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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:23 pm

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That was PR 8117 from BGI and continuing to CRK as a repatriation flight of cruise ship crew.

Thank you. So, a continuation of these operations then..... :thumbsup:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=BGI-YVR-CRK&MS=wls&DU=nm


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Edit: The first photo I posted didn't look like it was taken on a Caribbean island. :sun:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:23 am

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Speaking of LAX-CEB once this COVID Crisis is over do you think PAL will push through with launching direct flights between Cebu to Los Angelas and Manila to Perth?


I have a feeling they will push through with both routes. As MNL may still have capacity constraints for inbounds, might as well funnel pax to/from the Vismin region into the CEB-LAX-CEB service.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:39 pm

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020 ... f-barbados

While certainly laudable especially on this day...it's also saddening that many of those thousands would be out work without any assurances of gainful employment soon. The only consolation is they're back safe with their families now...somewhat redeeming the hassles they went through trying to get home and going into quarantine. Some may even return to as far south as Sulu..... :eyepopping:

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http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... grade.html


On the upside, spotters may be having a field day -- if they could manage to dodge ECQ and go to the airport. :camera:



In the meantime.....

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... ubmissions

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... strictions
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:05 am

Devilfish wrote:
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020/06/12/2020356/stranded-pinay-cruise-ship-worker-kills-self-barbados

While certainly laudable especially on this day...it's also saddening that many of those thousands would be out work without any assurances of gainful employment soon. The only consolation is they're back safe with their families now...somewhat redeeming the hassles they went through trying to get home and going into quarantine. Some may even return to as far south as Sulu..... :eyepopping:

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http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... grade.html


On the upside, spotters may be having a field day -- if they could manage to dodge ECQ and go to the airport. :camera:

While JOL's opening looks promising, I still have hunches that this airport will have extreme safeguards, especially that the island is still notorious for the presence of Islam Extremists.

And for spotting, some are doing already, specifically in the outside perimeters of MNL as the region is in GCQ but most spotters are still adamant as cases rise and remains unsafe to do so.

Meanwhile in MNL yesterday......
https://www.facebook.com/134752476678442/posts/1812567075563632/
 
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:00 pm

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Meanwhile in MNL yesterday......

Good for them! Filipinos are treated shabbily in their own country..... :irked:

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1290857/s ... er-flyover

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https://scontent.fmnl7-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5F09D6FD

source: @PASBS.com


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Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:16 pm

This updated PAL advisory says that for June 2020, all international departures will be from NAIA T1 and international arrivals (except those directed to Cebu) will be at NAIA T2. :arrow:

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... 29may20-63

Flights on June 14 and 15 to/fro YVR and SFO were cancelled because of shortage of international arrival slots due to inadequacy of COVID-19 quarantine facility in MNL.


Does the above also mean the DOTr will now be working on NAIA T2 departure hall's renovation to streamline it for domestic operations :?:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:24 am

PR has released seatmaps that includes options for social distancing. Middle seats in the forward portions of Premium Economy and Economy are blocked on all aircraft (except the Q400, where the aisle seats are blocked). There will be no extra fee on top of the fare to avail these seats, but are only available to Economy Flex and Premium Economy passengers. This will go into effect from 1 July, wonder how the implementation of this arrangement would go...
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:36 pm

The scene for arriving passengers who'd undergo COVID-19 testing and quarantine at CRK.....

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https://radyo.inquirer.net/249288/mahig ... sa-kahapon



PAL advisory regarding NA flights rerouted to CEB..... :arrow:

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... 16jun20-73
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:25 pm

Even if he might not be the prime mover behind the NMIA proposal, the passing of Eduardo Murphy Cojuangco Jr. :tombstone: brings to the fore questions about its future viability. Couple that with the pandemic that is now gripping the world, and it again raises the specter that the project would soon be a goner too despite statements to the contrary.

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... port-goner


Fervently hoping it wouldn't be so! :crossfingers:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:58 pm

Philippine747 wrote:
PR has released seatmaps that includes options for social distancing. Middle seats in the forward portions of Premium Economy and Economy are blocked on all aircraft (except the Q400, where the aisle seats are blocked). There will be no extra fee on top of the fare to avail these seats, but are only available to Economy Flex and Premium Economy passengers. This will go into effect from 1 July, wonder how the implementation of this arrangement would go...

This is interesting. Basically, it’s a pay up or die situation. (hyperbole, of course lol)
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:21 pm

The latest in the real life drama that is the New Manila International Airport aerotropolis..... :crying:

https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020 ... mpensation


The NewsX feature mid-article expounds on the environmental and livelihood concerns, while the photo essay at the end illustrates the heart rending situation of the people most affected by the project. :sorry:
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Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:17 pm

The long, arduous task of repatriating OFWs continues.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... frica.html

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It was a revisiting of sorts for PR as they used to fly to TIP a long time ago...although the 77W could have flown directly to MJI.

:pray: Tragic though to note that among the returnees on a different flight from Jeddah on 21 June were 282 dead - 50 of COVID related illnesses! :tombstone:



From the A320N P/D thread however, COVID-19 was also unable to delay the delivery of an A321N to 5J..... :arrow:

qf789 wrote:
Cebu Pacific A321neo RP-C4123 MSN 9150, delivered XFW-MCT-MNL

https://aibfamily.flights/A320/9150
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:43 pm

Despite the above, it seems 5J is still looking to reduce or delay its fleet expansion..... :point:

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... crews.html

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"The airline has implemented a sweeping review of its long-term expansion, which includes the acquisition of 61 next-generation planes until 2026. It is also pre-terminating leases on expiring contract to some of its Airbus A320 aircraft to be return to lessor earlier than expected due to excess capacity. Delivery of new aircraft are also put on hold."



For a break from all this gloom and doom, let's take a look at what's going on in CRK other than the COVID testing and quarantine there..... :relieved:

Here are a few images from SkyscraperCity posted by @Sisigboy.....


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There's a comment that the Airport Village might be transformed into a bus terminal. Fortunately, there doesn't seem to be any plan to build an airport mall or hotel which would block the facade of the terminal from view...unlike the one envisioned for CEB T2. Hopefully, they would finish CRK T2 plus the airfield facilities and complete all operational testing and commissioning before a surge in demand happens when the pandemic eases. :crossfingers:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:32 pm

Concept design from Populous Architects..... :wideeyed: .....

https://populous.com/our-projects

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:53 am

Similar to TPE's full name. But Manila International Airport is way more better than this proposed name.
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1297364/paolo-duterte-2-solons-want-naia-renamed-to-paliparang-pandaigdig-ng-pilipinas
 
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:08 pm

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Similar to TPE's full name. But Manila International Airport is way more better than this proposed name.

Renaming the airport wouldn't do much good to the branding if the facilities and services aren't up to snuff. Doubtful others would want to "own" a dysfunctional entity. If they are bent on giving it a new name, Midtown Metropolitan Manila International Airport is a conceivable option if and when NMIA is completed.....

https://manilastandard.net/business/cor ... demic.html ----- https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1298822/b ... rt-project

But the name is also a mouthful...so how to shorten it...MaMaMIA :?:

https://www.philstar.com/nation/2020/06 ... a-congress



In the meantime, this is the most comprehensive video tour around CRK T2 I have seen so far...that it more than made up for the unstable camera work..... :bigthumbsup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo

Posted by @normand in SkyscraperCity.....kudos to the creator: @Vicrenz25 vlog RV :cheerful:


The existing CRK T1 can be used for turboprop flights after CRK T2 becomes operational...until its time to build new infrastructure there.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:36 pm

[quote="Devilfish"]
https://manilastandard.net/business/cor ... demic.html ----- https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1298822/b ... rt-project

But the name is also a mouthful...so how to shorten it...MaMaMIA :?:

Thats a good one Devilsh. He He. More likely could be called MIAculpa (forgive the pun, I know its MEAculpa). An easy, Manila International Airport, appropriate and foreigners won't have any problem with the pronunciation. :)

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:37 am

SkyHigher wrote:
Similar to TPE's full name. But Manila International Airport is way more better than this proposed name.
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1297364/paolo-duterte-2-solons-want-naia-renamed-to-paliparang-pandaigdig-ng-pilipinas


They want rename NAIA to PPP. From Ninoy Aquino to Piolo Pascual Airport?! :eyepopping:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:59 pm

intaJET wrote:
(forgive the pun, I know its MEAculpa)

I think you should post it in that airline's livery change thread instead. :wink2:
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Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:46 pm

Devilfish wrote:
intaJET wrote:
(forgive the pun, I know its MEAculpa)

I think you should post it in that airline's livery change thread instead. :wink2:


Nope, it was intended for this thread. It was a play (pun) on words. I know how much Filipino's like to do that. :)

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Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:58 pm

So it's official...the Tenacious Six are not so tenacious after all..... :weightlifter: .....

https://business.inquirer.net/302040/tu ... grade-plan

https://business.inquirer.net/302024/2- ... -dominguez


I wonder who the two proponents now are? Don't tell me they are again the same guys from the mainland! If it is Megawide, I hope they would hew close to the NAIA Consortium's revised concept in #156 - which better fits the reduced scope of the project (insofar as site and structure development is concerned). That said, the design could still benefit with some sprucing up.....

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This is the right time for San Miguel's NMIA

The only way I see it moving forward in this climate is for a JV between SMC and say GMR...with the former leveraging its land holdings and the latter providing financial backing. Still, it would be a rocky "marriage of convenience" at best. :chat:
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:35 pm

I'm wondering too if DOTr is also discussing the project with POPULOUS even if the firm do not have a whole airport in their portfolio and are only doing the interiors for CRK T2? :scratchchin:
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:01 pm

Late Edit: :embarrassed2: Pardon my ignorance...I have just learned about POPULOUS' massive undertaking at KIX..... :eyepopping: .....

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81tDFjA ... e=youtu.be
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:42 pm

Devilfish wrote:
Late Edit: :embarrassed2: Pardon my ignorance...I have just learned about POPULOUS' massive undertaking at KIX..... :eyepopping: .....

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https://populous.com/wp-content/uploads ... 04x846.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81tDFjA ... e=youtu.be


Greetings everyone,

Yes, Populous (and associated group members) have numerous "World Class" projects in their portfolio. Truly feel sad that the Philippines gets embroiled in so much (political) back-and forth on projects that would genuinely benefit the general population of citizens, but ending-up being cash-cows for a handful of people only. The Filipinos deserve better. Changi, HK, KL & fast rising Vietnam (the list goes on-and-on) can get mega (airport) projects (designed, approved and actually up-and-running). With so much potential, the country falls behind many in the region. :(

Take care folks, be safe.
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Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:02 am

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Yes, Populous (and associated group members) have numerous "World Class" projects in their portfolio.

Apparently, the Government will now handle the project on its own...I really hope that POPULOUS would get to design this terminal. Furthermore, the areas in front of the terminals in the image bounded by the people mover carriageway and N. Aquino Av are long overdue for urban renewal. Their company's background in urban redevelopment makes them supremely qualified to do it. They could work with local developers to realize this optional revenue generating sector.

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... esign.html

Quote:
"According to DOTr, the P102-billion NAIA rehabilitation project will instead be implemented by the government where it will build the long delayed Terminal 5 and interconnection project."


intaJET wrote:
Truly feel sad that the Philippines gets embroiled in so much (political) back-and forth on projects that would genuinely benefit the general population of citizens, but ending-up being cash-cows for a handful of people only.

But we all know what usually happens when governments get involved -- the project is delayed, goes over budget and emerges inadequate in the end. This is just a small airport that needs modernization, so one would think that ~$2B plus a small contingency should be enough. Any shortfall could be addressed by phasing in not so critical elements towards the tail end of the project.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:09 am

The NAIA Consortium's OPS for MNL rehab is officially withdrawn by MIAA.

https://www.facebook.com/DOTrPH/posts/1750033421802453
 
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Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:23 pm

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The NAIA Consortium's OPS for MNL rehab is officially withdrawn by MIAA.

Reported by Flightglobal as well.....

https://www.flightglobal.com/coronaviru ... 19.article
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Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:42 pm

A few questions regarding Clark terminal 2. Is this a replacement for existing terminal or adding gates? Will it be used for both domestic and International flights? How many gates in T2?
 
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Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:54 pm

PAL flights have become ad hoc direct LAX/SFO-CEB services...way ahead of the envisioned launch of the route..... :arrow:

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... 11jul20-93

https://www.philippineairlines.com/Abou ... 29jun20-84



From PASBS.com...a view of what awaits them at CEB..... :ill:

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https://scontent.fceb1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/ ... e=5F30BEE4

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... vid19.html


However...nobody among the other unfortunate souls would be left behind..... :tombstone:

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Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:42 pm

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A few questions regarding Clark terminal 2. Is this a replacement for existing terminal or adding gates? Will it be used for both domestic and International flights? How many gates in T2?

CRK T2 is a completely new terminal...the existing one may be phased out depending on circumstances. T2 is intended for domestic and international flights. I think it is planned to have 22(?) gates...the very short video below gives a good idea on the number.....

https://www.facebook.com/TheBCDAGroup/v ... Lk&fref=nf


The existing T1 is towards the upper right portion of T2 along the diagonal road @ around 0.22 minutes. You can see the old runway (to be converted as a taxiway) is now blocked by T2's central concourse and a structure at the far end.
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Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:16 am

For further reference, here's a Google Earth shot of the project from SkyscraperCity.....

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//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202001 ... 053192.jpg


I don't know if they would widen, and extend both ends of the remaining runway. :scratchchin:
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:04 am

Devilfish wrote:
For further reference, here's a Google Earth shot of the project from SkyscraperCity.....

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//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202001 ... 053192.jpg


I don't know if they would widen, and extend both ends of the remaining runway. :scratchchin:


Hey Devilfish - thanks for all the updates! :airplane:

Wow, so they demolished a functional full-length, non-intersecting runway to make way for the terminal expansion? Doesn't sound like a great idea...
 
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:40 am

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Devilfish wrote:
For further reference, here's a Google Earth shot of the project from SkyscraperCity.....

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//uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202001 ... 053192.jpg


I don't know if they would widen, and extend both ends of the remaining runway. :scratchchin:


Hey Devilfish - thanks for all the updates! :airplane:

Wow, so they demolished a functional full-length, non-intersecting runway to make way for the terminal expansion? Doesn't sound like a great idea...

The decommissioned secondary runway is a bit close to the primary runway to be of significant use when the demand deems the parallel runways as necessary. For its current and midterm use, it would be a maintenance and operational burden to have the secondary kept active.

The Clark Masterplan has another pair of parallel runways, the second to be located farther west of the current, and the third to its immediate east (which I presume is a 20-50 year long term plan).
 
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:49 pm

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Hey Devilfish - thanks for all the updates!

You're welcome. Just trying to keep track as much as I can. :smile:


carlokiii wrote:
The decommissioned secondary runway is a bit close to the primary runway to be of significant use when the demand deems the parallel runways as necessary. For its current and midterm use, it would be a maintenance and operational burden to have the secondary kept active.

What's more, that old runway dates back from way before the Vietnam war. It's already very distressed and may have to be broken up anyway and rebuilt if it were to be used far into the future.

carlokiii wrote:
The Clark Masterplan has another pair of parallel runways, the second to be located farther west of the current, and the third to its immediate east (which I presume is a 20-50 year long term plan).

With the actual construction shifting a considerable distance East overlapping the old runway, there may not be enough space anymore for a new, parallel runway there complete with mandated safety areas... without eliminating other planned structures and encroaching on perimeter boundary zones. And given COVID-19, that new runway would likely be a casualty of Government's long-term development (in)actions.

I read that the planned West parallel runway is being expedited. Let us see if it (and transportation center in between) would survive the resulting recession after the pandemic has abated. :scratchchin:

From SkyscraperCity -- Jan 2020 Google Earth shot posted by @baybum7

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Superseded AdPi Clark International Airport MASTER PLAN.....

https://imgur.com/lA9bnQC
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Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:59 pm

It seems Megawide/GMR's unsolicited proposal for the modernization of NAIA may be back in the picture..... :camera: .....

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Source: posted by @Romb on SkyscraperCity


https://www.bworldonline.com/govt-takes ... 5zaGz98kHQ

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"('There were two unsolicited proposals submitted, and we will study it. If they are willing to accept the one that has been approved by NEDA-ICC, then I think we can proceed with the second proponent'), he said at a Laging Handa briefing on Monday.

However, Mr. Monreal said this is not final and guidelines would have to be ironed out.

Finance Secretary Carlos G. Dominguez III said last week there are two other proponents interested in the project at the terms the government has indicated.

Mr. Monreal said he was not aware of the two new proponents."



The FS may be trying to derail the award again. However, the Consortium's proposal above really lends itself better to a scope reduction. Question is whether Megawide/GMR would be allowed by the NAIA Consortium to use the latter's NEDA-ICC approved concept :?: I prefer POPULOUS to design the project and Megawide/GMR to build it so we can have something with a more cosmopolitan character for the metropolis (they're working together at CRK T2 afterall), not to mention the other's work on the Philippine Arena.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:32 pm

As this column opines, Megawide/GMR should strive to get the NAIA deal during the current dispensation if they're interested. Otherwise, the competition might regroup under a friendlier incoming administration -- and prolong the people's agony yet again..... :mad:

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... -naia-deal

They could submit a revised proposal, possibly designed in collaboration with their new partner AdP (Centennial Terminal designer of record). Although the latter may demur, given its proposal for CRK T2 was set aside. And speaking of CRK T2...a SkyscraperCity member posted a couple of pics saying LIPAD has started the interior fit out there.....

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posted by: @ajosh821


Couldn't wait to see this implemented..... :cheerful:

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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:54 pm

Posters in the above site are having a go at the photo op pictures being released. My pick is the Michelangelo-ish composition with some "apostles" missing..... :old: .....

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https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/ ... pg.307126/

The check-in security area equipment in another photo look similar to the KIX rendering.


Populous has a novel idea for "Flipinos" always complaining about the lack of comfortable seats at airports..... :biggrin: .....

https://populous.com/project/flip-seating


Although I doubt their solution for curbside slot grabbing would be very effective with "pasaway" Pinoy drivers..... :lol: .....

https://populous.com/project/curbshare
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:23 am

Well, Megawide-GMR got the rehab project of MNL.
https://www.facebook.com/CNNPhilippines ... 8061730074
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:44 pm

SkyHigher wrote:
Well, Megawide-GMR got the rehab project of MNL.

That was quick ! ..... :o .....

https://cnnphilippines.com/business/202 ... R8ERKcm1SI

Quote:
"Megawide's takeover is still subject to regulatory approvals and a Swiss challenge — or a call to other contractors if they are interested to build the same project at a cheaper or more favorable terms — before they can officially bag the project and break ground."


Now the questions are (1) can they adopt the Consortium's concept, (2) radically pare the scope of their own, or (3) will another firm design the project, and lastly (4) how long will the redesign effort take :?:


https://business.inquirer.net/302797/me ... ernization
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:35 pm

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1309005/c ... 1595152626

Clark airport to get tallest air traffic control tower in PH AIrport to get tallest control tower in PH
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:50 pm

From the Inquirer link.....

Quote:
"An 18-story high traffic control tower will be built by the Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC) for the Clark International Airport (CRK).

The P375-million tower will be the tallest in the country, CIAC President and Chief Executive Officer Aaron Aquino said in a statement.

Aquino said the control towers of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport and the Mactan-Cebu International Airport stand at 40 meters and 30m respectively."



That's roughly a third higher than NAIA's...and more than twice the height of the tower at CEB. Well, if the airport expansion in Clark proceeds as planned, it would really require a tall tower with a commanding view of the whole airfield development..... :wideeyed:

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Going by Megawide/GMR's lot allocation plan above, probable tower site could be at the south end of Lot-4b.


Returning to the NAIA Redevelopment proposal, its design brief may virtually be what Populous had for KIX.....

https://populous.com/project/kansai-int ... al-airport

Populous’ design will enable Kansai International Airport to secure its long-term growth by making the best possible use of existing infrastructure and maximising commercial return in a cost efficient way.

    - increase international capacity by 25% from 19.4 million passengers per year up to 30 million passengers per year
    - increase the international departure lounge and retail offerings by 60%
    - introduce world-first retail layouts based on passenger experiences and moods
    - create a seamless passenger processing experience, and to
    - provide an inspirational arrival experience to start each journey.


What's really challenging with Megawide/GMR's scheme is scaling back and changing the satellite concourse design to fit the new requirements without the whole development looking awkward in the end. As to Populous' potential participation in the project, it all depends on their asking fee, how quickly they could do it...and the OP's and DOTr's perception of the idea. Whatever, it might be the first time explosive demolition of a large building would be done in the country to get rid of that PVH relic fast (did they use it at Intercon and Mandarin too)? :spin:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:12 am

SkyHigher wrote:
Well, Megawide-GMR got the rehab project of MNL.
https://www.facebook.com/CNNPhilippines ... 8061730074


Nice, I have confidence in them after seeing what they've done with CEB in the past few years!
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:06 am

Cebu Pacific is sending most of its Airbus A321ceo (RP-C4111, 4112, 4113, 4115, 4116, 4117), a single A321neo RP-C4123 which is said to bring back the flight crew to Manila though I'm unsure if it will be stored as well? and two of its Airbus A330-300 (RP-C3441, 3442) to Allice Spring, Australia for hibernation.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 9167342396

BTW RP-C4114 is currently still at Clark however its also possible it will also go to Allies Springs to joined with its fellow A321ceo.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:34 am

AB330 wrote:
Cebu Pacific is sending most of its Airbus A321ceo (RP-C4111, 4112, 4113, 4115, 4116, 4117), a single A321neo RP-C4123 which is said to bring back the flight crew to Manila though I'm unsure if it will be stored as well? and two of its Airbus A330-300 (RP-C3441, 3442) to Allice Spring, Australia for hibernation.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 9167342396

BTW RP-C4114 is currently still at Clark however its also possible it will also go to Allies Springs to joined with its fellow A321ceo.


Better to send them to ASP, since the air is less humid there. However, this could mean that they could be there for quite a while.
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:41 am

AB330 wrote:
Cebu Pacific is sending most of its Airbus A321ceo (RP-C4111, 4112, 4113, 4115, 4116, 4117), a single A321neo RP-C4123 which is said to bring back the flight crew to Manila though I'm unsure if it will be stored as well? and two of its Airbus A330-300 (RP-C3441, 3442) to Allice Spring, Australia for hibernation.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 9167342396

BTW RP-C4114 is currently still at Clark however its also possible it will also go to Allies Springs to joined with its fellow A321ceo.

RP-C344X series are A340s, I guess it's a typo for both 5J A333s, both RP-C343X.

Alice Springs is probably the cheapest parking location with storage MX they can get vs MNL/CRK? or has a contract with their lessors as I'm sure at least the A333s are leased.
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:58 am

carlokiii wrote:
RP-C344X series are A340s, I guess it's a typo for both 5J A333s, both RP-C343X.

Alice Springs is probably the cheapest parking location with storage MX they can get vs MNL/CRK? or has a contract with their lessors as I'm sure at least the A333s are leased.


Correction I mean RP-C3341 And RP-C3342
 
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:15 pm

A couple more clearer pictures of CRK T2 from SkyscraperCity..... :camera: Planned opening is January 2021. :crossfingers:

source: @CTTO Sir Borj Meneses
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posted by: @Sisigboy

As previously noted upthread, there was concern that the Airport Village would no longer be included...even though it's still possible to implement it at both ends of the bus terminal. Of course, the naysayers have come out with their own dire prognostications...but among those, I'd say CRK T2, NAIA Rehab, LRT2 East and UGCS are relatively safe investments.

https://www.philstar.com/business/2020/ ... -viability
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:47 pm

Two more photos of CRK T2 completion work from SkyscraperCity..... :camera: .....

source: @CTTO Borj Meneses
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posted by: @Karisma


Notice of Contract Award for MCRP Package CP-N-04 -- Railway Track Structure and Underground Station at Clark.....

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posted by: @jp1032

The winner is also the builder for the Cebu-Cordova Expressway Bridge.


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Better to send them to ASP, since the air is less humid there. However, this could mean that they could be there for quite a while.

Curious that PR is relatively quiet regarding their AOG fleet...wonder what's going on in their discussions with Airbus and lessors? :scratchchin:
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Re: Philippine Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:55 am

Devilfish wrote:
Curious that PR is relatively quiet regarding their AOG fleet...wonder what's going on in their discussions with Airbus and lessors? :scratchchin:


I've noticed PAL has more active planes as a whole... so I guess there's not really a need for it. Some of the A21Ns are back online (side note, one of them did MNL-GUM a few days ago, so that's a first), and the long-haul fleet has been moving quite a bit.
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