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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:47 am

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This isn’t going to help things improve:

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-travel- ... e/6301590/


Definitely not if people actually follow it. I’m flying into ORD in under a month for a weekend visit in west suburbs. I hope the quarantine doesn’t extend to them.
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:03 pm

I would expect LY in 2021 at the earliest. I can imagine the same applies for NZ and QF. AY won't be back until S21, CX keeps pushing back their return. Norwegian, technically they still hold times but lets' face it, I don't see them coming back. HU and MU are operating cargo only..Interjet, not with the millions owed to the CDA. AZ, given they're a seasonal carrier, you have 3 months or remaining, so I would guess not until S21.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:57 pm

Thanks for the update, however grim. Let’s hope S21 is a hell of a lot better than this summer, and not just pertaining to aviation.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:14 pm

SRQLOT wrote:
DL717 wrote:
This isn’t going to help things improve:

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-travel- ... e/6301590/


Definitely not if people actually follow it. I’m flying into ORD in under a month for a weekend visit in west suburbs. I hope the quarantine doesn’t extend to them.

Illinois has a quarantine only for passengers flying from Iran, Italy and China.
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:33 pm

][quote="SRQLOT wrote:
DL717 wrote:
This isn’t going to help things improve:

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-travel- ... e/6301590/


Definitely not if people actually follow it. I’m flying into ORD in under a month for a weekend visit in west suburbs. I hope the quarantine doesn’t extend to them.

Illinois has a quarantine only for passengers flying from Iran, Italy and China.[/quote]

gabik001 Perhaps you missed this headline - Chicago quarantine: Emergency travel order takes effect for travelers from states with high COVID-19 infections
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:21 pm

midexjet wrote:
][quote="SRQLOT wrote:

Definitely not if people actually follow it. I’m flying into ORD in under a month for a weekend visit in west suburbs. I hope the quarantine doesn’t extend to them.

Illinois has a quarantine only for passengers flying from Iran, Italy and China.


gabik001 Perhaps you missed this headline - Chicago quarantine: Emergency travel order takes effect for travelers from states with high COVID-19 infections


Are we talking about Chicago or Illinois? West suburbs is not Chicago in my point of view...
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:36 am

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I was bored and our power went out yesterday and drove my daughter out to ORD so we could just sit in air conditioning. I went up Mannheim from the south and saw a EK B77W and an LX A330 parked up against the roadway. I then took I-190 into the Departures loop and other than T1 being completely deserted as it was mid-day and UA re-launched their mid-day bank today, I also noticed a full complement of new ATS trains running test runs, so hopefully that is very close to opening.


I was in the area today - I drove down Mannheim past the CONRAC and saw a train departing the station. I saw another train arrive at the Lot E station as well, so it was great to see the blue cars moving around out there - I really like their look.

I haven't been around the terminals since March, but it was very eery to see parking Lots E,G, and H so deserted. I had never seen them like that, ever. Looked like there was some construction work going on around lots E/H, but it wasn't really clear what was going on from the street.

Saw EK 77W, NH77W, and BA 789 all parked by the T5 hardstand - quite a sight as well!
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:03 pm

And LY is "indefinitely suspending" ORD - https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/el-al ... ely-634331
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:42 pm

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And LY is "indefinitely suspending" ORD - https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/el-al ... ely-634331


It's a real bummer, even though it was expected. LY and QF were the two tails I was really looking forward to seeing this year.

I think there's still some hope for QF. At least UA is going to pick up the mantle to TLV, but it would be great to take LY on that route. Hopefully some day soon.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:26 pm

ORDfan wrote:
ORD Boy 2 wrote:
And LY is "indefinitely suspending" ORD - https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/el-al ... ely-634331


It's a real bummer, even though it was expected. LY and QF were the two tails I was really looking forward to seeing this year.

I think there's still some hope for QF. At least UA is going to pick up the mantle to TLV, but it would be great to take LY on that route. Hopefully some day soon.


QF's entire long-haul fleet in 2021 will be 11 or so 787-9s. Chicago won't happen. Qantas doesn't even expect to resume LAX until mid-2021.

United's TLV service is temporary. It's a cargo flight that they will sell tickets on.
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:23 pm

EWR-TLV is doing OK right now, pulling decent LF's. There does seem to be disproportionately large demand for travel to Israel from the US right now compared to other countries compared to normal. Basically they have widebodies and basically aren't going to fly them extensively to Europe and Asia flying is going to remain quite limited through the end of the year. UA has never been strong at LATAM and although IAH-GRU is killing it right now because it's the only game in town, I don't think UA is eager to jump all in on GRU know how bad the COVID situation in Brazil is right now. Israel has a very stringent COVID program and no excess deaths but is allowing Americans, so demand is there. The fact that there's healthy cargo demand bolstered by the fact that several LY flights that were flying aren't anymore.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:06 am

MAH4546 wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
ORD Boy 2 wrote:
And LY is "indefinitely suspending" ORD - https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/el-al ... ely-634331


It's a real bummer, even though it was expected. LY and QF were the two tails I was really looking forward to seeing this year.

I think there's still some hope for QF. At least UA is going to pick up the mantle to TLV, but it would be great to take LY on that route. Hopefully some day soon.


QF's entire long-haul fleet in 2021 will be 11 or so 787-9s. Chicago won't happen. Qantas doesn't even expect to resume LAX until mid-2021.

United's TLV service is temporary. It's a cargo flight that they will sell tickets on.


Considering how successful UA has been with TLV, don't be shocked if you are wrong and TLV sticks. Those LY flights were booked solid due to demand and people want that flight to stick..
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:13 am

ORD Boy 2 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
ORDfan wrote:

It's a real bummer, even though it was expected. LY and QF were the two tails I was really looking forward to seeing this year.

I think there's still some hope for QF. At least UA is going to pick up the mantle to TLV, but it would be great to take LY on that route. Hopefully some day soon.


QF's entire long-haul fleet in 2021 will be 11 or so 787-9s. Chicago won't happen. Qantas doesn't even expect to resume LAX until mid-2021.

United's TLV service is temporary. It's a cargo flight that they will sell tickets on.


Considering how successful UA has been with TLV, don't be shocked if you are wrong and TLV sticks. Those LY flights were booked solid due to demand and people want that flight to stick..


I am not "wrong." It is a temporary flight that will operate through February 4th. I can't be wrong about a fact.

That said, sure, maybe it stays around. In this market environment? Very unlikely but maybe if El Al doesn't get things in order.
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:59 am

MAH4546 wrote:
ORD Boy 2 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

QF's entire long-haul fleet in 2021 will be 11 or so 787-9s. Chicago won't happen. Qantas doesn't even expect to resume LAX until mid-2021.

United's TLV service is temporary. It's a cargo flight that they will sell tickets on.


Considering how successful UA has been with TLV, don't be shocked if you are wrong and TLV sticks. Those LY flights were booked solid due to demand and people want that flight to stick..


I am not "wrong." It is a temporary flight that will operate through February 4th. I can't be wrong about a fact.

That said, sure, maybe it stays around. In this market environment? Very unlikely but maybe if El Al doesn't get things in order.


I didn't mean you are wrong, I have not seen a 2/4 announcement of route closure anywhere. I know there are plenty of people including myself in my professional circles who have lobbied LY, AA and UA for this route for years, and whoever makes that happen will get $$$ from Chicagoans and elsewhere in a post COVID environment for flying that route.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:13 am

ORD Boy 2 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
ORD Boy 2 wrote:

Considering how successful UA has been with TLV, don't be shocked if you are wrong and TLV sticks. Those LY flights were booked solid due to demand and people want that flight to stick..


I am not "wrong." It is a temporary flight that will operate through February 4th. I can't be wrong about a fact.

That said, sure, maybe it stays around. In this market environment? Very unlikely but maybe if El Al doesn't get things in order.


I didn't mean you are wrong, I have not seen a 2/4 announcement of route closure anywhere. I know there are plenty of people including myself in my professional circles who have lobbied LY, AA and UA for this route for years, and whoever makes that happen will get $$$ from Chicagoans and elsewhere in a post COVID environment for flying that route.


It's in GDS and only loaded only through 2/4/21.
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:42 pm

Anyone knows what happened to LX8 flight today? Seems like flight returned to ZRH after 2hrs 50min in the air from area near NW Great Britain and did some hold patterns near ZRH to burn fuel.
Another substitute flight is now in the air, ETA around midnight.
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:10 pm

I see from the LH website that MUC flights are now departing from T1 again. When were they switched back? From current schedules, it looks like between 15:00 and 16:00 on Mondays, both LH aircraft are parked at T1.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:17 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
ORD Boy 2 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

I am not "wrong." It is a temporary flight that will operate through February 4th. I can't be wrong about a fact.

That said, sure, maybe it stays around. In this market environment? Very unlikely but maybe if El Al doesn't get things in order.


I didn't mean you are wrong, I have not seen a 2/4 announcement of route closure anywhere. I know there are plenty of people including myself in my professional circles who have lobbied LY, AA and UA for this route for years, and whoever makes that happen will get $$$ from Chicagoans and elsewhere in a post COVID environment for flying that route.


It's in GDS and only loaded only through 2/4/21.


Not sure why some people have to confidently spout bs here, it's not like it can't be verified! It's available for sale on united.com and all booking codes can be seen on expertflyer till EOS; it has been that way since the schedule was added!
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:37 pm

A story ran on CBS last week about the people mover. Looks like no timeline on completion.

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/07/09 ... nning-yet/
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:51 pm

Giving credit, where credit is due. While ORD is experiencing its fair share of delays related to the modernization project, the Midway Modernization Program has progressed nicely and on-time.

The MMP website was updated, and it looks like the new security hall should be opening on-time later this month. It's look great to me so far... nearly identical to the renderings - which is good to see, since I thought the design was very cool. I think CDA scaled back or halted the proposed parking garage expansion, but looks like the garage will still be getting some refreshing.

https://www.mdwmod.com/progress/pages/default.aspx

https://www.mdwmod.com/SiteCollectionDo ... e_2020.pdf
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:20 pm

Heads up ORD spotters: According to this forum, the next KLM 747-400 (registration PH-BFN) will head to MHV on August 24 on the AMS-ORD-MHV route.

https://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php ... start=4515
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:48 am

August 24?
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:13 am

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August 24?


Yes. The entire ferry (AMS-ORD-MHV) for PH-BFN will happen on one day, similar to PH-BFY back in June. FlightAware still has the details of that flight if you want to check it out.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM747
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:49 pm

BTW, it was posted on Boutique Air's website as their launch of IWD-ORD is now roughly a week away that they will be operating from T3 and using the L9 ground board gates alongside 9K and 3E. It does not say to check in at some other airline's counter, so they've somehow added space down on the East end of T3 or stuck Boutique's name above or below that of Cape or Air Choice One. Maybe they reshuffled enough space after moving F9, AS, and B6 out the T3 check-in area that they actually have plenty of space. The only carrier that really needed more space was NK and by removing those 3 I'm sure they got more than enough. (I don't go in T3 very often, so if anyone has any better info on where the Boutique check-in will be please share).
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:09 pm

A little noteworthy moment. The far east end of T5 (M19/20/21) was demo'd yesterday. About 16 caissons so far have been drilled for the addition and the temporary walkway and bridges are still being installed.

As a reminder, Boutique Air starts this Saturday (8/1) out of L11a/b twice a day. And as drdisque mentioned, Boutique will use the EAS check in area until NK relocates some of their counters to the opposite side mid-August.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:47 pm

Paschen with some new posts:
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Good view and also answers a question I had about gates and how they'd interact with Taxiway D -- the 'stub' of YY going from NW to SE is going to go away, the only way to get to the maintenance area will be from YY1 and YY2, so we'll be back to the days of having a 'West Gate' and 'East Gate'

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Nice shot looking east, shows the remaining tie-in work to be completed on the north along Taxiway D and the the rest of the Taxiway E connectors.

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Maybe my fav. shot of the bunch, good view of the 9R extension progress. Mainly the SS/T demo/removal reflected in the current NFDC construction reports.

H/T to Paschen's FB page. They've been fairly regular and shoot good pictures, appreciate that about them.

The IFP gateway is still showing the approaches to 9C-27C under development, while the updated STAR's are at Flight Check. OIS is showing FLC78 shooting the 9L and 10L ILS Wednesday and Thursday night (2030L and 2130L), not sure when they'll get out there to do the needed actions for 9C-27C.

It'll be exciting to get this one done and move the construction focus to the 9R extension and the revised geometry on the south-side with N between T and DD.

Now if we can only get the people-mover...moving...
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:30 pm

VCVSpotter wrote:
ordpark wrote:
August 24?


Yes. The entire ferry (AMS-ORD-MHV) for PH-BFN will happen on one day, similar to PH-BFY back in June. FlightAware still has the details of that flight if you want to check it out.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM747


I'm so sad to see there KL birds go, but it's also quite fitting that they make one last stop at ORD before the graveyard.

Out of curiosity though, what's behind the decision to have these retiring KL 747 stop at ORD? Is it one last cargo run or is there a crew change for the final leg to MHV? Something else I'm not thinking of?
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:40 pm

ORDfan wrote:
VCVSpotter wrote:
ordpark wrote:
August 24?


Yes. The entire ferry (AMS-ORD-MHV) for PH-BFN will happen on one day, similar to PH-BFY back in June. FlightAware still has the details of that flight if you want to check it out.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM747


I'm so sad to see there KL birds go, but it's also quite fitting that they make one last stop at ORD before the graveyard.

Out of curiosity though, what's behind the decision to have these retiring KL 747 stop at ORD? Is it one last cargo run or is there a crew change for the final leg to MHV? Something else I'm not thinking of?


They have cargo flown on the AMS-ORD sector (with PH-BFS, not sure if they did with PH-BFY), they also have to clear customs at ORD as MHV does not have a customs facility. ORD is the most 'on the way' major US airport that KLM operates at, so they stop there. Sorry for the poor grammar lol.
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:36 pm

VCVSpotter wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
VCVSpotter wrote:

Yes. The entire ferry (AMS-ORD-MHV) for PH-BFN will happen on one day, similar to PH-BFY back in June. FlightAware still has the details of that flight if you want to check it out.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/KLM747


I'm so sad to see there KL birds go, but it's also quite fitting that they make one last stop at ORD before the graveyard.

Out of curiosity though, what's behind the decision to have these retiring KL 747 stop at ORD? Is it one last cargo run or is there a crew change for the final leg to MHV? Something else I'm not thinking of?


They have cargo flown on the AMS-ORD sector (with PH-BFS, not sure if they did with PH-BFY), they also have to clear customs at ORD as MHV does not have a customs facility. ORD is the most 'on the way' major US airport that KLM operates at, so they stop there. Sorry for the poor grammar lol.


Good stuff, thanks for the followup. I sort of assumed that regarding the cargo leg...makes total economic sense for KLM.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:39 pm

jcwr56 wrote:
A little noteworthy moment. The far east end of T5 (M19/20/21) was demo'd yesterday. About 16 caissons so far have been drilled for the addition and the temporary walkway and bridges are still being installed.

As a reminder, Boutique Air starts this Saturday (8/1) out of L11a/b twice a day. And as drdisque mentioned, Boutique will use the EAS check in area until NK relocates some of their counters to the opposite side mid-August.


I'll take a spin down Mannheim this weekend and see if I can spot it from there. I'm excited that this project is moving forward, but a bit sad now. Had some good memories flying out of M20/21. Austrian seemed like it was regularly departing from there for years it seemed like in the 2010s.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:23 pm

Starting October 1st, 2020, Cape Air will take over the Manistee (MBL) - Chicago flight. It will be double daily service but the service will be to ORD instead of MDW. Ultimate Jet Charters will cease service on September 30th.

All flights on 9K will be on the Tecnam P2012 Traveller and the schedule (presumably morning afternoon service) will be the following:

• Manistee (MBL) – Chicago (ORD): 2 daily, round-trip flights (fall, winter, and spring) - starting October 1st
• Manistee (MBL) – Chicago (ORD): 4 daily, round trip flights (summer season) - starting in May 2021

https://flymanistee.com/wp-content/uplo ... apeAir.pdf
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:42 am

Yesterday BA start sending A35K instead of B789 as BAW297.
Also looks like Astral Aviation ACP/8V (Air Atlanta Icelandic - ABD/CC) started regular to ORD from FRA. 8V4500/4501 every Sunday. Today TF-AMU was used and it was first time with daylight. Last week they sent TF-AMM but landed at night and departed early morning to FRA.
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:02 pm

In case you haven't meandered through some of the recent ORD photos, Ryan Patterson has posted some incredible aerial photos.

I have never seen ORD photos from this angle - it looks more like some of LAX photos.

Anyway, just thought I'd draw attention to these fantastic shots since they are so rare. Anyone have any idea how this goes about happening? I've had a photographer friend receive a commercial filming permit years ago because he was taking airfield photos for a local company, but this level of permitting must have been next level.

 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:26 pm

ORDfan wrote:
In case you haven't meandered through some of the recent ORD photos, Ryan Patterson has posted some incredible aerial photos.

I have never seen ORD photos from this angle - it looks more like some of LAX photos.

Anyway, just thought I'd draw attention to these fantastic shots since they are so rare. Anyone have any idea how this goes about happening? I've had a photographer friend receive a commercial filming permit years ago because he was taking airfield photos for a local company, but this level of permitting must have been next level.


I like the shadow of ABW... Really nice.
Anyway, if he used helo they might request landing at ORD helipad. Approaching helipad from west going between rwy 10L and 9R so actually over terminals.
Also transitioning airway over ORD for hell's are same way like approaching helipad so they might use either way.
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:50 pm

gabik001 wrote:
ORDfan wrote:
In case you haven't meandered through some of the recent ORD photos, Ryan Patterson has posted some incredible aerial photos.

I have never seen ORD photos from this angle - it looks more like some of LAX photos.

Anyway, just thought I'd draw attention to these fantastic shots since they are so rare. Anyone have any idea how this goes about happening? I've had a photographer friend receive a commercial filming permit years ago because he was taking airfield photos for a local company, but this level of permitting must have been next level.


I like the shadow of ABW... Really nice.
Anyway, if he used helo they might request landing at ORD helipad. Approaching helipad from west going between rwy 10L and 9R so actually over terminals.
Also transitioning airway over ORD for hell's are same way like approaching helipad so they might use either way.


Thanks Gabik... interesting to know. Had no clue that a helipad approach would bring them right over the terminals, but then again, I never actually looked up the location of the helipads.


On another note: CDA posted May data recently. Still a very ugly picture: hoping to see a bounce off the bottom in JJ. Is ORD going to crack 40 million pax this year?

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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:06 am

New NFDD update out today with the 10 SEP diagram update. Nothing too massive, outline of the 9R extension beginning to take hold, some revised geometry at K, SS and T, with K3 and A9 now connecting across the SS/T median. Starting to see the first new construction outline north of N where SS had been chopped on the previous update. Only thing that somewhat surprised me was seeing the YY stub going from NW to SE and terminating on D still there, thought they were getting rid of that. In the last few photos Paschen posted it didn't look like there was gate infrastructure there to limit AC movement into the hanger area, although I suppose that could still be done.

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Per OIS, FlightCheck had been out in C90 over the past few weeks (and should continue to do so). The STAR's just got updated today in the IFP gateway, so it looks like no major showstoppers for any of those.

Going by past trend the construction update on the NFDC page should reflect the updated changes on 10 September.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:24 pm

Flew past the departure end of 10L today, a mass of jetbridges is being fitted off the East end of T5 (a la pre-expansion AUS style). Is anyone in the know of who is moving over there first? Delta? Spirit?
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Planeboy17
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:47 pm

I think they are doing a complete jetbridge replacement for all of T5.
 
tendy04
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:35 pm

Getting a first look at the 27C approach plates via IFP gateway and the new fixes:

IAF is VOGLR with a 282 vector to the following:

NCHLS -> CRICO -> CERMI -> BOOWW -> MRRFF -> JMBBO -> DRSCL (FAF) -> YVONE

More to come. Nothing on 9C yet.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:03 am

MLIAA wrote:
Flew past the departure end of 10L today, a mass of jetbridges is being fitted off the East end of T5 (a la pre-expansion AUS style). Is anyone in the know of who is moving over there first? Delta? Spirit?

Do you know if the 380-capable bridge will be replaced?
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:47 am

Here is the current breakdown of WN service out of MDW in January 2021 starting on 1/5/2021 (as of 8/21/2020):
2x ALB, 1x ABQ, 6x ATL, 3x AUS, 6x BWI, 1x BHM, 4x BOS, 2x BUF, 1x CUN, 1x CHS, 2x CLT, 4x CVG, 4x CLE, 4x CMH, 9x DAL, 9x DEN, 4x DTW, 5x FLL, 4x RSW, 2x GRR, 2x BDL, 6x HOU, 1x JAX, 7x MCI, 8x LAS, 5x LAX, 3x SDF, 2x MEM, 6x MSP, 7x BNA, 3x MSY, 8x LGA, 1x ORF, 2x OAK, 4x OMA, 1x ONT, 8x MCO, 5x PHL, 7x PHX, 4x PIT, 1x PDX, 1x PVD, 3x RDU, 1x SMF, 2x SLC, 2x SAT, 3x SAN, 1x SFO, 1x SJC, 1x SEA, 7x STL, 5x TPA, 1x TUS, 6x DCA

MDW-BUR nonstop service suspended starting on 1/5/2021 and scheduled to resume on 3/11/2021
MDW-MHT nonstop service suspended starting on 1/5/2021 and scheduled to resume on 2/11/2021
198 daily departures currently scheduled out of MDW on WN in January 2021
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:50 am

Here is the current breakdown of WN service changes at MDW in January 2021 from January 2020 (as of 8/21/2020):
MDW-AUS - 3x (+1)
MDW-BWI - 6x (+1)
MDW-BHM - 1x (-1)
MDW-BOS - 4x (+1)
MDW-BUR - 0x (-1)
MDW-CUN - 1x (+1)
MDW-DAL - 9x (+1)
MDW-DEN - 9x (+1)
MDW-RSW - 4x (+1)
MDW-GRR - 2x (-1)
MDW-LAS - 8x (+1)
MDW-MHT - 0x (-1)
MDW-BNA - 7x (+1)
MDW-LGA - 8x (+2)
MDW-OAK - 2x (+1)
MDW-OMA - 4x (+1)
MDW-MCO - 8x (+1)
MDW-PHL - 5x (+1)
MDW-PHX - 7x (+1)
MDW-PIT - 4x (-1)
MDW-SFO - 1x (-1)
MDW-SEA - 1x (-1)
MDW-TPA - 5x (+1)
MDW-TUS - 1x (+1)
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:05 am

FAA fining Ohare for safety violations in relation to incident last November

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-27/faa-proposes-1-57-million-penalty-on-chicago-for-unsafe-runway
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:57 am

sircygnus wrote:
FAA fining Ohare for safety violations in relation to incident last November

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-27/faa-proposes-1-57-million-penalty-on-chicago-for-unsafe-runway

Got bunch of pics from that incident. It was snowy day...
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:28 pm

I wonder what made the FAA come to that conclusion.
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:58 pm

June Air Traffice Data posted. It's looking worse on YTD basis since the summer pax #s never materialized this year.

https://www.flychicago.com/SiteCollecti ... ummary.pdf

https://www.flychicago.com/SiteCollecti ... ummary.pdf
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:00 pm

jplatts wrote:
Here is the current breakdown of WN service changes at MDW in January 2021 from January 2020 (as of 8/21/2020):
MDW-AUS - 3x (+1)
MDW-BWI - 6x (+1)
MDW-BHM - 1x (-1)
MDW-BOS - 4x (+1)
MDW-BUR - 0x (-1)
MDW-CUN - 1x (+1)
MDW-DAL - 9x (+1)
MDW-DEN - 9x (+1)
MDW-RSW - 4x (+1)
MDW-GRR - 2x (-1)
MDW-LAS - 8x (+1)
MDW-MHT - 0x (-1)
MDW-BNA - 7x (+1)
MDW-LGA - 8x (+2)
MDW-OAK - 2x (+1)
MDW-OMA - 4x (+1)
MDW-MCO - 8x (+1)
MDW-PHL - 5x (+1)
MDW-PHX - 7x (+1)
MDW-PIT - 4x (-1)
MDW-SFO - 1x (-1)
MDW-SEA - 1x (-1)
MDW-TPA - 5x (+1)
MDW-TUS - 1x (+1)


Thanks for that breakdown platts. Pretty interesting to see most of those routes seeing additions and only a couple cancellations.

I hope Q1 brings sunnier skies.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:46 am

tendy04 wrote:
New NFDD update out today with the 10 SEP diagram update. Nothing too massive, outline of the 9R extension beginning to take hold, some revised geometry at K, SS and T, with K3 and A9 now connecting across the SS/T median. Starting to see the first new construction outline north of N where SS had been chopped on the previous update. Only thing that somewhat surprised me was seeing the YY stub going from NW to SE and terminating on D still there, thought they were getting rid of that. In the last few photos Paschen posted it didn't look like there was gate infrastructure there to limit AC movement into the hanger area, although I suppose that could still be done.

Image

Per OIS, FlightCheck had been out in C90 over the past few weeks (and should continue to do so). The STAR's just got updated today in the IFP gateway, so it looks like no major showstoppers for any of those.

Going by past trend the construction update on the NFDC page should reflect the updated changes on 10 September.

FLC77 (N77) just doing an inspection for about an hour as of now (10:30pm) of new runway ILS and also some calibration of 22R localizer and glideslope. Can see it from my windows once over RIDGE reporting point doing a right bank for 4th time.
https://www.flightradar24.com/FLC77/25623cc8
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:14 pm

Today, United announced two new long haul routes from O’Hare: Delhi, India and Kona, Hawaii. These two new additions join previously announced routes to Zürich and Tel Aviv and the resumption of Hong Kong.

For context, United’s last new long haul wide body route from Chicago was Brussels in 2010. This is certainly a great day for Chicago aviation, especially during this year. Seems like UA is becoming more proactive with respect to competition.
 
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Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:18 pm

ORDFlyer99 wrote:
Today, United announced two new long haul routes from O’Hare: Delhi, India and Kona, Hawaii. These two new additions join previously announced routes to Zürich and Tel Aviv and the resumption of Hong Kong.

For context, United’s last new long haul wide body route from Chicago was Brussels in 2010. This is certainly a great day for Chicago aviation, especially during this year. Seems like UA is becoming more proactive with respect to competition.


Couldn't agree more! Just read the official press release and I'm feeling encouraged. Definitely some rays of light popping up.

I'm curious what's going on with Air India though. What's their schedule look like and is there going to be enough demand to justify two operators on this route?

https://hub.united.com/2020-09-09-unite ... 35777.html

On a personal note, I'm taking my first flight since February next week to DC. It's a board meeting and we decided that Zoom would not be sufficient and this was important enough to make it in-person.

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