks, my bad...I confused it with 5J's orders. :embarrassed2: On a side note, A20N might be construed as the A220. :smile:


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Not much aviation-related but MCIA will be transformed into a COVID-19 testing laboratory, as Cebu is the current epicenter of the pandemic in the Philippines.

In connection with that, LTG has also contributed a biomed test lab in Batangas City to help in the fight against COVID-19. Hopefully, the old airport terminals that were to be replaced (like in Bicol and Tagbilaran) would be converted into medical centers to augment the country's number of treatment facilities, especially in the provinces.

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020 ... -red-cross

This as media wonders about El Kapitan's cash infusion into his beleaguered airline..... :scratchchin: .....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... l-infusion



Any interior photo updates on LIPAD's CRK T2 :?: International airline operations might resume gradually any month now...it has to be ready by then to absorb the influx of flights and passengers. :crowded:
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Mon May 25, 2020 1:05 am

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And while we're at it, how goes NAIA T2's renovation works :?:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 8:25 am

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AB330 wrote:
A320neo from what I can re-call PAL order books are for the larger A21N? And have so far not made any disclosure of any new orders like the A20N?

Thanks, my bad...I confused it with 5J's orders. :embarrassed2: On a side note, A20N might be construed as the A220. :smile:


Yeah the A20N Designation for the A320neo can confused some for the A220neo :roll:

As for the fessibilty of the A320neo I won't be surprised that if PAL those placed an order. It will likely go to GAP while PAL will have the A321neo as its smallest type in the fleet. However this debacle with COVID can ruin a fleet planners day :cry2:
 
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Mon May 25, 2020 3:43 pm

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Yeah the A20N Designation for the A320neo can confused some for the A220neo :roll:

Some are still unsatisfied with the GTFs on the A220s...and given how prolific airframe and powerplant experts here on A.nut are, we never know. Just saying. :wink2:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 5:51 am

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KGarc21 wrote:
Quote:
“For example, if we find out that we are going to need to return say 10 to 20 percent of our aircraft because demand just isn’t there – so we don’t have to pay rent, we’ll return the aircraft – well that means we’re going to have to reduce our flight crews and our cabin crews by similar amount because we will have fewer aircraft,” he said.

If that's true, then the fleet will be reduced by 9-20 aircraft.


PAL Mainline fleet as of Feb 2020:

4 Airbus A320-200*
18 Airbus A321-200•
8 Airbus A321neo
15 Airbus A330-300•
6 Airbus A350-900
10 Boeing 777-300ER•
61 Total:

* Indicated either type will likely be removed from the fleet or is in the process of being retired.

• Indicated the number of frames will likely be reduced or downsized.

For mainline PAL all of there Airbus A320-200 are in the process of being returned to there lessors or in storage pending transfer to GAP (Aka: PAL Express), with the current crisis.
However it will likely be expedited.

I also see a downsizing of the Airbus A321ceo with between 3-4 frames being returned to there lessor with remainder if not most A321ceo will eventually be replaced by the Airbus A321neo.

For the Airbus A330-300 PAL will likely keeps its 8 Tri-class configured A333 since most have been recently refurbished. If any A333 are going to be retured back to there lessor its the 7 High-density A333 which are used in the middle east. I imagine between 3-5 frames could go while the remainder will eventually be refurbished to the Tri-class configuration for commonality and reduced to Available Seat Mile (ASM).

Being the largest aircrsft type in the fleet and almost exclusively being used for Trans-pacific flights to North America the Boeing 777-300ER is probaly the most affected aircraft in the fleet. I can see between 2-4 frames are likely going to be returned to there lessors. The exception of course will be the newer B77W (7778 to 7782) and those that recently underwent PIP. I also see the remaining 77W will eventually be refurbished either to aligin with 7778 to 7782 or a new cabin interior with a small Premium Economy cabin between Business and Economy section in fron of Doors 3 (Center).

All of this are own opinion of course will have to wait and see.


I have a feeling some of the PALex A320s might not return to service as well. I've noticed a progressive retirement of the -C839X fleet, with some being sold off. On top of that, I feel that the classic Q400s (76-seat ones) may not be reactivated, considering their age.

Agree on some of the high-density A330s being axed. They have their niches though, and could be useful should tourist demand return. However, I think PR would be hesitant to refurb the -876X birds to the new config because that would represent a significant expense which may mess up the books.

As for the 77W, I have a feeling they will stay. They've been proving useful as freighters to/from XMN/PVG, and their belly space will be very useful on the MNL-NA West Coast runs. While it would be nice to bring the 777 up to the A333/A359's cabin product, I don't see PAL refurbishing them as well for the same reasons as the high-density A330s.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 3:54 pm

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However, I think PR would be hesitant to refurb the -876X birds to the new config because that would represent a significant expense which may mess up the books.

As for the 77W, I have a feeling they will stay. They've been proving useful as freighters to/from XMN/PVG, and their belly space will be very useful on the MNL-NA West Coast runs. While it would be nice to bring the 777 up to the A333/A359's cabin product, I don't see PAL refurbishing them as well for the same reasons as the high-density A330s.

As if the books aren't already messed up to begin with.....

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/p ... 27.article

I have reservations about keeping the older 77Ws as freighters, unless PR plans on setting up a dedicated cargo arm which (given the costs of buying out the frames and conversions) would be ill-advised now at best.

Had PR been the owner of the A359s, I suspect they too would have done a CI and issued an RFP for the sale/leaseback of those birds.....

https://www.flightglobal.com/networks/c ... 23.article



But here's one that never says die..... :shakehead:

https://business.inquirer.net/298239/de ... or-takeoff

Quote:
“The crisis does mean the policymakers will have to reexamine the economic case for each project, especially those megaprojects being planned, and the impact on financial and debt sustainability,” the Beijing-led AIIB said in a report on April 15.

Remulla, however, said the estimated period of recovery “is in our time horizon.”

For now, it remains unclear how the CCCC-MacroAsia consortium intends to proceed with the project.



Would they be the local incarnation of Faust :?:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 3:36 am

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I have a feeling some of the PALex A320s might not return to service as well. I've noticed a progressive retirement of the -C839X fleet, with some being sold off. On top of that, I feel that the classic Q400s (76-seat ones) may not be reactivated, considering their age.


RP-C8396 is now with Air Asia India as VT-BOM. I won't be surprised if the remaining RP-C389X Mono-class A320s will be returned to there lessor sooner rather then later and will likely be replaced by PAL Bi-class A320 RP-C861X (with exception of those delivered in 2012 RP-C8616 to 8620), and A321s

As for the Dash 8 all of GAP "legacy" Q400 are now either stored or being disposed off. While the Q300 are mentioned to be with GAP I'm not sure if they are return to service temporarily or the Airfleet page is wrong?

https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/PAL%20Express.htm
 
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Wed May 27, 2020 7:50 am

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Any interior photo updates on LIPAD's CRK T2 :?: International airline operations might resume gradually any month now...it has to be ready by then to absorb the influx of flights and passengers. :crowded:

If Metro Manila and all other provinces will be placed under GCQ by Monday, domestic and international flights may resume. PAL is one who prepares for resumption of revenue flights.

https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/05/27 ... nes-permit

The flag carrier submitted to authorities a list of domestic and international routes that can be restarted, said its spokesperson, Cielo Villaluna.

"As far back as several weeks ago, meron na tayong proposals as to the number of domestic flights and international flight to operate," Villaluna told Teleradyo.


But IMO, sweeper flights should remain a priority, especially for OFWs who want to head to provinces with their families. And restrict travel to Philippine passport holders and residents, not allowing foreign nationals so that we would not have a second wave of new cases.

About CRK, since works are IIRC remain suspended on Terminal 2, no updates are provided by DOTr nor LIPAD. Much better if you follow DOTr's SNS (FB, Twitter) because they are the ones who provide it. And in relation to that, would you imagine that a former cop and drug buster head of the government becomes an administrator for Mega Manila's secondary gateway?

https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/na ... ks&order=1

President Rodrigo Duterte has named outgoing Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency chief Aaron Aquino as head of the Clark International Airport Corporation (CIAC), Executive Secretary Salvador Medialdea said Wednesday.

Medialdea confirmed the appointment after Duterte tapped PDEA Northern Mindanao head Wilkins Villanueva as the new director general of PDEA.

“Mr. Aquino's nomination as the President/CEO of Clark International Airport Corporation has been approved by President Rodrigo Duterte and is now forwarded to the aforesaid corporation's Board of Directors,” the Office of the Executive Secretary said.
 
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Wed May 27, 2020 5:33 pm

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I confused it with 5J's orders. :embarrassed2:

It is now 5J's turn to re-examine their fleet expansion plan..... :airplane: .....

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/ceb ... 50.article




SkyHigher wrote:
Much better if you follow DOTr's SNS (FB, Twitter) because they are the ones who provide it.

A security warning appears on my screen whenever I try to visit their page. :alert:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 10:41 am

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I have reservations about keeping the older 77Ws as freighters, unless PR plans on setting up a dedicated cargo arm which (given the costs of buying out the frames and conversions) would be ill-advised now at best.:?:


Agreed the reason why I mentioned 7777 & 7776 possibly leaving PAL fleet is there lease will expire on 2022. Not to mentioned they have yet to under go PIP in Arizona and likely won't have it unless its part of the contract with the lessor.

By 2023 PAL 77W fleet will likely go from 10 to 8 which should be enough
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Fri May 29, 2020 10:46 am

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SkyHigher wrote:
Much better if you follow DOTr's SNS (FB, Twitter) because they are the ones who provide it.

A security warning appears on my screen whenever I try to visit their page. :alert:


High traffic visit maybe?
 
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Fri May 29, 2020 4:50 pm

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Agreed the reason why I mentioned 7777 & 7776 possibly leaving PAL fleet is there lease will expire on 2022. Not to mentioned they have yet to under go PIP in Arizona and likely won't have it unless its part of the contract with the lessor.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but IINM, -72 to -75 had their leases renewed and undergone the PIPs earlier. However, COVID-19 has depressed present lease rates considerably, so PR might want to renegotiate those. It's plausible that they may opt to end the leases if they couldn't get more favorable terms on their 4 oldest 77Ws.


SkyHigher wrote:
High traffic visit maybe?

So, shouldn't the message be "taking too long to connect" or something like that instead?



Meanwhile, PAL has released these two latest advisories regarding their flights.....

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... 29may20-62

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... 29may20-63


That is...in view of the transition to GCQ for some areas in the country.....

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020 ... d-even-gcq
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Sat May 30, 2020 2:58 pm

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SkyHigher wrote:
High traffic visit maybe?

So, shouldn't the message be "taking too long to connect" or something like that instead?


Is it thru FB? Didn't noticed that at least once.

Anyway, this flight data really triggered hysteria that it might carry pax carrying the virus, because the origin is the same as where C-19 was discovered.
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Which turns out to be a
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1283548/caap-clarifies-wuhan-flight-that-landed-in-manila-carried-cargo-not-passengers
MANILA, Philippines — The Saturday flight that came from Wuhan City in China’s Hubei Province did not carry any passenger but only transported cargo, the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) clarified Saturday.

“Only cargo flights are allowed to mount (between) China/Philippines/China. Royal Air flight that landed Naia (Ninoy Aquino International Airport) this afternoon is a cargo flight and no passenger on board,” CAAP spokesman Eric Apolonio said in a Viber message.


Yet they didn't disclose what cargo did the aircraft carried, whether a medical supply, or maybe an illegal contraband. Who knows? :sly:
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 4:33 pm

SkyHigher wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
High traffic visit maybe?

So, shouldn't the message be "taking too long to connect" or something like that instead?


Is it thru FB? Didn't noticed that at least once.

Anyway, this flight data really triggered hysteria that it might carry pax carrying the virus, because the origin is the same as where C-19 was discovered.
Image

Which turns out to be a
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1283548/caap-clarifies-wuhan-flight-that-landed-in-manila-carried-cargo-not-passengers
MANILA, Philippines — The Saturday flight that came from Wuhan City in China’s Hubei Province did not carry any passenger but only transported cargo, the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) clarified Saturday.

“Only cargo flights are allowed to mount (between) China/Philippines/China. Royal Air flight that landed Naia (Ninoy Aquino International Airport) this afternoon is a cargo flight and no passenger on board,” CAAP spokesman Eric Apolonio said in a Viber message.


Yet they didn't disclose what cargo did the aircraft carried, whether a medical supply, or maybe an illegal contraband. Who knows? :sly:


Greetings everyone,

SkyHigher, you intimated "or maybe an illegal contraband. Who knows?" ----- What are you talking about, insinuating or referring to here?

Keep safe everyone.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 31, 2020 2:44 am

intaJET wrote:
SkyHigher wrote:
Devilfish wrote:
So, shouldn't the message be "taking too long to connect" or something like that instead?


Is it thru FB? Didn't noticed that at least once.

Anyway, this flight data really triggered hysteria that it might carry pax carrying the virus, because the origin is the same as where C-19 was discovered.
Image

Which turns out to be a
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1283548/caap-clarifies-wuhan-flight-that-landed-in-manila-carried-cargo-not-passengers
MANILA, Philippines — The Saturday flight that came from Wuhan City in China’s Hubei Province did not carry any passenger but only transported cargo, the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) clarified Saturday.

“Only cargo flights are allowed to mount (between) China/Philippines/China. Royal Air flight that landed Naia (Ninoy Aquino International Airport) this afternoon is a cargo flight and no passenger on board,” CAAP spokesman Eric Apolonio said in a Viber message.


Yet they didn't disclose what cargo did the aircraft carried, whether a medical supply, or maybe an illegal contraband. Who knows? :sly:


Greetings everyone,

SkyHigher, you intimated "or maybe an illegal contraband. Who knows?" ----- What are you talking about, insinuating or referring to here?

Keep safe everyone.
IntaJET

Apologies if i'm insinuating something here triggering more hysteria all because of my overreaction. CAAP didn't mention what cargo did this aircraft carried, that why I mentioned it.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 31, 2020 9:30 am

Regarding that flight to WUH, Royal posted on their FB page regarding those flights. It was a non-rev cargo flight carrying medical supplies. Outside the aviation community, such info would cause mass hysteria on Facebook. Even AUP had to make a statement when they announced CZ's resumption of service to MNL...

https://www.facebook.com/flyroyalair/po ... 2415811877
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun May 31, 2020 6:41 pm

There seems to be some miscommunications about the resumption of domestic flights..... :?

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020 ... ic-flights


However, in view of the expected gradual return of aircraft to regular operations, there is this rare tribute to the people who keep those in top condition.....

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1283712/a ... caretakers


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:praise: KUDOS to you all..... :bigthumbsup:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:52 am

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There seems to be some miscommunications about the resumption of domestic flights..... :?

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020 ... ic-flights




How frustrating this must be for the airlines with CAB raining on their parade when they (CAB) had enough time to clarify this ahead and not hours just before the planned resumption of flights. :hyper:
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:51 am

And 5J's reaction is not surprising :rotfl:

https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/06/02 ... of-restart
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:23 pm

Still, the outlook is not very good..... :expressionless: .....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... e-measures

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It's a good thing the government deferred fees of local carriers for a year...that would help ease the burden on them even for a little bit. At least, there's this hope to look forward to.....

https://businessmirror.com.ph/2020/06/0 ... -pandemic/
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Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:42 pm

No relief in sight soon..... :sigh:

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... mment-form

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https://businessmirror.com.ph/wp-conten ... 052620.jpg


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https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CWSrX23H0ic/ ... .01.36.png


From SkyscraperCity, CEB T2 update..... :camera: .....

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https://scontent.fceb2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5EF9CBC4

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https://scontent.fceb2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5EFADC57
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The NMIA in Bulacan is still a go according to DOTr secretary.....

https://www.bworldonline.com/san-miguel ... 1591115659


But at the rate they're going, the new UTP airport might be finished before SMC is even halfway through.....

https://business.inquirer.net/298985/th ... tern-coast
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:13 pm

PAL has released an advisory about upcoming international flights from Canada and the U.S., -- please be guided accordingly. :arrow:

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... 08jun20-67

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020 ... os-angeles



In the meantime, "travel bubbles" are being studied to boost economies hit hard by the pandemic.....

https://business.inquirer.net/299439/tr ... -economies


Methinks they should proceed very carefully with this. :scared:
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Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:08 am

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PAL has released an advisory about upcoming international flights from Canada and the U.S., -- please be guided accordingly. :arrow:

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... 08jun20-67


I'm quite interested in this part of the advisory:

If we are authorized to land in Cebu on June 12 and 13, our passengers on PR103, PR105, PR127 and PR117 will undergo the required COVID testing in Cebu rather than in Manila, and quarantine at a Cebu hotel accredited by the Department of Health until they receive a negative test result (usually within 24 to 48 hours of the test). Once a negative test result is confirmed, PAL will fly them from Cebu to Manila free of charge.


Would be a great test for CEB's handling of multiple long-haul widebodies should this plan push through. Also early LAX-CEB launch? :P
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Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:29 pm

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I'm quite interested in this part of the advisory:

If we are authorized to land in Cebu on June 12 and 13, our passengers on PR103, PR105, PR127 and PR117 will undergo the required COVID testing in Cebu rather than in Manila, and quarantine at a Cebu hotel accredited by the Department of Health until they receive a negative test result (usually within 24 to 48 hours of the test). Once a negative test result is confirmed, PAL will fly them from Cebu to Manila free of charge.


Would be a great test for CEB's handling of multiple long-haul widebodies should this plan push through. Also early LAX-CEB launch? :P


Speaking of LAX-CEB once this COVID Crisis is over do you think PAL will push through with launching direct flights between Cebu to Los Angelas and Manila to Perth?

Personally I can still see MNL-PER being push through. But at a later date probably next year. As for CEB-LAX unless PAL either orders more A359 or a smaller aircraft type liked the A330neo or B787 Dreamliner. Its unlikely to happend in the short to medium term.
 
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Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:25 pm

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Would be a great test for CEB's handling of multiple long-haul widebodies should this plan push through.

Particularly for CEB's much advertised COVID-19 testing facility. :scared: Although a two-day quarantine stay at a (nice?) Cebu hotel (room and board paid by whom?) could offset the hassles. :smile:

Philippine747 wrote:
Also early LAX-CEB launch?

Doubt it...but there may be people who would brave the risks and hop on the flights just so they could bypass Manila and relish Cebu's joys earlier. Not sure about the city administration's priorities.

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Speaking of LAX-CEB once this COVID Crisis is over do you think PAL will push through with launching direct flights between Cebu to Los Angelas and Manila to Perth?

Not in the near term...PR will wait for demand to pick up substantially before contemplating CEB-LAX again...that is, if they outlive this pandemic relatively unscathed.

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As for CEB-LAX unless PAL either orders more A359 or a smaller aircraft type liked the A330neo or B787 Dreamliner. Its unlikely to happend in the short to medium term.

Remember that PR was talking about returning planes and laying off more employees...they're not in a position to expand their fleet or network at the moment. PR was complaining about the lease rates on the A359s, newer 77Ws and new narrowbodies. Supposing PR were prevailed upon to order new aircraft in the course of negotiations with the OEMs and lessors, it would be for the most economical, versatile plane which could still do their current routes.

The old 77Ws may be returned at end of lease to trim excess capacity. That leaves the single-class A333s as the most likely to get replaced next. The A339 has no chance of making it across the Pacific without a stopover...which limits the choice to three. The 788 may be cheaper but the A338 is touted to have longer legs. The 789 has the range and payload but PR already have the A359 in the fleet. So, the big question is "will Airbus pressure PR into taking its A359 options...or the A338 (should it survive this crisis)" to add to its orderbook :?: Your guess is as good as anybody else's, including mine.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=CEB-LAX-YV ... =wls&DU=nm

However, I still think a triangular routing to LAX on the eastbound (if the latter could do it) and via YVR on the return, even with the 251T MTOW version is vital to make it work most of the year.
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Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:22 am

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The old 77Ws may be returned at end of lease to trim excess capacity. That leaves the single-class A333s as the most likely to get replaced next. The A339 has no chance of making it across the Pacific without a stopover...which limits the choice to three. The 788 may be cheaper but the A338 is touted to have longer legs. The 789 has the range and payload but PR already have the A359 in the fleet. So, the big question is "will Airbus pressure PR into taking its A359 options...or the A338 (should it survive this crisis)" to add to its orderbook :?: Your guess is as good as anybody else's, including mine.


Not sure if the Single-Class is misqoute for the Bi-Class A330-300 (876X to 877X) or PAL is contemplating returing its 8 Tri-Class A330-300 (878X onwards), which where previously in a Single-Class configuration. It would be nice if you could clearifiy? :wave:
 
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Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:11 pm

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Not sure if the Single-Class is misqoute for the Bi-Class A330-300 (876X to 877X) or PAL is contemplating returing its 8 Tri-Class A330-300 (878X onwards), which where previously in a Single-Class configuration. It would be nice if you could clearifiy? :wave:

Sorry, I meant the unrefurbished A333 frames. Frankly, I didn't know which tail numbers were single-class or dual-class. :embarrassed2:
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Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:07 pm

Observed a B777 operated by PR this morning (june 10) at YVR.
 
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Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:11 pm

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Observed a B777 operated by PR this morning (june 10) at YVR.

Most likely PR117 listed on the linked advisory in #242 above.


The Inquirer published a list of the latest updated international schedules for reference.....

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1289300/l ... ed-flights



Meanwhile, Flightglobal reports on PR parent company's financial performance for 1Q2020.....

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/p ... 68.article
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Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:44 pm

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Observed a B777 operated by PR this morning (june 10) at YVR.


That was PR 8117 from BGI and continuing to CRK as a repatriation flight of cruise ship crew.

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