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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 11:04 pm


TSA125 wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
EVA continues to adjust:
"As of 0745GMT 29APR20, planned operation [for May] as follows...
Taipei Taoyuan – Chicago O’Hare 1 weekly 777-300ER..."


They've flown 2x in one day on several days in the past 2-3 weeks: BR55/56 and BR1055/1056. Are both frequencies cargo-only?


Currently EVA's pax flight BR56 is scheduled to arrive O'Hare on Fridays at 21:00hrs. BR55's scheduled departure back to Taipei on Saturday is at 00:30hrs.
Any others this month I suspect are cargo.
 
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Tue May 05, 2020 11:14 pm

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I just counted and seems like 50 aircrafts landed since 15:51 thru 16:28 - all United and no other airline in between (I started to count after NK arrival and ended before DL). Flights from different origin airports. Basically CRJ, ERJ and E75's. I did not count united aircrafts landed before and after. But its much more than 75.


Strange! Did they all take gates on landing? Mass-repositioning? Hopefully not coming in for mothballing... That's all I've got. :confused:
 
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Tue May 05, 2020 11:57 pm

I have a screenshot on my phone that I sent to Bart M. to let him know what is going on and it really looked strange. I tracked few of them so none took a gate so I believe that most of them were repositioning. United has parked their aircraft on 10R/28L runway and central deicing pad as well. A lot of them are parked at Scenic hold pad (heavies), SS taxiway and at UA maintenace facility. But it looked like some kind of mass arrival, never seen that kind of action before, even in normal airport operations.
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Wed May 06, 2020 1:11 am

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I have a screenshot on my phone that I sent to Bart M. to let him know what is going on and it really looked strange. I tracked few of them so none took a gate so I believe that most of them were repositioning. United has parked their aircraft on 10R/28L runway and central deicing pad as well. A lot of them are parked at Scenic hold pad (heavies), SS taxiway and at UA maintenace facility. But it looked like some kind of mass arrival, never seen that kind of action before, even in normal airport operations.


United's May schedule has 2 "mega-banks" a day, with 70+/- departures in each bank. Provides connections in all directions
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 2:27 am

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I have a screenshot on my phone that I sent to Bart M. to let him know what is going on and it really looked strange. I tracked few of them so none took a gate so I believe that most of them were repositioning. United has parked their aircraft on 10R/28L runway and central deicing pad as well. A lot of them are parked at Scenic hold pad (heavies), SS taxiway and at UA maintenace facility. But it looked like some kind of mass arrival, never seen that kind of action before, even in normal airport operations.


United's May schedule has 2 "mega-banks" a day, with 70+/- departures in each bank. Provides connections in all directions

All in short period of time?
I looked on tomorrows arrival schedule and seems to be the same. I'll see tomorrow and possibly will hang around airport.
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 5:07 pm



"Air France this week filed planned operation for long-haul routes, as the airline extends interim schedule to early-July 2020. In latest update for the period of 01JUN20 – 05JUL20, the Skyteam member has filed additional routes with limited frequencies from 15JUN20..."

ORD-CDG 3X/ week with 789's.
Wow! An AF aircraft on the field other than A330's! (and 777F's).

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20200506
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 11:02 pm

You've got to say, one thing good the CV has brought us at O'Hare recently is the amazing array of cargo aircraft like this beauty

...or this one

...among many, many others -not to mention the pax a/c being used as cargo aircraft...
It'd be hard to list them all in the last week alone, between ALL regulars and rare visitors.
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 10:20 pm


Three weeks ago:
yeogeo wrote:
From April 9 through May KE will operate ICN – ORD 3X/week operating 777-200ER's


"Korean Air earlier this week filed preliminary International service for the month of June 2020, as the airline gradually resumes additional routes..."
ORD-ICN 5X/week 77W


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20200507
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 10:39 pm


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4X/week effective Aril 28-May31 with A-350's.


"The following is planned Qatar Airways’ planned operation between 01JUN20 and 31AUG20"...
ORD-DOH 7X/week 777-300ER

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20200507
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 12:31 am

LX sent Edelweiss A343 today as LX8. Will come back to ZRH tomorrow evening. Next flight to ORD is planned on Saturday around 3:30pm.
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Fri May 08, 2020 4:41 am

yeogeo wrote:

Three weeks ago:
yeogeo wrote:
From April 9 through May KE will operate ICN – ORD 3X/week operating 777-200ER's


"Korean Air earlier this week filed preliminary International service for the month of June 2020, as the airline gradually resumes additional routes..."
ORD-ICN 5X/week 77W


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20200507

They seem to be changing up the planes. They were using 777-200s a little while ago but are now back to the 300 and it’s showing 200s there.
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 1:15 pm

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Interesting! O'Hare, the US's Top Trade Gateway.

"O’Hare ranks first among the nation’s more than 450 airports, seaports and border crossings for both imports in the plasma and vaccine category as well as the single-dose medicine category. At the same time, O’Hare’s imports of cell phones and laptops — overwhelmingly assembled in China, the airport's largest trade partner — also surged in March when compared the total from the previous month."

Meds and cel phones - tons of them!
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 10:54 pm

...speaking of uncommon cargo carriers at O'Hare...
ASL Airlines Belgium has sent OE-IFD a couple of times lately on a LGG-ORD-YHZ-LGG rotation - just saw her today.


She typically does
LGG (Liege Airport, Belgium)-OVB (Novosibirsk International Airport, Russia)-PVG-LGG
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Sat May 09, 2020 2:47 am

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...speaking of uncommon cargo carriers at O'Hare...
ASL Airlines Belgium has sent OE-IFD a couple of times lately on a LGG-ORD-YHZ-LGG rotation - just saw her today.


She typically does
LGG (Liege Airport, Belgium)-OVB (Novosibirsk International Airport, Russia)-PVG-LGG
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Got it from last year visit but did not hesitate to take a shot during departure today. Also Edelweiss departed 2 hours later and some other cargo flights departed in between.
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Sat May 09, 2020 12:35 pm

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..and by the way photographers, there are no EVA triple sevens in the ORD A-net database.. I know its a difficult shot, operating so late at O'Hare and all, but someone needs to adjust for low light! :old:


Ask and you shall receive! ...and in broad daylight - must have been a cargo flight?
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Sat May 09, 2020 4:11 pm

yeogeo wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
..and by the way photographers, there are no EVA triple sevens in the ORD A-net database.. I know its a difficult shot, operating so late at O'Hare and all, but someone needs to adjust for low light! :old:


Ask and you shall receive! ...and in broad daylight - must have been a cargo flight?
Thanks Bill Wang


There were few flihgts of pax Eva Air in day hours last time. I think those were cargo flights along with regular Eva Cargo B77F.
Most of us have a "Hello Kitty" Eva Air but no one has posted :)
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 5:49 pm

Just saw Comlux B762 P4-CLA departed from 27L. Landed 2 hours ago for some refreshing ;) directly from Malta. Flight CXB767. Seems like its flying to RFD, it has just FL100 and now descending.
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Sun May 10, 2020 12:05 am

Here are some pics of the United aircraft parked at Rockford...

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Sun May 10, 2020 1:33 am

Wow! Looks like small VCV :)
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Sun May 10, 2020 12:18 pm

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Just saw Comlux B762 P4-CLA departed from 27L. Landed 2 hours ago for some refreshing ;) directly from Malta. Flight CXB767. Seems like its flying to RFD, it has just FL100 and now descending.



https://www.oneabove.aero/our-aircraft/bbj-767-200ER
Wow! Not the easiest aircraft to find in the database - rarely photographed I guess - hope you got some shots Gabriel!
 
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Sun May 10, 2020 12:21 pm

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Here are some pics of the United aircraft parked at Rockford...
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Amazing! Did you get a count of the total UA a/c there? Rivals the numbers at O'Hare I should think.
 
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Sun May 10, 2020 3:29 pm


yeogeo wrote:
(two days ago):
"The following is planned Qatar Airways’ planned operation between 01JUN20 and 31AUG20"...
ORD-DOH 7X/week 777-300ER


"The following is planned Qatar Airways’ planned operation between 01JUN20 and 31AUG20..."
ORD-DOH 7X/week A350

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20200510
 
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Sun May 10, 2020 3:51 pm


Delta has announced they're dropping all operations at Midway from May 13 through August.

DL "is cutting service at 10 U.S. airports serving cities including New York, Los Angeles and Chicago as part of a previously announced 85% overall reduction in its service schedule... portraying the cutbacks as an attempt to reduce its employees’ possible exposure to the coronavirus... In each case, Delta says the airports where it is temporarily pulling service are relatively close to other, larger airports that travelers can use as an alternative."

Excuse my ignorance but how much service at Midway does DL have currently, or did before CV?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/5/8/2 ... ay-chicago
 
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Sun May 10, 2020 4:10 pm


This could be interesting:
"The long-ailing carrier will be nationalised from June 2020 and "focus strongly on long-haul routes, also with new transatlantic alliances,” Industry Minister Stefano Patuanelli said on Thursday. The government is also considering switching Alitalia’s partnership to Lufthansa and Star Alliance, abandoning a current tie-up with Delta Air Lines and SkyTeam, newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore reported."

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... r-alliance

We'll see if the alliance change will actually happen, but if it does, O'Hare will likely see more service (year-round? One can hope...) from the re-born Italian airline.

First reported by
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in the Alitalia News and Discussion Thread

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Sun May 10, 2020 8:00 pm

yeogeo wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
Just saw Comlux B762 P4-CLA departed from 27L. Landed 2 hours ago for some refreshing ;) directly from Malta. Flight CXB767. Seems like its flying to RFD, it has just FL100 and now descending.



https://www.oneabove.aero/our-aircraft/bbj-767-200ER
Wow! Not the easiest aircraft to find in the database - rarely photographed I guess - hope you got some shots Gabriel!

Actually not the c/s that is currently on the a/c. Now it looks similar to P4-MLO but it has more navy blue on the bottom. No picture of new c/s in database yet...
And did not take any pictures, realized too late when was departing from 27L. Just stopped for US Customs and went to RFD.
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Sun May 10, 2020 8:09 pm

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Delta has announced they're dropping all operations at Midway from May 13 through August.

DL "is cutting service at 10 U.S. airports serving cities including New York, Los Angeles and Chicago as part of a previously announced 85% overall reduction in its service schedule... portraying the cutbacks as an attempt to reduce its employees’ possible exposure to the coronavirus... In each case, Delta says the airports where it is temporarily pulling service are relatively close to other, larger airports that travelers can use as an alternative."

Excuse my ignorance but how much service at Midway does DL have currently, or did before CV?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/5/8/2 ... ay-chicago


I think the only served ATL on their mainline jets, mostly just 717 and 737-700’s. MSP and DTW were Delta Connection.

Completely dwarfed by Southwest at MDW, much smaller operations than what they had at ORD, but still I would regularly see the random Delta jet when I commuted through there. I never understood why they had ops at Midway.
 
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Sun May 10, 2020 9:39 pm

Has anyone arrived on an international flight at ORD recently? I'm flying BA from LHR in a few weeks and I was wondering if there's anything noteworthy I should expect upon arrival. Based on a quick online search, I can't seem to find anything about the existence of an official quarantine policy. Even if Illinois does have some sort of policy that I'm not aware of, I'm heading to Wisconsin so I doubt they'd be checking up on me there. As of now BA isn't requiring passengers to wear masks and I'm not sure if they provide the masks as a courtesy for those that choose to wear them. I am aware of the Illinois mask law but does anyone know how strictly they enforce it? Am I going to get a lot of flack if I don't have a mask while I'm exiting through T5?
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Mon May 11, 2020 2:38 am

Completely dwarfed by Southwest at MDW, much smaller operations than what they had at ORD, but still I would regularly see the random Delta jet when I commuted through there. I never understood why they had ops at Midway.[/quote]

The MSP flights were adopted from NW. NW started those flights back in the 70s I think.
The ATL flights were started to fight ValuJet/AirTran ATL flights.
Not sure when the DTW flights started but I think it was just prior to the merger.
I don’t understand when people question why an airline flies at MDW and ORD. No one questions why in Southern California, Northern California or NY. It’s not as if the Chicagoland area is small, they have 10 million people.
Volaris also flies to both airports.
 
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Mon May 11, 2020 3:12 pm

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Has anyone arrived on an international flight at ORD recently? I'm flying BA from LHR in a few weeks and I was wondering if there's anything noteworthy I should expect upon arrival. Based on a quick online search, I can't seem to find anything about the existence of an official quarantine policy. Even if Illinois does have some sort of policy that I'm not aware of, I'm heading to Wisconsin so I doubt they'd be checking up on me there. As of now BA isn't requiring passengers to wear masks and I'm not sure if they provide the masks as a courtesy for those that choose to wear them. I am aware of the Illinois mask law but does anyone know how strictly they enforce it? Am I going to get a lot of flack if I don't have a mask while I'm exiting through T5?


I was hoping someone who has transferred at O'Hare recently, Int'l>Domestic, would respond because I'm curious to see how things have progressed since I did a transfer in mid March just after the shiitake hit the fan.

My experience is of probably little use to you now, but the repatriation then involved huge lines to get through customs only to be escorted (like everyone) to a room with CDC personnel dressed in full protective gear. There they took my temperature (twice for good measure) and had me fill out a form which included contact info. I was then told to quarantine for two weeks at home, with the CDC contacting me twice daily via email asking for my temperature and whether I had any other symptoms on a list.

I had travelled ORD-AMS-LHR-ORD. At that time there were no mask requirements for passengers or crew of course.

What was a planned two-week trip turned into 48 hours of flying over the pond then trying to return to the States immediately on arrival in Amsterdam. AMS was a huge mess (it was the morning after the announcement of the flight ban on continental Europe), but managed to get a flight to London which turned out well: within a few hours at LHR booked a flight home for the next day.

Looking back now I realize in Amsterdam we had our last "normal" dinner in public since this whole thing began - that was nice!
Anyway, mke, best of luck!
 
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Mon May 11, 2020 3:26 pm

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The MSP flights were adopted from NW. NW started those flights back in the 70s I think.
The ATL flights were started to fight ValuJet/AirTran ATL flights.
Not sure when the DTW flights started but I think it was just prior to the merger.
I don’t understand when people question why an airline flies at MDW and ORD. No one questions why in Southern California, Northern California or NY. It’s not as if the Chicagoland area is small, they have 10 million people.
Volaris also flies to both airports.


They're definitely different markets, MDW & ORD.
How many flights did they have per day do you know?
 
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Mon May 11, 2020 4:29 pm

Yeo, I assume you mean pre Corona?
I think there were 7-8 ATL flights primarily on 717s but maybe an 319 as well.
MSP had around 7 or so basically all CRJ 7 and 9
DTW was around 5 on CRJ 7s I think but for the winter I think they were down to 200s.
This is just off the top of my head so if someone with a better memory can chime in that would be helpful.
 
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Mon May 11, 2020 4:41 pm

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Completely dwarfed by Southwest at MDW, much smaller operations than what they had at ORD, but still I would regularly see the random Delta jet when I commuted through there. I never understood why they had ops at Midway.


The MSP flights were adopted from NW. NW started those flights back in the 70s I think.
The ATL flights were started to fight ValuJet/AirTran ATL flights.
Not sure when the DTW flights started but I think it was just prior to the merger.
I don’t understand when people question why an airline flies at MDW and ORD. No one questions why in Southern California, Northern California or NY. It’s not as if the Chicagoland area is small, they have 10 million people.
Volaris also flies to both airports.


The NW DTW and MSP flights were around for as long as I can remember. I flew MDW-DTW-MCO back in 2005. DL had been in and out over the years, I remember once they had CR2 service to CVG during the heyday of OH. It doesn't make sense for WN to serve ORD and UA/AA to serve MDW, but with as large of a city as it is and being the only one without a hub, a split operation works for DL.
 
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Mon May 11, 2020 5:34 pm

The NW flights to DTW were there in the 90's. They may have been on the route even before Midway I shut down.
 
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Mon May 11, 2020 6:49 pm

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Has anyone arrived on an international flight at ORD recently? I'm flying BA from LHR in a few weeks and I was wondering if there's anything noteworthy I should expect upon arrival. Based on a quick online search, I can't seem to find anything about the existence of an official quarantine policy. Even if Illinois does have some sort of policy that I'm not aware of, I'm heading to Wisconsin so I doubt they'd be checking up on me there. As of now BA isn't requiring passengers to wear masks and I'm not sure if they provide the masks as a courtesy for those that choose to wear them. I am aware of the Illinois mask law but does anyone know how strictly they enforce it? Am I going to get a lot of flack if I don't have a mask while I'm exiting through T5?


You'll arrive at either M13 or M15 depending. All European flights with passengers are gated on M13-M18 only. No co-mingling of other pax (QR, EY, Y4). You'll be processed normally by Immigration and then directed over to where carousel 9 is for a CDC check. After that, if all goes well you'll be out the door once you claim your bag.

The law is wear a mask if you can't maintain 6' distance from folks. I can tell you most in the Terminal aren't wearing masks outside of the TSA and prospect folks.
 
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Tue May 12, 2020 12:15 am

I compiled the figures in the latest OAG Capacity Stats, out a couple of days ago, into a couple of tables organized in a way that makes sense (compared to how they rank their numbers) in order to see how O'Hare is doing in relation to the other 19 in the Top 20 Airports by Capacity.

These are figures for the latest 12 months ending in April 2020 in millions of seats:
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The same airports arranged by percentage decrease in capacity over the same 12 months:
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For the April '20 monthly figures alone, May's report show that all airports on the list experienced double digit decreases compared to the April 2019 numbers, not surprisingly. They ranged in a -91.2 percentage decrease at HKG to a -33.1 percentage decrease for HND. O'Hare came in at -79.9 percent decrease, April 2020 vs April 2019.

"Atlanta, which was the largest airport in the world in terms of seats [in the May 2019 report], has seen monthly capacity fall from 5.5 million seats to 1.1 million. Tokyo Haneda is now the largest airport with seat volume this month of 3 million, having reduced capacity by a more modest 35%."

https://www.oag.com/hubfs/free-reports/ ... e=hs_email
 
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Tue May 12, 2020 3:01 am

VI IL76 arrrived today at 7:20a (scheduled to depart at midnight). Tomorrow VI will send A124 to ORD, ETA 1.30p
Blue Angels will do fly-over tomorrow to do a big shout for all those fighting with CoVid19 (what I know they will fly from IND) above Chicagoland (Chicago, Evanston, Franklin Pk, Melrose Pk , Norridge, Burbank, Oak Lawn) between 11:45 and noon.
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Tue May 12, 2020 12:09 pm

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VI IL76 arrrived today at 7:20a (scheduled to depart at midnight).


That was RA-76511, here at Maastricht:


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Tue May 12, 2020 4:47 pm

Looking at a few SV repatriation flights over the next several weeks.
 
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Tue May 12, 2020 5:33 pm

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Tomorrow VI will send A124 to ORD, ETA 1.30p.


RA-82081 coming your way Chicago as I type - had a visual at 27,000' in clear blue sky directly over my house! Noisy sucker.


Since May 7 has operated DOH-ATH-FRA-KEF and now, shortly, O'Hare.
 
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Tue May 12, 2020 5:41 pm

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Looking at a few SV repatriation flights over the next several weeks.


Very nice! Any ideas on aircraft we can expect? 777 or 787 I'm guessing.

 
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Tue May 12, 2020 7:59 pm


Glad to see this:
"Lisbon – Chicago O’Hare Service resumes on 01AUG20, 3 of 4-7 weekly open for reservation. A330-900neo operating."

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20200512
 
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Tue May 12, 2020 10:28 pm

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"The week of 10MAY20 shows the airline scheduled overall 130 weekly flights."
...one of which will be ORD-MSP 1X/week :roll:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20200512
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 13, 2020 12:41 am

jcwr56 wrote:
Looking at a few SV repatriation flights over the next several weeks.

Good to know,
Thanks! Will definitely track it.
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 13, 2020 12:52 am

yeogeo wrote:
gabik001 wrote:
VI IL76 arrrived today at 7:20a (scheduled to depart at midnight).


That was RA-76511, here at Maastricht:


Love me a good "vodka burner" :bigthumbsup:

Yep, third visit of this a/c here. She was at ORD last time (two weeks ago or so) and in Nov. 2019 (actually this flight was unknown - plane arrived at 11pm and deprted at midnight next day so even "airside" fellows did not know ) so I did some spotting when was sitting at NE cargo ramp (VDA allways using the same gate).
Now waiting for some ADB birds here ;)
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 13, 2020 12:57 am

NW flew DTW-MDW on DC-9's since at least the late 80's to counter Midway I and later WN on MDW-DTW and MDW-DET (in WN's case). They were frequently "stubbies" DC9-10's and I don't recall DTW ever getting anything bigger than a DC-9. Mainline disappeared on DTW-MDW as the CR9's came online and stubby DC9's were retired. MDW-MSP on the other hand saw all manner DC-9's, 727's, 757's, ARJ's, CRJ's, and CR9's over the years before the merger.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 13, 2020 1:06 am

While I highly doubt any of the US3 go under as a result of this crisis, the comment made by the CEO of Boeing yesterday does raise an interesting proposition for ORD if one did.

Any of the US3 going under would have huge ramifications for ORD, since it would almost certainly result in one less hub. This would negate the need for ORD21 in its current form.

Since AA would be the most likely of the US3 to go under (though again, I would be shocked if it actually happened), UA could get ORD to themselves essentially. This could allow for a more through redevelopment of the terminal core long term (once things recover) and could possibly eliminate the need for T5 altogether, creating a much more efficient airport.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 13, 2020 1:52 am

BNAMealer wrote:
While I highly doubt any of the US3 go under as a result of this crisis, the comment made by the CEO of Boeing yesterday does raise an interesting proposition for ORD if one did.

Any of the US3 going under would have huge ramifications for ORD, since it would almost certainly result in one less hub. This would negate the need for ORD21 in its current form.

Since AA would be the most likely of the US3 to go under (though again, I would be shocked if it actually happened), UA could get ORD to themselves essentially. This could allow for a more through redevelopment of the terminal core long term (once things recover) and could possibly eliminate the need for T5 altogether, creating a much more efficient airport.


In that scenario, if AA folds and no one is there to pick up the capacity at ORD, could it mean a WN move to O’Hare and a closing of Midway?

I understand there is a lot more to Midway than I’m giving credit. Just imagining the possibility. T3 is more than enough space for them.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 13, 2020 1:55 am

BNAMealer wrote:
While I highly doubt any of the US3 go under as a result of this crisis, the comment made by the CEO of Boeing yesterday does raise an interesting proposition for ORD if one did.

Any of the US3 going under would have huge ramifications for ORD, since it would almost certainly result in one less hub. This would negate the need for ORD21 in its current form.

Since AA would be the most likely of the US3 to go under (though again, I would be shocked if it actually happened), UA could get ORD to themselves essentially. This could allow for a more through redevelopment of the terminal core long term (once things recover) and could possibly eliminate the need for T5 altogether, creating a much more efficient airport.


I had to rewatch the interview because I was surprised how nonchalant Dave Calhoun was when he made those comments. I don't think he meant "going under" as in ceasing operations and liquidating assets, but rather, going bankrupt and restructuring, reorganizing, etc. I'm certain any of the US3 would receive substantial federal support in any event.

Then I realized that major airlines file for bankruptcy all the time. AA did it last as recently as 2011. United filed in 2002. Delta in 2005. Prior to that Continental and Frontier did so in the 80's and continued to fly for decades. Same goes for Sun Country.

This could actually be a good thing, even for Boeing. In fact, Phil Lebaue at CNBC noted that often times, restructuring airlines will use bankruptcies to modernize, update their fleets. So I have a feeling that's why Dave didn't appear too worried about a potential bankruptcy.

Anyway: I don't think it should impact O'hare 21.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed May 13, 2020 12:56 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
Yeo, I assume you mean pre Corona?
I think there were 7-8 ATL flights primarily on 717s but maybe an 319 as well.
MSP had around 7 or so basically all CRJ 7 and 9
DTW was around 5 on CRJ 7s I think but for the winter I think they were down to 200s.
This is just off the top of my head so if someone with a better memory can chime in that would be helpful.


(re: Delta at MDW)
Interesting, planeboy. A pretty substantial station for them; I had no idea. They'll be back to Midway, IMO.

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